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Again, this is only if they know and they don't have access to your

medical records. And many are in the same situation as . Our

beliefs do change with new information.

So, don't worry about it. What state are you in?

Sheri

> > > Hi Group-

> > >

> > > I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm (Vaccinations: A

> > Thoughtful

> > > Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that some people

> who

> > do

> > > no other vaccinations will still choose to do tetanus. The

> > reasoning

> > > appears to be that it has one of the lowest incidents of side

> > effects,

> > > and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and often fatal

> > > infection.

> > >

> > > I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just to do

> > tetanus?

> > > I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides -

> > >

> > > Thanks much,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Actually it does happen all the time. And vaxs can be gotten at many

health departments. But again, I am not promoting this...........as

all vaccines are dangerous

Sheri

- In Vaccinations , Anita Durney <mydurney@y...> wrote:

> Hi ,

> Get caught and your child will be faced with an onslaught of

vaccines.......... then what? The likelihood of getting a doctor to

give you one shot without requesting your childs vax records first is

zero and none.

> I have never heard of anyone selectively choosing vaccines with ANY

type of exemption. Doesn't mean it can't happen. I think some doctors

play this game of selection with their own children and get away with it.

>

> Anita

>

>

> Thode <tracythode@y...> wrote:

> But, if you use a philiosophical exemption, is that still true?

> And besides, if you choose to get some and not others..who knows? If

> you get none..and then want ONE..get it at another doctor's office and

> don't get the record transferred..?

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> , 13mos

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>

> Re: Re: tetanus vaccination

>

> ,

>

> I know that in NC it's all or nothing. I can stop at any point with a

> religious exemption, but I cannot selectively vaccinate past this point.

> If I were to give my daughter another vaccine (and I'm not) she'd have

> to get all of them.

>

> Check with your state.

>

> Sheri B.

>

> <jljhall@s...> wrote:

> Why not? Are you saying a parent can not selectively vaccinate

> their child? In all states?

>

> Again, referring to the book " Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parents

> Guide " , pg. 135, author states:

>

> " Consent implies that parents have the following choices:

>

> -To vaccinate their child(ren) fully

> -To vaccinate their child(ren) selectively

> -To decline all vaccinations

>

> Parents have the legal right to make any of these choices. "

>

> What about parents that started out getting shots for their kids,

> but then decided to stop (like me)?

>

>

>

> > > Hi Group-

> > >

> > > I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm (Vaccinations: A

> > Thoughtful

> > > Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that some people

> who

> > do

> > > no other vaccinations will still choose to do tetanus. The

> > reasoning

> > > appears to be that it has one of the lowest incidents of side

> > effects,

> > > and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and often fatal

> > > infection.

> > >

> > > I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just to do

> > tetanus?

> > > I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides -

> > >

> > > Thanks much,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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I would contact those in Illinois that work with this all the time -

some of the vaccine groups

Sheri

> > > > Hi Group-

> > > >

> > > > I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm (Vaccinations: A

> > > Thoughtful

> > > > Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that some people

> > who

> > > do

> > > > no other vaccinations will still choose to do tetanus. The

> > > reasoning

> > > > appears to be that it has one of the lowest incidents of side

> > > effects,

> > > > and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and often fatal

> > > > infection.

> > > >

> > > > I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just to do

> > > tetanus?

> > > > I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides -

> > > >

> > > > Thanks much,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Well, you could always homeschool if that ever happens. It's not

like they're going to send someone to your house and force you to

vaccinate your kids.

> > > > Hi Group-

> > > >

> > > > I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm (Vaccinations: A

> > > Thoughtful

> > > > Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that some

people

> > who

> > > do

> > > > no other vaccinations will still choose to do tetanus. The

> > > reasoning

> > > > appears to be that it has one of the lowest incidents of

side

> > > effects,

> > > > and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and often

fatal

> > > > infection.

> > > >

> > > > I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just to do

> > > tetanus?

> > > > I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides -

> > > >

> > > > Thanks much,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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At 01:04 AM 9/20/2005 -0000, you wrote:

>Well, you could always homeschool if that ever happens. It's not

>like they're going to send someone to your house and force you to

>vaccinate your kids.

Well, actually they do - in NY and other states, children have been taken

from parents by CPS and vaccinated.

Sheri

>

>

>> Sheri-

>>

>> Just curious, but who would make her " get all of them " ? Do you

>mean

>> she would have to get all of them to stay in school?

>

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OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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hmm...doesn't make much sense to me. I wonder if those cases had

other issues involved (some type of neglect), and that's how they

stumbled on the no-vax issue.

On the IL Vaccine Awareness Coalition (IVAC) website,

www.vaccineawareness.org, they had the following regarding this

issue:

" The Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS) removes all

references to immunizations from the allagation of medical neglect.

