RE: Re: Still take infants to well check visits, even though you refuse vaccines?

[Guest guest]

Mendelssohn said that they are called well child visits because you

bring a well child to the doctor and then, they're never well again. He also

said that doctors vaccinate a child once and then have a customer for life.

Wonderful man - great loss to the world when he died so young.

Take care,

Meryl

Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits, even

though you refuse vaccines?

I wouldn't waste the time and $ on a 'well' visit. Not to mention exposing

your child to who knows what at the dr's office. I took DS to his first 2

visits and he hasn't seen a dr since. He's 3.5 now. He's never been ill

or had any other problem and since we don't vax there's no reason to

subject him to that. I'm confident that I as his mother can tell if he's

sick or has some sort of physical or mental delay. You can't get in

trouble for not taking your child to a dr if they're not sick. You could

get in trouble if you refused to provide medical care for a critically ill

child.

Jeska

[Guest guest]

So true. Let us not forget that in Dr. M.'s day, bringing an unvaxed child to an

allopath for an anual checkup was not nearly as easy a thing to do as it is

today. With the Patriot Act and the political turn we (America) seem to be

taking which seem to only lessen our freedoms, I believe it is wise to form some

kind of mainstream, acceptable proof of wellness stamped by an allopath via

minimal but regular Dr. visits to insure our security in remaining in control of

our families. It only takes one overzealous person in power to turn life as we

know it upside down.

Having said that, I believe we should pick and choose our abstinence with care

and concern.

Anita

Meryl Dorey <meryl@...> wrote:

Mendelssohn said that they are called well child visits because you

bring a well child to the doctor and then, they're never well again. He also

said that doctors vaccinate a child once and then have a customer for life.

Wonderful man - great loss to the world when he died so young.

Take care,

Meryl

Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits, even

though you refuse vaccines?

I wouldn't waste the time and $ on a 'well' visit. Not to mention exposing

your child to who knows what at the dr's office. I took DS to his first 2

visits and he hasn't seen a dr since. He's 3.5 now. He's never been ill

or had any other problem and since we don't vax there's no reason to

subject him to that. I'm confident that I as his mother can tell if he's

sick or has some sort of physical or mental delay. You can't get in

trouble for not taking your child to a dr if they're not sick. You could

get in trouble if you refused to provide medical care for a critically ill

child.

Jeska

[Guest guest]

Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the head into

percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper tools and a little

organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a matter of personal choice. At

the end of the day, we all have to do what's right for us. We can only hope and

pray that our decisions don't come back to bite us in the ass.

Anita

i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down to your personal

choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your child to regular

visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste of

money....especially if you are paying out of pocket. I have a scale

and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay a doctor $30-$150

to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have been trying to find

that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and none of the

bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a visit to a docs

office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out there...but I guess I

would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

> I was wondering if you should still take young sons and/or daughters

> to the doctor if you are not planning on having vaccinations, I have

> read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor " by Dr.

> Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the very brief office

> visits are of no use for a healthy child and can actually cause harm.

>

> I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor since 6 month check

> up. He seems to be developing normally and has not been sick at all.

> Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well visits " ?

>

> Dasa

> Naperville, IL

[Guest guest]

Anita, Well said. I have seen websites that convert all of that info into

percentages for you. They then allow you to look at the chart of percentages

compared to other children. I suppose you could keep a journal of this

information.

Personally, I have been told by all the ped offices that unvaxxed children are

not welcome. I called each pediatricians office. Of course a ped is not the only

option for medical care. There are several types of doctors that are considered

acceptable by the general standards.

Some people say you should take them so the doctors can check for heart murmurs

at certain ages. I think that is bunk myself but some feel different. I suppose

if heart problems such as that run in the family it might be a good idea.

Last time I took my then 2 month old daughter in, I walked out as they took over

40-45 minutes to see me. I have a rule of thumb, if they make me wait over a

certain amount of time to see them I walk out. They called her name just as I

had the door halfway open. I then asked the nurse how long they would have me

wait in the examining room. She said another 15-20 minutes. So I said no

thankyou. Then she said she needed to get her scheduled vaccines so this visit

is very important. I told her the wait was too long and that if chose to

vaccinate it would be at the health department.

She was very nice and asked if I was sure. I thanked her for being so nice and

said I am sure. I never rescheduled again.

So in essence the only time my daughter has seen a doctor was when she was 2

weeks old to get insurance issues settled. Because she was born at home, she had

to have a doctor look at her to say she was healthy before they would accept

her.

April

Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the head into

percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper tools and a little

organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a matter of personal choice. At

the end of the day, we all have to do what's right for us. We can only hope and

pray that our decisions don't come back to bite us in the ass.

Anita

[Guest guest]

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time

to comment. I am weighing in on this one because I

think what I have to say might help someone. My

husband has some employment problems and thus our

money is very tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we

have nine healthy children and the youngest ones are

not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the

newborns in for a few months for well-baby checks for

a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to

listen for heart murmurs. After this point, my

children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by

between any pediatric visits!)If I am concerned about

an ailment, however, I do take them in--and I do mean

" them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy

children with the sick child just to say hi and let

the pediatrician see how healthy, bright, and

well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of

land where social worker visits are frequent among

innocent and functional families I feel that it is

important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my

pediatrician--to have enough exposure to my children

to be able to advocate for me if I do have a problem

with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers,

having many children, and not immunizing are all

counter-mainstream and really tend to make some people

angry. I consider my relationship with my

pediatrician to be an insurance policy against the

disaster of a social services or board of education

interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and

> circumference of the head into percentiles? I

> suppose anyone could do it with the proper tools and

> a little organized record keeping. Like you said,

> it's a matter of personal choice. At the end of the

> day, we all have to do what's right for us. We can

> only hope and pray that our decisions don't come

> back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down

> to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your

> child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste

> of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay

> a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have

> been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and

> none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a

> visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out

> there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a website that does it, but I don't remember which one. Maybe it was

on babycenter. I remember using it when my kiddo was tiny.

