Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Again, this is only if they know and they don't have access to your medical records. And many are in the same situation as . Our beliefs do change with new information. So, don't worry about it. What state are you in? Sheri > > > Hi Group- > > > > > > I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm (Vaccinations: A > > Thoughtful > > > Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that some people > who > > do > > > no other vaccinations will still choose to do tetanus. The > > reasoning > > > appears to be that it has one of the lowest incidents of side > > effects, > > > and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and often fatal > > > infection. > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just to do > > tetanus? > > > I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides - > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Actually it does happen all the time. And vaxs can be gotten at many health departments. But again, I am not promoting this...........as all vaccines are dangerous Sheri - In Vaccinations , Anita Durney <mydurney@y...> wrote: > Hi , > Get caught and your child will be faced with an onslaught of vaccines.......... then what? The likelihood of getting a doctor to give you one shot without requesting your childs vax records first is zero and none. > I have never heard of anyone selectively choosing vaccines with ANY type of exemption. Doesn't mean it can't happen. I think some doctors play this game of selection with their own children and get away with it. > > Anita > > > Thode <tracythode@y...> wrote: > But, if you use a philiosophical exemption, is that still true? > And besides, if you choose to get some and not others..who knows? If > you get none..and then want ONE..get it at another doctor's office and > don't get the record transferred..? > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > , 13mos > See him at <http://www.tabulas.com/~wanderings/gallery/48269/> > http://www.tabulas.com/~wanderings/gallery/48269/ > > Re: Re: tetanus vaccination > > , > > I know that in NC it's all or nothing. I can stop at any point with a > religious exemption, but I cannot selectively vaccinate past this point. > If I were to give my daughter another vaccine (and I'm not) she'd have > to get all of them. > > Check with your state. > > Sheri B. > > <jljhall@s...> wrote: > Why not? Are you saying a parent can not selectively vaccinate > their child? In all states? > > Again, referring to the book " Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parents > Guide " , pg. 135, author states: > > " Consent implies that parents have the following choices: > > -To vaccinate their child(ren) fully > -To vaccinate their child(ren) selectively > -To decline all vaccinations > > Parents have the legal right to make any of these choices. " > > What about parents that started out getting shots for their kids, > but then decided to stop (like me)? > > > > > > Hi Group- > > > > > > I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm (Vaccinations: A > > Thoughtful > > > Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that some people > who > > do > > > no other vaccinations will still choose to do tetanus. The > > reasoning > > > appears to be that it has one of the lowest incidents of side > > effects, > > > and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and often fatal > > > infection. > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just to do > > tetanus? > > > I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides - > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I would contact those in Illinois that work with this all the time - some of the vaccine groups Sheri > > > > Hi Group- > > > > > > > > I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm (Vaccinations: A > > > Thoughtful > > > > Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that some people > > who > > > do > > > > no other vaccinations will still choose to do tetanus. The > > > reasoning > > > > appears to be that it has one of the lowest incidents of side > > > effects, > > > > and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and often fatal > > > > infection. > > > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just to do > > > tetanus? > > > > I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides - > > > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Well, you could always homeschool if that ever happens. It's not like they're going to send someone to your house and force you to vaccinate your kids. > > > > Hi Group- > > > > > > > > I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm (Vaccinations: A > > > Thoughtful > > > > Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that some people > > who > > > do > > > > no other vaccinations will still choose to do tetanus. The > > > reasoning > > > > appears to be that it has one of the lowest incidents of side > > > effects, > > > > and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and often fatal > > > > infection. > > > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just to do > > > tetanus? > > > > I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides - > > > > > > > > Thanks much, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 At 01:04 AM 9/20/2005 -0000, you wrote: >Well, you could always homeschool if that ever happens. It's not >like they're going to send someone to your house and force you to >vaccinate your kids. Well, actually they do - in NY and other states, children have been taken from parents by CPS and vaccinated. Sheri > > >> Sheri- >> >> Just curious, but who would make her " get all of them " ? Do you >mean >> she would have to get all of them to stay in school? > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 hmm...doesn't make much sense to me. I