Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 If you suspect candida to be an issue - look into ways of raising glutathione bfore adding other supps to knockout candida and other pathogens. regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Hello, I have been trying to self-diagnose for years before being 'officially' diagnosed with CFS. Most of my findings connected the overgrowth of candida with my symptoms (and often with CFS). My current doctor, when I asked him, said that candidiasis is an outdated idea... basically BS! Whenever I do an online search for CFS, candida always pops up profusely. What are the thoughts regarding the candida/CFS connection with most CFS specialists? Should I go ahead and treat for Candida? Sorry to be such a pain in the butt, but it just seems there is so much conflicting opinion regarding this thing! Thanks, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 hi blake i had candida for 11 years cant get rid of it and cfs for 4 years thanks lavinia in the uk --- Blake Graham <blanket@...> wrote: > Hi , > > Yeast (of which candida is one type) is one factor > in many peoples CFS, although it is certainly not a > huge factor in the majority of cases. It is > secondary to a variety of factors which impair gut > function and immune function. A long term goal is to > get rid of the predisposing factors, although a > periodic diagnostic trial of three weeks or more of > effective anti-yeast treatments may be worthwhile. > > Blake > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ___________________________________________________________ The all-new goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Thank you, Blake and CS. > > If you suspect candida to be an issue - look into ways of raising > glutathione bfore adding other supps to knockout candida and other pathogens. > > regards > CS > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Hi Steve, Candida treatment was fashionable in the 80's for treating M.E. before the concept of CFS was invented. My own experience was that it was vastly over-hyped. There were books claiming that Candida was responsible for all sorts of illnesses and symptoms. In my M.E. support group we used diet and drugs to treat Candida. There were no miracle cures and no massive improvements in health. In fact some of the drugs made us even sicker with no benefits. In my own case treating Candida helped with problems with thrush but this appeared to be a secondary problem. By all means give treatment a try if you want to. We are all so different it is impossible to tell what the result will be. You may find that some fungal problems on your body are helped. Good luck! Kindest regards, Annette --------------------------------- The all-new goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 I too travelled this route on 2 occasions - neither of which I initiated and each time I felt substantially worse. Everyone says to give it a 'good go' for at least 6 months (which I did) but really felt awful. I started to improve back to my prior 'par' almost as soon as I stopped the diet. Rosie Hi Steve, Candida treatment was fashionable in the 80's for treating M.E. before the concept of CFS was invented. My own experience was that it was vastly over-hyped. There were books claiming that Candida was responsible for all sorts of illnesses and symptoms. In my M.E. support group we used diet and drugs to treat Candida. There were no miracle cures and no massive improvements in health. In fact some of the drugs made us even sicker with no benefits. In my own case treating Candida helped with problems with thrush but this appeared to be a secondary problem. By all means give treatment a try if you want to. We are all so different it is impossible to tell what the result will be. You may find that some fungal problems on your body are helped. Good luck! Kindest regards, Annette --------------------------------- The all-new goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 I was lucky-at the urging of an acquaintance I went to a specialist who could smell if you had it, and she immediately ruled it out in my case. RE: candida treatment? I too travelled this route on 2 occasions - neither of which I initiated and each time I felt substantially worse. Everyone says to give it a 'good go' for at least 6 months (which I did) but really felt awful. I started to improve back to my prior 'par' almost as soon as I stopped the diet. Rosie Hi Steve, Candida treatment was fashionable in the 80's for treating M.E. before the concept of CFS was invented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Candida " diets " are often waaaay too restrictive -- I think that's why folks feel worse -- their bodies are crying out for sufficient nutrients and natural carbs. I read an article not long ago that said the GOOD bacteria need some complex carbs in order to fight the bad bugs. Some diets also cut out all yeasts, ignoring the fact that there are good yeasts and bad. Also just in the last few years they know now that certain minerals like molybdenum help lower the ammonia levels produced during the so-called die-off stage... d. > > > I too travelled this route on 2 occasions - neither of which I initiated > and each time I felt substantially worse. Everyone says to give it a > 'good go' for at least 6 months (which I did) but really felt awful. I > started to improve back to my prior 'par' almost as soon as I stopped > the diet. > > Rosie > Hi Steve, > > Candida treatment was fashionable in the 80's for treating M.E. before > the concept of CFS was invented. > > My own experience was that it was vastly over-hyped. There were books > claiming that Candida was responsible for all sorts of illnesses and > symptoms. > > In my M.E. support group we used diet and drugs to treat Candida. There > were no miracle cures and no massive improvements in health. In fact > some of the drugs made us even sicker with no benefits. > > In my own case treating Candida helped with problems with thrush but > this appeared to be a secondary problem. > > By all means give treatment a try if you want to. We are all so > different it is impossible to tell what the result will be. You may find > that some fungal problems on your body are helped. > > Good luck! > > Kindest regards, > Annette > > > --------------------------------- > The all-new goes wherever you go - free your email address > from your Internet provider. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Hi , Yeast (of which candida is one type) is one factor in many peoples CFS, although it is certainly not a huge factor in the majority of cases. It is secondary to a variety of factors which impair gut function and immune function. A long term goal is to get rid of the predisposing factors, although a periodic diagnostic trial of three weeks or more of effective anti-yeast treatments may be worthwhile. Blake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Hello responders, I have treated myself for candida twice now for about 2-4 months at a time, and never felt better for it. I thought maybe I needed to be serious and do a full year. Misery! I think I'll stick to a balanced diet (looking for intolerances and allergies--most of which I think I've found), stay off the prozac, and look for a source of this glutathione stuff. Thanks kindly, Steve > > > I too travelled this route on 2 occasions - neither of which I initiated > and each time I felt substantially worse. Everyone says to give it a > 'good go' for at least 6 months (which I did) but really felt awful. I > started to improve back to my prior 'par' almost as soon as I stopped > the diet. > > Rosie > Hi Steve, > > Candida treatment was fashionable in the 80's for treating M.E. before > the concept of CFS was invented. > > My own experience was that it was vastly over-hyped. There were books > claiming that Candida was responsible for all sorts of illnesses and > symptoms. > > In my M.E. support group we used diet and drugs to treat Candida. There > were no miracle cures and no massive improvements in health. In fact > some of the drugs made us even sicker with no benefits. > > Kindest regards, > Annette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Hi Steve and others, I tried the whole anti-yeast diet/difulcan-nystatin/supplemtns for a strict six months early on in my disease and it only made me worse and not one ounce better. I think gluten senitivity and/or more specific food allergies is a better route if one is looking at how diet may play a role. Gena --- stevenhorr <sonofdelbert@...> wrote: > Hello responders, > > I have treated myself for candida twice now for > about 2-4 months at > a time, and never felt better for it. I thought > maybe I needed to be > serious and do a full year. Misery! I think I'll > stick to a balanced > diet (looking for intolerances and allergies--most > of which I think > I've found), stay off the prozac, and look for a > source of this > glutathione stuff. > > Thanks kindly, > Steve > > > > > > > > > I too travelled this route on 2 occasions - > neither of which I > initiated > > and each time I felt substantially worse. > Everyone says to give > it a > > 'good go' for at least 6 months (which I did) but > really felt > awful. I > > started to improve back to my prior 'par' almost > as soon as I > stopped > > the diet. > > > > Rosie > > Hi Steve, > > > > Candida treatment was fashionable in the 80's for > treating M.E. > before > > the concept of CFS was invented. > > > > My own experience was that it was vastly > over-hyped. There were > books > > claiming that Candida was responsible for all > sorts of illnesses > and > > symptoms. > > > > In my M.E. support group we used diet and drugs to > treat Candida. > There > > were no miracle cures and no massive improvements > in health. In > fact > > some of the drugs made us even sicker with no > benefits. > > > > > Kindest regards, > > Annette > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Hi Steve, Question: If you can have a healthy skepticism about the drug industry and pharmaceutical companies in this country, as you've stated before, why can't you have the same healthy skepticism about the food industry? A few months ago, maybe three or four, right here on this list, someone said that lab rats left alone with commercial margarine wouldn't touch it. Don't quote me, because I don't know the specifics, whichever study the opinion was based on. The truth of the statement went zinging home for me, though. Mice refuse margarine? And the grocery stores are doing me a favor by charging me a dollar for a pound of this " wonder substance " ? In addition to tossing aspartame and other food additives, I tossed the margarine and went to all coconut oil and butter. If you need further confirmation of your body and its functioning being a result of what you toss into it, do some research on Rumsafeld heading the G.D. Searle company when aspartame was shuttled through to acceptance. When you're done with that bit of research, take that as a " par " for the rest of the industries. I used to love (LUV) the original diet Pepsi. The one with the other nasty substance in it -- saccharine. I got used to the diet Pepsi with the aspartame. Now I purchase and drink neither, and I'm better for it. I'm an old fuddy-duddy who makes her own ginger tea, and I'm much better for it. I've been treating my systemic fungal infection solely by watching food intake (avoiding all additives) and also ingesting herbals. My gut operation is better. (Think of how your gut operates and relate that to absorbance of food and nutrients. If your gut is crappy, what do you think your absorbance of nutrients is going to be?) I've been doing this since early spring, probably at least four months now. I am without even a doctor right now and can't afford the " luxuries " of the pharmaceutical industry. Are they such luxuries and wondrous concoctions? Yes, for some, some of them are. But even for any benefit of any pharmaceutical, you are going to have to get your digestion in order, so to absorb the stuff properly. A side benefit to me of doing what I've been doing for the previous few months is that my brain function has improved noticeably and I can think better and express myself more clearly. What kind of a tradeoff is " potato chips and soft drinks " versus " brain function " when it comes down to it? I'll take the brain function everytime -- and also my distrust of not only the pharmaceutical companies but also distrust of the food and beverage industries too. How much of your life to you have in front of you, and how do you want to spend that time? That's what it came down to, for me. What does it come down to, for you? I am wishing you healthier and better feeling days ahead. in Champaign IL > > Hello responders, > > I have treated myself for candida twice now for about 2-4 months at > a time, and never felt better for it. I thought maybe I needed to be > serious and do a full year. Misery! I think I'll stick to a balanced > diet (looking for intolerances and allergies--most of which I think > I've found), stay off the prozac, and look for a source of this > glutathione stuff. > > Thanks kindly, > Steve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Steve I wiped out my candida easily in around 4 months in total. I first built up glutathione via whey protein for 3 months and then used Cocnut oil for 4 weeks. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 hi blake i had candida for 11 years cant get rid of it and cfs for 4 years thanks lavinia in the uk ** You may need to raise glutathione levels first. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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