Melyssa

Re: Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits,

even though you refuse vaccines?

Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the head into

percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper tools and a little

organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a matter of personal choice. At

the end of the day, we all have to do what's right for us. We can only hope and

pray that our decisions don't come back to bite us in the ass.

Anita

i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down to your personal

choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your child to regular

visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste of

money....especially if you are paying out of pocket. I have a scale

and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay a doctor $30-$150

to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have been trying to find

that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and none of the

bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a visit to a docs

office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out there...but I guess I

would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

> I was wondering if you should still take young sons and/or daughters

> to the doctor if you are not planning on having vaccinations, I have

> read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor " by Dr.

> Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the very brief office

> visits are of no use for a healthy child and can actually cause harm.

>

> I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor since 6 month check

> up. He seems to be developing normally and has not been sick at all.

> Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well visits " ?

>

> Dasa

> Naperville, IL

[Guest guest]

Maybe if more people put limits on the time they are willing to wait with a

bunch of strangers, both well and sick, wait times would decrease. They would

have to as doctors couldn't handle $100.00's of dollars walking out the door

every fifteen minutes. I love the visual.

Anita

wings <wingsout@...> wrote:

Anita, Well said. I have seen websites that convert all of that info into

percentages for you. They then allow you to look at the chart of percentages

compared to other children. I suppose you could keep a journal of this

information.

Personally, I have been told by all the ped offices that unvaxxed children are

not welcome. I called each pediatricians office. Of course a ped is not the only

option for medical care. There are several types of doctors that are considered

acceptable by the general standards.

Some people say you should take them so the doctors can check for heart murmurs

at certain ages. I think that is bunk myself but some feel different. I suppose

if heart problems such as that run in the family it might be a good idea.

Last time I took my then 2 month old daughter in, I walked out as they took over

40-45 minutes to see me. I have a rule of thumb, if they make me wait over a

certain amount of time to see them I walk out. They called her name just as I

had the door halfway open. I then asked the nurse how long they would have me

wait in the examining room. She said another 15-20 minutes. So I said no

thankyou. Then she said she needed to get her scheduled vaccines so this visit

is very important. I told her the wait was too long and that if chose to

vaccinate it would be at the health department.

She was very nice and asked if I was sure. I thanked her for being so nice and

said I am sure. I never rescheduled again.

So in essence the only time my daughter has seen a doctor was when she was 2

weeks old to get insurance issues settled. Because she was born at home, she had

to have a doctor look at her to say she was healthy before they would accept

her.

April

Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the head into

percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper tools and a little

organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a matter of personal choice. At

the end of the day, we all have to do what's right for us. We can only hope and

pray that our decisions don't come back to bite us in the ass.

Anita

[Guest guest]

I have 4 boys, ages 13,10,8 and 11 mos. Since my 2nd son was 2 1/2, the only

time they've been to the doctor is when they've broken a bone. With boys,

I've had my share of those. lol. My 3rd son has been seen once or twice and

my 4th son has never been to the doctor. I've never had a problem.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Very wise plan of action. NINE!! Good heavens you are blessed.

Anita

Keller <somerville1984@...> wrote:

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time

to comment. I am weighing in on this one because I

think what I have to say might help someone. My

husband has some employment problems and thus our

money is very tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we

have nine healthy children and the youngest ones are

not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the

newborns in for a few months for well-baby checks for

a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to

listen for heart murmurs. After this point, my

children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by

between any pediatric visits!)If I am concerned about

an ailment, however, I do take them in--and I do mean

" them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy

children with the sick child just to say hi and let

the pediatrician see how healthy, bright, and

well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of

land where social worker visits are frequent among

innocent and functional families I feel that it is

important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my

pediatrician--to have enough exposure to my children

to be able to advocate for me if I do have a problem

with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers,

having many children, and not immunizing are all

counter-mainstream and really tend to make some people

angry. I consider my relationship with my

pediatrician to be an insurance policy against the

disaster of a social services or board of education

interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and

> circumference of the head into percentiles? I

> suppose anyone could do it with the proper tools and

> a little organized record keeping. Like you said,

> it's a matter of personal choice. At the end of the

> day, we all have to do what's right for us. We can

> only hope and pray that our decisions don't come

> back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down

> to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your

> child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste

> of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay

> a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have

> been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and

> none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a

> visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out

> there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's ok, I think it's safe to say most of share that same aversion. It's just

that some people see the value in making those anual visits. It's not a matter

of what WE think is important rather than what THEY think is important in a

precarious situation which no one is immune to.

Anita

i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

I really don't think its that important how my child compares to

others as far as height, weight, and how big his head is as long as he

is healthy. I have read enough books and done enough research to know

if there was something abnormal about his growth. I am starting to

realize I have quite and aversion to doctors and just the medical

field in general...lol

[Guest guest]

I know.........I am one of the balless. I figure it's soo seldom, I'll put up

with it though I shouldn't.

Anita

i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

ha ha...I dont think that many people have the balls! They are too

" programmed " that they must see the doctor. Sometimes it is

unbelievable how many people go through those offices a day...it's a

money making machine!!

> Anita, Well said. I have seen websites that convert all of that

info into percentages for you. They then allow you to look at the

chart of percentages compared to other children. I suppose you could

keep a journal of this information.

> Personally, I have been told by all the ped offices that unvaxxed

children are not welcome. I called each pediatricians office. Of

course a ped is not the only option for medical care. There are

several types of doctors that are considered acceptable by the

general standards.

>

> Some people say you should take them so the doctors can check for

heart murmurs at certain ages. I think that is bunk myself but some

feel different. I suppose if heart problems such as that run in the

family it might be a good idea.

>

> Last time I took my then 2 month old daughter in, I walked out as

they took over 40-45 minutes to see me. I have a rule of thumb, if

they make me wait over a certain amount of time to see them I walk

out. They called her name just as I had the door halfway open. I then

asked the nurse how long they would have me wait in the examining

room. She said another 15-20 minutes. So I said no thankyou. Then she

said she needed to get her scheduled vaccines so this visit is very

important. I told her the wait was too long and that if chose to

vaccinate it would be at the health department.

> She was very nice and asked if I was sure. I thanked her for being

so nice and said I am sure. I never rescheduled again.

> So in essence the only time my daughter has seen a doctor was when

she was 2 weeks old to get insurance issues settled. Because she was

born at home, she had to have a doctor look at her to say she was

healthy before they would accept her.

>

> April

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the

head into percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper

tools and a little organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a

matter of personal choice. At the end of the day, we all have to do

what's right for us. We can only hope and pray that our decisions

don't come back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well here I am being the devil's advocate again. How do you know your child

doesn't have a heart defect or some other truly serious problem if you don't

take him/her in every once in a while for a check up?

I also think it's a good idea to have that " trail of care " someone mentioned. I

can toss the prescription out the window if I want to.

Sheri B.

Keller <somerville1984@...> wrote:

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time

to comment. I am weighing in on this one because I

think what I have to say might help someone. My

husband has some employment problems and thus our

money is very tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we

have nine healthy children and the youngest ones are

not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the

newborns in for a few months for well-baby checks for

a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to

listen for heart murmurs. After this point, my

children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by

between any pediatric visits!)If I am concerned about

an ailment, however, I do take them in--and I do mean

" them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy

children with the sick child just to say hi and let

the pediatrician see how healthy, bright, and

well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of

land where social worker visits are frequent among

innocent and functional families I feel that it is

important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my

pediatrician--to have enough exposure to my children

to be able to advocate for me if I do have a problem

with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers,

having many children, and not immunizing are all

counter-mainstream and really tend to make some people

angry. I consider my relationship with my

pediatrician to be an insurance policy against the

disaster of a social services or board of education

interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and

> circumference of the head into percentiles? I

> suppose anyone could do it with the proper tools and

> a little organized record keeping. Like you said,

> it's a matter of personal choice. At the end of the

> day, we all have to do what's right for us. We can

> only hope and pray that our decisions don't come

> back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down

> to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your

> child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste

> of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay

> a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have

> been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and

> none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a

> visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out

> there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Right On!

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Well here I am being the devil's advocate again. How do you know your child

doesn't have a heart defect or some other truly serious problem if you don't

take him/her in every once in a while for a check up?

I also think it's a good idea to have that " trail of care " someone mentioned. I

can toss the prescription out the window if I want to.

Sheri B.

Keller <somerville1984@...> wrote:

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time

to comment. I am weighing in on this one because I

think what I have to say might help someone. My

husband has some employment problems and thus our

money is very tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we

have nine healthy children and the youngest ones are

not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the

newborns in for a few months for well-baby checks for

a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to

listen for heart murmurs. After this point, my

children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by

between any pediatric visits!)If I am concerned about

an ailment, however, I do take them in--and I do mean

" them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy

children with the sick child just to say hi and let

the pediatrician see how healthy, bright, and

well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of

land where social worker visits are frequent among

innocent and functional families I feel that it is

important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my

pediatrician--to have enough exposure to my children

to be able to advocate for me if I do have a problem

with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers,

having many children, and not immunizing are all

counter-mainstream and really tend to make some people

angry. I consider my relationship with my

pediatrician to be an insurance policy against the

disaster of a social services or board of education

interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and

> circumference of the head into percentiles? I

> suppose anyone could do it with the proper tools and

> a little organized record keeping. Like you said,

> it's a matter of personal choice. At the end of the

> day, we all have to do what's right for us. We can

> only hope and pray that our decisions don't come

> back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down

> to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your

> child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste

> of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay

> a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have

> been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and

> none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a

> visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out

> there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I disagree - diagnosis is one of the things that allopaths tend to be the

WORST at! I think that the further away from doctors you can stay - both

yourself and your children - the more likely you are to stay healthy. We

have a holistic doctor that we see when we absolutely need to and that has

only been in the case of broken bones. Other than that, we stick with our

chiropractor or our homoeopath.

I don't trust most doctors, I don't feel they have a clue about what health

actually is, so why would their opinion matter to me?

Just MHO.

Meryl

Re: Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits,

even though you refuse vaccines?

Right On!

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Well here I am being the devil's advocate again. How do you know your child

doesn't have a heart defect or some other truly serious problem if you don't

take him/her in every once in a while for a check up?

I also think it's a good idea to have that " trail of care " someone

mentioned. I can toss the prescription out the window if I want to.

Sheri B.

Keller <somerville1984@...> wrote:

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time to comment. I am

weighing in on this one because I think what I have to say might help

someone. My husband has some employment problems and thus our money is very

tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we have nine healthy children and the

youngest ones are not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the newborns in for a few

months for well-baby checks for a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to listen for heart murmurs.

