Re: Private Healthcare in US does not have to cover the unvaxed??

[Guest guest]

Let me play the devil's advocate here...a doctor's office is a business and

therefore, like any business, they have the right to refuse to " serve " those

who cause trouble, or in this case, don't follow their advice such as

vaxxing the children. I am glad, as a doc's wife, that this is permissible

as there are many patients who fail to comply with his orders and then when

they die or become sicker, they try to sue! or in the case of death their

family does. IMO, they will get sicker as he prescribes drugs to cover

symptoms and then they have to deal with that but it's all " good " as he

complies with the standard of care that insurance companies use to decide if

there is a case of malpractice or not. And if that's not the kind of care

you're searching for, why beat the dog? You'll have better luck finding a

practitionor with the same outlook on medical procedures as you do than you

ll have persuading the allopathic doc his years of college (during which he

worked harder than almost any other career) and years of residency were

wasted as he is not practicing how you want him to! Who needs the grief?

Would you eat at Krispy Kreme if you're on a low carb diet? Shop for dress

shoes at Nike? Go to the dentist if you need another eye prescription? It

s already bad enough the government limits how much a doctor can charge (and

demand EVERYONE must pay the same price) and how much he can make.

Physicians are regulated and their practice is NOT their own. I say instead

of whining Dr So-and-so is refusing to practice medicine on you or yours,

take this opportunity to find a professional that will help heal the body,

not pollute it. and private healthcare is a business also. I am glad they

have the right to refuse business as are we. When the healthcare sysyem is

mandated, we start losing some of our freedoms and in the end, it might all

become gov't controlled and i want choices.

Laurie>Oh

Sheri B.

Can a physician legally refuse to provide medical services to those with

religious exemptions?

According to the Liberty Counsel, since the First Amendment only protects a

person from discrimination by the government, a patient cannot use the

Constitution to force private health care workers to provide treatment.

Although an individual has a constitutional right to choose or refuse

treatment, the individual cannot use the Constitution to force a private

physician to provide such treatment. Private insurance companies may also

deny coverage for the same reason as well because there is no law which

guarantees health coverage.

[Guest guest]

I am curious to know why it seems to be the prevailing opinion that

'socialized medicine' is so awful? Having lived in several countries

where that is the norm, and being an American and from a country where

it is not (and at various times covered or not by insurance)..I still

don't get it.

What makes no sense to me is that insurance companies structure things

so that people get iller and iller, so that 70% of bankruptcies are from

people WITH health insurance but who can't pay the XYZ that is not

covered, and that the only time the system does anything for anyone who

is not covered is when it becomes an expensive ER crisis. You can see

it's just designed for money, not for health-so the system should not be

called the healthcare system, but the medical

insurance-pharmaceutical-funding-system.

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[Guest guest]

Great post, Laurie. I agree 100%. No one in my family has been to an

allopathic MD in over 3 years, since we made the switch to homeopathy. Why would

I go to an allopathic MD when I know that sort of " practice " is not what I want

for my family? We've chosen to go the route that can truly help heal the body,

not just suppress symptoms and declare us " healed. " To me it's like oil and

water... conventional medicine is at opposite polls from true " health " care.

Conventional medicine keeps people trapped in their web of illness, drugs, and

suppression. I don't want any part of that for my family.

That said, I DO believe the United States' trauma " medicine " is second to none,

and would not hesitate to allow life saving treatment to be given in the case of

a car accident or such. But for routine care, no thanks!

We didn't have health insurance for several years. The only reason my kids have

health insurance now is it's required for them to participate in sports at high

school. We chose a relatively inexpensive plan that has a $5,000 yearly

deductible. I didn't have health insurance but it's provided " free " with the

job I was hired on this past year.

Most homeoapths don't accept insurance, which I think is a good thing. Once

they let insurance companies into their private business, they would be under

the thumb of Big pHARMa. Now they have the choice to conduct their practice in

the way they see fit without having to bend to insurance companies.

BTW, let us know how things go with your homeopath today, Laurie. I hope your

kids are on the road to recovery very soon!

Kay

Re: Private Healthcare in US does not have to cover

the unvaxed??

