Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

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I'm not Joan, but in my humble opinion, what's affecting us is not just one

mite, but a group of different types of mites plus collembola. There are bird

mites, sure, but there are also Demodex. I believe, from seeing pictures that

people have posted, that these are two of the chief culprits. I've also read of

humans being bitten by dust mites. Sometimes I will feel itching or burning on

my face or body, and when I touch it, my skin feels like it's covered in a layer

of dust - stinging dust! I think those are the ones that fly on little white

fibers, like dust. Except dust doesn't dance up and down in the absence of a

breeze... I have pulled bird mites off my skin, and they are a bit bigger than

the dust but not much. Demodex I don't see, but I damn sure feel them. I think

they cause what you guys have called the face " whispies. "

There's a big microscopic world out there - I find it shocking that our medical

community has ignored this for so long, even willfully denied that it existed.

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> > > > > >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been

approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have

already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals,

boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am

debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it

would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will

also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

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will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't

seem to be bothered by this.

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20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my

first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

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am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol

dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the

money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to

blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is

here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.

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My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite do

you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have been

diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they look

like in motion?

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been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I

have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol

crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I

am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it

would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will

also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

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will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't

seem to be bothered by this.

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over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it

from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my

mother, my second husband, or any friends.

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I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol

dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the

money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to

blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is

here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.

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[Guest guest]

I didn't realize that you were talking to me, I thought you were talking to

Joan, and I butted in! LOL

I've never seen one up close, I don't have a microscope, but the bird mites were

in my nose and very small, roundish, and reddish in color, and all uniform in

size and shape. I've looked at them through a magnifying glass but it's not

really close enough to see them move. My vision is not what it used to be too (I

need glasses).

The flying dust looks like dust to the naked eye, except that it dances up and

down, like hovering gnats do. It doesn't look like a bug, but it's not just

dust.

After I do an epsom salt pour, which I do if I feel them crawling, there are

tons of little dead roundish things - kind of white or clear. At first I thought

it was dead skin, but again, all the same size and shape...kind of like grains

of salt, but not as " sharp " .

Also, at a different stage (I think), there are smooshy little oblong crawlies

that look like some kind of teeny-tiny larvae or worm - at least that's the only

thing I can think of that they might be. They are white and kind of gooshy, not

hard. But I don't get many of those.

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> My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite do

you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have been

diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they look

like in motion?

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No worries, my dear. I too am blind! Do you think you have bird mites? That

seems to be the question of the day. If so, has a PCO or entemolgist identified

Red or Northern Fowl Mite? I'm sorry to harp on the subject but it's important

we verify what we're dealing with before dispensing advice.

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> > My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite

do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have

been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they

look like in motion?

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yesyesyes!!! When the heat and air guys removed and replaced an old furnace from our attic, there were these soft looking charcoal gray balls on my floor everywhere, and they bit like heck!!! Tell me dust mites haven't figured out that blooooood tastes better than skiiiin!!!

kj

From: lianasama <lianeblanco@...>Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battlebird mites Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 3:26 AM

I'm not Joan, but in my humble opinion, what's affecting us is not just one mite, but a group of different types of mites plus collembola. There are bird mites, sure, but there are also Demodex. I believe, from seeing pictures that people have posted, that these are two of the chief culprits. I've also read of humans being bitten by dust mites. Sometimes I will feel itching or burning on my face or body, and when I touch it, my skin feels like it's covered in a layer of dust - stinging dust! I think those are the ones that fly on little white fibers, like dust. Except dust doesn't dance up and down in the absence of a breeze... I have pulled bird mites off my skin, and they are a bit bigger than the dust but not much. Demodex I don't see, but I damn sure feel them. I think they cause what you guys have called the face "whispies."There's a big microscopic world out there - I find it shocking that our medical community has ignored this for so

long, even willfully denied that it existed. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon

of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not

my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

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About Trish. I was skeptical about her motives to start with. No more.

True, Trish cannot spell, and needs an editor. This is clear on her website and product labels. However, it is faulty logic to assume that an inability to spell means that she cannot make a good product. If this reasoning were valid, then I would have to leave my excellent mechanic, who cannot spell "differential," and trade with the crook down the street who can.

And by the way, ask Trish about sulfur.

Half my kitchen cabinets are filled with herbs, oils, additives, and containers. However, I love and can sometimes afford the ubiquitous ESP New Hope II Balm. I love the lotion bar, and once I tried the technique Sue and Bessie both shared with me (thank you very much), have been using the soap as a mask ever since. Whether and how often to share that is up to me.

