Re: How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

[Guest guest]

Sue T

FOr what it's worth, I do best above 5,000 feet. Breathe better, can move

easier, brain works better.

As soon as I can manage it, I shall move to a higher elevation in a location

with low humidity and a daylength of about 13 hours.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

I really want to make the best choice out of two bad situations.

Any comments or thoughts?

Thanks,

Sue T

[Guest guest]

" Sue T " <morabshadow@...> wrote:

> I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an

issue?

> Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to

sea level?

> Sue T

When I was in the ampligen screeing program, I was considering moving

down to Reno because I simply couldn't get enough oxygen up in Incline.

Within six months of bailing out of the program and resorting to

extreme mycotoxin avoidance, I was comfortable at 14,500 ft with

absolutely no altitude sickness as I showed when I climbed Mt Whitney

as a demonstration to Dr that this damned mold really WAS

having one Hell of an effect on me as I had been saying upon the very

day of the creation of " Chronic Fatigue Syndrome " .

-

[Guest guest]

Sue T:

Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I vacationed at

less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it was, down from here,

nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

Adrienne

How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

Hi Rich and All,

I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

level?

Thank you and Best Wishes,

Sue T

[Guest guest]

Hi Adrienne and all,

Thanks for your input. . . I am being pressured to move to a higher

elevation.

The good news is that the new location has air quality is better than where I

am now. I figure if there is less oxygen the body will have a more difficult

time dealing with any amount of toxins. So even if the pollution is better the

body would be more stressed because of the lower oxgen available to deal with

the pollution, right?

The problem is that I live 3 miles from refineries now at sea level and need

to get away, but this higher alititude is the only other place I can afford to

move to that has somewhat better air.

I really want to make the best choice out of two bad situations.

Any comments or thoughts?

Thanks,

Sue T

" Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote:

Sue T:

Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I vacationed at

less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it was, down from here,

nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

Adrienne

How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

Hi Rich and All,

I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

level?

Thank you and Best Wishes,

Sue T

[Guest guest]

Sue,

If you do move to a higher elevation and are worried about it why don't you

get an oxygen tank or if you can afford it a hyperbaric chamber that will force

oxygen into your cells. 15 or20 minutes a day ought to do it for you. The

expense is well worth it.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Hi Adrienne and all,

Thanks for your input. . . I am being pressured to move to a higher elevation.

The good news is that the new location has air quality is better than where I am

now. I figure if there is less oxygen the body will have a more difficult time

dealing with any amount of toxins. So even if the pollution is better the body

would be more stressed because of the lower oxgen available to deal with the

pollution, right?

The problem is that I live 3 miles from refineries now at sea level and need to

get away, but this higher alititude is the only other place I can afford to move

to that has somewhat better air.

I really want to make the best choice out of two bad situations.

Any comments or thoughts?

Thanks,

Sue T

" Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote:

Sue T:

Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I vacationed at

less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it was, down from here,

nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

Adrienne

How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

Hi Rich and All,

I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

level?

Thank you and Best Wishes,

Sue T

[Guest guest]

Hi Edy,

That is a great idea . . . I did not really you could compensate for high

altitude that way.

Is that somethng you are doing?

Thank you, Sue T

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Sue,

If you do move to a higher elevation and are worried about it why don't you get

an oxygen tank or if you can afford it a hyperbaric chamber that will force

oxygen into your cells. 15 or20 minutes a day ought to do it for you. The

expense is well worth it.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Hi Adrienne and all,

Thanks for your input. . . I am being pressured to move to a higher elevation.

The good news is that the new location has air quality is better than where I am

now. I figure if there is less oxygen the body will have a more difficult time

dealing with any amount of toxins. So even if the pollution is better the body

would be more stressed because of the lower oxgen available to deal with the

pollution, right?

The problem is that I live 3 miles from refineries now at sea level and need to

get away, but this higher alititude is the only other place I can afford to move

to that has somewhat better air.