After this point, my children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by between any pediatric

visits!)If I am concerned about an ailment, however, I do take them in--and

I do mean " them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy children with

the sick child just to say hi and let the pediatrician see how healthy,

bright, and well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of land where social worker

visits are frequent among innocent and functional families I feel that it

is important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my pediatrician--to have

enough exposure to my children to be able to advocate for me if I do have a

problem with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers, having many

children, and not immunizing are all counter-mainstream and really tend to

make some people angry. I consider my relationship with my pediatrician to

be an insurance policy against the disaster of a social services or board of

education interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the

> head into percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper

> tools and a little organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a

> matter of personal choice. At the end of the day, we all have to do

> what's right for us. We can only hope and pray that our decisions

> don't come back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can see your point, but what about the hospitals full of kids with leukemia or

brain tumors? Surely you don't think these things are just imagined.

Sheri B.

Meryl Dorey <meryl@...> wrote:

I disagree - diagnosis is one of the things that allopaths tend to be the

WORST at! I think that the further away from doctors you can stay - both

yourself and your children - the more likely you are to stay healthy. We

have a holistic doctor that we see when we absolutely need to and that has

only been in the case of broken bones. Other than that, we stick with our

chiropractor or our homoeopath.

I don't trust most doctors, I don't feel they have a clue about what health

actually is, so why would their opinion matter to me?

Just MHO.

Meryl

Re: Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits,

even though you refuse vaccines?

Right On!

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Well here I am being the devil's advocate again. How do you know your child

doesn't have a heart defect or some other truly serious problem if you don't

take him/her in every once in a while for a check up?

I also think it's a good idea to have that " trail of care " someone

mentioned. I can toss the prescription out the window if I want to.

Sheri B.

Keller <somerville1984@...> wrote:

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time to comment. I am

weighing in on this one because I think what I have to say might help

someone. My husband has some employment problems and thus our money is very

tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we have nine healthy children and the

youngest ones are not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the newborns in for a few

months for well-baby checks for a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to listen for heart murmurs.

After this point, my children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by between any pediatric

visits!)If I am concerned about an ailment, however, I do take them in--and

I do mean " them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy children with

the sick child just to say hi and let the pediatrician see how healthy,

bright, and well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of land where social worker

visits are frequent among innocent and functional families I feel that it

is important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my pediatrician--to have

enough exposure to my children to be able to advocate for me if I do have a

problem with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers, having many

children, and not immunizing are all counter-mainstream and really tend to

make some people angry. I consider my relationship with my pediatrician to

be an insurance policy against the disaster of a social services or board of

education interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the

> head into percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper

> tools and a little organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a

> matter of personal choice. At the end of the day, we all have to do

> what's right for us. We can only hope and pray that our decisions

> don't come back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No Sheri - I believe that hospitals full of kids with leukemia or brain

tumours are hospitals full of children who have been affected by vaccines,

antibiotics and drugs. So if we stop using vaccines, antibiotics (unless

they are absolutely needed) and drugs, we will cease to have hospitals and

societies full of sick people.

Take care,

meryl

Re: Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits,

even though you refuse vaccines?

Right On!

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Well here I am being the devil's advocate again. How do you know your child

doesn't have a heart defect or some other truly serious problem if you don't

take him/her in every once in a while for a check up?

I also think it's a good idea to have that " trail of care " someone

mentioned. I can toss the prescription out the window if I want to.

Sheri B.

Keller <somerville1984@...> wrote:

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time to comment. I am

weighing in on this one because I think what I have to say might help

someone. My husband has some employment problems and thus our money is very

tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we have nine healthy children and the

youngest ones are not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the newborns in for a few

months for well-baby checks for a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to listen for heart murmurs.

After this point, my children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by between any pediatric

visits!)If I am concerned about an ailment, however, I do take them in--and

I do mean " them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy children with

the sick child just to say hi and let the pediatrician see how healthy,

bright, and well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of land where social worker

visits are frequent among innocent and functional families I feel that it

is important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my pediatrician--to have

enough exposure to my children to be able to advocate for me if I do have a

problem with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers, having many

children, and not immunizing are all counter-mainstream and really tend to

make some people angry. I consider my relationship with my pediatrician to

be an insurance policy against the disaster of a social services or board of

education interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the

> head into percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper

> tools and a little organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a

> matter of personal choice. At the end of the day, we all have to do

> what's right for us. We can only hope and pray that our decisions

> don't come back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And again, I very much agree with most of this. Cancer is definitely on the

rise and the increase is most definitely due to all the garbage in our

atmosphere AND what has been pumped into our bodies through so-called medicine.

True.

But I don't think cancer and heart disease are new to the era of vaccination

either.

And I agree that taking a child to a well visit can just expose them to lots of

icky stuff that they'd be better off not being around.

Still, I'll keep my face around my ped's office just enough to let him know that

I'm an " OK MOM " by " their " standards (the ubiquitous " they " ).

I think we're basically on the same page. : )

Sheri B.

Meryl Dorey <meryl@...> wrote:

No Sheri - I believe that hospitals full of kids with leukemia or brain

tumours are hospitals full of children who have been affected by vaccines,

antibiotics and drugs. So if we stop using vaccines, antibiotics (unless

they are absolutely needed) and drugs, we will cease to have hospitals and

societies full of sick people.

Take care,

meryl

Re: Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits,

even though you refuse vaccines?

Right On!

