Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

[Guest guest]

Very happy for you that you got funded and you are going for them

--- lianeblanco@... wrote:

From: " lianasama " <lianeblanco@...>

bird mites

Subject: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:40:03 -0000

Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for

Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered

a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and

Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or

not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I

could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my

dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered

by this.

Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It

doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental

case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo,

and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try

anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of

money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I

can learn from others' mistakes.

Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is

so exciting!

[Guest guest]

Congratulations! If I may be so bold, what did the SSA diagnose you with? Yeah,

brewing up your own balms and such is a great idea and has kept us out of the

po' house. My husband just made up a new batch of body and face balm for me

today and it's even better than the last. This time, we substituted shea butter

for half the required beeswax. The best thing about concocting your own products

is they are tailor made for your specific situation - and anyone can make them

(no chemistry degree required). I require lots of menthol and sulfur in my

balms, but good luck finding that combination in a prepared product anywhere.

And even if I could, I wouldn't pay their obscene prices. Please keep in touch

and perhaps we can exchange recipes!

>

> Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for

Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered

a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and

Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or

not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I

could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

>

> I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating

my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be

bothered by this.

>

> Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It

doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

>

> Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a

mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

>

> Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things

is so exciting!

>

[Guest guest]

I like my ESP soap!! it is sooo worth the $8:00 per bar--lasts me about 3 months, lets see thats about $2.50 per month, for something that makes a tremendous difference in my life!! I'm glad that you like having your husand make your soap for you--I dont have time for that nor do I want to go out and purchase the ingredients. So ESP botanicals is the way to go for me!! Dont really think I could concoct anything better. Just my opinion!

From: "vscribe@..." <vscribe@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:48:34 PMSubject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Congratulations! If I may be so bold, what did the SSA diagnose you with? Yeah, brewing up your own balms and such is a great idea and has kept us out of the po' house. My husband just made up a new batch of body and face balm for me today and it's even better than the last. This time, we substituted shea butter for half the required beeswax. The best thing about concocting your own products is they are tailor made for your specific situation - and anyone can make them (no chemistry degree required). I require lots of menthol and sulfur in my balms, but good luck finding that combination in a prepared product anywhere. And even if I could, I wouldn't pay their obscene prices. Please keep in touch and perhaps we can exchange recipes! >> Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this.> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second

husband, or any friends. > > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting!>

[Guest guest]

Rush, did you not say, that you went to Dr. Kolb in Atlanta and now on sporanox, avelox, epicore ?

If so, please give me more details ?

How did you initiate the contact?

Was there any blood tests involved?

How much time did she invest in your visit?

Any pre-medical documents required?

Most important? Did she get skin biopsies?

Thanks so much

Marguerite in San Francisco

From: Rush Tessman <rushtessman@...>Subject: Re: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battlebird mites Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 6:29 PM

I like my ESP soap!! it is sooo worth the $8:00 per bar--lasts me about 3 months, lets see thats about $2.50 per month, for something that makes a tremendous difference in my life!! I'm glad that you like having your husand make your soap for you--I dont have time for that nor do I want to go out and purchase the ingredients. So ESP botanicals is the way to go for me!! Dont really think I could concoct anything better. Just my opinion!

From: "vscribe@rocketmail .com" <vscriberocketmail (DOT) .com>bird mitesSent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:48:34 PMSubject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Congratulations! If I may be so bold, what did the SSA diagnose you with? Yeah, brewing up your own balms and such is a great idea and has kept us out of the po' house. My husband just made up a new batch of body and face balm for me today and it's even better than the last. This time, we substituted shea butter for half the required beeswax. The best thing about concocting your own products is they are tailor made for your specific situation - and anyone can make them (no chemistry degree required). I require lots of menthol and sulfur in my balms, but good luck finding that combination in a prepared product anywhere. And even if I could, I wouldn't pay their obscene prices. Please keep in touch and perhaps we can exchange recipes! >> Well, after 3 years of being sick

as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this.> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > Over the years,

(after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting!>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I really like that soap too. If you want a decent substitute at a much

better price there's Dr. Bronner's Hemp Peppermint bar (thanks Trly for the

suggestion) and it's available most everywhere, I think. Nothing but the best

ingredients, and it comes in other varieties. For the homemade balm, most of

the ingredients are readily available or can be purchased online for a fraction

of the price of the prepared stuff. And it doesn't take long to make an

excellent, individualized balm. Don't hesitate to ask for my help if you ever

decide to go this route. I hate seeing folks lose money fighting this demon.