I really want to make the best choice out of two bad situations.

Any comments or thoughts?

Thanks,

Sue T

" Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote:

Sue T:

Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I vacationed at

less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it was, down from here,

nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

Adrienne

How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

Hi Rich and All,

I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

level?

Thank you and Best Wishes,

Sue T

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sue.

I know Dr Cheney has been quoted as saying that PWCs would be better off at sea

level or lower. This would increase CO2, which has been shown to be low in PWCs

and according to Rich this happnes because on low output of it from glutathione

depleted skeletal muscles.

I think Dr Cheney even specifically recommended a desert area here in California

that would be ideal for PWCs to reside. He's recommended breathing exercises to

produce this same effect.

High altitudes seem would force the gland for it at the top of your adrenals to

produce more EPO to support increase production of red blood cells and new

capillaries. I'm by no means an expert, but I'm not sure moving to higher

elevations is good when you're attempting to heal from something that stresses

the adrenals already.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

> From: Sue T

>

> Subject: How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

>

> Hi Rich and All,

>

> I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

>

> Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

> level?

>

> Thank you and Best Wishes,

> Sue T

[Guest guest]

On Aug 24, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Edy Rayfield wrote:

> Sue,

>

> If you do move to a higher elevation and are worried about it why

> don't you get an oxygen tank or if you can afford it a hyperbaric

> chamber that will force oxygen into your cells. 15 or20 minutes a

> day ought to do it for you. The expense is well worth it.

>

> Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

> Hi Adrienne and all,

>

> Thanks for your input. . . I am being pressured to move to a higher

> elevation.

>

> The good news is that the new location has air quality is better

> than where I am now. I figure if there is less oxygen the body will

> have a more difficult time dealing with any amount of toxins. So

> even if the pollution is better the body would be more stressed

> because of the lower oxgen available to deal with the pollution,

> right?

>

> The problem is that I live 3 miles from refineries now at sea level

> and need to get away, but this higher alititude is the only other

> place I can afford to move to that has somewhat better air.

I grew up at 5-6K altitudes -- high and dry -- and still feel better

there. The altitude huffing-and-puffing does bother me for a while --

much longer than it used to -- but I do adjust in time, and then I

feel very good indeed.

Most healthy people who live at sea level don't seem to really feel

altitude until about 7K+. That's still where it hits me. I need to

acclimate at least a couple nights at this altitude before the fog

clears. I didn't used to -- but I guess that's how I know I'm older,

and sicker.

More to your point: the body does adjust in time to higher altitudes,

breathing more efficiently and squeezing more 02 out of each breath.

I've heard tell that the blood actually thins a bit to help this

happen, which is why aspirin is a popular altitude sickness remedy.

So, once you get settled, you'll still oxygenate just like you do now

-- and it seems possible that you'll be exposed to fewer envirotoxins

to begin with. It could work out quite nicely.

Also, you're talking about pretty middling altitudes -- you're not

proposing to go live at the peak of Mt. Whitney.

Would it be possible to go spend a week or two in your new location

and see how you do before committing?

Sara

[Guest guest]

Sue, it seems that some folks get worse at a higher elevation because

of the lower oxygen and pressure, and some folks feel better because

there is usually less humidity and pollution.

I personally, adore the high desert but get worse there. I'm not sure

if over time, I would adjust. If I were in your position I'd buy IQAir

or Austin Air Filters for my home, make sure my water was well

filtered, and probably stay at sea level, but that's me, I live in a

very polluted city (NY)

> Sue T:

> Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I

vacationed at less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it

was, down from here, nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

> Adrienne

>

> How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

>

> Hi Rich and All,

>

> I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

>

> Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

> level?

>

> Thank you and Best Wishes,

> Sue T

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sara

Were you taking SAM-e's cofactors, too? B6, B12, folic acid and TMG?

Also, how do you do with l-Tryptophan?

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel absolutely

terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

WICKED. It's just toxic.