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Well here I am being the devil's advocate again. How do you know your child

doesn't have a heart defect or some other truly serious problem if you don't

take him/her in every once in a while for a check up?

I also think it's a good idea to have that " trail of care " someone

mentioned. I can toss the prescription out the window if I want to.

Sheri B.

Keller <somerville1984@...> wrote:

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time to comment. I am

weighing in on this one because I think what I have to say might help

someone. My husband has some employment problems and thus our money is very

tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we have nine healthy children and the

youngest ones are not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the newborns in for a few

months for well-baby checks for a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to listen for heart murmurs.

After this point, my children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by between any pediatric

visits!)If I am concerned about an ailment, however, I do take them in--and

I do mean " them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy children with

the sick child just to say hi and let the pediatrician see how healthy,

bright, and well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of land where social worker

visits are frequent among innocent and functional families I feel that it

is important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my pediatrician--to have

enough exposure to my children to be able to advocate for me if I do have a

problem with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers, having many

children, and not immunizing are all counter-mainstream and really tend to

make some people angry. I consider my relationship with my pediatrician to

be an insurance policy against the disaster of a social services or board of

education interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the

> head into percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper

> tools and a little organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a

> matter of personal choice. At the end of the day, we all have to do

> what's right for us. We can only hope and pray that our decisions

> don't come back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Meryl.

I guess I am luckier than most. My doctor respects my " do no harm " philosophy of

health care. We as parents ultimately hold the power to question any doctors

diagnoses, within reason,and seek help elsewhere if we are unsatisfied or

suspicious. It would be discriminatory to lump them all together as an over

diagnosing, over prescribing group of practitioners. It is unfortunate for

those who endlessly seek a fair and respectful physician, but based on the

feedback from this group, they are the minority. Trust is earned; if we don't

give them a chance and use them to our benefit, we will never know what we could

have had. I am grateful for my relationship with our ped and the school views me

as a responsible parent. Call me crazy, but that stuff is important to me and

sets the stage for how they will view me as a whole. I am with them for the long

hall and intend to be treated with respect. I have achieved this even though

they don't approve of my decision not to vaccinate. It's a fair

exchange in my book.

Frequent visits are unnecessary and open the door to unecessary diagnoses. All

I'm saying, and there are plenty of parents who have lost their children who

would probably agree, is that it's a good idea to pay them an anual visit for an

overall checkup. Definately reschedule if the children aren't well because of

something minor or you'll be throwing your prescriptions out the window with

Sheri.

Anita

eryl Dorey <meryl@...> wrote:

I disagree - diagnosis is one of the things that allopaths tend to be the

WORST at! I think that the further away from doctors you can stay - both

yourself and your children - the more likely you are to stay healthy. We

have a holistic doctor that we see when we absolutely need to and that has

only been in the case of broken bones. Other than that, we stick with our

chiropractor or our homoeopath.

I don't trust most doctors, I don't feel they have a clue about what health

actually is, so why would their opinion matter to me?

Just MHO.

Meryl

Re: Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits,

even though you refuse vaccines?

Right On!

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Well here I am being the devil's advocate again. How do you know your child

doesn't have a heart defect or some other truly serious problem if you don't

take him/her in every once in a while for a check up?

I also think it's a good idea to have that " trail of care " someone

mentioned. I can toss the prescription out the window if I want to.

Sheri B.

Keller <somerville1984@...> wrote:

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time to comment. I am

weighing in on this one because I think what I have to say might help

someone. My husband has some employment problems and thus our money is very

tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we have nine healthy children and the

youngest ones are not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the newborns in for a few

months for well-baby checks for a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to listen for heart murmurs.

After this point, my children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by between any pediatric

visits!)If I am concerned about an ailment, however, I do take them in--and

I do mean " them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy children with

the sick child just to say hi and let the pediatrician see how healthy,

bright, and well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of land where social worker

visits are frequent among innocent and functional families I feel that it

is important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my pediatrician--to have

enough exposure to my children to be able to advocate for me if I do have a

problem with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers, having many

children, and not immunizing are all counter-mainstream and really tend to

make some people angry. I consider my relationship with my pediatrician to

be an insurance policy against the disaster of a social services or board of

education interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the

> head into percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper

> tools and a little organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a

> matter of personal choice. At the end of the day, we all have to do

> what's right for us. We can only hope and pray that our decisions

> don't come back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

AMEN!

Meryl Dorey wrote:

> I disagree - diagnosis is one of the things that allopaths tend to be the

> WORST at! I think that the further away from doctors you can stay - both

> yourself and your children - the more likely you are to stay healthy. We

> have a holistic doctor that we see when we absolutely need to and that has

> only been in the case of broken bones. Other than that, we stick with our

> chiropractor or our homoeopath.

>

> I don't trust most doctors, I don't feel they have a clue about what

> health

> actually is, so why would their opinion matter to me?

>

> Just MHO.

>

> Meryl

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Sheri,

I don't know about heart disease, but cancer certainly made it's big appearance

at the time vaccinations were introduced. Check pg.6 of the 21pg. report Sheri

N. posted called History of Vaccines (only up to 1993). I'll write it for you.

1909 New York Press, January 26, publishes a report by W.B. which states,

" cancer was practically unknown until cowpox vaccination began to be introduced.

I have seen 200 cases of cancer, and never saw a case of cancer in an

unvaccinated person. Scientific evidence begins to mount that where human lymph

is employed in a vaccine, syphilis, leprosy and TB soon follow. Where calf lymph

is employed in the creation of a vaccine, TB and cancer soon follow.

This is discussed in detail in the report I posted today called Whats Coming

Down The Needle. I know it's long but really explains the vaccine/cancer link.