I say instead

of whining Dr So-and-so is refusing to practice medicine on you or yours,

take this opportunity to find a professional that will help heal the body,

not pollute it. and private healthcare is a business also. I am glad they

have the right to refuse business as are we. When the healthcare sysyem is

mandated, we start losing some of our freedoms and in the end, it might all

become gov't controlled and i want choices.

Laurie>Oh

[Guest guest]

Like Laurie said, I think it's mostly people fear losing the few choices they

have left when it comes to medical care. Of course things are so regimented by

pHARMaceutical companies and insurance companies already, but I don't think the

average Joe realizes that.

And you're right, it's NOT " health " care at all. If people truly became healthy

from the system, it would go bankrupt. Their " solutions " create more severe

illnesses and chronic disease. It's a vicious cycle that few escape from.

Kay

RE: Private Healthcare in US does not have to cover

the unvaxed??

I am curious to know why it seems to be the prevailing opinion that

'socialized medicine' is so awful? Having lived in several countries

where that is the norm, and being an American and from a country where

it is not (and at various times covered or not by insurance)..I still

don't get it.

What makes no sense to me is that insurance companies structure things

so that people get iller and iller, so that 70% of bankruptcies are from

people WITH health insurance but who can't pay the XYZ that is not

covered, and that the only time the system does anything for anyone who

is not covered is when it becomes an expensive ER crisis. You can see

it's just designed for money, not for health-so the system should not be

called the healthcare system, but the medical

insurance-pharmaceutical-funding-system.

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

You make very valid points from the physicians' perspective and I do respect

that. I guess my fear is that once we start making alternative health choices

for ourselves or our children, how do we not fall victim to inadequate care for

things where standard medicine is needed - say in the case like Kay cited - for

trauma and such?

We drink raw milk. If my pediatrician knew this he's blow a gasket, I'm sure.

All of my research says that this is the best thing for our family, much like

our decision not to vaccinate.

I'd be interested to know (on or offline) how being married to a physician and

being anti-vax works itself out? Kind of like that wild political couple on TV

(Carville and Matlin I think their names are?)?

Sheri B.

BirthWarrior <llandes1@...> wrote:

Let me play the devil's advocate here...a doctor's office is a business and

therefore, like any business, they have the right to refuse to " serve " those

who cause trouble, or in this case, don't follow their advice such as

vaxxing the children. I am glad, as a doc's wife, that this is permissible

as there are many patients who fail to comply with his orders and then when

they die or become sicker, they try to sue! or in the case of death their

family does. IMO, they will get sicker as he prescribes drugs to cover

symptoms and then they have to deal with that but it's all " good " as he

complies with the standard of care that insurance companies use to decide if

there is a case of malpractice or not. And if that's not the kind of care

you're searching for, why beat the dog? You'll have better luck finding a

practitionor with the same outlook on medical procedures as you do than you

ll have persuading the allopathic doc his years of college (during which he

worked harder than almost any other career) and years of residency were

wasted as he is not practicing how you want him to! Who needs the grief?

Would you eat at Krispy Kreme if you're on a low carb diet? Shop for dress

shoes at Nike? Go to the dentist if you need another eye prescription? It

s already bad enough the government limits how much a doctor can charge (and

demand EVERYONE must pay the same price) and how much he can make.

Physicians are regulated and their practice is NOT their own. I say instead

of whining Dr So-and-so is refusing to practice medicine on you or yours,

take this opportunity to find a professional that will help heal the body,

not pollute it. and private healthcare is a business also. I am glad they

have the right to refuse business as are we. When the healthcare sysyem is

mandated, we start losing some of our freedoms and in the end, it might all

become gov't controlled and i want choices.

Laurie>Oh

Sheri B.

Can a physician legally refuse to provide medical services to those with

religious exemptions?

According to the Liberty Counsel, since the First Amendment only protects a

person from discrimination by the government, a patient cannot use the

Constitution to force private health care workers to provide treatment.

Although an individual has a constitutional right to choose or refuse

treatment, the individual cannot use the Constitution to force a private

physician to provide such treatment. Private insurance companies may also

deny coverage for the same reason as well because there is no law which

guarantees health coverage.

[Guest guest]

> I guess my fear is that once we start making alternative health choices

for ourselves or our >children, how do we not fall victim to inadequate care

for things where standard medicine is >needed - say in the case like Kay

cited - for trauma and such?

