Re: Religious exemptions - anyone know Scripture I can use?

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At 01:52 PM 8/26/2005 EDT, you wrote:

>I would suggest going to the PAVE web site the have a lot of info there on

>how the Bible speaks against vaccines.

>

>S. Heath

>

Thanks - but again it is important you use the exact wording that is in the

law to write your exemption>

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Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

>> Use of scripture can get you in DEEP Trouble.

>> ONLY use the wording of the law to write your exemption

Sheri,

This was only for my discussions with friends/family. Not for actually

procuring an exemption for myself. On that, I totally agree with you. Give 'em

what they need and not a word more!

Sheri B.

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I agree that the official exemption letter should be simple and

without scripture. I would reject signing anything that says " the

child is at risk " blah blah blah, or restrict the signature as

mentioned, or just have a new document prepared with the correct

wording.

Within the exemption letter I recommend listing all the ingredients

of every vaccine instead of just saying " vaccines " or " shots " .

Listing the ingredients is truthful and powerful, and the reader

will definitely see the exemption differently, and may just

understand why vaccines are being refused.

I would also advise that if a basic religious or philosophical

exemption is given, then everyone should in some way offer an

explanation that is off the record. Maybe just an unsigned letter,

or a stack of documents proving that all vaccines are deadly, or

possibly even a conversation on the spot or at some other location.

Yes, we want conversion!!

Some will say why bother or take the risk when it's not necessary.

Well, remaining silent is definitely an easier and more peaceful

way, but I do think those receiving the letter need to be informed

about what it is they support. By just giving the exemption, I think

most would remain puffed up in their pride by assuming that we are

very stupid and negligent. By not offering an explanation, I don't

think they'll ever understand how serious this matter is and

continue promoting this wickedness, unless the ingredients offer

some conviction and they search out the truth.

In whatever situation where a discussion would arise with a hard-

hearted pro-vaccinator, personally I'd come at him or her from the

Christian perspective and focus on witchcraft, sorcery, murder,

genocide, crimes against humanity etc. and the consequences of their

actions. The matter of church and state can also be brought out

because vaccination is a sacrament of the government's

Humanistic/Satanic religion that they are trying to force on the

people. Proclaiming that vaccination is religion is something that

needs to be emphasized more frequently because it's a great way to

silence these fools and the ACLU should really be on our side.

[Guest guest]

Listing the ingredients may come off as a medical protest This will negate your

religious standpoint. I agree that making people who don't fully understand what

they are administering read the ingredient list is powerful and truthful. Saying

that the reader will definitely see the exemption differently, and may just

understand why vaccines are'nt being used is an assumption and in the eyes of

many an attempt to convert their thinking. It's just not that easy. Our children

will be grown with children of their own before mainstream Americans will ever

change the crux of their thinking. I appreciate where your coming from, but we

cannot use exemptions and our childrens safety as forum to spread the word. It's

too risky and will raise red flags that will only make it harder for everyone

else.

I also understand your concern for how they view us as stupid and negligent if

we quietly offer the exemption and don't speak up and defend ourselves

intellectually. I don't think there is a school district our healthcare facility

in America that is unaware of why people are not vaxing their children. The

media is putting it out there for everyone to see and think about. Albeit, most

reports dispell the so called myth about the dangers of vaccines (particularly

the autism/mercury link) but some do not and reveal powerful information to the

public.

If you didn't have children, it would be so much easier to be verbal and

proactive about your feelings. For their sake, you should proceed with caution

and go by the letter of the law. It is a matter of priority.

Anita

abolishvaccines <vaccinegenocide@...> wrote:

I agree that the official exemption letter should be simple and

without scripture. I would reject signing anything that says " the

child is at risk " blah blah blah, or restrict the signature as

mentioned, or just have a new document prepared with the correct

wording.

Within the exemption letter I recommend listing all the ingredients

of every vaccine instead of just saying " vaccines " or " shots " .

Listing the ingredients is truthful and powerful, and the reader

will definitely see the exemption differently, and may just

understand why vaccines are being refused.

I would also advise that if a basic religious or philosophical

exemption is given, then everyone should in some way offer an

explanation that is off the record. Maybe just an unsigned letter,

or a stack of documents proving that all vaccines are deadly, or

possibly even a conversation on the spot or at some other location.

Yes, we want conversion!!

Some will say why bother or take the risk when it's not necessary.

Well, remaining silent is definitely an easier and more peaceful

way, but I do think those receiving the letter need to be informed

about what it is they support. By just giving the exemption, I think

most would remain puffed up in their pride by assuming that we are

very stupid and negligent. By not offering an explanation, I don't

think they'll ever understand how serious this matter is and

continue promoting this wickedness, unless the ingredients offer

some conviction and they search out the truth.

In whatever situation where a discussion would arise with a hard-

hearted pro-vaccinator, personally I'd come at him or her from the

Christian perspective and focus on witchcraft, sorcery, murder,

genocide, crimes against humanity etc. and the consequences of their

actions. The matter of church and state can also be brought out

because vaccination is a sacrament of the government's

Humanistic/Satanic religion that they are trying to force on the

people. Proclaiming that vaccination is religion is something that

needs to be emphasized more frequently because it's a great way to

silence these fools and the ACLU should really be on our side.