Talk about adding insult to injury.

> >

> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for

Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered

a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and

Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or

not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I

could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

> >

> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating

my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be

bothered by this.

> >

> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It

doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

> >

> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a

mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

> >

> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things

is so exciting!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Marguerite,

Yes, I did go to Dr. Kolb in Atlanta--I saw her last month. I'm not sure if you are familiar with the drugs I mentioned--Avelox, antibiotic, she prescribed for a month, sporonox is an antifungal this is a drug that you take intermittanly for three months, epicore--used for animals originally, but they discovered the workers handling this rarely got sick with anything, very good for immune system. She did not get any skin biopsies, I guess they have seen so much of this, and at this point the biopsies are not really the issue(although I really want to know what this is) I think it is a combination of things, but most of the patients she see are dealing with a combination. I had read about her on this site--she is pretty close to my home--only about a 2 1/2 hour drive. She did pretty extensive blood work on me, I had extremely low levels of vitamin D--which is crucial, but many with this have low

levels. She spent about an hour with me, probablky would have spent longer but she was doing a radio interview with the brittishb broadcasting network, and was alreay an hour late to see me. She had patients that had flown in from other parts of the world to see her . There was a questionaire to fill out. I am feeling much better most of the time since seeing her, but still got a ways to go before i am over this

From: Marguerite <gentlebaybreeze2@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:44:49 PMSubject: Re: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Rush, did you not say, that you went to Dr. Kolb in Atlanta and now on sporanox, avelox, epicore ?

If so, please give me more details ?

How did you initiate the contact?

Was there any blood tests involved?

How much time did she invest in your visit?

Any pre-medical documents required?

Most important? Did she get skin biopsies?

Thanks so much

Marguerite in San Francisco

From: Rush Tessman <rushtessman>Subject: Re: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battlebird mitesDate: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 6:29 PM

I like my ESP soap!! it is sooo worth the $8:00 per bar--lasts me about 3 months, lets see thats about $2.50 per month, for something that makes a tremendous difference in my life!! I'm glad that you like having your husand make your soap for you--I dont have time for that nor do I want to go out and purchase the ingredients. So ESP botanicals is the way to go for me!! Dont really think I could concoct anything better. Just my opinion!

From: "vscribe@rocketmail .com" <vscriberocketmail (DOT) .com>bird mitesSent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:48:34 PMSubject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Congratulations! If I may be so bold, what did the SSA diagnose you with? Yeah, brewing up your own balms and such is a great idea and has kept us out of the po' house. My husband just made up a new batch of body and face balm for me today and it's even better than the last. This time, we substituted shea butter for half the required beeswax. The best thing about concocting your own products is they are tailor made for your specific situation - and anyone can make them (no chemistry degree required). I require lots of menthol and sulfur in my balms, but good luck finding that combination in a prepared product anywhere. And even if I could, I wouldn't pay their obscene prices. Please keep in touch and perhaps we can exchange recipes! >> Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this.> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second

husband, or any friends. > > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting!>

[Guest guest]

Yeah--I have used the bronners hemp peppermint. It is good, but not anything like the Esp, that soap just reaaly draws things out--unbelievable!

From: "vscribe@..." <vscribe@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:57:35 PMSubject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Yeah, I really like that soap too. If you want a decent substitute at a much better price there's Dr. Bronner's Hemp Peppermint bar (thanks Trly for the suggestion) and it's available most everywhere, I think. Nothing but the best ingredients, and it comes in other varieties. For the homemade balm, most of the ingredients are readily available or can be purchased online for a fraction of the price of the prepared stuff. And it doesn't take long to make an excellent, individualized balm. Don't hesitate to ask for my help if you ever decide to go this route. I hate seeing folks lose money fighting this demon. Talk about adding insult to injury. > >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol

crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.> > > > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this.> > > > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > > > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo,

and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.> > > > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting!> >>

[Guest guest]

