Re: Advice on mold.

[Guest guest]

Blake

That Australian Tea Tree Oil is a powerful tool in combatting molds.

I have sensitivity to molds and value this stuff. I find it more effective

than a 10% bleach solution.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

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-How can I improve my advice about what to do about mold?

Regards,

Blake

[Guest guest]

Hi, Blake,

Just a quick response from the top of my head right now.

The drip pan under the fridge is one hidden place to look for mold.

Another is the air duct system. Many of my ducts are under the

house and may have gotten cracked. The mold was being blown through

the furnace system and throughout the house, contaminating

everything! It takes quite an expert to solve this issue.

The mold expert I had tested my walls for dampness. This is often

a place of hidden mold (in the walls). Cracks in walls, peeling

plaster, bulging areas...

Behind the furnace, water heater and washing machine.

As to mold remediation: Dr. Schaller posted his book on mold here

a few months ago. I found it to be a wonderful adjunct to Dr.

Shoemaker's book. He gives a lot of specific information on how to

deal with mold, such as what number filters are needed to filter out

mold spores.

You may want to mention that some of us have what Dr. Shoemaker

terms " the mold gene " which makes us more reactive to mold exposure.

I had the test done at Lab Corp.

Another test I had was from Allos Labs which specified the

particular molds I was dealing with internally. A blood test.

I hope this is somewhat helpful.

>

> Dear list,

>

> I am trying to put together some written advice concerning mold

for my CFS clients. Thus far i've written:

>

> " For a subgroup of those with CFS sensitivity the environmental

mold exposure can be a major factor. Clean up any mold (e.g. in

bathroom, basement, attic, old moldy books, under carpets, fridges,

etc.) in your house/workplace/car. Those with CFS should not do this

themselves, ask a loved one to do it for you. Address water leaks

(e.g. pipes), and flooded or damp areas in your home/work/car as

soon as they appear. Wash all moldy items/surfaces in diluted bleach

or hydrogen peroxide. Avoid moldy indoor plants and do not store

leather items (coats, couches, etc.) in your bedroom. Use exhaust

fans in bathrooms during and after use. If your house or workplace

has a major mold problem seek professional help. If your symptoms

started after mold exposure and/or you suspect there is a link

between mold exposure and your symptoms read 'Mold Warriors'

(www.moldwarriors.com/) by Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker

(www.chronicneurotoxins.com/). "

>

> Can those on this list knowedgable about mold please help with

with the following points:

> -What are main sources of mold to look out for??

> -How can I improve my advice about what to do about mold?

>

> Regards,

>

> Blake

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Blake,

I have read that taking colloidal silver might be helpful.

paul

>

> Dear list,

>

> I am trying to put together some written advice concerning mold for

my CFS clients. Thus far i've written:

>

> " For a subgroup of those with CFS sensitivity the environmental

mold exposure can be a major factor. Clean up any mold (e.g. in

bathroom, basement, attic, old moldy books, under carpets, fridges,

etc.) in your house/workplace/car. Those with CFS should not do this

themselves, ask a loved one to do it for you. Address water leaks

(e.g. pipes), and flooded or damp areas in your home/work/car as soon

as they appear. Wash all moldy items/surfaces in diluted bleach or

hydrogen peroxide. Avoid moldy indoor plants and do not store leather

items (coats, couches, etc.) in your bedroom. Use exhaust fans in

bathrooms during and after use. If your house or workplace has a

major mold problem seek professional help. If your symptoms started

after mold exposure and/or you suspect there is a link between mold

exposure and your symptoms read 'Mold Warriors'

(www.moldwarriors.com/) by Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker

(www.chronicneurotoxins.com/). "

>

> Can those on this list knowedgable about mold please help with with

the following points:

> -What are main sources of mold to look out for??

> -How can I improve my advice about what to do about mold?

>

> Regards,

>

> Blake

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Blake,

I am by no means a mold expert. One concern I have with your suggestions for

your patients is that it is too little too late, if the person and his home

have toxic mold. That person would just about need to sell the house and

move, packing any toxic mold contaminated items in storage for a year or so.

But on that basis I would suggest a couple of simple changes to your

suggestions.

1. Remove the carpet - clearning under it would be futile.

2. Never have any house plants in the house.

3. Move any possibly contaminated items to storage or sell them. (books

etc.)

4. My hunch is that the worst mold in a home that has had water damage

will not be visible. I don't know if a house in this condition can be

salvaged, but it would certainly involve complete replacement of insulation

products and drywall. It might be a simpler idea to sell the house and move

if possible.

a

Dear list,

I am trying to put together some written advice concerning mold for my CFS

clients. Thus far i've written:

" For a subgroup of those with CFS sensitivity the environmental mold

exposure can be a major factor. Clean up any mold (e.g. in bathroom,

basement, attic, old moldy books, under carpets, fridges, etc.) in your

house/workplace/car. Those with CFS should not do this themselves, ask a

loved one to do it for you. Address water leaks (e.g. pipes), and flooded or

damp areas in your home/work/car as soon as they appear. Wash all moldy

items/surfaces in diluted bleach or hydrogen peroxide. Avoid moldy indoor

plants and do not store leather items (coats, couches, etc.) in your

bedroom. Use exhaust fans in bathrooms during and after use. If your house

or workplace has a major mold problem seek professional help. If your

symptoms started after mold exposure and/or you suspect there is a link

between mold exposure and your symptoms read 'Mold Warriors'

(www.moldwarriors.com/) by Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker

(www.chronicneurotoxins.com/). "

Can those on this list knowedgable about mold please help with with the

following points:

-What are main sources of mold to look out for??