Finally, I do not for one minute think that anyone in this group is ignorant. Far from it. And, they/we have been to hell and back. There are few topics that haven't been discussed by the current set of members at least 3 or 4 times. And I'm talking about discussions, not 3 or 4 posts. Many of the group members are skillful writers. However, even those who are slightly less polished are no less credible because of it.

What I can't help but wonder when I hear one person suggest another refrain from saying something is, what is going on with the writer? Personally, I am crankiest when things are going badly at home or work. Many here have been divorced, evicted, or fired since I arrived less than a year ago.

Please be patient. I believe we are desperate people who are trying to be friendly and pleasant. If someone here says something lighthearted at all, or about a pet, anything not about bugs, what it tells me is that for that day, they might be okay, and that lifts my heart.

katie

P.S. I hid a typo in this post. Just for fum.

> > > > >> > > > > > >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting! > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >>

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Our mites are tiny black or dark brown about the size of the period at the end of this sentence. I have to use a strong microscope to see the detail on them. I have a few pictures on the photos section of bird mites site but I was taking pictures with my camera through the lens of the microscope so didn't get a really good picture. Most don't have all the legs etc, but you can tell they are creatures. Dr. Ben Oldag at CedarCide identified them for me as bird mites. I sent him a few samples I had lifted with scotch tape. As far as using CedarCide, I love it, but the smell gets to Neal pretty quick and he has not really felt up to fogging the whole house again like we did first time. If we do use again will probably use an igr with it, but right now he seldom feels anything and usually that is when he has been outside mowing or trimming. I think the Roach Prufe has done more good in our home than anything we have used, and believe me, we tried almost everything other than tenting or heat treating the house. It really takes a long time to get your surroundings clear of the demons and then I intend to keep using the RP in washing clothes. I hope you will have success in your own battle. A lot of people evidently have because they don't post anymore. I stay on because I think they are everywhere now and once you get them you have to be extra vigilent. I don't know why they don't like me but I am very glad they don't. My poor husband has severe rheumatoid arthritis and has enough problems with that, not to mention fighting the mites. We used to feed a lot of birds but quit when we found out what our problem was.

I believe the trick to using CedarCide is to saturate everything and don't vacuum or mop for at least 10 days. The spray does kill the remaining eggs and larvae when it has a chance to penetrate everything. We did a lot of communicating with Dave Glassel at CedarCide while we were treating and he gave us specific directions which we followed. I know this company is trustworthy from our experience with them. That does not mean it will work for everyone as I am sure you have read on the blogs. It seems we might all have something just a little different.

Good luck with your treatments and don't let up even when you think they are gone. We found that out the hard way.

Joan

Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Dear Joan, what do your dead mites look like? We see black "things" under our bed sheets and we still have no idea what they are. My husband is hardly bothered because he smokes, but I see the "things" under his side of the bed as well. He's a carrier, I think. Do you suspect you have bird mites or something else? I ask because I think it's important to document what works with what genus of mite. So far it appears many of us are grasping at straws, myself included. We have thought of using Cedarcide too but haven't noted enough efficacy to justify the expense. Are you still using it? We are currently using "Tempo" but would gladly switch to Cedarcide if it actually works on NFM. BTW, Onslaught works well on carpets but I fear the things have built up a resistance to this chemical in our household, hence our desire to try something else. I also suspect the "things" build up resistance to non-chemical protocol. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting! > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >>

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Our mites looked like they were crawling pretty fast - rather like little tiny ants, however, Dr. Ben Oldag says they are capable of flying. Most people scoff at that but it makes sense they could spread to the whole home otherwise - especially the rooms that are not used much. Joan

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My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they look like in motion? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting! > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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I am wondering if a air cleaner would pull the floaty white mites in> I have one in basement and since I put it n I dont see any floaty's, or minimal--it has a pretty strong suction in it. I have only just heard that those are actual mites! I was only using it to clean the ar. I am gonna bring it upstairs andsee if it makes a difference--also has an ionic setting. Has anyone used one for mites?

From: lianasama <lianeblanco@...>bird mites Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:03:04 AMSubject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

I didn't realize that you were talking to me, I thought you were talking to Joan, and I butted in! LOLI've never seen one up close, I don't have a microscope, but the bird mites were in my nose and very small, roundish, and reddish in color, and all uniform in size and shape. I've looked at them through a magnifying glass but it's not really close enough to see them move. My vision is not what it used to be too (I need glasses). The flying dust looks like dust to the naked eye, except that it dances up and down, like hovering gnats do. It doesn't look like a bug, but it's not just dust.After I do an epsom salt pour, which I do if I feel them crawling, there are tons of little dead roundish things - kind of white or clear. At first I thought it was dead skin, but again, all the same size and shape...kind of like grains of salt, but not as "sharp".Also, at a different stage (I think), there are smooshy little oblong

crawlies that look like some kind of teeny-tiny larvae or worm - at least that's the only thing I can think of that they might be. They are white and kind of gooshy, not hard. But I don't get many of those.>> My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they look like in motion?>

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Dust mites don't bite humans but they are allergens... they feed on skin flakes.