wonder if those cases had other issues involved (some type of neglect), and that's how they stumbled on the no-vax issue. On the IL Vaccine Awareness Coalition (IVAC) website, www.vaccineawareness.org, they had the following regarding this issue: " The Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS) removes all references to immunizations from the allagation of medical neglect. Effective October 1, 2001 10/22/2001 Faxed to BARBARA MULLARKEY Illinois Department Of Children & Family Services, Legislation 406 E. Monroe, Springfield,IL 62701 Phone: (217): 785-2504 Fax: (217) 785- 8068 The Joint Committee on Admininstrative Rules (JCAR) has approved the Department's changes to Administrative Rule 300. This was effective October 1, 2001. Allegation #79 - Medical Neglect - has had all references to immunizations removed. Therefore, we will no longer be accepting reports on situations where a lack of immunizations is the only allegation. State Central Registry (SCR) staff should refer reporters to the Department of Public Health. Child Protection Investigators (CPs) who are currently investigating reports where a lack of immunizations is the only allegation should " Initiallly Unfound " them if they are still within the 14 day timeframe. If not, supervisors should review the reports and waive additional contacts so they can be Unfounded. Exceptions should be made if the investigation has revealed other potential harms. " So, in IL at least, it appears you have to be doing something else wrong to get DCFS on your back, it can't be just for no-vax. > >> Sheri- > >> > >> Just curious, but who would make her " get all of them " ? Do you > >mean > >> she would have to get all of them to stay in school? > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > vaccineinfo@t... voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL > OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > ****** > " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. > Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy > knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information > and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 I thot that was in that book but I also read his newsletters so maybe it was in one of those or maybe off a website? And he was featured in Dissent in Medicine but not featured about vaxxes. Moskowitz was and has this to say " not made from living...tetanus organisms, but from only certain toxins " elaborated by them;...do not protect against infection per se, but only against the systematic action of the original poisons in the absence of which both [also included diptheria] infections are of minor importance clinically....what...has produced is not a genuine immunity...but rather some sort of chronic immune tolerance to it, by harboring highly antigenic residues somewhere within the cells of the immune system, probably with long-term suppressive effects on the immune mechanism generally...survives for years or decades as a potent foreign antibody, with long-term effects on the immune system and elsewhere that are incalculable " Laurie>Oh -- Re: tetanus vaccination Laurie - is that from his book " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor " ? I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 At 01:41 AM 9/20/2005 -0000, you wrote: >hmm...doesn't make much sense to me. I wonder if those cases had >other issues involved (some type of neglect), and that's how they >stumbled on the no-vax issue. Possibly some, but I hear of many in my work and it is for NOT vaxing (anyone can report anyone and judges can do what they want in many cases) > >On the IL Vaccine Awareness Coalition (IVAC) website, >www.vaccineawareness.org, they had the following regarding this >issue: > > " The Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS) removes all >references to immunizations from the allagation of medical neglect. >Effective October 1, 2001 Good to hear that! Thanks for sharing it Sheri > >10/22/2001 Faxed to BARBARA MULLARKEY > >Illinois Department Of Children & Family Services, Legislation > >406 E. Monroe, Springfield,IL 62701 >Phone: (217): 785-2504 >Fax: (217) 785- 8068 -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Laurie, Just the thought of harbouring highly antigenic residues SOMEWHERE within the cells of the immune system without even aquiring a genuine immunity gives me the creeps. Chronic immune tolerence sounds even creepier. When disease sets in, whether immediate or long term, no possible connections are ever looked into much less made. Anita BirthWarrior <llandes1@...> wrote: I thot that was in that book but I also read his newsletters so maybe it was in one of those or maybe off a website? And he was featured in Dissent in Medicine but not featured about vaxxes. Moskowitz was and has this to say " not made from living...tetanus organisms, but from only certain toxins " elaborated by them;...do not protect against infection per se, but only against the systematic action of the original poisons in the absence of which both [also included diptheria] infections are of minor importance clinically....what...has produced is not a genuine immunity...but rather some sort of chronic immune tolerance to it, by harboring highly antigenic residues somewhere within the cells of the immune system, probably with long-term suppressive effects on the immune mechanism generally...survives for years or decades as a potent foreign antibody, with long-term effects on the immune system and elsewhere that are incalculable " Laurie>Oh -- Re: tetanus vaccination Laurie - is that from his book " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor " ? I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 I also have read the book by aviva Jill Romm on Vaccinations. I only wanted to get my son Rowan who is now almost 15 months the tetanus vaccination. I got a hold of a homeopathic doctor and asked him about it and he told me you can only get the tetanus shot with the dtap since they cannot distribute the tetanus shot in such low doses or some weird crap like that. So I wish I could have only gotten my son Tetanus but I am just trying to be very careful and clean all his wounds out with peroxide. Much love, Chirsta --- <jljhall@...