-How can I improve my advice about what to do about mold?

Regards,

Blake

[Guest guest]

Blake, join the group " " and ask them on

there--they are mold experts.

[Guest guest]

Hi all

I am some books and papers that I have some important memories attached

to.They are very old and have that distinct smell of old books,papers have

turned dark yellow and have some darker spots on them. That is mold. Isn't

it?

If it is do you think I am harming myself by keeping them.I also have some

fabrics which are old and have some darker stains on. I washed them at hot

water but stains still there and smell did not go away completely.Are these

also problem for mold sensitive people?It will be painful for me to throw

them away but should I? What do you think?

Thanks

nil

Re: Advice on mold.

> Blake,

>

> I am by no means a mold expert. One concern I have with your suggestions

> for

> your patients is that it is too little too late, if the person and his

> home

> have toxic mold. That person would just about need to sell the house and

> move, packing any toxic mold contaminated items in storage for a year or

> so.

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Jul 15, 2006, at 2:18 PM, yildiz wrote:

> Hi all

>

> I am some books and papers that I have some important memories

> attached

> to.They are very old and have that distinct smell of old

> books,papers have

> turned dark yellow and have some darker spots on them. That is

> mold. Isn't

> it?

> If it is do you think I am harming myself by keeping them.I also

> have some

> fabrics which are old and have some darker stains on. I washed them

> at hot

> water but stains still there and smell did not go away

> completely.Are these

> also problem for mold sensitive people?It will be painful for me to

> throw

> them away but should I? What do you think?

Store this stuff in plastic bags, so the mold isn't infiltrating your

living space. Be sure to put some dessicant (the little packets of

crystals that come in vitamin bottles and shoe boxes) so that you're

not storing it with moisture that will allow the mold to continue

growing.

There is, to my knowledge, no way to get mold stains out of fabrics.

You can wash the item in bleach and hot water, which will kill the

mold and keep it from spreading. But the dark stains themselves are

there for keeps.

Sara

[Guest guest]

No, Nil, that is not mold. I am a used book dealer. The spots are called

foxing, and the yellowing is just chemical and light induced changes

Adrienne

Marsha Malinowski, senior vice president of the books and manuscripts

department at Sotheby's in New York City, says the term " foxing " is a frequent

visitor to the world of rare books and manuscripts. Marsha, who has seen her

share of books and manuscripts (she is proficient in French, Latin, Italian,

Spanish and Polish), says the word is often used to describe a book's condition,

in phrases such as " scattered marginal foxing " or " foxed plates " or " a fine copy

except for some foxing. "

Marsha says foxing describes the brown spots that gradually form on paper, a

scourge on rare and old books that can greatly diminish their value. Though all

the factors that may contribute to foxing are not entirely understood, according

to the Library of Congress, foxing is often caused by high humidity and

temperature extremes where books and paper are stored. Other common culprits are

certain ingredients found in older inks. Also, metals such as copper and iron,

left over as trace contaminants from paper-pulping methods widely used in the

late-18th and 19th centuries, can cause foxing as well. ssage -----

From: yildiz

Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 3:18 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Advice on mold.

Hi all

I am some books and papers that I have some important memories attached

to.They are very old and have that distinct smell of old books,papers have

turned dark yellow and have some darker spots on them. That is mold. Isn't

it?

If it is do you think I am harming myself by keeping them.I also have some

fabrics which are old and have some darker stains on. I washed them at hot

water but stains still there and smell did not go away completely.Are these

also problem for mold sensitive people?It will be painful for me to throw

them away but should I? What do you think?

Thanks

nil

Re: Advice on mold.

> Blake,

>

> I am by no means a mold expert. One concern I have with your suggestions

> for

> your patients is that it is too little too late, if the person and his

> home

> have toxic mold. That person would just about need to sell the house and

> move, packing any toxic mold contaminated items in storage for a year or

> so.

>

>

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Nil,

I have some old books also. I brought them with me when we moved here. I

don't have a sense of them pluming out in the room. I think as you become

aware of molds you will sense when you are getting too much. Meanwhile

perhaps you could pack the memorabilia in a plastic box and put it in a

sealed area or guest bedroom. You could rent storage space for awhile if you

want to spend the money. I think the advice to join the sickbuilding email

list is a good one. I really shouldn't be sharing advice, as I could well be

wrong. Plus I don't seem to have a horrible problem with mold - possibly

because my house is pretty much mold free.

a

[Guest guest]

No, Nil, that is not mold. I am a used book dealer. The spots are called

foxing, and the yellowing is just chemical and light induced changes

Adrienne

Nil,

Please check out this article written by archivists in regard to mold

exposure in old books.

http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byorg/abbey/an/an18/an18-6/an18-602.html

" Librarians and archivists who work with old books and papers are exposed to

a wide variety of molds and other microorganisms, some of which are known

causes of disease. Some of those diseases are chronic, some fatal. They can

affect anyone, whether or not they have been previously sensitized to the

organism. "

Nil, this article makes a point that limited exposure to mold may not be a

big problem, but people who work with old moldy books are definitely taking

a risk. The article is an interesting read.

a