I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay with it.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara and others,

First of all, . . . . I am worried Sara that you are having such a

hard

time with the depression . . . I 've been there. I have found that

SAMe has really helped and following the Yasko program.

I truly hope you can find relief soon.

I think you have made a great point about spending a week or two in

the high elevation . . . thanks.

I am glad to hear others have done well in the higher elevations,

too.But I can see not everyone does well . . .Hmmm

Best wishes,

Sue T

> Would it be possible to go spend a week or two in your new

location

> and see how you do before committing?

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

OK . . . Janet,

Let me know when you want to take a vacation there . . I will meet

you!! You never know . .

Sue T

> > Sue T:

> > Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I

> vacationed at less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it

> was, down from here, nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

> > Adrienne

> >

> > How crucial is low elevation for

CFSers?

> >

> > Hi Rich and All,

> >

> > I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> > availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an

issue?

> >

> > Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared

to sea

> > level?

> >

> > Thank you and Best Wishes,

> > Sue T

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I'm not sure you can. It was just an intuitive thought. I know I feel awful

at higher altitudes, never understood why. But I think you can easily find out

if this would be helpful. I'm a sea level. Literally. I can see the ocean

from my street.

Edy

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Hi Edy,

That is a great idea . . . I did not really you could compensate for high

altitude that way.

Is that somethng you are doing?

Thank you, Sue T

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Sue,

If you do move to a higher elevation and are worried about it why don't you get

an oxygen tank or if you can afford it a hyperbaric chamber that will force

oxygen into your cells. 15 or20 minutes a day ought to do it for you. The

expense is well worth it.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Hi Adrienne and all,

Thanks for your input. . . I am being pressured to move to a higher elevation.

The good news is that the new location has air quality is better than where I am

now. I figure if there is less oxygen the body will have a more difficult time

dealing with any amount of toxins. So even if the pollution is better the body

would be more stressed because of the lower oxgen available to deal with the

pollution, right?

The problem is that I live 3 miles from refineries now at sea level and need to

get away, but this higher alititude is the only other place I can afford to move

to that has somewhat better air.

I really want to make the best choice out of two bad situations.

Any comments or thoughts?

Thanks,

Sue T

" Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote:

Sue T:

Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I vacationed at

less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it was, down from here,

nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

Adrienne

How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

Hi Rich and All,

I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

level?

Thank you and Best Wishes,

Sue T

[Guest guest]

Oh and it hasn't made a whit of difference!!!!

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote: Hi Edy,

That is a great idea . . . I did not really you could compensate for high

altitude that way.

Is that somethng you are doing?

Thank you, Sue T

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Sue,

If you do move to a higher elevation and are worried about it why don't you get

an oxygen tank or if you can afford it a hyperbaric chamber that will force

oxygen into your cells. 15 or20 minutes a day ought to do it for you. The

expense is well worth it.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Hi Adrienne and all,

Thanks for your input. . . I am being pressured to move to a higher elevation.

The good news is that the new location has air quality is better than where I am

now. I figure if there is less oxygen the body will have a more difficult time

dealing with any amount of toxins. So even if the pollution is better the body

would be more stressed because of the lower oxgen available to deal with the

pollution, right?

The problem is that I live 3 miles from refineries now at sea level and need to

get away, but this higher alititude is the only other place I can afford to move

to that has somewhat better air.

I really want to make the best choice out of two bad situations.

Any comments or thoughts?

Thanks,

Sue T

" Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote:

Sue T:

Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I vacationed at

less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it was, down from here,

nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

Adrienne

How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

Hi Rich and All,

I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

level?

Thank you and Best Wishes,

Sue T

[Guest guest]

HI Sara,

I am considering moving to Nevada(if no mold). I am about 7 miles

North of Walnut Creek, CA now.

Dr. Yasko suggested I use SAMe. I could not take it before her

program. . . I would crash like you and it would make me hyper.