> wrote: > Hi Group- > > I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm > (Vaccinations: A Thoughtful > Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that > some people who do > no other vaccinations will still choose to do > tetanus. The reasoning > appears to be that it has one of the lowest > incidents of side effects, > and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and > often fatal > infection. > > I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just > to do tetanus? > I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides - > > Thanks much, > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 At 01:23 PM 9/20/2005 -0700, you wrote: > >I also have read the book by aviva Jill Romm on >Vaccinations. I only wanted to get my son Rowan who is >now almost 15 months the tetanus vaccination. I got a >hold of a homeopathic doctor and asked him about it >and he told me you can only get the tetanus shot with >the dtap since they cannot distribute the tetanus shot >in such low doses or some weird crap like that. So I >wish I could have only gotten my son Tetanus but I am >just trying to be very careful and clean all his >wounds out with peroxide. ONLY tetanus is stil very dangerous as we have been saying in the emails on this subject Check out my webpages http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm And I'll send more. Clean out wounds with soap and water, let bleed, peroxide too. And Ledum homeopathically is helpful. There is such a low incidence of so-called tetanus and there is no diagnostic test for it so who knows if people they say have tetanus even have it. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Just a quick question about the tetanus vax, when people go for their 10 yr (?) booster or when they want to jab you after an injury, are they actually giving the DTP or is this just tetanus? Thanks Deb > > > Hi Group- > > > > I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm > > (Vaccinations: A Thoughtful > > Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that > > some people who do > > no other vaccinations will still choose to do > > tetanus. The reasoning > > appears to be that it has one of the lowest > > incidents of side effects, > > and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and > > often fatal > > infection. > > > > I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just > > to do tetanus? > > I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides - > > > > Thanks much, > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 It's a dT (diphtheria and tetanus) vax. Kay Re: tetanus vaccination Just a quick question about the tetanus vax, when people go for their 10 yr (?) booster or when they want to jab you after an injury, are they actually giving the DTP or is this just tetanus? Thanks Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Wow Kay, I didn't know that. My husband was in a minor car accident and got a few cuts (nothing deep). The hospital wanted to give him a tetanus shot, he refused and they sent him home without even cleaning the wound. So much for preventing infection; absolutely unbelieveable! Anita KPhilpot <KPhilpot@...> wrote: It's a dT (diphtheria and tetanus) vax. Kay Re: tetanus vaccination Just a quick question about the tetanus vax, when people go for their 10 yr (?) booster or when they want to jab you after an injury, are they actually giving the DTP or is this just tetanus? Thanks Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 I just checked my PDR. Actually it's the Td they give (I had my letters backwards! LOL) This DOES contain thimerosal. It says " Immunization of persons 7 years of age and older may be accomplished by the use of Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids Adsorbed for Adult Use (Td), Tetanus Toxoid Adsorbed, or Tetanus Toxoid Fluid. The Immunization Practices Advisory Committee of the U.S. Public Health Service recommends the use of the combined toxoids vaccine rather than single component vaccines for both primary and booster injections, including active tetanus immunization in wound management. Individuals for whom the use of a vaccine containing diphtheria toxoid is contraindicated should receive a single-component tetanus toxoid-containing vaccine. " Great hospital, Anita... sending a patient home without cleaning his wounds. Oh, well, he's probably better off doing it at home anyway. Who knows WHAT kind of nasties would be introduced into the wound in the hospital! Kay Re: Re: tetanus vaccination Wow Kay, I didn't know that. My husband was in a minor car accident and got a few cuts (nothing deep). The hospital wanted to give him a tetanus shot, he refused and they sent him home without even cleaning the wound. So much for preventing infection; absolutely unbelieveable! Anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 I have a question about wound care and using hydrogen peroxide. My belief was that hydrogen peroxide kills bacteria (is this not true?) but if the bacteria are there to clean up, then why would we want to kill them?? Deb > It's a dT (diphtheria and tetanus) vax. > > Kay > Re: tetanus vaccination > > > Just a quick question about the tetanus vax, when people go for > their 10 yr (?) booster or when they want to jab you after an > injury, are they actually giving the DTP or is this just tetanus? > > Thanks Deb > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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