Re: Re: How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

[Guest guest]

I can't go to higher elevations. It wipes me out. , I was wondering, I

think I asked this before, but I want to make absolutely sure, if I've done well

on the Contrast Eye test 2 times is there still a possibility that I should

contact Shoemaker? I had a mold panal done and am so incredibly high for

several molds my doc wants to put me on an antifungal. Do you have any more

advice? I see an allergist next week who I'm hoping to put in touch with

Shoemaker and get some more of those tests in his book.

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote: " Sue T "

<morabshadow@...> wrote:

> I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an

issue?

> Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to

sea level?

> Sue T

When I was in the ampligen screeing program, I was considering moving

down to Reno because I simply couldn't get enough oxygen up in Incline.

Within six months of bailing out of the program and resorting to

extreme mycotoxin avoidance, I was comfortable at 14,500 ft with

absolutely no altitude sickness as I showed when I climbed Mt Whitney

as a demonstration to Dr that this damned mold really WAS

having one Hell of an effect on me as I had been saying upon the very

day of the creation of " Chronic Fatigue Syndrome " .

-

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for your response. So are you saying that also long as you are not

exposed to mold and/or the micobes are either silenced or killed there should

be no problems?

Thanks,

Sue T

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

" Sue T " <morabshadow@...> wrote:

> I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an

issue?

> Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to

sea level?

> Sue T

When I was in the ampligen screeing program, I was considering moving

down to Reno because I simply couldn't get enough oxygen up in Incline.

Within six months of bailing out of the program and resorting to

extreme mycotoxin avoidance, I was comfortable at 14,500 ft with

absolutely no altitude sickness as I showed when I climbed Mt Whitney

as a demonstration to Dr that this damned mold really WAS

having one Hell of an effect on me as I had been saying upon the very

day of the creation of " Chronic Fatigue Syndrome " .

-

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jill,

It is just hard being in the house so much . . . but I am leaning toward the

idea of just staying put and just make sure my body just keeps detoxing. That is

one of the good things with the Yasko program I am following. At least I know I

am getting rid of toxins now instead of a few months ago where they were

building up.

It is really hard to find the best place to live where you can afford it.

Sue T

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

Sue, it seems that some folks get worse at a higher elevation because

of the lower oxygen and pressure, and some folks feel better because

there is usually less humidity and pollution.

I personally, adore the high desert but get worse there. I'm not sure

if over time, I would adjust. If I were in your position I'd buy IQAir

or Austin Air Filters for my home, make sure my water was well

filtered, and probably stay at sea level, but that's me, I live in a

very polluted city (NY)

> Sue T:

> Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I

vacationed at less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it

was, down from here, nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

> Adrienne

>

> How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

>

> Hi Rich and All,

>

> I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

>

> Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

> level?

>

> Thank you and Best Wishes,

> Sue T

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Putting more strain on the adrenals makes a lot of sense. Darn it . . . it is

just that this Contra Costa County I live in is considered one of the worse top

five in the nation for air polution.

Has anyone checked out www.scorecard.org

You can look up your county and find tons of info on toxins in your area.

I feel stuck at this point. I doing all this hard work on my body with Yasko

etc. and here I am living in this toxic mess.

Oh well . . . all I can do is the best I can.

Thanks to all!

Sue T

davidhall2020 <davidhall@...> wrote:

Hi, Sue.

I know Dr Cheney has been quoted as saying that PWCs would be better off at sea

level or lower. This would increase CO2, which has been shown to be low in PWCs

and according to Rich this happnes because on low output of it from glutathione

depleted skeletal muscles.

I think Dr Cheney even specifically recommended a desert area here in California

that would be ideal for PWCs to reside. He's recommended breathing exercises to

produce this same effect.

High altitudes seem would force the gland for it at the top of your adrenals to

produce more EPO to support increase production of red blood cells and new

capillaries. I'm by no means an expert, but I'm not sure moving to higher

elevations is good when you're attempting to heal from something that stresses

the adrenals already.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

> From: Sue T

>

> Subject: How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

>

> Hi Rich and All,

>

> I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

>

> Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

> level?

>

> Thank you and Best Wishes,

> Sue T

[Guest guest]

HI Sue,

I have looked at Sedona (renting of course) and also Albuquerque. Both are

about 5,000 ft up. Everytime I go for vacation there, I feel better!!!

So maybe its not a bad thing???

