Re: Fish oils made me worse why ?

[Guest guest]

Try Hemp oil capsules, I cannot tolerate the fish oils either & it has a

balanced 3-6- 8 omega oils & does not bother me at all

[Guest guest]

Hi

I benefit big time from fish oil, so your post really caught my attention,

What kind of fish oil are you taking and at what dose for what length of

time.

Which of your symptoms are worse?

What are your cholesterol ratios?

Hope you find something else that helps

mjh

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Posted by: " finsenuk " _rebeccavw65@... _

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Fish%20oils%20made%20me%20worse%20why%20?) _finsenuk _

(finsenuk)

Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:52 am (PST)

I have been taking really high does of fish oils recently which have

made my symptoms so much worse. Can anyone explain this please ? Do

they increase the activity of part of our immune system that may

already be over reactive ?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

I can't do any of these oils - including hemp.

Rosie

Try Hemp oil capsules, I cannot tolerate the fish oils either & it has a

balanced 3-6- 8 omega oils & does not bother me at all

[Guest guest]

They make me much worse too - I would also like to know why!

Rosie

Subject: Fish oils made me worse why ?

I have been taking really high does of fish oils recently which have

made my symptoms so much worse. Can anyone explain this please ? Do

they increase the activity of part of our immune system that may

already be over reactive ?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

I've read that mixed fish oils which include some tropical oils (as

opposed to pure cod or other North Sea fish) may include at least

traces of ciguatera toxin.

[Guest guest]

I have been taking Efamarine and it makes my fatigue and flu like

symptoms worse.

I remember reading a few years ago when i last took it that it

increases part of immune system IL2 I think and was wondering if

this could be making me worse as obvioulsy part of my immune system

is overactive anyway.

>

> Hi

>

> I benefit big time from fish oil, so your post really caught my

attention,

>

> What kind of fish oil are you taking and at what dose for what

length of

> time.

>

> Which of your symptoms are worse?

>

> What are your cholesterol ratios?

>

> Hope you find something else that helps

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_

(http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

>

>

> Posted by: " finsenuk " _rebeccavw65@... _

> (mailto:rebeccavw65@...?Subject=Re: Fish%20oils%20made%20me%

20worse%20why%20?) _finsenuk _

> (finsenuk)

> Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:52 am (PST)

> I have been taking really high does of fish oils recently which

have

> made my symptoms so much worse. Can anyone explain this please ?

Do

> they increase the activity of part of our immune system that may

> already be over reactive ?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 31/07/2006 13:16:25 GMT Standard Time, blanket@...

writes:

It's possible that you have a genetic or aquired deficiency of specific

omega-6 fats (e.g. arachidonic acid) which fish oil supplements worsened. A red

blood cell essential fatty acid profile can determine this. Or you may have

some other kind of intolerance to fish oil.

I AGREE!!!

The above comments is probabaly the explanantion you are looking for!

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

Hi. Some fish oils go racid; it's best to keep them in the frig and buy

better brands, Joanee

Blake Graham wrote:

>It's possible that you have a genetic or aquired deficiency of specific omega-6

fats (e.g. arachidonic acid) which fish oil supplements worsened. A red blood

cell essential fatty acid profile can determine this. Or you may have some other

kind of intolerance to fish oil.

>

> Fish oils made me worse why ?

>

>

> I have been taking really high does of fish oils recently which have

> made my symptoms so much worse. Can anyone explain this please ? Do

> they increase the activity of part of our immune system that may

> already be over reactive ?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's possible that you have a genetic or aquired deficiency of specific omega-6

fats (e.g. arachidonic acid) which fish oil supplements worsened. A red blood

cell essential fatty acid profile can determine this. Or you may have some other

kind of intolerance to fish oil.

Fish oils made me worse why ?

I have been taking really high does of fish oils recently which have

made my symptoms so much worse. Can anyone explain this please ? Do

they increase the activity of part of our immune system that may

already be over reactive ?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Thank you Hud.

Fish oil also don't work for me but EPO,hemp,borage seed does.When i have

fish oil or eat meat my eczema like skin eruptions get worse.What does these

two have in common?I mean fish oil and meat.

bw

Nil

Fish oils made me worse why ?

>

> I have been taking really high does of fish oils recently which have

> made my symptoms so much worse. Can anyone explain this please ? Do

> they increase the activity of part of our immune system that may

> already be over reactive ?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fish oil made me worse, but now I think after supplementing with EPO and/or

borage oil

for a bit, and having increasing pain, I started very slowly adding EFA's from

fish oil. One

cap a day for a couple weeks. Just a couple days ago I upped it to 2 a day.

I'll try to

remember to let you know how it goes -- a BALANCE is the key, and it's different

for

everyone. Also the brand, the purity, and the extraction method is very

important.

d,

>

> Fish oils give essential fatty acids. EFAs come as either Eicosapentanoic

acid [EPA] , DHA

[decahexanoic acid]?, GLA [gamma linoleic acid/gamma linolenic acid?] and some

less

featured variants like oleic acid. The point here is not one of correct syntax

or semantics!