But after doing her program a few months and addressing other issues

regarding genetics, etc . . first I do fine with it now. It is

great. It

took me 4 months to increase my dose to a total of 200mg per day. I

started with 100 mg in am, then added another 50mg in afternnon,

then 50mg before bed. It helps me sleep better now. I believe i

converts Seratonin to Melatonin

I do not need to take 5HTP any longer.

You will get there! Just don't be in a hurry . . I am excited that

you are getting your results soon.

My best, Sue T

> Sue -- if I may ask, where are you considering moving to? (My mom

> used to live in Orinda and Walnut Creek, and found it toxic in

more

> ways that one. But that's another story.)

>

> Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

> metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel

absolutely

> terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

> WICKED. It's just toxic.

>

> I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

> think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay

with it.

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

WOW!!! Lucky you . . . is that in California??

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Hi Sue,

I'm not sure you can. It was just an intuitive thought. I know I feel awful at

higher altitudes, never understood why. But I think you can easily find out if

this would be helpful. I'm a sea level. Literally. I can see the ocean from my

street.

Edy

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Hi Edy,

That is a great idea . . . I did not really you could compensate for high

altitude that way.

Is that somethng you are doing?

Thank you, Sue T

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Sue,

If you do move to a higher elevation and are worried about it why don't you get

an oxygen tank or if you can afford it a hyperbaric chamber that will force

oxygen into your cells. 15 or20 minutes a day ought to do it for you. The

expense is well worth it.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Hi Adrienne and all,

Thanks for your input. . . I am being pressured to move to a higher elevation.

The good news is that the new location has air quality is better than where I am

now. I figure if there is less oxygen the body will have a more difficult time

dealing with any amount of toxins. So even if the pollution is better the body

would be more stressed because of the lower oxgen available to deal with the

pollution, right?

The problem is that I live 3 miles from refineries now at sea level and need to

get away, but this higher alititude is the only other place I can afford to move

to that has somewhat better air.

I really want to make the best choice out of two bad situations.

Any comments or thoughts?

Thanks,

Sue T

" Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote:

Sue T:

Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I vacationed at

less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it was, down from here,

nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

Adrienne

How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

Hi Rich and All,

I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

level?

Thank you and Best Wishes,

Sue T

[Guest guest]

Sue, this may sound silly, but I found that a dehumidifer has made a

big difference in my apartment. I got the dehumidifier because of a

major leak that went through 8 floors, across the hall from me, and my

wall passively absorbed it all and began to stain and get a few

curdles. I actually advocated with management tog et everybody else

dehumidifiers too. Anyway, now I run the dehumidifier 24/7 and it

fills up (65 pints) almost every day, sometimes twice a day as NY is

humid. I keep it only in the livingroom, I also have an IQ Air Filter

int he livingroom (that's a good high end air filter). Anyway, pulling

that much moisture from the air (and it has a digital readout of

humidity in the air) lowers the relative humidity so that its likely I

have far fewer mold spores in my home. And I've noticed an improvement

in certain symptoms that I had thought were mold related.

>

> HI Sara,

>

> I am considering moving to Nevada(if no mold). I am about 7 miles

> North of Walnut Creek, CA now.

>

> Dr. Yasko suggested I use SAMe. I could not take it before her

> program. . . I would crash like you and it would make me hyper.

>

> But after doing her program a few months and addressing other issues

> regarding genetics, etc . . first I do fine with it now. It is

> great. It

> took me 4 months to increase my dose to a total of 200mg per day. I

> started with 100 mg in am, then added another 50mg in afternnon,

> then 50mg before bed. It helps me sleep better now. I believe i

> converts Seratonin to Melatonin

> I do not need to take 5HTP any longer.

>

> You will get there! Just don't be in a hurry . . I am excited that

> you are getting your results soon.

>

> My best, Sue T

>

> > Sue -- if I may ask, where are you considering moving to? (My mom

> > used to live in Orinda and Walnut Creek, and found it toxic in

> more

> > ways that one. But that's another story.)