Wishing your always the best,

Janet

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Thanks Jill,

It is just hard being in the house so much . . . but I am leaning toward the

idea of just staying put and just make sure my body just keeps detoxing. That is

one of the good things with the Yasko program I am following. At least I know I

am getting rid of toxins now instead of a few months ago where they were

building up.

It is really hard to find the best place to live where you can afford it.

Sue T

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

Sue, it seems that some folks get worse at a higher elevation because

of the lower oxygen and pressure, and some folks feel better because

there is usually less humidity and pollution.

I personally, adore the high desert but get worse there. I'm not sure

if over time, I would adjust. If I were in your position I'd buy IQAir

or Austin Air Filters for my home, make sure my water was well

filtered, and probably stay at sea level, but that's me, I live in a

very polluted city (NY)

> Sue T:

> Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I

vacationed at less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it

was, down from here, nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

> Adrienne

>

> How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

>

> Hi Rich and All,

>

> I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

>

> Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

> level?

>

> Thank you and Best Wishes,

> Sue T

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Aug 24, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Sue T wrote:

> Putting more strain on the adrenals makes a lot of sense. Darn

> it . . . it is just that this Contra Costa County I live in is

> considered one of the worse top five in the nation for air polution.

>

> Has anyone checked out www.scorecard.org

> You can look up your county and find tons of info on toxins in

> your area.

>

> I feel stuck at this point. I doing all this hard work on my body

> with Yasko etc. and here I am living in this toxic mess.

>

> Oh well . . . all I can do is the best I can.

Sue -- if I may ask, where are you considering moving to? (My mom

used to live in Orinda and Walnut Creek, and found it toxic in more

ways that one. But that's another story.)

Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel absolutely

terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

WICKED. It's just toxic.

I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay with it.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone. I have been looking at this issue, too for a long time.

Going over to higher altitudes put you in cleaner air (above pollution

levels). Finding a relatively mold free environment with interesting

people that is affordable is more difficult. I am a designer and could

create housing, anyone have any ideas about where? Joanee.

Sue T wrote:

>OK . . . Janet,

>Let me know when you want to take a vacation there . . I will meet

>you!! You never know . .

>

>Sue T

>

>

>

>>>Sue T:

>>>Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I

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>>vacationed at less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it

>>was, down from here, nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

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>>>Adrienne

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>>> How crucial is low elevation for

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>CFSers?

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>>>Hi Rich and All,

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>>>I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

>>>availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an

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[Guest guest]

Jill,

This is so NOT silly. Those dehumidifiers pull moisture right out of the

walls, not just the air. At some point you'll find you'll be pulling less and

less water. I've used them for years. They are totally amazing at drying out a

house. Your building itself is probably moist all the way through to the studs

and maybe even them.

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

Sue, this may sound silly, but I found that a dehumidifer has made a

big difference in my apartment. I got the dehumidifier because of a

major leak that went through 8 floors, across the hall from me, and my

wall passively absorbed it all and began to stain and get a few

curdles. I actually advocated with management tog et everybody else

dehumidifiers too. Anyway, now I run the dehumidifier 24/7 and it

fills up (65 pints) almost every day, sometimes twice a day as NY is

humid. I keep it only in the livingroom, I also have an IQ Air Filter

int he livingroom (that's a good high end air filter). Anyway, pulling

that much moisture from the air (and it has a digital readout of

humidity in the air) lowers the relative humidity so that its likely I

have far fewer mold spores in my home. And I've noticed an improvement

in certain symptoms that I had thought were mold related.

>

> HI Sara,

>

> I am considering moving to Nevada(if no mold). I am about 7 miles

> North of Walnut Creek, CA now.

>

> Dr. Yasko suggested I use SAMe. I could not take it before her

> program. . . I would crash like you and it would make me hyper.

>

> But after doing her program a few months and addressing other issues

> regarding genetics, etc . . first I do fine with it now. It is

> great. It

> took me 4 months to increase my dose to a total of 200mg per day. I

> started with 100 mg in am, then added another 50mg in afternnon,

> then 50mg before bed. It helps me sleep better now. I believe i

> converts Seratonin to Melatonin

> I do not need to take 5HTP any longer.

>

> You will get there! Just don't be in a hurry . . I am excited that

> you are getting your results soon.

>

> My best, Sue T

>

> > Sue -- if I may ask, where are you considering moving to? (My mom

> > used to live in Orinda and Walnut Creek, and found it toxic in

> more

> > ways that one. But that's another story.)

> >

> > Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

> > metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel

> absolutely

> > terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

> > WICKED. It's just toxic.

> >

> > I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

> > think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay

> with it.