Be sure and dissolve a borate, any borate, in water (you may have to heat the

water to boiling before it will dissolve, though some borates are water soluble

at room temp) and spray every absorbent or soft surface in your home with this

every 6 months. Be sure to mix in some Nylar when you do it, along with

something to prevent your being bitten (you've been around this, you probably

already know everything I'm saying, so thx for your patience) such as a strong

citrus cleaner, windex, or vinegar (which will hide your scent so maybe they

won't know to bite you), though anything that will stun or confuse their sense

of smell will work. For a first spraying with this mixture, I would go heavier

on anything that can handle a high level of moisture such as carpet, drapes,

bedding, sofas, chairs, porous or unfinished wood floors or furniture

(orthoborates are sold as Tim-Bor to be dissolved in water and sprayed on wood

before construction to prevent--forever--termite infestations). I even spray the

stucco walls in my sunroom and (a bit more lightly) all the wallpaper in my

house (a lot). Definitely want to come back and puff those wallpaper edges and

all outlets and fixtures with a borate. My favorite puffer/duster is the Chapin

rose duster. It is available all over the internet for around $15 and shipping.

I love it. You can tilt it to get a lighter or heavier puff, and can cover a

room in seconds. Get a respirator and close fitting goggles as someone mentioned

here, or snorkeling goggles if nothing else. I got the RP in my lungs, as many

here have, and it has taken about a week to start to feel clear of it--and I

didn't think I was in danger with the little bit I was puffing that day. So be

careful.

OK, once again, any of this you already know, probably most of it, oh well. If

any of it helps, I guess it was worth the read! Good luck and keep us posted.

katiejill

>

> Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for

Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered

a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and

Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or

not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I

could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

>

> I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating

my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be

bothered by this.

>

> Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It

doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

>

> Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a

mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

>

> Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things

is so exciting!

>

[Guest guest]

And it smells great too. I need to get the hubby to concoct something similar,

'cause even the Dr. Bronner's is bloody expensive compared to the regular stuff.

Anyone have any good soap-making recipes?

> > >

> > > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved

for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already

ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid,

and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether

or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if

I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

> > >

> > > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be

treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to

be bothered by this.

> > >

> > > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years.

It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

> > >

> > > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a

mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

> > >

> > > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these

things is so exciting!

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rush, thank you for taking time out to write back, I very much appreciate your effort.

In anticipation of my visit to Dr. Kolb ASAP, Atlanta I am quite familiar with, I used to live there a spell while back and also could visit some of my ex in-laws.

Marguerite

From: Rush Tessman <rushtessman>Subject: Re: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battlebird mitesDate: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 6:29 PM

I like my ESP soap!! it is sooo worth the $8:00 per bar--lasts me about 3 months, lets see thats about $2.50 per month, for something that makes a tremendous difference in my life!! I'm glad that you like having your husand make your soap for you--I dont have time for that nor do I want to go out and purchase the ingredients. So ESP botanicals is the way to go for me!! Dont really think I could concoct anything better. Just my opinion!

From: "vscribe@rocketmail .com" <vscriberocketmail (DOT) .com>bird mitesSent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:48:34 PMSubject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Congratulations! If I may be so bold, what did the SSA diagnose you with? Yeah, brewing up your own balms and such is a great idea and has kept us out of the po' house. My husband just made up a new batch of body and face balm for me today and it's even better than the last. This time, we substituted shea butter for half the required beeswax. The best thing about concocting your own products is they are tailor made for your specific situation - and anyone can make them (no chemistry degree required). I require lots of menthol and sulfur in my balms, but good luck finding that combination in a prepared product anywhere. And even if I could, I wouldn't pay their obscene prices. Please keep in touch and perhaps we can exchange recipes! >> Well, after 3 years of being sick

as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this.> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > Over the years,

(after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting!>

[Guest guest]

anyone fell free with suggestions of getting my new adorable loft apartment (two story) in anti critter shape, it has a brand new carpet, stairs and all. At this point after having lived in three apartments in one year with hardwood floors, I do not believe it makes a difference. The only commonality was the screaming abscence of my deposit security check, you can guess why? a bit too much combat mode , LOL

Thanks for any input

Soon to be overlooking Sausalito harbor from my roof top deck adjecent to my loft and these pets of mine are not invited.

