Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 violence. ----- Original Message ----- From: Blake Graham CFS triggers. Dear list, I am putting together a list of factors which trigger sudden-onset CFS. 1. Infections (viral, bacterial and parasitic) 2. Toxic exposures 3. Excessive physical activity 4. Having just had a baby 5. Having an injury or surgery 6. Adverse vaccination reaction (particularly hepatitis 7. Blood transfusion 8. Long airplane flights Am I missing any obvious ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Perhaps any/most major life stresses moving/relocating losing a job death of a loved one surviving a natural (or manmade) disaster basically anything that triggers the fight or flight response repeatedly or over an extended period of time? I think this is more true now than 50 years ago with our modern food that is mostly devoid of nutrients and other changes to our environment that are done for good but may have unintended and unrecognized consequences (ie chlorine in drinking water, fluoride, toxic environment, fast food culture....) Kendra depleted in IL/USA On 7/5/06, Blake Graham <blanket@...> wrote: > Dear list, > > I am putting together a list of factors which trigger sudden-onset CFS. > 1. Infections (viral, bacterial and parasitic) > 2. Toxic exposures > 3. Excessive physical activity > 4. Having just had a baby > 5. Having an injury or surgery > 6. Adverse vaccination reaction (particularly hepatitis > 7. Blood transfusion > 8. Long airplane flights > > Am I missing any obvious ones? > > thanks. > > Blake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Dear Blake, Major or multiple traumatic events. Car accident/whiplash - I guess you have included in injury or surgery? Best regards, Jan Blake Graham <blanket@...> wrote: Dear list, I am putting together a list of factors which trigger sudden-onset CFS. 1. Infections (viral, bacterial and parasitic) 2. Toxic exposures 3. Excessive physical activity 4. Having just had a baby 5. Having an injury or surgery 6. Adverse vaccination reaction (particularly hepatitis 7. Blood transfusion 8. Long airplane flights Am I missing any obvious ones? thanks. Blake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Blake, Is that a rhetorical question? Hmm. How about bungy jumping? peace, paul > > Dear list, > > I am putting together a list of factors which trigger sudden-onset CFS. > 1. Infections (viral, bacterial and parasitic) > 2. Toxic exposures > 3. Excessive physical activity > 4. Having just had a baby > 5. Having an injury or surgery > 6. Adverse vaccination reaction (particularly hepatitis > 7. Blood transfusion > 8. Long airplane flights > > Am I missing any obvious ones? > > thanks. > > Blake > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 9. Excessive emotional or mental strain (death in family, divorce, loss of job, extreme work stress, family issues, etc.) 10. High EMF exposure (particularly Cell phones) The only problem with these triggers is that alone none of these will cause CFS in a healthy person without the various predispositions that are now being identified. Just looking at triggers misses that important part of the illness. Also, I had exposure to many of these at various times in my life but did not get CFS. Then I had a lot of them all at once, and got CFS. That is another confound. --Kurt CFS triggers. Dear list, I am putting together a list of factors which trigger sudden-onset CFS. 1. Infections (viral, bacterial and parasitic) 2. Toxic exposures 3. Excessive physical activity 4. Having just had a baby 5. Having an injury or surgery 6. Adverse vaccination reaction (particularly hepatitis 7. Blood transfusion 8. Long airplane flights Am I missing any obvious ones? thanks. Blake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Hi Blake and everyone, I think that the SUDDEN ONSET part of the question is being missed by some people. Maybe " excessive physical activity " should be removed from the list? Do athletes who come down with CFS have a sudden onset or do they find it builds up over weeks or months? Can a parasite cause sudden onset or would that take time to build up the bad effects? How many people with a SUDDEN ONSET (i.e well one day and then forever with CFS) had a trigger other than a virus? Kindest regards, Annette --------------------------------- All New – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Vaccines should be one. I got sick after I got many vaccines, when I joined the military. Sue On 7/5/06, Blake Graham <blanket@...> wrote: > > Dear list, > > > > I am putting together a list of factors which trigger sudden-onset CFS. > > 1. Infections (viral, bacterial and parasitic) > > 2. Toxic exposures > > 3. Excessive physical activity > > 4. Having just had a baby > > 5. Having an injury or surgery > > 6. Adverse vaccination reaction (particularly hepatitis > > 7. Blood transfusion > > 8. Long airplane flights > > > > Am I missing any obvious ones? > > > > thanks. > > > > Blake > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 On Jul 6, 2006, at 5:00 PM, sb2boys wrote: > Vaccines should be one. I got sick after I got many vaccines, when I > joined the military. Everybody I know with Gulf War Syndrome seems to have started out this same way. Another addition: auto accidents, especially those that cause severe whiplash. My illness began with a whole year of really awful stuff, but being in two rear-ender accidents within a single week was definitely one of the biggies. Another one might be prolonged antibiotic exposure. I was on daily low-dose antibiotics for two years before my onset. Sara > Sue > > On 7/5/06, Blake Graham <blanket@...