You notify your family doc you want a Vit C IV and you also know first aid

HP like for shock,etc as you would any emergency situation like burns or

bleeding. Then,as time permits, you research choices and decisions and

inform alternative caregiver of situation for their presciptions and

diagnosis and you PRAY. I once read that when docs went on strike except

for life-threatening situations, the mortality rate dropped like 50%percent

or more. I'm comfortable trusting my life to an emergncy doc in those kind

of situations. for routine care? not on my life. I'm a HomeoPathic kind

of gal and insist on this care for my children. now wouldn't it be great to

find an emergent care HP surgeon??? with priviliges at your local

hospital? I am waiting for the day!!!

>I'd be interested to know (on or offline) how being married to a physician

and being anti-vax >works itself out? Kind of like that wild political

couple on TV (Carville and Matlin I think their >names are?)?

>Sheri B.

Not familiar with that couple...are they on sci fi or usa channel? I think

that's all i watch? anyhow, I'd had 2 unvaxxed children before I met Dr

Mike and thot Dr was his fun nickname. on our first acquaintance, my friend

mentioned i was weird and didn't " cut my son's thingie " and he admitted he

was also uncircumcised. then i found out he was a real gp and my heart sunk

as he had the kindest eyes and the nicest smile. on our first date then,

after I'd had too much to drink, I was complaining how there is a hiv

vaccine (or was it aids?) but they were hesitant to administer it as it was

from mutated virus and weren't sure of the long term effects but that they

were perfectly willing to administer the polio vax on unsuspecting children

who had no say so in the matter and i almost fell out of his truck when he

said " I agree. Vaccines are stupid and useless " . He was so much more

attractive then!!! LOL knowing I wouldn't have to persuade him (and I would

with any husband-to-be) as this is an issue I wouldn't " compromise " or back

down on...I had done my research.

and now that he has his own practice again, he no longer administers the flu

shot and at a profit of $5 a shot with probably 75% of his patients elderly

and handling 3 nursing homes, he'd have lots of victims " needing " the flu

shot! He's my hero. Until he asks if I want to give a child an antibiotic

and I have on 2 ocassions. He's great for stitching and checking for red

ears but sucks at cleaning up vomit as he moans, " I'll barf if I have to

smell that " . and he believed in me when we drove 3 hours away with our

first baby so I could have a VBAC and I wanted to stop and have a repeat

(3rd) c-section as I was nervous and surgery was all I knew. I read the

info, gave him the mini version, and we really trusted our midwife. he told

me NO and kept driving to Michigan and I had my natural VBAC. He did all

this despite all his contemporaries and peers declaring we would have a CP

baby as this one had been breach up until the mw turned him a month ago and

as i'd had 2 previous sections, well, it must be because i needed them and

couldn't birth as nature intended.

So, i insist we make visits to DC as much as possible and he's under HPic

care and is amazed at what breastmilk does! He sneaks allopathic drugs (for

himself)sometimes as he's afraid of my reactions when he does (ya know, the

ranting and lectures and I am a natural redhead so I can get quite fearsome

in my rampages) but he has seen the miracle of HPic care so he encourages it

Also ,CST has been very beneficial and his practice's landlord is a DO

certified in that. All in all, I try not to discourage patients from

seeking his care (they shouldn't stop us on the street and try to get free

care, anyhow) by saying, " you should see a HP for that if you want a cure " .

He was a GP before I met him and I pretty much try not to think about his

job and what it entails. And then we go to dinners sponsored by drug

companies and i try not to throw my food at them and we went to a doctor's

dinner once and i put some of them in their place by asking if they'd even

read about the diet they were trashing and they admitted they hadn't. ah

well, i tell myself just a few more years til he can retire.

Laurie>Oh

[Guest guest]

What an interesting life! You lucked out, it looks like (except having to go to

the drug co. dinners!).

Thanks for sharing,

Sheri B.

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[Guest guest]

are there any alternative homeopatics to vaccines?? thanks kim

BirthWarrior <llandes1@...> wrote:> I guess my fear is that once we

start making alternative health choices

for ourselves or our >children, how do we not fall victim to inadequate care

for things where standard medicine is >needed - say in the case like Kay

cited - for trauma and such?