Marguerite

From: katiejill109 <kajay109@...>Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battlebird mites Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 7:10 PM

Be sure and dissolve a borate, any borate, in water (you may have to heat the water to boiling before it will dissolve, though some borates are water soluble at room temp) and spray every absorbent or soft surface in your home with this every 6 months. Be sure to mix in some Nylar when you do it, along with something to prevent your being bitten (you've been around this, you probably already know everything I'm saying, so thx for your patience) such as a strong citrus cleaner, windex, or vinegar (which will hide your scent so maybe they won't know to bite you), though anything that will stun or confuse their sense of smell will work. For a first spraying with this mixture, I would go heavier on anything that can handle a high level of moisture such as carpet, drapes, bedding, sofas, chairs, porous or unfinished wood floors or furniture (orthoborates are sold as Tim-Bor to be dissolved in water and sprayed on wood before construction to

prevent--forever- -termite infestations) . I even spray the stucco walls in my sunroom and (a bit more lightly) all the wallpaper in my house (a lot). Definitely want to come back and puff those wallpaper edges and all outlets and fixtures with a borate. My favorite puffer/duster is the Chapin rose duster. It is available all over the internet for around $15 and shipping. I love it. You can tilt it to get a lighter or heavier puff, and can cover a room in seconds. Get a respirator and close fitting goggles as someone mentioned here, or snorkeling goggles if nothing else. I got the RP in my lungs, as many here have, and it has taken about a week to start to feel clear of it--and I didn't think I was in danger with the little bit I was puffing that day. So be careful.OK, once again, any of this you already know, probably most of it, oh well. If any of it helps, I guess it was worth the read! Good luck and keep us

posted.katiejill>> Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this.> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this

thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting!>

[Guest guest]

good to hear cuz have to order Esp soap and was waffling about it

--- rushtessman@... wrote:

From: Rush Tessman <rushtessman@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:29:13 -0700 (PDT)

I like my ESP soap!! it is sooo worth the $8:00 per bar--lasts me about 3

months, lets see thats about $2.50 per month, for something that makes a

tremendous difference in my life!!  I'm glad that you like having your husand

make your soap for you--I dont have time for that nor do I want to go out and

purchase the ingredients.  So ESP botanicals is the way to go for me!!  Dont

really think I could concoct anything better.  Just my opinion!

________________________________

From: " vscribe@... " <vscribe@...>

bird mites

Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:48:34 PM

Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Congratulations! If I may be so bold, what did the SSA diagnose you with? Yeah,

brewing up your own balms and such is a great idea and has kept us out of the

po' house. My husband just made up a new batch of body and face balm for me

today and it's even better than the last. This time, we substituted shea butter

for half the required beeswax. The best thing about concocting your own products

is they are tailor made for your specific situation - and anyone can make them

(no chemistry degree required). I require lots of menthol and sulfur in my

balms, but good luck finding that combination in a prepared product anywhere.

And even if I could, I wouldn't pay their obscene prices. Please keep in touch

and perhaps we can exchange recipes!

>

> Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for

Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered

a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and

Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or

not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I

could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

>

> I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating

my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be

bothered by this.

>

> Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It

doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

>

> Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a

mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

>

> Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things

is so exciting!

>

[Guest guest]

Any of you guys on Nutrasilver???

--- gentlebaybreeze2@... wrote:

From: Marguerite <gentlebaybreeze2@...>

bird mites

Subject: Re: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:34:08 -0700 (PDT)

anyone fell free with suggestions of getting my new adorable loft apartment (two

story) in anti critter shape, it has a brand new carpet, stairs and all. At this

point after having lived in three apartments in one year with hardwood floors, I

do not believe it makes a difference. The only commonality was the screaming

abscence of my deposit security check, you can guess why? a bit too much combat

mode , LOL

 

Thanks for any input

 

Soon to be overlooking Sausalito harbor from my roof top deck adjecent to my

loft and these pets of mine are not invited.