> wrote: >>> Dear list, >>> >>> I am putting together a list of factors which trigger sudden-onset > CFS. >>> 1. Infections (viral, bacterial and parasitic) >>> 2. Toxic exposures >>> 3. Excessive physical activity >>> 4. Having just had a baby >>> 5. Having an injury or surgery >>> 6. Adverse vaccination reaction (particularly hepatitis >>> 7. Blood transfusion >>> 8. Long airplane flights >>> >>> Am I missing any obvious ones? >>> >>> thanks. >>> >>> Blake >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 I have CFS-fibro (but call it by latin name Myalgiac encephalomyelitis as I am so damn sick of what most think when they hear 'chronic fatigue')however it was either gradual for me OR I didn't quite catch on right away... I CAN confirm the 'after childbirth' point as this was how it happened to a friend in the early '90's. She was fortunate in that she was diagnosed rather soon, and that it sort of seemed like her case was mild; she did nap each day with her two kids, but other than that, seeme to do well and did have remission a time after that. I remember she was diagnosed within a month or two ofher son'e birth. >> Dear list, > > I am putting together a list of factors which trigger sudden-onset CFS. > 1. Infections (viral, bacterial and parasitic) > 2. Toxic exposures; > 3. Excessive physical activity; > 4. Having just had a baby;> 5. Having an injury or surgery; > 6. Adverse vaccination reaction (particularly hepatitis ; > 7. Blood transfusion; > 8. Long airplane flights > > Am I missing any obvious ones? > > thanks.> Blake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Add stress, and car fumes, joanee Adrienne G. wrote: >violence. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Blake Graham > CFS triggers. > > > Dear list, > > I am putting together a list of factors which trigger sudden-onset CFS. > 1. Infections (viral, bacterial and parasitic) > 2. Toxic exposures > 3. Excessive physical activity > 4. Having just had a baby > 5. Having an injury or surgery > 6. Adverse vaccination reaction (particularly hepatitis > 7. Blood transfusion > 8. Long airplane flights > > Am I missing any obvious ones? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Car travel too, even just having to sit still for extended periods of ti Re: CFS triggers. Add stress, and car fumes, joanee Adrienne G. wrote: >violence. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Blake Graham > CFS triggers. > > > Dear list, > > I am putting together a list of factors which trigger sudden-onset CFS. > 1. Infections (viral, bacterial and parasitic) > 2. Toxic exposures > 3. Excessive physical activity > 4. Having just had a baby > 5. Having an injury or surgery > 6. Adverse vaccination reaction (particularly hepatitis > 7. Blood transfusion > 8. Long airplane flights > > Am I missing any obvious ones? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Blake, I forgot to mention GEOPATHIC STRESS It's very real. My onset came on with a number of earthquakes in the immediate vicinity of where I live. paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 A few things about Earthquake exposure: A few years after my 1st CFS onset, but then managing to push/force through Life and work, I was again worsening and seeking answers to the still un-diagnosed mystery. Then, I was near the epicenter when the 7.1 Loma Prieta Earthquake struck. I was in isolated area with a baby in my care and a house falling apart. A Trauma counselor said I was " massively exposed " . I was, and nerves were certainly on edge. But, during the hundreds of after shocks, I remember trying to explain to my Dad that I was not only having a stress reaction, but I could feel something unfamiliar that was very physically disorienting and made me wonder about " gasses " released or magnetic field or something. (had Zero actual Scientific knowledge about it). That was in October. By early 90, I had so many systems in crisis...severe infections, dental crisis, brain scramble, weakness, hair falling out, muscle, joint, nerve pain...every cell in my body felt like it was disintegrating. When I later entered an illness support group, and met others with CFS, all agreed that tho aready ill, after the Earthquake was severe decline. (None have ever recovered to pre-Earthquake state). We could see that the trauma/stress could have done it, but others also said there was a physical/environmental element present. I had forgotten about this until you brought it up. I have never followed through with what was at play then, environmentally. But I have a terriblly physically disoriented reaction to Earthquakes, not present before CFS. Katrina > > Blake, > > I forgot to mention > > GEOPATHIC STRESS > > It's very real. My onset came on with a number of earthquakes in the > immediate vicinity of where I live. > > paul > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 B. Blake Levitt talks about this in her book, Electromagnetic Fields. I believe I posted a quote about it a while back. Actually, when I originally went to see my alternative doctor, Dr. Yayama, he was able to detect this somehow with his Zero Search machine. paul > > > > Blake, > > > > I forgot to mention > > > > GEOPATHIC STRESS > > > > It's very real. My onset came on with a number of earthquakes in the > > immediate vicinity of where I live. > > > > paul > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 On Jul 11, 2006, at 3:02 AM, kattemayo wrote: > > A few things about Earthquake exposure: > > A few years after my 1st CFS onset, but then managing to push/force > through Life and work, I was again worsening and seeking answers to > the still un-diagnosed mystery. > Then, I was near the epicenter when the 7.1 Loma Prieta Earthquake > struck. I was in isolated area with a baby in my care and a house > falling apart. > A Trauma counselor said I was " massively exposed " . > I was, and nerves were certainly on edge. > But, during the hundreds of after shocks, I