I'm surprised no one has commented on the report., It's well written and very

well documented.

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

And again, I very much agree with most of this. Cancer is definitely on the

rise and the increase is most definitely due to all the garbage in our

atmosphere AND what has been pumped into our bodies through so-called medicine.

True.

But I don't think cancer and heart disease are new to the era of vaccination

either.

And I agree that taking a child to a well visit can just expose them to lots of

icky stuff that they'd be better off not being around.

Still, I'll keep my face around my ped's office just enough to let him know that

I'm an " OK MOM " by " their " standards (the ubiquitous " they " ).

I think we're basically on the same page. : )

Sheri B.

Meryl Dorey <meryl@...> wrote:

No Sheri - I believe that hospitals full of kids with leukemia or brain

tumours are hospitals full of children who have been affected by vaccines,

antibiotics and drugs. So if we stop using vaccines, antibiotics (unless

they are absolutely needed) and drugs, we will cease to have hospitals and

societies full of sick people.

Take care,

meryl

Re: Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits,

even though you refuse vaccines?

Right On!

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Well here I am being the devil's advocate again. How do you know your child

doesn't have a heart defect or some other truly serious problem if you don't

take him/her in every once in a while for a check up?

I also think it's a good idea to have that " trail of care " someone

mentioned. I can toss the prescription out the window if I want to.

Sheri B.

Keller <somerville1984@...> wrote:

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time to comment. I am

weighing in on this one because I think what I have to say might help

someone. My husband has some employment problems and thus our money is very

tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we have nine healthy children and the

youngest ones are not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the newborns in for a few

months for well-baby checks for a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to listen for heart murmurs.

After this point, my children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by between any pediatric

visits!)If I am concerned about an ailment, however, I do take them in--and

I do mean " them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy children with

the sick child just to say hi and let the pediatrician see how healthy,

bright, and well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of land where social worker

visits are frequent among innocent and functional families I feel that it

is important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my pediatrician--to have

enough exposure to my children to be able to advocate for me if I do have a

problem with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers, having many

children, and not immunizing are all counter-mainstream and really tend to

make some people angry. I consider my relationship with my pediatrician to

be an insurance policy against the disaster of a social services or board of

education interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the

> head into percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper

> tools and a little organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a

> matter of personal choice. At the end of the day, we all have to do

> what's right for us. We can only hope and pray that our decisions

> don't come back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, but that is the difference between the US and Australia - and I'm

American and have lived in Australia for 17 years so I've had a very good

taste of both.

In the US, you have big brother watching over you all the time. You have to

travel to the beat of the medical drum or pay the price. The land of the

free? I don't think so! It hurts me to see my beloved US become worse than

most totalitarian countries ever were when it comes to medical freedom and

individual rights!

And though Australia seems to be following in the footsteps of the US, it is

still very much accepted here to not see doctors if you don't want to. And

alternatives are much more accepted. In my small area, we have probably got

50 chiropractors, 25 homoeopaths and a large number of people who practice

other complementary modalities such as bowen, accupuncture, kinesiology,

etc. I feel that putting yourself in the hands of a doctor for a 'routine'

visit is asking for trouble. Going to the doctor when one is absolutely

called for is probably the best plan - at least as far as my family is

concerned. All doctors know and are trained for is to prescribe drugs or

surgery. They don't know any other way. And to my mind, drugs are only

called for in the direst of emergencies (meningitis perhaps) and

surgery...well the same really.

We are all stuck in the mindset that even if doctors don't know best, we

still need to rely on them for many things and I am saying that if every

doctor on the face of this planet were to be sucked up into alien spaceships

tomorrow - yes, some people would doubtless suffer, but on the whole, the

health of this planet would see a huge upswing almost immediately -

health-wise, financially and in just about every other way.

Is there a place for allopathy in the health procedures of the future,

better world? Yes, I think there is. But allopaths need to stop feeling that

they have a monopoly on truth when it comes to our lives and that they and

they alone have all the answers. Until then, I will give them a wide berth

and stick with what I have found to work for my family. And if that right is

threatened, I will not give in to that blackmail but I will fight to ensure

that my rights remain! If the founding fathers could see what has been done

to the proud American nation in the name of comfort, financial security and

'freedom' from terrorism, I for on think they would be heartily ashamed,

All the best,

Meryl

Re: Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits,

even though you refuse vaccines?

Right On!

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Well here I am being the devil's advocate again. How do you know your child

doesn't have a heart defect or some other truly serious problem if you don't

take him/her in every once in a while for a check up?

I also think it's a good idea to have that " trail of care " someone

mentioned. I can toss the prescription out the window if I want to.

Sheri B.

Keller <somerville1984@...> wrote:

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time to comment. I am

weighing in on this one because I think what I have to say might help

someone. My husband has some employment problems and thus our money is very

tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we have nine healthy children and the

youngest ones are not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the newborns in for a few

months for well-baby checks for a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to listen for heart murmurs.