 

Marguerite

From: katiejill109 <kajay109@...>

Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

bird mites

Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 7:10 PM

Be sure and dissolve a borate, any borate, in water (you may have to heat the

water to boiling before it will dissolve, though some borates are water soluble

at room temp) and spray every absorbent or soft surface in your home with this

every 6 months. Be sure to mix in some Nylar when you do it, along with

something to prevent your being bitten (you've been around this, you probably

already know everything I'm saying, so thx for your patience) such as a strong

citrus cleaner, windex, or vinegar (which will hide your scent so maybe they

won't know to bite you), though anything that will stun or confuse their sense

of smell will work. For a first spraying with this mixture, I would go heavier

on anything that can handle a high level of moisture such as carpet, drapes,

bedding, sofas, chairs, porous or unfinished wood floors or furniture

(orthoborates are sold as Tim-Bor to be dissolved in water and sprayed on wood

before construction to prevent--forever-

-termite infestations) . I even spray the stucco walls in my sunroom and (a bit

more lightly) all the wallpaper in my house (a lot). Definitely want to come

back and puff those wallpaper edges and all outlets and fixtures with a borate.

My favorite puffer/duster is the Chapin rose duster. It is available all over

the internet for around $15 and shipping. I love it. You can tilt it to get a

lighter or heavier puff, and can cover a room in seconds. Get a respirator and

close fitting goggles as someone mentioned here, or snorkeling goggles if

nothing else. I got the RP in my lungs, as many here have, and it has taken

about a week to start to feel clear of it--and I didn't think I was in danger

with the little bit I was puffing that day. So be careful.

OK, once again, any of this you already know, probably most of it, oh well. If

any of it helps, I guess it was worth the read! Good luck and keep us posted.

katiejill

>

> Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for

Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered

a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and

Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or

not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I

could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

>

> I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating

my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be

bothered by this.

>

> Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It

doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

>

> Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a

mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

>

> Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things

is so exciting!

>

[Guest guest]

I started to take Sovereign Colloidal silver, I think it is helping From: katiejill109 <kajay109 (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle bird mites Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 7:10 PM Be sure and dissolve a borate, any borate, in water (you may have to heat the water to boiling before it will dissolve, though some borates are water soluble at room temp) and spray every absorbent or soft surface in your home with this every 6 months.

Be sure to mix in some Nylar when you do it, along with something to prevent your being bitten (you've been around this, you probably already know everything I'm saying, so thx for your patience) such as a strong citrus cleaner, windex, or vinegar (which will hide your scent so maybe they won't know to bite you), though anything that will stun or confuse their sense of smell will work. For a first spraying with this mixture, I would go heavier on anything that can handle a high level of moisture such as carpet, drapes, bedding, sofas, chairs, porous or unfinished wood floors or furniture (orthoborates are sold as Tim-Bor to be dissolved in water and sprayed on wood before construction to prevent--forever- -termite infestations) . I even spray the stucco walls in my sunroom and (a bit more lightly) all the wallpaper in my house (a lot). Definitely want to come back and puff those wallpaper edges and all outlets and fixtures with a borate. My favorite

puffer/duster is the Chapin rose duster. It is available all over the internet for around $15 and shipping. I love it. You can tilt it to get a lighter or heavier puff, and can cover a room in seconds. Get a respirator and close fitting goggles as someone mentioned here, or snorkeling goggles if nothing else. I got the RP in my lungs, as many here have, and it has taken about a week to start to feel clear of it--and I didn't think I was in danger with the little bit I was puffing that day. So be careful. OK, once again, any of this you already know, probably most of it, oh well. If any of it helps, I guess it was worth the read! Good luck and keep us posted. katiejill > > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon

of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning. > > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this. > > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol

dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes. > > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting! >

[Guest guest]

Are u in San Fran area?? I have stayed in Saulsoltio, loved it!