remember trying to > explain to my Dad that I was not only having a stress reaction, but > I could feel something unfamiliar that was very physically > disorienting and made me wonder about " gasses " released or magnetic > field or something. (had Zero actual Scientific knowledge about > it). That was in October. By early 90, I had so many systems in > crisis...severe infections, dental crisis, brain scramble, > weakness, hair falling out, muscle, joint, nerve pain...every cell > in my body felt like it was disintegrating. > > When I later entered an illness support group, and met others with > CFS, all agreed that tho aready ill, after the Earthquake was > severe decline. (None have ever recovered to pre-Earthquake state). > We could see that the trauma/stress could have done it, but others > also said there was a physical/environmental element present. > > I had forgotten about this until you brought it up. I have never > followed through with what was at play then, environmentally. But I > have a terriblly physically disoriented reaction to Earthquakes, > not present before CFS. I was north of Half Moon Bay at the time, in a house less than two miles from the faultline. And, yeah, I went straight to bed for three months afterward -- though I chalked that up to being six weeks pregnant. I literally slept for the next three months solid. Never thought of it as being related to the quake, but it's possible. On the other hand, I'd already been seriously sick for four years at that point. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Sara, That must have been a tough time for you after the earthquake and feeling so bad. I am wondering, and I hope you don't mind my asking, but is that baby okay? a Carnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 On Jul 11, 2006, at 9:25 AM, a Carnes wrote: > Sara, > > That must have been a tough time for you after the earthquake and > feeling so > bad. I am wondering, and I hope you don't mind my asking, but is > that baby > okay? Baby girl is fabulous. Turned 16 last week, looks like Liv Tyler, gifted filmmaker and artist, natural-born psychologist, and simply one of the most wise, observant, and wry human beings I've ever been honored to know. Raising her has been a completely joy. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 , Sounds like you need to practice earthquake avoidance. :-). --Kurt Re: CFS triggers. Blake, I forgot to mention GEOPATHIC STRESS It's very real. My onset came on with a number of earthquakes in the immediate vicinity of where I live. paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Katrina, I'm so sorry you had to go through that! I know anything stressful at all makes me a lot worse. I hope you're feeling better now. Sue > > > A few things about Earthquake exposure: > > A few years after my 1st CFS onset, but then managing to push/force through Life and work, I was again worsening and seeking answers to the still un-diagnosed mystery. > Then, I was near the epicenter when the 7.1 Loma Prieta Earthquake struck. I was in isolated area with a baby in my care and a house falling apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 , So sorry you have to live in an area where you have to worry about that. I know stress always makes my CFS and Fibro. worse. Sue > > Blake, > > I forgot to mention > > GEOPATHIC STRESS > > It's very real. My onset came on with a number of earthquakes in the > immediate vicinity of where I live. > > paul > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Wonderful!!!! Good for both of you, Sara. BTW the doc in Vancouver, Dr. B is using antibiotics. He may be a naturopath but he is also somewhat mainstream when he thinks it makes sense. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Sue, It is part of the Japan package I guess. But I definitely do not feel good in this apartment. I am presently looking to relocate. The electrosmog in Japan I think is one of the worst places in the world for that. paul > > > > Blake, > > > > I forgot to mention > > > > GEOPATHIC STRESS > > > > It's very real. My onset came on with a number of earthquakes in the > > immediate vicinity of where I live. > > > > paul > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 , Do you have grounding pads or other ways of getting grounded? Being grounded is almost as good as EMF blocking sometimes for me. --Kurt Re: CFS triggers. Sue, It is part of the Japan package I guess. But I definitely do not feel good in this apartment. I am presently looking to relocate. The electrosmog in Japan I think is one of the worst places in the world for that. paul > > > > Blake, > > > > I forgot to mention > > > > GEOPATHIC STRESS > > > > It's very real. My onset came on with a number of earthquakes in the > > immediate vicinity of where I live. > > > > paul > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Kurt, I've been looking for non-rubber sole shoes. My alternative doctor and everyone in his clinic where " zoori " or straw sandals. When I go into see him next I am planning on inquiring where I can get a pair. Besides that, I have grounded the silver-lined mesh that we have covering out windows by connecting it to a copper wire and then running it outside to a metal pipe inserted into the ground. I don't like to go outside here because the amount of electrosmog is pretty high but when I get a chance to get out in the country and in nature I try to practice Qi gong in my bare feet - and that makes me feel pretty good. paul > > > > > > Blake, > > > > > > I forgot to mention > > > > > > GEOPATHIC STRESS > > > > > > It's very real. My onset came on with a number of earthquakes in > the > > > immediate vicinity of where I live. > > > > > > paul > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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