Re: Is this Contagious? - research re: pets

[Guest guest]

There is, of course, the " mutual exposure to unknown

[non-infectious/transmissable]agent or environment " hypothesis. I'm thinking

toxic heavy metals, pesticides, biocides, EMFs, ionizing radiation (EMF's above

the visible light frequency band--e.g., in the TeraHertz range[??] i.e., ~ +/-

billions[??] of times per second); or, very possibly BIOLOGICAL CONTAMINANTS

(toxin generating mycobacteria (molds) like Stachybotyris- [sp?]; aspergillus)-,

or actual fungal-toxins, POSSIBLY EVEN iatrogenic factors (use of same

medicines, visiting the same medical/veterinary clinics, antibiotics...)

Is this Contagious? - research re: pets

" * The Human/Animal Interaction of Chronic Fatigue and Immune Dysfunction

Syndrome: A Look At 127 Patients and Their Animals*

by R. Tom Glass, D.D.S., Ph.D. and Professor "

After reading this study, I regretfully conclude that there is good evidence

that some subtpyes of CFS are contagious, at least between humans and

animals, and there's little reason to think it wouldn't be between humans

and humans as well.

The author relates it to activites that involve fluids (licking, kissing,

biting), though I don't see anything in the study the rules out more casual

contact.

- Bob Niederman

PS - not to be found in my favotrite research search engine at NCBI - the

human journals wouldn't print it saying it was for the veterinary journals

and the veterinary journals wouldn't print for fear of panicing their

clientele.

[Guest guest]

One famous case is that of researcher Garth Nicolson. After his

daughter came back from Gulf War I service, both he and his wife became

ill with a CFS-type illness. Their cat got the sickness and died. They

took long-term antibiotics and recovered. They believe the cause was a

mycoplasma infection. His story is somewhere on his website -

www.immed.org <http://www.immed.org/> .

--Kurt

Is this Contagious? - research re: pets

Stumbled upon the following while looking for something else. A serach

on

pets and glass found this was last noted here in 2001.

http://www.immunesu

<http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/397/e/1/T/CFIDS

_FM/> pport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/397/e/1/T/CFIDS_FM/

" * The Human/Animal Interaction of Chronic Fatigue and Immune

Dysfunction

Syndrome: A Look At 127 Patients and Their Animals*

by R. Tom Glass, D.D.S., Ph.D. and Professor "

"

The most striking result of this study was the association between CFIDS

patients and animals (usually indoor pets) and the number of animals per

CFIDS patient. 97% of the CFIDS patients had animal contact [expected

normal

contact: 57.9% (4)], with only 2 males and 2 females not reporting

animal

contact. Reported dog ownership per household for CFIDS males was 9.5

and

for CFIDS females was 7.9 (expected national average: 1.52). Reported

cat

ownership per household for CFIDS males was 6.1 and for CFIDS females

was

8.7 (expected national average: 1.95).

"

(I'm not sure this proves as much about etiology of CFIDS as it does

about

the need for companionship, but the numbers are amazingly high - Bob N.)

More to the point:

"

The conclusion of this study was that CFIDS patients not only have pets,

but

that there is a significant animal interaction and that a large number

of

these animals have atypical or unusual diseases which at least mimic

CFIDS.

"

[Guest guest]

Hello a,

Has being treated with ABX helped you a lot, especially, in the neurological

symptoms? I am looking at cost/benefit ratio..I have not heard that many

Lyme patients have improved, a great deal...

[Guest guest]

Bob and all,

Let me repeat ad nauseum, bartonella, babesia, erhlichia, borrelia = hello

animal kingdom. You clean kitty liter, you have a dog or cat who goes

outside and gets ticks = several cfs like diseases.

All cfs and fms patients should be tested at IgeneX for possible tick borne

infections. Did I write that a doctor in the south (where the CDC claims

there is no Lyme) is finding that 90% of his former cfs patients actually

have LYME?

a Carnes

After reading this study, I regretfully conclude that there is good evidence

that some subtpyes of CFS are contagious, at least between humans and

animals, and there's little reason to think it wouldn't be between humans

and humans as well.

The author relates it to activites that involve fluids (licking, kissing,

biting), though I don't see anything in the study the rules out more casual

contact.

- Bob Niederman

[Guest guest]

And not only pets do pets carry parasites, but people do as well -- besides

lyme,

undetected parasite infections are often connected to CFS.

>

> Bob and all,

>

> Let me repeat ad nauseum, bartonella, babesia, erhlichia, borrelia = hello

> animal kingdom. You clean kitty liter, you have a dog or cat who goes

> outside and gets ticks = several cfs like diseases.

>

>

>

> All cfs and fms patients should be tested at IgeneX for possible tick borne

> infections. Did I write that a doctor in the south (where the CDC claims

> there is no Lyme) is finding that 90% of his former cfs patients actually

> have LYME?

>

>

>

> a Carnes

>

>

>

> After reading this study, I regretfully conclude that there is good evidence

> that some subtpyes of CFS are contagious, at least between humans and

> animals, and there's little reason to think it wouldn't be between humans

> and humans as well.