> >

> > Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

> > metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel

> absolutely

> > terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

> > WICKED. It's just toxic.

> >

> > I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

> > think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay

> with it.

> >

> > Sara

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. I live about ten miles north of Santa Cruz. It's a bit rugged, windy,

foggy, cool but the town is only about 4 square blocks, pop. under 300.

Urbaness is catching up with us tho. If you drive north the next town isn't for

45 minutes or so. The view is beautiful. On a clear good day you can see the

entire Monterey Bay. I've lived here for over 30 years.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

WOW!!! Lucky you . . . is that in California??

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Hi Sue,

I'm not sure you can. It was just an intuitive thought. I know I feel awful at

higher altitudes, never understood why. But I think you can easily find out if

this would be helpful. I'm a sea level. Literally. I can see the ocean from my

street.

Edy

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Hi Edy,

That is a great idea . . . I did not really you could compensate for high

altitude that way.

Is that somethng you are doing?

Thank you, Sue T

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Sue,

If you do move to a higher elevation and are worried about it why don't you get

an oxygen tank or if you can afford it a hyperbaric chamber that will force

oxygen into your cells. 15 or20 minutes a day ought to do it for you. The

expense is well worth it.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Hi Adrienne and all,

Thanks for your input. . . I am being pressured to move to a higher elevation.

The good news is that the new location has air quality is better than where I am

now. I figure if there is less oxygen the body will have a more difficult time

dealing with any amount of toxins. So even if the pollution is better the body

would be more stressed because of the lower oxgen available to deal with the

pollution, right?

The problem is that I live 3 miles from refineries now at sea level and need to

get away, but this higher alititude is the only other place I can afford to move

to that has somewhat better air.

I really want to make the best choice out of two bad situations.

Any comments or thoughts?

Thanks,

Sue T

" Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote:

Sue T:

Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I vacationed at

less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it was, down from here,

nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

Adrienne

How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

Hi Rich and All,

I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

level?

Thank you and Best Wishes,

Sue T

[Guest guest]

On Aug 24, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Edy Rayfield wrote:

> Yes. I live about ten miles north of Santa Cruz. It's a bit

> rugged, windy, foggy, cool but the town is only about 4 square

> blocks, pop. under 300. Urbaness is catching up with us tho. If

> you drive north the next town isn't for 45 minutes or so. The view

> is beautiful. On a clear good day you can see the entire Monterey

> Bay. I've lived here for over 30 years.

Davenport. California. Original home of Odwalla (not anymore), and

some legendary glassworks studios. Also has a killer Mexican

restaurant, and a really fun B & B with great organic breakfasts. And

just outside of town are the best organic strawberry farms anywhere.

The next major town north is Half Moon Bay, California, which was my

hometown for 18 years -- half of which were also spent in a house

just across the highway from the ocean.

Sara

[Guest guest]

How nice . . . I used to live in Aptos 27 years ago. Wish I still did. The coast

has great air except for the pesticides from all the farming. It is hard to get

away from all pollution.

Sue T

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Yes. I live about ten miles north of Santa Cruz. It's a bit rugged,

windy, foggy, cool but the town is only about 4 square blocks, pop. under 300.

Urbaness is catching up with us tho. If you drive north the next town isn't for

45 minutes or so. The view is beautiful. On a clear good day you can see the

entire Monterey Bay. I've lived here for over 30 years.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

WOW!!! Lucky you . . . is that in California??

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Hi Sue,

I'm not sure you can. It was just an intuitive thought. I know I feel awful at

higher altitudes, never understood why. But I think you can easily find out if

this would be helpful. I'm a sea level. Literally. I can see the ocean from my

street.

Edy

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Hi Edy,

That is a great idea . . . I did not really you could compensate for high

altitude that way.

Is that somethng you are doing?