After this point, my children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by between any pediatric

visits!)If I am concerned about an ailment, however, I do take them in--and

I do mean " them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy children with

the sick child just to say hi and let the pediatrician see how healthy,

bright, and well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of land where social worker

visits are frequent among innocent and functional families I feel that it

is important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my pediatrician--to have

enough exposure to my children to be able to advocate for me if I do have a

problem with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers, having many

children, and not immunizing are all counter-mainstream and really tend to

make some people angry. I consider my relationship with my pediatrician to

be an insurance policy against the disaster of a social services or board of

education interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the

> head into percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper

> tools and a little organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a

> matter of personal choice. At the end of the day, we all have to do

> what's right for us. We can only hope and pray that our decisions

> don't come back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You took the words right out of my husbands mouth. He said there were huge

cultural differences that would determine our courses of action. I don't like

the medical business any more than you do and know all too well what they are

trained to do to us. I have learned how to skirt the system and use it to my

advantage and to the advantage of my children which is the real issue. It is a

shameful state of affairs that has been created here in the name of comfort and

convenience and it can be very unsettling at times. Knowing your history as an

American, I trust you know what I mean. Until those space ships show up, I am in

many ways at their mercy. Unfortunately it will get much worse before it ever

gets better. As long as my children remain unvaxed, off drugsand in my loving

care, I know I am doing something right.

Thanks for insight,

Anita

Meryl Dorey <meryl@...> wrote:

Ah, but that is the difference between the US and Australia - and I'm

American and have lived in Australia for 17 years so I've had a very good

taste of both.

In the US, you have big brother watching over you all the time. You have to

travel to the beat of the medical drum or pay the price. The land of the

free? I don't think so! It hurts me to see my beloved US become worse than

most totalitarian countries ever were when it comes to medical freedom and

individual rights!

And though Australia seems to be following in the footsteps of the US, it is

still very much accepted here to not see doctors if you don't want to. And

alternatives are much more accepted. In my small area, we have probably got

50 chiropractors, 25 homoeopaths and a large number of people who practice

other complementary modalities such as bowen, accupuncture, kinesiology,

etc. I feel that putting yourself in the hands of a doctor for a 'routine'

visit is asking for trouble. Going to the doctor when one is absolutely

called for is probably the best plan - at least as far as my family is

concerned. All doctors know and are trained for is to prescribe drugs or

surgery. They don't know any other way. And to my mind, drugs are only

called for in the direst of emergencies (meningitis perhaps) and

surgery...well the same really.

We are all stuck in the mindset that even if doctors don't know best, we

still need to rely on them for many things and I am saying that if every

doctor on the face of this planet were to be sucked up into alien spaceships

tomorrow - yes, some people would doubtless suffer, but on the whole, the

health of this planet would see a huge upswing almost immediately -

health-wise, financially and in just about every other way.

Is there a place for allopathy in the health procedures of the future,

better world? Yes, I think there is. But allopaths need to stop feeling that

they have a monopoly on truth when it comes to our lives and that they and

they alone have all the answers. Until then, I will give them a wide berth

and stick with what I have found to work for my family. And if that right is

threatened, I will not give in to that blackmail but I will fight to ensure

that my rights remain! If the founding fathers could see what has been done

to the proud American nation in the name of comfort, financial security and

'freedom' from terrorism, I for on think they would be heartily ashamed,

All the best,

Meryl

Re: Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits,

even though you refuse vaccines?

Right On!

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Well here I am being the devil's advocate again. How do you know your child

doesn't have a heart defect or some other truly serious problem if you don't

take him/her in every once in a while for a check up?

I also think it's a good idea to have that " trail of care " someone

mentioned. I can toss the prescription out the window if I want to.

Sheri B.

Keller <somerville1984@...> wrote:

Hello, I always enjoy this list but rarely have time to comment. I am

weighing in on this one because I think what I have to say might help

someone. My husband has some employment problems and thus our money is very

tight. Thanks to the grace of God, we have nine healthy children and the

youngest ones are not vaccinated and the older ones have not had

immunizations in years and years. I do take the newborns in for a few

months for well-baby checks for a few months only to show weight progress (I

breast-feed), proper growth and for the doctor to listen for heart murmurs.

After this point, my children rarely see the pediatrician because they are

so healthy. (Literally, 2 or 3 years will go by between any pediatric

visits!)If I am concerned about an ailment, however, I do take them in--and

I do mean " them " as I usually bring in several of my healthy children with

the sick child just to say hi and let the pediatrician see how healthy,

bright, and well-adjusted they are.

Because I live in the great socialist state of land where social worker

visits are frequent among innocent and functional families I feel that it

is important for a child welfare professional--i.e. my pediatrician--to have

enough exposure to my children to be able to advocate for me if I do have a

problem with social workers. After all, being homeschoolers, having many

children, and not immunizing are all counter-mainstream and really tend to

make some people angry. I consider my relationship with my pediatrician to

be an insurance policy against the disaster of a social services or board of

education interference in my family's life.

Hope this helps, Kim

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Do you know how to convert weight, length and circumference of the

> head into percentiles? I suppose anyone could do it with the proper

> tools and a little organized record keeping. Like you said, it's a

> matter of personal choice. At the end of the day, we all have to do

> what's right for us. We can only hope and pray that our decisions

> don't come back to bite us in the ass.

>

> Anita

>

> i <shawnilivingston@...> wrote:

> Dasa, like everything else....I think it comes down to your personal

> choice. If it makes you feel at ease taking your child to regular

> visits than do it. I personally think it is a waste of

> money....especially if you are paying out of pocket.

> I have a scale

> and a measuring tape at home....I don't need to pay a doctor $30-$150

> to measure and weigh my child once a month. I have been trying to find

> that damn book everywhere!! It is out of print and none of the

> bookstores here have it. I honestly don't see how a visit to a docs

> office could hurt a child. That seems a bit out there...but I guess I

> would need to read the reasoning. HOpe that helps!!

>

>

> > I was wondering if you should still take young

> sons and/or daughters

> > to the doctor if you are not planning on having

> vaccinations, I have

> > read " How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of

> Your Doctor " by Dr.