But then we've thrown lots of textbook information out the window on this forum

(i.e., you can't get dog scabies - heck yeah you can!) so I'll never say never.

But there are specific mites that feed on dust mites that also bite ppl, among

the most abundant being what they call in japan " house mites " (literal

translation). If you get bit, you will have two small dots on your skin and

will itch. These dots are from their two large fangs that are used to devour

dust mites. So, the more dust mites a house has, the more of these house mites

there will be from simple cause and effect. In America, the extent of public

mite knowledge is rather limited to dust mites and scabies but in other

countries, there are more readily available information and products from major

pesticide companies to kill them.

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approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have

already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals,

boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am

debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it

would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will

also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

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will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't

seem to be bothered by this.

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20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my

first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

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am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol

dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the

money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to

blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is

here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.

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I, too, am strongly considering an air cleaner. The good ones are pricey,

though, so it's put the brakes on my plan. I need something that can recycle the

air in the room in good time, like around 500-700 CFM, and I would like UV

lights in it to kill whatever is trapped in the filters. I found one I liked a

week ago, but it was upward of a thousand bucks and I'm very hesitant to shell

out that kind of green for an air cleaner. I've since closed that tab in my

browser so I'm back to square one in research. But what are the alternatives? I

know these little demons float in the air just waiting to sink their claws into

you as you walk through the room, so it'd make sense that this would be a highly

effective way to murder them. If anyone here can share air cleaner experiences

I'd sure like to hear about them. I've got those Ionic cleaners that Sharper

Image sold, but they're worth a damn. I don't breathe easier with them on or

off. I need something that really moves the air.

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> > My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite

do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have

been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they

look like in motion?

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" Detoxing " is all the rage...not just among folks like us, but everywhere you

look. There is something to that.

I would think that we should all " detox " , especially people like me who threw

all precautions to the wind and took awful chances with the things that I did to

myself.

Well, I did (and still do after more than a year of being pretty much OK). I

think that whatever people use, especially if they have compromised organ

systems, is wise. Maybe even just add milk thistle to your regimen for liver

support.

My opinion only here, but I would also practice detox regimens when using all

natural, even organic oils, etc. Not everything that is organic is " safe " when

driven into the body....permethrin is derived from chyranthemums, as a simple

example.

Bessie

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> > >> Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved

for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already

ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid,

and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether

or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if

I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

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> > >> I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be

treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to

be bothered by this.

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> > >> Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years.

It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

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> > >> Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a

mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

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Funny you should look into this b/c I was searching for them last week. I

didn't like the notion of them floating around in the air. But when I saw how

much " real " air purfiers were ($1000) as opposed to toy ones for a few hundred

bucks, I stopped looking. I do like your idea tho - to traps airbornes and kill

them with UV.

I think ppls vacuum cleaners can be problematic too. No matter how good the

filteration is advertised to be, it's probably blowing out these buggers. Rita

mentioned that her vacuum cleaner works really well. It's like a Rainbow

cleaner where instead of bags, it's a water basin that catches all the junk so

only clean air comes out.

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> > > My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite

do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have

been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they

look like in motion?

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Rush -

I use air cleaner, UVC light/air cleaner, ionizer, and ozonator. I can't swear

to any of it, but I know I am living in the house that was so " infested " that I

left in the middle of the night in Nov of 2007. I came back here last August

and am still OK. I do 100 other things, so I take it with a grain of salt (or

maybe a sack of salt!)

Bessie

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> > My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite

do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have

been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they

look like in motion?

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Bessie,

Are those compact into one, or searate machines?? know someone had heat blasted there house with vortex heaters, this house is so big that I just wouldnt stand a chance trying to clean it or fog it--so I am just at a loss as to what to do. I only just realized the floaty things arent just dust(I guess some could be) so I know there is a lot of those things in here. There is a dehumidfier throughout. Never tried to see how hot I could get this house with the heat on--I guess it would only go so high. By the way--you are one of my favorite posters on this site!! I think you bring so much good information. I knew exactly why you mentioned your cat!