Effective October 1, 2001

10/22/2001 Faxed to BARBARA MULLARKEY

Illinois Department Of Children & Family Services, Legislation

406 E. Monroe, Springfield,IL 62701

Phone: (217): 785-2504

Fax: (217) 785- 8068

The Joint Committee on Admininstrative Rules (JCAR) has approved the

Department's changes to Administrative Rule 300. This was effective

October 1, 2001.

Allegation #79 - Medical Neglect - has had all references to

immunizations removed. Therefore, we will no longer be accepting

reports on situations where a lack of immunizations is the only

allegation. State Central Registry (SCR) staff should refer

reporters to the Department of Public Health. Child Protection

Investigators (CPs) who are currently investigating reports where a

lack of immunizations is the only allegation should " Initiallly

Unfound " them if they are still within the 14 day timeframe. If not,

supervisors should review the reports and waive additional contacts

so they can be Unfounded. Exceptions should be made if the

investigation has revealed other potential harms. "

So, in IL at least, it appears you have to be doing something else

wrong to get DCFS on your back, it can't be just for no-vax.

> >> Sheri-

> >>

> >> Just curious, but who would make her " get all of them " ? Do you

> >mean

> >> she would have to get all of them to stay in school?

> >

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@t... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

> OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS

ALONE.

> ******

> " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside

down.

> Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities

destroy

> knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy

information

> and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

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I thot that was in that book but I also read his newsletters so maybe it was

in one of those or maybe off a website? And he was featured in Dissent in

Medicine but not featured about vaxxes. Moskowitz was and has this

to say " not made from living...tetanus organisms, but from only certain

toxins " elaborated by them;...do not protect against infection per se, but

only against the systematic action of the original poisons in the absence of

which both [also included diptheria] infections are of minor importance

clinically....what...has produced is not a genuine immunity...but rather

some sort of chronic immune tolerance to it, by harboring highly antigenic

residues somewhere within the cells of the immune system, probably with

long-term suppressive effects on the immune mechanism generally...survives

for years or decades as a potent foreign antibody, with long-term effects on

the immune system and elsewhere that are incalculable "

Laurie>Oh

-- Re: tetanus vaccination

Laurie - is that from his book " How to Raise a Healthy Child in

Spite of Your Doctor " ? I

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At 01:41 AM 9/20/2005 -0000, you wrote:

>hmm...doesn't make much sense to me. I wonder if those cases had

>other issues involved (some type of neglect), and that's how they

>stumbled on the no-vax issue.

Possibly some, but I hear of many in my work and it is for NOT vaxing

(anyone can report anyone and judges can do what they want in many cases)

>

>On the IL Vaccine Awareness Coalition (IVAC) website,

>www.vaccineawareness.org, they had the following regarding this

>issue:

>

> " The Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS) removes all

>references to immunizations from the allagation of medical neglect.

>Effective October 1, 2001

Good to hear that!

Thanks for sharing it

Sheri

>

>10/22/2001 Faxed to BARBARA MULLARKEY

>

>Illinois Department Of Children & Family Services, Legislation

>

>406 E. Monroe, Springfield,IL 62701

>Phone: (217): 785-2504

>Fax: (217) 785- 8068

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

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Laurie,

Just the thought of harbouring highly antigenic residues SOMEWHERE within the

cells of the immune system without even aquiring a genuine immunity gives me the

creeps. Chronic immune tolerence sounds even creepier. When disease sets in,

whether immediate or long term, no possible connections are ever looked into

much less made.

Anita

BirthWarrior <llandes1@...> wrote:

I thot that was in that book but I also read his newsletters so maybe it was

in one of those or maybe off a website? And he was featured in Dissent in

Medicine but not featured about vaxxes. Moskowitz was and has this

to say " not made from living...tetanus organisms, but from only certain

toxins " elaborated by them;...do not protect against infection per se, but

only against the systematic action of the original poisons in the absence of

which both [also included diptheria] infections are of minor importance

clinically....what...has produced is not a genuine immunity...but rather

some sort of chronic immune tolerance to it, by harboring highly antigenic

residues somewhere within the cells of the immune system, probably with

long-term suppressive effects on the immune mechanism generally...survives

for years or decades as a potent foreign antibody, with long-term effects on

the immune system and elsewhere that are incalculable "

Laurie>Oh

-- Re: tetanus vaccination

Laurie - is that from his book " How to Raise a Healthy Child in

Spite of Your Doctor " ? I

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I also have read the book by aviva Jill Romm on

Vaccinations. I only wanted to get my son Rowan who is

now almost 15 months the tetanus vaccination. I got a

hold of a homeopathic doctor and asked him about it

and he told me you can only get the tetanus shot with

the dtap since they cannot distribute the tetanus shot

in such low doses or some weird crap like that. So I

wish I could have only gotten my son Tetanus but I am

just trying to be very careful and clean all his

wounds out with peroxide.