> >

> > Sara

> >

>

[Guest guest]

HI Sue,

I will probably go next year. I don't know if your time frame is tighter than

that. I would think the elevation and how one did with it would depend upon

cardiac status. I would think that if you get away from the refinerys that would

help you.

Do you have some places in mind???

Janet

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

OK . . . Janet,

Let me know when you want to take a vacation there . . I will meet

you!! You never know . .

Sue T

> > Sue T:

> > Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I

> vacationed at less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it

> was, down from here, nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

> > Adrienne

> >

> > How crucial is low elevation for

CFSers?

> >

> > Hi Rich and All,

> >

> > I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> > availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an

issue?

> >

> > Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared

to sea

> > level?

> >

> > Thank you and Best Wishes,

> > Sue T

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

Sadona sounds good . . . we will chat more off line. Next year may be a a good

time. We could meet and have loads of fun . . cause we WILL be feeling great by

then, right? Who knows maybe we can get a group together to meet and share motel

costs!

Sue T

Janet s <jgstev716@...> wrote:

HI Sue,

I will probably go next year. I don't know if your time frame is tighter than

that. I would think the elevation and how one did with it would depend upon

cardiac status. I would think that if you get away from the refinerys that would

help you.

Do you have some places in mind???

Janet

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

OK . . . Janet,

Let me know when you want to take a vacation there . . I will meet

you!! You never know . .

Sue T

> > Sue T:

> > Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I

> vacationed at less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it

> was, down from here, nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

> > Adrienne

> >

> > How crucial is low elevation for

CFSers?

> >

> > Hi Rich and All,

> >

> > I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> > availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an

issue?

> >

> > Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared

to sea

> > level?

> >

> > Thank you and Best Wishes,

> > Sue T

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

No, Jill,

Not silly at all . . . I will give that a try for mold. I kow my son has huge

issues with it where he lives.

Thanks so much for sharing . . .Great Idea!

Sue T

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

Sue, this may sound silly, but I found that a dehumidifer has made a

big difference in my apartment. I got the dehumidifier because of a

major leak that went through 8 floors, across the hall from me, and my

wall passively absorbed it all and began to stain and get a few

curdles. I actually advocated with management tog et everybody else

dehumidifiers too. Anyway, now I run the dehumidifier 24/7 and it

fills up (65 pints) almost every day, sometimes twice a day as NY is

humid. I keep it only in the livingroom, I also have an IQ Air Filter

int he livingroom (that's a good high end air filter). Anyway, pulling

that much moisture from the air (and it has a digital readout of

humidity in the air) lowers the relative humidity so that its likely I

have far fewer mold spores in my home. And I've noticed an improvement

in certain symptoms that I had thought were mold related.

>

> HI Sara,

>

> I am considering moving to Nevada(if no mold). I am about 7 miles

> North of Walnut Creek, CA now.

>

> Dr. Yasko suggested I use SAMe. I could not take it before her

> program. . . I would crash like you and it would make me hyper.

>

> But after doing her program a few months and addressing other issues

> regarding genetics, etc . . first I do fine with it now. It is

> great. It

> took me 4 months to increase my dose to a total of 200mg per day. I

> started with 100 mg in am, then added another 50mg in afternnon,

> then 50mg before bed. It helps me sleep better now. I believe i

> converts Seratonin to Melatonin

> I do not need to take 5HTP any longer.

>

> You will get there! Just don't be in a hurry . . I am excited that

> you are getting your results soon.

>

> My best, Sue T

>

> > Sue -- if I may ask, where are you considering moving to? (My mom

> > used to live in Orinda and Walnut Creek, and found it toxic in

> more

> > ways that one. But that's another story.)

> >

> > Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

> > metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel

> absolutely

> > terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

> > WICKED. It's just toxic.

> >

> > I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

> > think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay

> with it.

> >

> > Sara

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On Aug 24, 2006, at 5:55 PM, foxhillers@... wrote:

> Were you taking SAM-e's cofactors, too? B6, B12, folic acid and TMG?

>

> Also, how do you do with l-Tryptophan?

I did all this last spring, with Rich (and this list) standing by.

I'd spent about seven weeks working up to SAMe, doing all the other

stuff in order -- and doing fine.

Then I added SAMe -- and crashed big anyway.

In fact, I think I may have been the reason Rich decided that simply

opening up the methylation channels wasn't going to be as easy as

he'd originally thought. After that, he realized that genetic testing

was probably an important first step for everybody.

I really truly hate tryptophan -- I even avoid it in foods.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Thanks again, Jill.