Thank you, Sue T

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

Sue,

If you do move to a higher elevation and are worried about it why don't you get

an oxygen tank or if you can afford it a hyperbaric chamber that will force

oxygen into your cells. 15 or20 minutes a day ought to do it for you. The

expense is well worth it.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Hi Adrienne and all,

Thanks for your input. . . I am being pressured to move to a higher elevation.

The good news is that the new location has air quality is better than where I am

now. I figure if there is less oxygen the body will have a more difficult time

dealing with any amount of toxins. So even if the pollution is better the body

would be more stressed because of the lower oxgen available to deal with the

pollution, right?

The problem is that I live 3 miles from refineries now at sea level and need to

get away, but this higher alititude is the only other place I can afford to move

to that has somewhat better air.

I really want to make the best choice out of two bad situations.

Any comments or thoughts?

Thanks,

Sue T

" Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote:

Sue T:

Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I vacationed at

less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it was, down from here,

nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

Adrienne

How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

Hi Rich and All,

I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

level?

Thank you and Best Wishes,

Sue T

[Guest guest]

Sara,

I spent most my high school years hanging out at the beaches in Half Moon Bay.

That would be one of my choices to move to, but too EXPENSIVE, now.

Small world, Huh??

Sue T

Mercuria <mercuria@...> wrote:

On Aug 24, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Edy Rayfield wrote:

> Yes. I live about ten miles north of Santa Cruz. It's a bit

> rugged, windy, foggy, cool but the town is only about 4 square

> blocks, pop. under 300. Urbaness is catching up with us tho. If

> you drive north the next town isn't for 45 minutes or so. The view

> is beautiful. On a clear good day you can see the entire Monterey

> Bay. I've lived here for over 30 years.

Davenport. California. Original home of Odwalla (not anymore), and

some legendary glassworks studios. Also has a killer Mexican

restaurant, and a really fun B & B with great organic breakfasts. And

just outside of town are the best organic strawberry farms anywhere.

The next major town north is Half Moon Bay, California, which was my

hometown for 18 years -- half of which were also spent in a house

just across the highway from the ocean.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Yes, I think with all the demolition, renovation, and multiple

countless leaks (I've had five in a mere year) that our whole building

is damp throughout. Today when the super and manager came up to view

my wall (it took a few months to thoroughly dry out--at first I was

dumping the dehumidifier every 3 hours!), which has been replastered

and repainted with bioshield paint (for chemically sensitive people, I

always keep a gallon around)...anyway the super said I may need the

dehumidifer back. And I said, I'm not giving it back. It still pulls

65 pints out a day!

> >

> > HI Sara,

> >

> > I am considering moving to Nevada(if no mold). I am about 7 miles

> > North of Walnut Creek, CA now.

> >

> > Dr. Yasko suggested I use SAMe. I could not take it before her

> > program. . . I would crash like you and it would make me hyper.

> >

> > But after doing her program a few months and addressing other issues

> > regarding genetics, etc . . first I do fine with it now. It is

> > great. It

> > took me 4 months to increase my dose to a total of 200mg per day. I

> > started with 100 mg in am, then added another 50mg in afternnon,

> > then 50mg before bed. It helps me sleep better now. I believe i

> > converts Seratonin to Melatonin

> > I do not need to take 5HTP any longer.

> >

> > You will get there! Just don't be in a hurry . . I am excited that

> > you are getting your results soon.

> >

> > My best, Sue T

> >

> > > Sue -- if I may ask, where are you considering moving to? (My mom

> > > used to live in Orinda and Walnut Creek, and found it toxic in

> > more

> > > ways that one. But that's another story.)

> > >

> > > Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

> > > metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel

> > absolutely

> > > terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

> > > WICKED. It's just toxic.

> > >

> > > I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

> > > think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay

> > with it.

> > >

> > > Sara

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sue, make sure to get the kind that has a digital readout, and that

you can set at a low of 35% moisture. It won't always go DOWN to 35%,

but if it keeps the room's humidity below 50%, that greatly inhibits

mold. I've been impressed at how it has helped some of my mold symptoms.