It is this: EFA's produce Prostaglandins [P1/P2 types] and I think Eicosanoids.

Double

edged sword. Some are proinflammatory others antiinflammatory. The key I think

is

correct balance.

>

> Merck's " Vioxx " was a specific type of prostaglandin inhibitor: a

cyclooxygenase2

inhibitor [COX2]. Too bad it bombed. Specific inhibitors of prostaglandins

would be

helpful I believe, as far as the pharmacological approach is of value.

>

> In short, when you take fish/primrose/black currant/hemp/borage...oils you get

a dose

of some range of EFAs which build Prostaglandins of one type or another.

Depending on

your biochemical individuality, the quality of the oils used, whether you are

male or

female; etc.--a given 'fishoil' product may or may not help. It is a very

complex affair once

you look into it. Rich, I believe this is your turf: so take it away...[!]

>

> Always,

>

> --

> Hud J Oetoyo

> Fish oils made me worse why ?

>

> I have been taking really high does of fish oils recently which have

> made my symptoms so much worse. Can anyone explain this please ? Do

> they increase the activity of part of our immune system that may

> already be over reactive ?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Fish oils give essential fatty acids. EFAs come as either Eicosapentanoic acid

[EPA] , DHA [decahexanoic acid]?, GLA [gamma linoleic acid/gamma linolenic

acid?] and some less featured variants like oleic acid. The point here is not

one of correct syntax or semantics! It is this: EFA's produce Prostaglandins

[P1/P2 types] and I think Eicosanoids. Double edged sword. Some are

proinflammatory others antiinflammatory. The key I think is correct balance.

Merck's " Vioxx " was a specific type of prostaglandin inhibitor: a

cyclooxygenase2 inhibitor [COX2]. Too bad it bombed. Specific inhibitors of

prostaglandins would be helpful I believe, as far as the pharmacological

approach is of value.

In short, when you take fish/primrose/black currant/hemp/borage...oils you get a

dose of some range of EFAs which build Prostaglandins of one type or another.

Depending on your biochemical individuality, the quality of the oils used,

whether you are male or female; etc.--a given 'fishoil' product may or may not

help. It is a very complex affair once you look into it. Rich, I believe this

is your turf: so take it away...[!]

Always,

--

Hud J Oetoyo

Fish oils made me worse why ?

I have been taking really high does of fish oils recently which have

made my symptoms so much worse. Can anyone explain this please ? Do

they increase the activity of part of our immune system that may

already be over reactive ?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Fish oil suppresses TH1 responses, and thus increases TH2 dominance.

This might not necessarily be good for a person who has a TH2 dominant

condition.

[Guest guest]

Mark, your recent 3 studies of why certain protocols may work was

outstanding! Have you written any more stuff?

Do you think cfs and Lyme and fms are Th1 or Th2 overactivated or none

of the above?

Thanks,

a

>

> Fish oil suppresses TH1 responses, and thus increases TH2

dominance.

> This might not necessarily be good for a person who has a TH2

dominant

> condition.

>

[Guest guest]

a

I am familiar and applaud Mark's paper on Guaifenesin. Can you provide

links/subject matter for the other two?

thanks

mjh

" The Basil Book "

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Posted by: " pjeanneus " _pj7@... _ (mailto:pj7@...?Subject=

Re:%20Fish%20oils%20made%20me%20worse%20why%20?) _pjeanneus _

(pjeanneus)

Thu Aug 3, 2006 8:50 pm (PST)

Mark, your recent 3 studies of why certain protocols may work was

outstanding! Have you written any more stuff?

Do you think cfs and Lyme and fms are Th1 or Th2 overactivated or none

of the above?

Thanks,

a

>

> Fish oil suppresses TH1 responses, and thus increases TH2

dominance.

> This might not necessarily be good for a person who has a TH2

dominant

> condition.

[Guest guest]

Hi - There's a lot of conflicting studies regarding cytokine levels

in CFS and fibromyalgia. However, given that many people are

dealing with infections, one can infer that the th1 response is

defective in some way in many people, so that overly suppressing th1

responses could cause problems.

FWIW, the only thing I've written lately was a response to Alfred

Blasi's response to my web page on Recuperation (which he posted on

his discussion group). I have link to my response at the end of my

web page, although it's probably too long and boring for most people

to care to read. - Mark

>

> Mark, your recent 3 studies of why certain protocols may work was

> outstanding! Have you written any more stuff?

>

> Do you think cfs and Lyme and fms are Th1 or Th2 overactivated or

none

> of the above?

>

> Thanks,

> a

> >

> > Fish oil suppresses TH1 responses, and thus increases TH2

> dominance.

> > This might not necessarily be good for a person who has a TH2

> dominant

> > condition.

> >

>