Sue T

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

Sue, make sure to get the kind that has a digital readout, and that

you can set at a low of 35% moisture. It won't always go DOWN to 35%,

but if it keeps the room's humidity below 50%, that greatly inhibits

mold. I've been impressed at how it has helped some of my mold symptoms.

> >

> > HI Sara,

> >

> > I am considering moving to Nevada(if no mold). I am about 7 miles

> > North of Walnut Creek, CA now.

> >

> > Dr. Yasko suggested I use SAMe. I could not take it before her

> > program. . . I would crash like you and it would make me hyper.

> >

> > But after doing her program a few months and addressing other issues

> > regarding genetics, etc . . first I do fine with it now. It is

> > great. It

> > took me 4 months to increase my dose to a total of 200mg per day. I

> > started with 100 mg in am, then added another 50mg in afternnon,

> > then 50mg before bed. It helps me sleep better now. I believe i

> > converts Seratonin to Melatonin

> > I do not need to take 5HTP any longer.

> >

> > You will get there! Just don't be in a hurry . . I am excited that

> > you are getting your results soon.

> >

> > My best, Sue T

> >

> > > Sue -- if I may ask, where are you considering moving to? (My mom

> > > used to live in Orinda and Walnut Creek, and found it toxic in

> > more

> > > ways that one. But that's another story.)

> > >

> > > Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

> > > metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel

> > absolutely

> > > terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

> > > WICKED. It's just toxic.

> > >

> > > I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

> > > think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay

> > with it.

> > >

> > > Sara

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Holy Guacamole! Dampness galore.

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote: Yes, I think with all the

demolition, renovation, and multiple

countless leaks (I've had five in a mere year) that our whole building

is damp throughout. Today when the super and manager came up to view

my wall (it took a few months to thoroughly dry out--at first I was

dumping the dehumidifier every 3 hours!), which has been replastered

and repainted with bioshield paint (for chemically sensitive people, I

always keep a gallon around)...anyway the super said I may need the

dehumidifer back. And I said, I'm not giving it back. It still pulls

65 pints out a day!

> >

> > HI Sara,

> >

> > I am considering moving to Nevada(if no mold). I am about 7 miles

> > North of Walnut Creek, CA now.

> >

> > Dr. Yasko suggested I use SAMe. I could not take it before her

> > program. . . I would crash like you and it would make me hyper.

> >

> > But after doing her program a few months and addressing other issues

> > regarding genetics, etc . . first I do fine with it now. It is

> > great. It

> > took me 4 months to increase my dose to a total of 200mg per day. I

> > started with 100 mg in am, then added another 50mg in afternnon,

> > then 50mg before bed. It helps me sleep better now. I believe i

> > converts Seratonin to Melatonin

> > I do not need to take 5HTP any longer.

> >

> > You will get there! Just don't be in a hurry . . I am excited that

> > you are getting your results soon.

> >

> > My best, Sue T

> >

> > > Sue -- if I may ask, where are you considering moving to? (My mom

> > > used to live in Orinda and Walnut Creek, and found it toxic in

> > more

> > > ways that one. But that's another story.)

> > >

> > > Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

> > > metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel

> > absolutely

> > > terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

> > > WICKED. It's just toxic.

> > >

> > > I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

> > > think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay

> > with it.

> > >

> > > Sara

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara,

How cool is scorecard.com. I just did a quick look at my area, where I use to

live and where I have been thinking of going. Looks like Albuquerque is pretty

clean! Vegas, pretty messy there. Thanks for the tip!

Janet

Mercuria <mercuria@...> wrote:

On Aug 24, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Sue T wrote:

> Putting more strain on the adrenals makes a lot of sense. Darn

> it . . . it is just that this Contra Costa County I live in is

> considered one of the worse top five in the nation for air polution.

>

> Has anyone checked out www.scorecard.org

> You can look up your county and find tons of info on toxins in

> your area.

>

> I feel stuck at this point. I doing all this hard work on my body

> with Yasko etc. and here I am living in this toxic mess.

>

> Oh well . . . all I can do is the best I can.

Sue -- if I may ask, where are you considering moving to? (My mom

used to live in Orinda and Walnut Creek, and found it toxic in more

ways that one. But that's another story.)

Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel absolutely

terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

WICKED. It's just toxic.

I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay with it.

Sara

[Guest guest]

,

Do you remember what desert area Cheney was talking about???