[Guest guest]

I think you have a valid concern. If they were to lift the Phil.Exemp., that

should not affect you if all your children have used it successfully and are

registered and attending school. Kind of like a grandfather clause if you will.

I never saw a state exemption form. If it's not too much trouble, when you have

the time, would you post it for me to see. Come to think of it, Sheri N.

probably has it on her web pages. Do you Sheri?

Anita

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:

While we are on the subject, I have a question. I live in Michigan, luckily, we

have the option of a religious or philosophical exemption. When I called our

local " vaccine " group, the woman I spoke with said that they encourage parents

to file a philosophical exemption, kind of like a " use it or lose it " thing.

She sent me a form to use, it is one that they made up, it has the law on the

back and is better than the one from the health department because it doesn't

have any of the the " I know that I am risking my child's health " crap. Anyway,

I did the philosophical for my son who is just starting kindergarten (sniff,

sniff) and want to know if others have chosen this route and why. I am worried

about it, because I am afraid that if too many people use it, then they may take

it away. I am also worried that if they decide to do away with one of our

exemptions, that it will be the first to go.

What are other thoughts and feelings?

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

[Guest guest]

You are probably right, it would more than likely be grandfathered, I just don't

have that much faith in our government to do what is right, fair or even

constitutional.

For the forms, go to www.momvaccines.org click on the waiver button, the MOM

waiver is the one that I signed and turned in, the State one is the one that I

don't want to sign, because it basically says that I am purposely putting my

children and other children at risk of disease, when we know that the opposite

is true.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

-------------- Original message --------------

I think you have a valid concern. If they were to lift the Phil.Exemp., that

should not affect you if all your children have used it successfully and are

registered and attending school. Kind of like a grandfather clause if you will.

I never saw a state exemption form. If it's not too much trouble, when you have

the time, would you post it for me to see. Come to think of it, Sheri N.

probably has it on her web pages. Do you Sheri?

Anita

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:

While we are on the subject, I have a question. I live in Michigan, luckily, we

have the option of a religious or philosophical exemption. When I called our

local " vaccine " group, the woman I spoke with said that they encourage parents

to file a philosophical exemption, kind of like a " use it or lose it " thing.

She sent me a form to use, it is one that they made up, it has the law on the

back and is better than the one from the health department because it doesn't

have any of the the " I know that I am risking my child's health " crap. Anyway,

I did the philosophical for my son who is just starting kindergarten (sniff,

sniff) and want to know if others have chosen this route and why. I am worried

about it, because I am afraid that if too many people use it, then they may take

it away. I am also worried that if they decide to do away with one of our

exemptions, that it will be the first to go.

What are other thoughts and feelings?

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

[Guest guest]

Thank you.

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:You are probably right, it would more than

likely be grandfathered, I just don't have that much faith in our government to

do what is right, fair or even constitutional.

For the forms, go to www.momvaccines.org click on the waiver button, the MOM

waiver is the one that I signed and turned in, the State one is the one that I

don't want to sign, because it basically says that I am purposely putting my

children and other children at risk of disease, when we know that the opposite

is true.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

-------------- Original message --------------

I think you have a valid concern. If they were to lift the Phil.Exemp., that

should not affect you if all your children have used it successfully and are

registered and attending school. Kind of like a grandfather clause if you will.

I never saw a state exemption form. If it's not too much trouble, when you have

the time, would you post it for me to see. Come to think of it, Sheri N.

probably has it on her web pages. Do you Sheri?

Anita

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:

While we are on the subject, I have a question. I live in Michigan, luckily, we

have the option of a religious or philosophical exemption. When I called our

local " vaccine " group, the woman I spoke with said that they encourage parents

to file a philosophical exemption, kind of like a " use it or lose it " thing.

She sent me a form to use, it is one that they made up, it has the law on the

back and is better than the one from the health department because it doesn't

have any of the the " I know that I am risking my child's health " crap. Anyway,

I did the philosophical for my son who is just starting kindergarten (sniff,

sniff) and want to know if others have chosen this route and why. I am worried

about it, because I am afraid that if too many people use it, then they may take

it away. I am also worried that if they decide to do away with one of our

exemptions, that it will be the first to go.

What are other thoughts and feelings?

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

[Guest guest]

I use the religious AND philosophical.... I check both boxes. Vaccines are

against my religion as I do not believe in them and and religion can be

construed as a belief AND philosophically, well, I know they can't deliver

what they imply they can.

Laurie>Oh

.. Anyway, I did the philosophical for my son who is just starting

kindergarten (sniff, sniff) and want to know if others have chosen this

route and why. I am worried about it, because I am afraid that if too many

people use it, then they may take it away. I am also worried that if they

decide to do away with one of our exemptions, that it will be the first to

go.

What are other thoughts and feelings?

--

Sara