> >

> > HI Sara,

> >

> > I am considering moving to Nevada(if no mold). I am about 7 miles

> > North of Walnut Creek, CA now.

> >

> > Dr. Yasko suggested I use SAMe. I could not take it before her

> > program. . . I would crash like you and it would make me hyper.

> >

> > But after doing her program a few months and addressing other issues

> > regarding genetics, etc . . first I do fine with it now. It is

> > great. It

> > took me 4 months to increase my dose to a total of 200mg per day. I

> > started with 100 mg in am, then added another 50mg in afternnon,

> > then 50mg before bed. It helps me sleep better now. I believe i

> > converts Seratonin to Melatonin

> > I do not need to take 5HTP any longer.

> >

> > You will get there! Just don't be in a hurry . . I am excited that

> > you are getting your results soon.

> >

> > My best, Sue T

> >

> > > Sue -- if I may ask, where are you considering moving to? (My mom

> > > used to live in Orinda and Walnut Creek, and found it toxic in

> > more

> > > ways that one. But that's another story.)

> > >

> > > Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

> > > metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel

> > absolutely

> > > terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

> > > WICKED. It's just toxic.

> > >

> > > I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

> > > think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay

> > with it.

> > >

> > > Sara

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I hate trytophan too. It puts me to sleep and I wake up in a very

irritable mood (I only tried it twice).

Seems obvious it's degrading to kynurenic acid in me, and obviously

that's because of chronic infection.

But b3--I've become addicted to it! I take very few supplements. For a

few years I've taken two capsules of echinacea purpurea root (only

root) from Eclectic Institute (freeze dried). I was interested

recently to read that besides boosting immunity, the root inhibits

strep! I also take two cranberry capsules from Eclectic, why, I can't

tell you, but something in me says to take them. And one digestive enzyme.

Sometimes I take vitamin C, and I always take probiotics, tho I vary them.

Niacin (b3) is the first supplement I've added in ages.

It spares your trytophan, which will break down to make niacin. It's

also mildly antibacterial. It improves mood. And other good

properties. I use Allergy Research Group capsules. I can't take a

whole one or I get a niacin flush.

>

> > Were you taking SAM-e's cofactors, too? B6, B12, folic acid and TMG?

> >

> > Also, how do you do with l-Tryptophan?

>

> I did all this last spring, with Rich (and this list) standing by.

> I'd spent about seven weeks working up to SAMe, doing all the other

> stuff in order -- and doing fine.

>

> Then I added SAMe -- and crashed big anyway.

>

> In fact, I think I may have been the reason Rich decided that simply

> opening up the methylation channels wasn't going to be as easy as

> he'd originally thought. After that, he realized that genetic testing

> was probably an important first step for everybody.

>

> I really truly hate tryptophan -- I even avoid it in foods.

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

Well, Sara,

You have obviously spent some time here. The restaraunt is going through a

lot of changes, the post office is still in the same place with the most killer

view a post office could have, too many tourists, and the weather same, same.

Mercuria <mercuria@...> wrote:

On Aug 24, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Edy Rayfield wrote:

> Yes. I live about ten miles north of Santa Cruz. It's a bit

> rugged, windy, foggy, cool but the town is only about 4 square

> blocks, pop. under 300. Urbaness is catching up with us tho. If

> you drive north the next town isn't for 45 minutes or so. The view

> is beautiful. On a clear good day you can see the entire Monterey

> Bay. I've lived here for over 30 years.

Davenport. California. Original home of Odwalla (not anymore), and

some legendary glassworks studios. Also has a killer Mexican

restaurant, and a really fun B & B with great organic breakfasts. And

just outside of town are the best organic strawberry farms anywhere.

The next major town north is Half Moon Bay, California, which was my

hometown for 18 years -- half of which were also spent in a house

just across the highway from the ocean.

Sara