> > Mendelsohn and he seems to think that the

> very brief office

> > visits are of no use for a healthy child and can

> actually cause harm.

> >

> > I have not taken my 10 month old to the doctor

> since 6 month check

> > up. He seems to be developing normally and has

> not been sick at all.

> > Can I get in trouble for skipping the " well

> visits " ?

> >

> > Dasa

> > Naperville, IL

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Even then I would avoid allopathic docs..if my child were one of these, I

would be searching for the most qualified HP and other means of less deadly

supressions...

Laurie>Oh

-- RE: Re: Still take infants to " well " check visits,

even though you refuse vaccines?

I can see your point, but what about the hospitals full of kids with

leukemia or brain tumors? Surely you don't think these things are just

imagined.

[Guest guest]

I do have to agree from experience on this one- and I do recommend such things

to others that I meet going through similar situations as we did with my son

Noah.

He began having seizures- about 1 a week, and of course his pediatrician and the

hospital neuro intervened and said we had to put him on anitconvulsant drugs. At

that time, we still had 100% (naiive) trust and faith in the medical profession,

and I think we WANTED to believe that he would be better in their care. Well,

almost immediately after we introduced the meds, he started having 200+ seizures

A DAY! He was almost 3 yrs old at the time and suddenly wasn't able to walk,

talk, and we thought he was dying before our eyes. It was crazy and when we told

the doctor we had to get him off the meds, he tried to insist that it was

because he wasn't on ENOUGH meds!

So.... that is when we started to " wake up " and took matters into our own hands.

We saw what was happening and in our case, we were failed by our pediatrician at

that time and this supposedly " highly respected " neurologist. On our own, we

researched anywhere and everywhere answers to our problem- tried a couple diets,

went to a chiropractor (and saw significant success there!!) and shortly after

that we did find a wonderful pediatric epileptologist at a Children's hospital

that would do the ketogenic diet for him (we had learned about this on the web

and it must be done under an experienced doctor and dietician's care- no one

around here would even admit the diet worked). He was seizure-free and talking,

back to normal by day 4 of the keto diet. Even tho we " like " his current

epileptologist and she is rare that she puts our wishes and decisions for our

child first, we could never fully put our trust in a doctor again. I am not so

sure that is a bad thing. I think it is sad and

traumatic what we had to go through, but we did come out for the better in many

ways, especially now that our entire thinking has changed about many things.

I feel called to help others like us and encourage them to try any non-med route

FIRST! I think that we wouldn't have lost a few months of our precious child's

life (and honestly we may have lost him completely), but Praise God it is almost

2 yrs later now and we are looking at only 1 seizure in 18 months, approaching 1

year seizure-free right now, he is completely med-free, and should be able to

wean the diet next spring and be seizure-free for the rest of his

life!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway- that is my personal experience- and on a side note, we strongly believe

that Noah's epilepsy was probably brought about from the vaccines/antibiotics he

received as a baby.

Mom to Noah, , & baby on the way

BirthWarrior <llandes1@...> wrote:

Even then I would avoid allopathic docs..if my child were one of these, I

would be searching for the most qualified HP and other means of less deadly

supressions...

Laurie>Oh

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[Guest guest]

Woo, woo! You said a mouthful! Right on. It amazes me the way some

people will see the fallacies in

modern medicine, but it's like their are addicted to doctors. It's time

to break the addiction to having someone

else do our thinking for us and use our God-given brains to help

ourselves. I can see many in this group are

doing just that. Rock on!

Meryl Dorey wrote:

> Ah, but that is the difference between the US and Australia - and I'm

> American and have lived in Australia for 17 years so I've had a very good

> taste of both.

>

> In the US, you have big brother watching over you all the time. You

> have to

> travel to the beat of the medical drum or pay the price. The land of the

> free? I don't think so! It hurts me to see my beloved US become worse than

> most totalitarian countries ever were when it comes to medical freedom and

> individual rights!

>

> And though Australia seems to be following in the footsteps of the US,

> it is

> still very much accepted here to not see doctors if you don't want to. And

> alternatives are much more accepted. In my small area, we have

> probably got

> 50 chiropractors, 25 homoeopaths and a large number of people who practice

> other complementary modalities such as bowen, accupuncture, kinesiology,

> etc. I feel that putting yourself in the hands of a doctor for a 'routine'

> visit is asking for trouble. Going to the doctor when one is absolutely

> called for is probably the best plan - at least as far as my family is

> concerned. All doctors know and are trained for is to prescribe drugs or

> surgery. They don't know any other way. And to my mind, drugs are only

> called for in the direst of emergencies (meningitis perhaps) and

> surgery...well the same really.

>

> We are all stuck in the mindset that even if doctors don't know best, we

> still need to rely on them for many things and I am saying that if every

> doctor on the face of this planet were to be sucked up into alien

> spaceships

> tomorrow - yes, some people would doubtless suffer, but on the whole, the

> health of this planet would see a huge upswing almost immediately -

> health-wise, financially and in just about every other way.

>

> Is there a place for allopathy in the health procedures of the future,

> better world? Yes, I think there is. But allopaths need to stop

> feeling that

> they have a monopoly on truth when it comes to our lives and that they and

> they alone have all the answers. Until then, I will give them a wide berth

> and stick with what I have found to work for my family. And if that

> right is

> threatened, I will not give in to that blackmail but I will fight to

> ensure

> that my rights remain! If the founding fathers could see what has been

> done

> to the proud American nation in the name of comfort, financial

> security and

> 'freedom' from terrorism, I for on think they would be heartily ashamed,

>

> All the best,

> Meryl

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>