From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@...>bird mites Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:45:02 PMSubject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Rush -I use air cleaner, UVC light/air cleaner, ionizer, and ozonator. I can't swear to any of it, but I know I am living in the house that was so "infested" that I left in the middle of the night in Nov of 2007. I came back here last August and am still OK. I do 100 other things, so I take it with a grain of salt (or maybe a sack of salt!)Bessie> >> > My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite do you

think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they look like in motion?> >>

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I too have noticed these floaty things, but I thought that being a smoker, they were simply ashes or smoke.Here is a plan that I am going to implement.Buy a high quality hepa filter, and in my case make sure its rated for smoke.Buy a fan or use one you alreaedy have.follow this video. perhaps addition of some contact bug killer could be helpful as well.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZBMPemlMM8--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Rush Tessman <rushtessman@...> wrote:From: Rush Tessman <rushtessman@...>Subject: Re: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battlebird mites Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 10:11 AM

I am wondering if a air cleaner would pull the floaty white mites in> I have one in basement and since I put it n I dont see any floaty's, or minimal--it has a pretty strong suction in it. I have only just heard that those are actual mites! I was only using it to clean the ar. I am gonna bring it upstairs andsee if it makes a difference-- also has an ionic setting. Has anyone used one for mites?

From: lianasama <lianeblanco@ gmail.com>bird mitesSent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:03:04 AMSubject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

I didn't realize that you were talking to me, I thought you were talking to Joan, and I butted in! LOLI've never seen one up close, I don't have a microscope, but the bird mites were in my nose and very small, roundish, and reddish in color, and all uniform in size and shape. I've looked at them through a magnifying glass but it's not really close enough to see them move. My vision is not what it used to be too (I need glasses). The flying dust looks like dust to the naked eye, except that it dances up and down, like hovering gnats do. It doesn't look like a bug, but it's not just dust.After I do an epsom salt pour, which I do if I feel them crawling, there are tons of little dead roundish things - kind of white or clear. At first I thought it was dead skin, but again, all the same size and shape...kind of like grains of salt, but not as "sharp".Also, at a different stage (I think), there are smooshy little oblong

crawlies that look like some kind of teeny-tiny larvae or worm - at least that's the only thing I can think of that they might be. They are white and kind of gooshy, not hard. But I don't get many of those.>> My apologies for misquoting your name, but the question remains: what mite do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they look like in motion?>

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Rush -

It is a combined unit....unfortunately I just found out today that it's been

discontinued. The maker was Oxyfresh - it's still on their website. I think I

better contact them for replacement bulbs!

btw...thank you, Rush....

Bessie

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do you think is affecting your person? Do you think it's a bird mite? We have

been diagnosed with bird mites but havent' seen them in motion. What do they

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Ours too are black and dark brown. I have never actually seen a bug " in action, "

yet I see inorganic black pepper under the sheets (especially where I've laid

DE) or wherever I run a baby wipe over itchy bits on my person, black dots

magically appear. More dots seem to equate to more itch, at least for me. Thank

you for sharing your Cedarcide experience. My excuse for a PCO had never heard

of it. He sprayed Onslaught with some success on our carpeted areas, at least.

The wood floors are another matter entirely, as apparently the things retreat

deep within the grooves and subflooring. I do believe it's time to equip the

house with a ULV fogger so as to elude the escape artists.

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approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have

already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals,

boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am

debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it

would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will

also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

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will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't

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20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my

first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

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am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol

dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the

money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to

blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is

here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.

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It was hard for me to realize all the places a mite could hide. The cracks in the floors was a big problem here and I used to stand and look at all them trying to figure out a way to reach what ever may have crawled down in those places. The RP powder seems to have reached in the floor cracks because that was the first place that seemed clear of the things after we applied the powder. Rita

Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Ours too are black and dark brown. I have never actually seen a bug "in action," yet I see inorganic black pepper under the sheets (especially where I've laid DE) or wherever I run a baby wipe over itchy bits on my person, black dots magically appear. More dots seem to equate to more itch, at least for me. Thank you for sharing your Cedarcide experience. My excuse for a PCO had never heard of it. He sprayed Onslaught with some success on our carpeted areas, at least. The wood floors are another matter entirely, as apparently the things retreat deep within the grooves and subflooring. I do believe it's time to equip the house with a ULV fogger so as to elude the escape artists. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting! > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >> >>

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Rita, what's your ETA for cleaning up RP from your home?

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been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I

have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol

crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I

am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it

would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will

also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

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over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it

from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my

mother, my second husband, or any friends.

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dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the

money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to

blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is

here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.

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