You notify your family doc you want a Vit C IV and you also know first aid

HP like for shock,etc as you would any emergency situation like burns or

bleeding. Then,as time permits, you research choices and decisions and

inform alternative caregiver of situation for their presciptions and

diagnosis and you PRAY. I once read that when docs went on strike except

for life-threatening situations, the mortality rate dropped like 50%percent

or more. I'm comfortable trusting my life to an emergncy doc in those kind

of situations. for routine care? not on my life. I'm a HomeoPathic kind

of gal and insist on this care for my children. now wouldn't it be great to

find an emergent care HP surgeon??? with priviliges at your local

hospital? I am waiting for the day!!!

>I'd be interested to know (on or offline) how being married to a physician

and being anti-vax >works itself out? Kind of like that wild political

couple on TV (Carville and Matlin I think their >names are?)?

>Sheri B.

Not familiar with that couple...are they on sci fi or usa channel? I think

that's all i watch? anyhow, I'd had 2 unvaxxed children before I met Dr

Mike and thot Dr was his fun nickname. on our first acquaintance, my friend

mentioned i was weird and didn't " cut my son's thingie " and he admitted he

was also uncircumcised. then i found out he was a real gp and my heart sunk

as he had the kindest eyes and the nicest smile. on our first date then,

after I'd had too much to drink, I was complaining how there is a hiv

vaccine (or was it aids?) but they were hesitant to administer it as it was

from mutated virus and weren't sure of the long term effects but that they

were perfectly willing to administer the polio vax on unsuspecting children

who had no say so in the matter and i almost fell out of his truck when he

said " I agree. Vaccines are stupid and useless " . He was so much more

attractive then!!! LOL knowing I wouldn't have to persuade him (and I would

with any husband-to-be) as this is an issue I wouldn't " compromise " or back

down on...I had done my research.

and now that he has his own practice again, he no longer administers the flu

shot and at a profit of $5 a shot with probably 75% of his patients elderly

and handling 3 nursing homes, he'd have lots of victims " needing " the flu

shot! He's my hero. Until he asks if I want to give a child an antibiotic

and I have on 2 ocassions. He's great for stitching and checking for red

ears but sucks at cleaning up vomit as he moans, " I'll barf if I have to

smell that " . and he believed in me when we drove 3 hours away with our

first baby so I could have a VBAC and I wanted to stop and have a repeat

(3rd) c-section as I was nervous and surgery was all I knew. I read the

info, gave him the mini version, and we really trusted our midwife. he told

me NO and kept driving to Michigan and I had my natural VBAC. He did all

this despite all his contemporaries and peers declaring we would have a CP

baby as this one had been breach up until the mw turned him a month ago and

as i'd had 2 previous sections, well, it must be because i needed them and

couldn't birth as nature intended.

So, i insist we make visits to DC as much as possible and he's under HPic

care and is amazed at what breastmilk does! He sneaks allopathic drugs (for

himself)sometimes as he's afraid of my reactions when he does (ya know, the

ranting and lectures and I am a natural redhead so I can get quite fearsome

in my rampages) but he has seen the miracle of HPic care so he encourages it

Also ,CST has been very beneficial and his practice's landlord is a DO

certified in that. All in all, I try not to discourage patients from

seeking his care (they shouldn't stop us on the street and try to get free

care, anyhow) by saying, " you should see a HP for that if you want a cure " .

He was a GP before I met him and I pretty much try not to think about his

job and what it entails. And then we go to dinners sponsored by drug

companies and i try not to throw my food at them and we went to a doctor's

dinner once and i put some of them in their place by asking if they'd even

read about the diet they were trashing and they admitted they hadn't. ah

well, i tell myself just a few more years til he can retire.

Laurie>Oh

[Guest guest]

Yes, there are and they are referred to as nosodes but are only to be used

it one suspects exposure to a certain disease or if traveling to a country

prevalent with a certain disease (at least that's my understanding from a

classical pov). I think a qualified HP would be in order and a consultation

as I don't know what the strength would be. And then if in the process of a

disease, best go with individual symptoms. I suppose it would be possible

to get the disease's symptoms if using a nosode without cause thus proving

the remedy. How yucky would that be?

Laurie>Oh

-- Re: Private Healthcare in US does not have to cover

the unvaxed??

are there any alternative homeopatics to vaccines?? thanks kim