Thank you for your help,

Janet

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

Thanks ,

Putting more strain on the adrenals makes a lot of sense. Darn it . . . it is

just that this Contra Costa County I live in is considered one of the worse top

five in the nation for air polution.

Has anyone checked out www.scorecard.org

You can look up your county and find tons of info on toxins in your area.

I feel stuck at this point. I doing all this hard work on my body with Yasko

etc. and here I am living in this toxic mess.

Oh well . . . all I can do is the best I can.

Thanks to all!

Sue T

davidhall2020 <davidhall@...> wrote:

Hi, Sue.

I know Dr Cheney has been quoted as saying that PWCs would be better off at sea

level or lower. This would increase CO2, which has been shown to be low in PWCs

and according to Rich this happnes because on low output of it from glutathione

depleted skeletal muscles.

I think Dr Cheney even specifically recommended a desert area here in California

that would be ideal for PWCs to reside. He's recommended breathing exercises to

produce this same effect.

High altitudes seem would force the gland for it at the top of your adrenals to

produce more EPO to support increase production of red blood cells and new

capillaries. I'm by no means an expert, but I'm not sure moving to higher

elevations is good when you're attempting to heal from something that stresses

the adrenals already.

Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

> From: Sue T

>

> Subject: How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

>

> Hi Rich and All,

>

> I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an issue?

>

> Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to sea

> level?

>

> Thank you and Best Wishes,

> Sue T

[Guest guest]

Hey guys; I live in Santa Fe: come see me!

Adrienne

Or I'll meet you in Albaturkey.

How crucial is low elevation for

CFSers?

> >

> > Hi Rich and All,

> >

> > I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> > availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an

issue?

> >

> > Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared

to sea

> > level?

> >

> > Thank you and Best Wishes,

> > Sue T

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Santa Fe is in New Mexico.

Janet

foxhillers@... wrote:

Adrienne

What state and/or country is Santa Fe in?

mjh

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Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:20 am (PST)

Hey guys; I live in Santa Fe: come see me!

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

State of New Mexico. The wild west.

You folks back east are funny.

Re: How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

Adrienne

What state and/or country is Santa Fe in?

mjh

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Posted by: " Adrienne G. " _duckblossm@... _

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Re:%20How%20crucial%20is%20low%20elevation%20for%20CFSers?)

_duckduck_87501 _ (duckduck_87501)

Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:20 am (PST)

Hey guys; I live in Santa Fe: come see me!

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

On Aug 25, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Adrienne G. wrote:

> State of New Mexico. The wild west.

> You folks back east are funny.

As is proven anew each month on the back page of New Mexico Magazine,

which is titled " One of Our Fifty Is Missing. " It's full of funny

stories about New Mexicans who had to pay international shipping on

stuff they ordered, or convince Washington bureaurcrats that they

actually did live in the US --- stuff like that.

The fact that they've been able to fill this page, month in and month

out for probably twenty years now, is a sad commentary on the state

of Americans' knowledge of their own geography.

Adrienne: my brother has a house in Santa Fe, and my husband spent

his childhood summers there. It's sort of our collective family

hometown. I was down visiting in April, and will be there again at

Christmas.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Got it!!

Thanks, (sorry for mispelling your name) (:^))

Sue T

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

, Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

>

Hi ,

Thanks for your response. So are you saying that also long as you

are not exposed to mold and/or the micobes are either silenced or

killed there should be no problems?

> Thanks,

> Sue T

You know that visible effect that Truckee High school had upon you?

It didn't seem like much, did it?

But that is the effect of mold.

I learned to recognize and avoid that " effect " .

And that is what made the difference for me.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

I thought Lyme like high elevations(less oxygen) and Babesia likes low

elevation(high oxygen).Hmmm

I really must be confused.

Sue T

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

Oh my gosh I am so jealous.

I have a simple criterion for recovery, which someone asked me about

the other day. It's: I can go to Santa Fe for a few months, feel fine,

and hike on Tesuque trail or up at the trail behind St. 's

college. I will then celebrate with a hot tub at Ten Thousand Waves .

I haven't been in two years, the altitude really flares my symptoms, I

think it may be the babesia. I really miss the desert. I was thinking

maybe of going to southern New Mexico for a trip, or Arizona. I can

handle about 5000 feet, but when I get to 7000 or 7500, my symptoms flare.

>

> > State of New Mexico. The wild west.

> > You folks back east are funny.

>

> As is proven anew each month on the back page of New Mexico Magazine,

> which is titled " One of Our Fifty Is Missing. " It's full of funny

> stories about New Mexicans who had to pay international shipping on

> stuff they ordered, or convince Washington bureaurcrats that they

> actually did live in the US --- stuff like that.