>

> The author relates it to activites that involve fluids (licking, kissing,

> biting), though I don't see anything in the study the rules out more casual

> contact.

>

> - Bob Niederman

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

a,

I appreciate your efforts...did you have a LYME TICK? I have not...

..I have had CFS for 34 years...and it really does fit with Dr. Cheney's 3

Phase definition..the Canadian Case Definition....virally induced..

[Guest guest]

Which goes back to the original reason I brought this up - until I've got a

handle on this (if ever) I'm staying clear of my 3 yo nephew and his

pregnant mom (my sister-in-law). They're both way too huggy and I am not

gonna risk passing this on to them.

- Bob Niederman

On 7/22/06, kdrbrill <kdrbrill@...> wrote:

>

> And not only pets do pets carry parasites, but people do as well --

> besides lyme,

> undetected parasite infections are often connected to CFS.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sunscraper,

Yes, I am at about 80% and have been for 9 years. I have been sick for 11

years, but had symptoms before that. I was simply lucky. I got diagnosed

with mycoplasma and followed Dr. Nicolson's treatment suggestions. It took

me two years to get rid of the brain fog and neuro symptoms. Even after that

it was about 2 more years to feeling pretty good.

My main problem was that Zithromax at 500 mg a day cleared the disease, but

not really. I would pretty much completely relapse in 3 months off it.

I have tried other antibiotic combos to no avail. I do think the Zithromax

and mepron for babesia cleared a lot of my problem. In 2003 I was finally

diagnosed with borrelia along with two other members of our family. This led

to a disaster in which I was given Levaquin and Avalox. The damage to the

tendons and CNS was worse than my original disease in some ways.

Now 3 years later I still take Zithromax at 500 mg every other day. I have

tried garlic which helps my son. I know I have to avoid toxic mold. Am I

well? I certainly can function, think and travel. But, no, I am not without

symptoms. Recuperation seems to have helped the quinolone damage. I keep

searching for solutions.

a Carnes

Hello a,

Has being treated with ABX helped you a lot, especially, in the neurological

symptoms? I am looking at cost/benefit ratio..I have not heard that many

Lyme patients have improved, a great deal...

[Guest guest]

If this were highly contagious the epidemic would be far worse than it

is now, after over 20 years. I would not be overly concerned. CFS

appears to involve contagious triggers, but they are the chorus line,

our faulty genetics seem to play the leading role. In my case I have a

large family (6 children), and of course we get a lot of ordinary

exposures to each other, and only one child has developed CFS, besides

myself. And in her case she has had life-long health problems that

obviously involve genetic liver detox, much as I have also.

However, I do believe that we should exercise ordinary caution, and if

you have had recent onset of CFS from a strong flu-like illness, maybe

you are in a more contagious time period. But if you are past that

first year and things are stabilized, I seriously doubt you could pass

this on to them, based on my experience anyway. I would be more worried

about what you could catch from them, to be honest, as you are the one

with probable immune problems. So I would maybe take some immune

boosters.

--Kurt

Re: Re: Is this Contagious? - research re:

pets

Which goes back to the original reason I brought this up - until I've

got a

handle on this (if ever) I'm staying clear of my 3 yo nephew and his

pregnant mom (my sister-in-law). They're both way too huggy and I am not

gonna risk passing this on to them.

- Bob Niederman

On 7/22/06, kdrbrill <kdrbrill (DOT) <mailto:kdrbrill%40> com>

wrote:

>

> And not only pets do pets carry parasites, but people do as well --

> besides lyme,

> undetected parasite infections are often connected to CFS.

>

[Guest guest]

a,

It is, probably, TOO LATE FOR ME IN THIS DISEASE PROCESS, TO REVERSE

THIS,...SO IT DOES NOT MATTER, AT THIS POINT, WHETHER I HAVE LYME OR NOT..and I

don't have ACCESS TO A LYME-LITERATE DOC.

But, I am so glad that it has helped you..

Amelia

[Guest guest]

Sunscaper,

I assume you mean you never saw a tick biting you. That is actually very

common. I was bitten many times by ticks and thought because I removed them

in a few minutes I was fine. I got a bull's eye rash once and never saw a

tick. I tested negative three times over about 5 years for borrelia.

But the reality is I and two other family members are clearly infected with

borrelia and test positive with three different tests. I also have two

myocplasma infections. My Lyme doc thinks I have babesia as well. The

testing for all of this is extremely difficult.

Did I have a viral aspect? Sure. Like most cfs cases I had elevated EBV

titres at the early stages of my symptoms. I also looked a bit like lupus,

RA and MS. What I actually have is borrelia and mycoplasma and maybe

babesia.

So I respond to Zithromax and Mepron. I am 80% better but not well. These

infections are probably impossible to really control at this time.

a Carnes

Posted by: " sunscaper53

Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:59 pm (PST)

a,

I appreciate your efforts...did you have a LYME TICK? I have not...

..I have had CFS for 34 years...and it really does fit with Dr. Cheney's 3

Phase definition..the Canadian Case Definition....virally induced..