Much love,

Chirsta

--- <jljhall@...> wrote:

> Hi Group-

>

> I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm

> (Vaccinations: A Thoughtful

> Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that

> some people who do

> no other vaccinations will still choose to do

> tetanus. The reasoning

> appears to be that it has one of the lowest

> incidents of side effects,

> and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and

> often fatal

> infection.

>

> I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just

> to do tetanus?

> I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides -

>

> Thanks much,

>

>

>

>

>

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At 01:23 PM 9/20/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>

>I also have read the book by aviva Jill Romm on

>Vaccinations. I only wanted to get my son Rowan who is

>now almost 15 months the tetanus vaccination. I got a

>hold of a homeopathic doctor and asked him about it

>and he told me you can only get the tetanus shot with

>the dtap since they cannot distribute the tetanus shot

>in such low doses or some weird crap like that. So I

>wish I could have only gotten my son Tetanus but I am

>just trying to be very careful and clean all his

>wounds out with peroxide.

ONLY tetanus is stil very dangerous as we have been saying in the emails on

this subject

Check out my webpages

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm

And I'll send more.

Clean out wounds with soap and water, let bleed, peroxide too.

And Ledum homeopathically is helpful.

There is such a low incidence of so-called tetanus and there is no

diagnostic test for it so who knows if people they say have tetanus even

have it.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

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Just a quick question about the tetanus vax, when people go for

their 10 yr (?) booster or when they want to jab you after an

injury, are they actually giving the DTP or is this just tetanus?

Thanks Deb

>

> > Hi Group-

> >

> > I was reading my bood by Aviva Jill Romm

> > (Vaccinations: A Thoughtful

> > Parent's Guide) last night, and she mentions that

> > some people who do

> > no other vaccinations will still choose to do

> > tetanus. The reasoning

> > appears to be that it has one of the lowest

> > incidents of side effects,

> > and tetanus is a very serious (although rare) and

> > often fatal

> > infection.

> >

> > I was wondering if anyone out there has decided just

> > to do tetanus?

> > I'd love to hear thoughts on this from both sides -

> >

> > Thanks much,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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It's a dT (diphtheria and tetanus) vax.

Kay

Re: tetanus vaccination

Just a quick question about the tetanus vax, when people go for

their 10 yr (?) booster or when they want to jab you after an

injury, are they actually giving the DTP or is this just tetanus?

Thanks Deb

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Wow Kay, I didn't know that. My husband was in a minor car accident and got a

few cuts (nothing deep). The hospital wanted to give him a tetanus shot, he

refused and they sent him home without even cleaning the wound. So much for

preventing infection; absolutely unbelieveable!

Anita

KPhilpot <KPhilpot@...> wrote:

It's a dT (diphtheria and tetanus) vax.

Kay

Re: tetanus vaccination

Just a quick question about the tetanus vax, when people go for

their 10 yr (?) booster or when they want to jab you after an

injury, are they actually giving the DTP or is this just tetanus?

Thanks Deb

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I just checked my PDR. Actually it's the Td they give (I had my letters

backwards! LOL) This DOES contain thimerosal. It says " Immunization of persons

7 years of age and older may be accomplished by the use of Tetanus and

Diphtheria Toxoids Adsorbed for Adult Use (Td), Tetanus Toxoid Adsorbed, or

Tetanus Toxoid Fluid. The Immunization Practices Advisory Committee of the U.S.

Public Health Service recommends the use of the combined toxoids vaccine rather

than single component vaccines for both primary and booster injections,

including active tetanus immunization in wound management. Individuals for whom

the use of a vaccine containing diphtheria toxoid is contraindicated should

receive a single-component tetanus toxoid-containing vaccine. "

Great hospital, Anita... sending a patient home without cleaning his wounds.

Oh, well, he's probably better off doing it at home anyway. Who knows WHAT kind

of nasties would be introduced into the wound in the hospital!

Kay

Re: Re: tetanus vaccination

Wow Kay, I didn't know that. My husband was in a minor car accident and got a

few cuts (nothing deep). The hospital wanted to give him a tetanus shot, he

refused and they sent him home without even cleaning the wound. So much for

preventing infection; absolutely unbelieveable!

Anita

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I have a question about wound care and using hydrogen peroxide. My

belief was that hydrogen peroxide kills bacteria (is this not true?)

but if the bacteria are there to clean up, then why would we want to

kill them??

Deb

> It's a dT (diphtheria and tetanus) vax.

>

> Kay

> Re: tetanus vaccination

>

>

> Just a quick question about the tetanus vax, when people go for

> their 10 yr (?) booster or when they want to jab you after an

> injury, are they actually giving the DTP or is this just tetanus?

>

> Thanks Deb

>

>

>

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