>

> The fact that they've been able to fill this page, month in and month

> out for probably twenty years now, is a sad commentary on the state

> of Americans' knowledge of their own geography.

>

> Adrienne: my brother has a house in Santa Fe, and my husband spent

> his childhood summers there. It's sort of our collective family

> hometown. I was down visiting in April, and will be there again at

> Christmas.

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

That makes sense . . . Babesia is a tough one.

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote: I think the babesia, by

oxidizing the red blood cell and damaging the

blood vessels, makes it more difficult to be at altitude.

> >

> > > State of New Mexico. The wild west.

> > > You folks back east are funny.

> >

> > As is proven anew each month on the back page of New Mexico Magazine,

> > which is titled " One of Our Fifty Is Missing. " It's full of funny

> > stories about New Mexicans who had to pay international shipping on

> > stuff they ordered, or convince Washington bureaurcrats that they

> > actually did live in the US --- stuff like that.

> >

> > The fact that they've been able to fill this page, month in and month

> > out for probably twenty years now, is a sad commentary on the state

> > of Americans' knowledge of their own geography.

> >

> > Adrienne: my brother has a house in Santa Fe, and my husband spent

> > his childhood summers there. It's sort of our collective family

> > hometown. I was down visiting in April, and will be there again at

> > Christmas.

> >

> > Sara

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Aug 26, 2006, at 1:24 AM, jill1313 wrote:

> I have a simple criterion for recovery, which someone asked me about

> the other day. It's: I can go to Santa Fe for a few months, feel fine,

> and hike on Tesuque trail or up at the trail behind St. 's

> college. I will then celebrate with a hot tub at Ten Thousand

> Waves .

The springs at Jemez are more healing; but I'll take Ten Thousand

Waves in a pinch -- mainly because my brother's house is just up the

hill from it (it almost literally looks down into the tubs) -- close

enough to walk there.

The altitude is just on the edge of " I need to take this REAL easy, "

indeed.

Sara

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich,

Thanks for you great explaination . . . another post I copied for future

reference.

I am not out of breath at sea level and my breathing endurance when I walk or

exersice keeps improving. I just get a little whoozy when I stop maybe 3 days

out of the week.

I just notice that I sometimes become more achy and sensitive to my

environment when I am at high elevations for a short time. I have never stayed a

week or two during the past few years to see if I would adjust.

I guess that is what it would take . . a long vacation in the Sierras!!

Not so bad if I can " swing it " .

Thanks again! Glad your back with the group . . . we missed you.

Sue T

rvankonynen <richvank@...> wrote:

Hi, Sue.

At 5000 feet elevation, the oxygen pressure is about 88% of what it

is at sea level. For comparison, in an airliner flying at normal

travelling altitude, the oxygen pressure is equivalent to that at an

altitude of between 6,000 and 8,000 feet, which is between about 77

and 87% of what it is at sea level.

Normal, healthy people start to experience symptoms of lack of

oxygen if they are brought from sea level to an altitude of 10,000

feet in a short time. At that altitude, the oxygen pressure is

about 75% of that at sea level.

In a normal healthy person who goes to a higher altitude,

adjustments are automatically made to compensate for the lower

oxygen pressure. Initially, the rate and depth of breathing are

increased and the cardiac output rises. Over a somewhat longer

time, the level of 2,3 BPG in the red blood cells is raised. This

causes the hemoglobin to release oxygen more readily to the cells.

Over a longer time still, the total number of red blood cells is

increased, so that the blood has more oxygen-carrying capacity.

There are also changes in the lung's ablility to put oxygen into the

blood, as well as an increase in myoglogin in the red muscle cells

and an increase in the number of mitochondria. People are able to

live at an altitude of 18,000 feet in the Andes and the Himalayas.

I don't know how these various effects will be modified in PWCs. On

the one hand, PWCs don't use oxygen as rapidly as normal, healthy

people, because of mitochondrial dysfunction and a lower metabolic

rate. On the other hand, I think their ability to adapt would

probably not be as good. Some have low cardiac output.

I think that if a PWC already feels short of breath at sea level,

going to a higher altitude would not be a good idea for that

person. On the other hand, if this is not a problem at sea level,

then I think the next step would be to try raising the altitude

gradually and see what the response is.

Rich

> Hi Rich and All,

>

> I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an

issue?

>

> Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to

sea

> level?

>

> Thank you and Best Wishes,

> Sue T

>

>

>

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