RE: Re: Still take infants to well check visits, even though you refuse vaccines?

September 17, 2005

I'm so sorry you went through that but very happy that you did find a specialist

you liked and who respected your feelings and gave you the help you so

desperately needed. You are proof that they are out there. Too bad they are so

few and far between.

Allopaths don't actually TREAT my children. I only use them to establish a

paper trail that my children are well cared for and in good general health. No

one in my family has ever taken seriously ill so in all honesty, depending on

the problem, I'm not sure what course of action I would take. I will say my

autisitic son Henry had issues like chronic diahrea and swollen adenoids causing

terrible sleep apnea. Untreated, the apnea would haveeventually led to more

problems.Though my ped was aware of his problems, I assure you they never got

the opportunity to treat him. If I had turned him over to their care, they would

have offered drugs for the diahrea and surgery for the adenoids. With the help

of a natural practitioner, I CURED him in the comfort of our home. These

problems are GONE. New ones didn't result from invasive treatments the allopaths

would have used. Of that, I am certain. My ped was aware of my unconventional

treatments and witnessed his recovery. I know that's rare and

I'm sorry this is not the type of doctor/patient relationship attainable by

most of you. I do understand why so many of you feel the way you do. I guess all

any of us can do is keep our children healthy by making sure their immune

systems are well supported and steer clear of any type of preventable

treatments. After all, everything begins and ends with the condition of our

immune systems.

Anita

<jsprecourt@...> wrote:

I do have to agree from experience on this one- and I do recommend such things

to others that I meet going through similar situations as we did with my son

Noah.

He began having seizures- about 1 a week, and of course his pediatrician and the

hospital neuro intervened and said we had to put him on anitconvulsant drugs. At

that time, we still had 100% (naiive) trust and faith in the medical profession,

and I think we WANTED to believe that he would be better in their care. Well,

almost immediately after we introduced the meds, he started having 200+ seizures

A DAY! He was almost 3 yrs old at the time and suddenly wasn't able to walk,

talk, and we thought he was dying before our eyes. It was crazy and when we told

the doctor we had to get him off the meds, he tried to insist that it was

because he wasn't on ENOUGH meds!

So.... that is when we started to " wake up " and took matters into our own hands.

We saw what was happening and in our case, we were failed by our pediatrician at

that time and this supposedly " highly respected " neurologist. On our own, we

researched anywhere and everywhere answers to our problem- tried a couple diets,

went to a chiropractor (and saw significant success there!!) and shortly after

that we did find a wonderful pediatric epileptologist at a Children's hospital

that would do the ketogenic diet for him (we had learned about this on the web

and it must be done under an experienced doctor and dietician's care- no one

around here would even admit the diet worked). He was seizure-free and talking,

back to normal by day 4 of the keto diet. Even tho we " like " his current

epileptologist and she is rare that she puts our wishes and decisions for our

child first, we could never fully put our trust in a doctor again. I am not so

sure that is a bad thing. I think it is sad and

traumatic what we had to go through, but we did come out for the better in many

ways, especially now that our entire thinking has changed about many things.

I feel called to help others like us and encourage them to try any non-med route

FIRST! I think that we wouldn't have lost a few months of our precious child's

life (and honestly we may have lost him completely), but Praise God it is almost

2 yrs later now and we are looking at only 1 seizure in 18 months, approaching 1

year seizure-free right now, he is completely med-free, and should be able to

wean the diet next spring and be seizure-free for the rest of his

life!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway- that is my personal experience- and on a side note, we strongly believe

that Noah's epilepsy was probably brought about from the vaccines/antibiotics he

received as a baby.

Mom to Noah, , & baby on the way

BirthWarrior <llandes1@...> wrote:

Even then I would avoid allopathic docs..if my child were one of these, I

would be searching for the most qualified HP and other means of less deadly

supressions...

Laurie>Oh

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September 17, 2005

To be honest with you, I am more concerned about pediatricians or doctors trying

to call social services etc if we took them and told they werent vaccinated.I

know they can not force me even with CPS. I still dont want the hassle. Plus,

as far as I know, they would not take them in as patients anyway.

It may be good to leave a papertrail in some ways and I can see some benefits

of taking them so they can be checked for certain things. I still dont want to

or see much need in taking them esp. after one kid actually sneezed directly in

my sons face at a well-baby visit. At another visit some kid spit in his face.

Fortunatly for me the kid that sneezed just had severe allergies. I suspect

that was induced by the stupid vaccines.

No thanks, I dislike the idea of waiting for an hour or more and being exposed

to all those germs. I am not a germaphobe in general but I do have limits, lol.

I can actually see the side of every person that has posted on this subject and

see its validity. Although I dont think anyone can really add anything else to

the subject.

My last post on this subject, lol.

September 17, 2005

I'll agree you wrapped it pretty well. Sometimes I think people misunderstand

the point behind the post and turn it into something it's not. No big deal; a

good vent is necessary every now and then and on this group that is possible

without being attacked.

Anita

wings <wingsout@...> wrote: