Re: Mood, depression, was anesthesia, please help

August 12, 2006

It gives a kick to your adrenals.Adrenals need B5 to function. But I have no

idea on dosage. I also take it sometimes and I feel better.

bw

Nil

Mood, depression, was anesthesia, please help

> Helen (or anyone), have you ever tried pantothenic acid for lifting

> depression? The last time I was in a local health food store, the

> owner told me that she has a customer who buys this specifically for

> his son who suffers with depression (the description sounded like

> severe clinical depression). She said that he buys the 250 mg

> capsules and gives one several times per day and that works much

> better than 500 mg only once per day.

>

> I bought some and have been using it. It's just hard for me to tell

> if that's what's helping my mood or whether it's something else (as

> I've started many B vitamins all at the same time frame).

>

> Any thoughts on this?

>

> in Champaign IL

>

>>[...] last horrible depression [...]

>> Helen

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

August 12, 2006

My naturopath has just recommended it for me for adrenals. We will discuss

dosage on Tues.

Adrienne

Mood, depression, was anesthesia, please help

> Helen (or anyone), have you ever tried pantothenic acid for lifting

> depression? The last time I was in a local health food store, the

> owner told me that she has a customer who buys this specifically for

> his son who suffers with depression (the description sounded like

> severe clinical depression). She said that he buys the 250 mg

> capsules and gives one several times per day and that works much

> better than 500 mg only once per day.

>

> I bought some and have been using it. It's just hard for me to tell

> if that's what's helping my mood or whether it's something else (as

> I've started many B vitamins all at the same time frame).

>

> Any thoughts on this?

>

> in Champaign IL

>

>>[...] last horrible depression [...]

>> Helen

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

August 13, 2006

Thanks, . I got out my old Adrenal Energy from immunesupport and

started taking it last week, along with all of Cheney's stuff. It has

some pantothenic acid in it but not that much. I am taking a multi

from Cheney, Pure Encapsulations nutrient 950 and it has a good bit

of pantothenic acid in it, 6 capsules is 400, but I only take 4 a

day. He has me on a bunch of stuff. Problem is hereditary depression,

both parents, not good genes, plus being sick, stressed out and in

pain.

Helen

> >[...] last horrible depression [...]

> > Helen

>

August 13, 2006

So, it's appropriate to say...... You've Come A Long Way, Baby!

Good for you, your journey's been a tough one.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

But if I hadn't gotten desperate and realized I had no life at all

and no way to continue (implicit then " what's the point? " and " why go

on? " ) I never would have had the impetus to try what was easiest and

most available to me because it's so basic. I had nothing to lose.

I'd already lost more than 20 years. I couldn't conceive of another

20 like the ones I'd just withstood and quite possibly worse. That's

how you think, too, isn't it -- " withstood " not " enjoy your life. "

It was coincidence for me when I threw out grains first, and then

realized by feeling better in my guts that I really was allergic to

wheat, just like an allergy test 30 years ago said I was. Feeling

better reinforced that in my mind.

I threw out the grains for one reason only. I knew I had a systemic

fungal infection, leftover from the stupid doctor who decided my

missing thyroid activity was " all in my head " and so he left me to

languish for months. So I threw out the grains to work on the long-

standing systemic fungal infection. I added in the oil of oregano to

hopefully make some headway on the fungal stuff (remember no

insurance, no doctors).

The other stuff followed after. D3 and all the B vitamins. I had

nothing to lose and no strength or financial resources to do anything

else than what I did. Basics.

August 13, 2006

Helen, what I've been finding in the last six months or so is that I

inherited many things and most especially from my mother. It all

makes me wonder more what my grandmother on that side was like -- she

died when I was only five so I never really knew her.

But what I inherited that's most important to me is the basic

inability to absorb nutrients. I don't know if that's " bad genes " or

what, but it manifests in many different ways -- including

depression, inability to handle stress, and in my case at

least...pain and lots of it.

So I guess I think that we don't so much pass on the resultant

qualities and characteristics -- we pass on the tendencies to be one

way or the other, dependent on how we utilize nutrition. It's the

underlying problem that later results in those characteristics

(depression, stress, pain) that may be deteremined by the underlying

genetic makeup.

I think that " depression, stress, and pain " sounds, in large part,

like a problem with B vitamins. I know that they're helping me,

anyway. I couldn't have even gotten this toehold, I don't think,

however, unless I'd started vitamin D3 in big amounts and stuck with

it.

I don't absorb things that pass through my digestive tract. I have

to help it along. ...Remember, though, I'm not a doctor -- and I

don't even watch TV, so I sure don't " play one " there. I don't want

to seem like I'm telling you what to do and how to do it.

I hope you get to feeling better soon, Helen.

in Champaign IL

>

> Thanks, . I got out my old Adrenal Energy from immunesupport

and

> started taking it last week, along with all of Cheney's stuff. It

has

> some pantothenic acid in it but not that much. I am taking a multi

> from Cheney, Pure Encapsulations nutrient 950 and it has a good bit

> of pantothenic acid in it, 6 capsules is 400, but I only take 4 a

> day. He has me on a bunch of stuff. Problem is hereditary

depression,

> both parents, not good genes, plus being sick, stressed out and in

> pain.

>

> Helen

>

August 13, 2006

:

I have this as well. After reading the autism book Rich recommends, I

got Breaking the Vicious Cycle, about the SC diet, and then I got Gut

and Psychology Syndrome, an excellent book that even mentions CFIDS,

which is also about that diet with a bit of variant.

Have cut most of the grains out of my diet, want to go on that diet,

but in process have lost 20 lbs and down to my usual too thin weight

right now and very weak.

The diet will heal the gut, improve absorption and helps depression,

but die off in beginning can be nasty. I actually did a week on it

recently but fell off, when I wanted my Immune Pro and Goatien, and

then some friends had me over to dinner, so weak and depressed, ate

some rice and beans there.

Not sure what to do re Immune Pro and this diet, I need the

glutathione, I have to have the strength to prepare food, so I guess

I will just limit grains and eat what I can, try to get my strength

back, hard when not sleeping so well due to pain in my arm if I move

it the wrong way.

Thanks for mentioning the D3, must get back on that. Trying to sit in

noon sun a few minutes every day but summer is passing on.

thanks for your help,

Helen

>

> Helen, what I've been finding in the last six months or so is that

I

> inherited many things and most especially from my mother. It all

> makes me wonder more what my grandmother on that side was like --

she

> died when I was only five so I never really knew her.

>

> But what I inherited that's most important to me is the basic

> inability to absorb nutrients. I don't know if that's " bad genes "

or

> what, but it manifests in many different ways -- including

> depression, inability to handle stress, and in my case at

> least...pain and lots of it.

>

August 13, 2006

Helen, we're not the same people in the same situations, so it's

impossible (it seems) to even tell one person one thing based on

personal experience. For instance, I know that when I

think " depression " that's probably not the same understanding as when

other people think " depression. " So, unfortunately, perhaps in the

interest of just being careful and not hurting someone else, we're

too careful and err on the side of what we think appropriate and safe.

I don't have time to read books, and I didn't when I was so sick at

the beginning of this year either. I fight the needing to work and

having no insurance scenario, so ironically it seems I don't even

have the time to use potential assets to keep myself going -- like

good informative books. I depend on you and others to tell me what's

in the books, because at this time that's the only way I can learn.

I appreciate you giving me the names of them, so at some future time

I can do this.