From: Marguerite <gentlebaybreeze2@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:07:18 PMSubject: Re: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

I started to take Sovereign Colloidal silver, I think it is helping From: katiejill109 <kajay109 (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle bird mites Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 7:10 PM

Be sure and dissolve a borate, any borate, in water (you may have to heat the water to boiling before it will dissolve, though some borates are water soluble at room temp) and spray every absorbent or soft surface in your home with this every 6 months. Be sure to mix in some Nylar when you do it, along with something to prevent your being bitten (you've been around this, you probably already know everything I'm saying, so thx for your patience) such as a strong citrus cleaner, windex, or vinegar (which will hide your scent so maybe they won't know to bite you), though anything that will stun or confuse their sense of smell will work. For a first spraying with this mixture, I would go heavier on anything that can handle a high level of moisture such as carpet, drapes, bedding, sofas, chairs, porous or unfinished wood floors or furniture (orthoborates are sold as Tim-Bor to be dissolved in water and sprayed on wood

before construction to prevent--forever- -termite infestations) . I even spray the stucco walls in my sunroom and (a bit more lightly) all the wallpaper in my house (a lot). Definitely want to come back and puff those wallpaper edges and all outlets and fixtures with a borate. My favorite puffer/duster is the Chapin rose duster. It is available all over the internet for around $15 and shipping. I love it. You can tilt it to get a lighter or heavier puff, and can cover a room in seconds. Get a respirator and close fitting goggles as someone mentioned here, or snorkeling goggles if nothing else. I got the RP in my lungs, as many here have, and it has taken about a week to start to feel clear of it--and I didn't think I was in danger with the little bit I was puffing that day. So be careful. OK, once again, any of this you already know, probably most of it, oh well. If any of it helps, I guess it was worth the read! Good luck and keep us

posted. katiejill > > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning. > > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this. > > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not

very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes. > > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting! >

[Guest guest]

Yes, Rush !

Now how do I overcome my fear of re infestation of another apartment ?

LOL

2 1/2 hours away from Atlanta you live, where?

May we hook up for a spell when visiting Dr. Kolb?

write to me via private email and tell me all about how it is going for you, thanks. M From: katiejill109 <kajay109 (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle bird mites Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 7:10 PM Be sure and dissolve a borate, any borate, in water (you may have to heat the water to boiling before it will dissolve, though some borates are water soluble at room temp) and spray every absorbent or soft surface in your home with this every 6 months.

Be sure to mix in some Nylar when you do it, along with something to prevent your being bitten (you've been around this, you probably already know everything I'm saying, so thx for your patience) such as a strong citrus cleaner, windex, or vinegar (which will hide your scent so maybe they won't know to bite you), though anything that will stun or confuse their sense of smell will work. For a first spraying with this mixture, I would go heavier on anything that can handle a high level of moisture such as carpet, drapes, bedding, sofas, chairs, porous or unfinished wood floors or furniture (orthoborates are sold as Tim-Bor to be dissolved in water and sprayed on wood before construction to prevent--forever- -termite infestations) . I even spray the stucco walls in my sunroom and (a bit more lightly) all the wallpaper in my house (a lot). Definitely want to come back and puff those wallpaper edges and all outlets and fixtures with a borate. My favorite

puffer/duster is the Chapin rose duster. It is available all over the internet for around $15 and shipping. I love it. You can tilt it to get a lighter or heavier puff, and can cover a room in seconds. Get a respirator and close fitting goggles as someone mentioned here, or snorkeling goggles if nothing else. I got the RP in my lungs, as many here have, and it has taken about a week to start to feel clear of it--and I didn't think I was in danger with the little bit I was puffing that day. So be careful. OK, once again, any of this you already know, probably most of it, oh well. If any of it helps, I guess it was worth the read! Good luck and keep us posted. katiejill > > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon

of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning. > > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this. > > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol

dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes. > > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting! >

[Guest guest]

I concur on the hardwood flooring question. We have both hardwood and carpeted

areas in this house and for whatever reason, the hardwood floor is more

infested. I suspect the damn things get into the grooves. And it's harder to

treat because of the finish. Carpet, on the hand, can be saturated with just

about any chemical or borate. If I had my druthers the whole place would be

re-floored in rock or ceramic tile, as I am not a fan of carpet either. But do

hardwood again? I don't think so.

We had our carpet saturated with Onslaught when this hell first started, and it

kept them out of the carpet for a few months. We recently sprayed it with Tempo

and it's not doing as good a job, but time will tell, I suppose. Whatever you

spray make sure to add Nylar to the mix (thank you KJ for suggestion) so the

demons can't reproduce.

Enjoy your new view!

> >

> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for

Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered

a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and

Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or

not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I

could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

> >

> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating

my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be

bothered by this.

> >

> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It

doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

> >

> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a

mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

> >

> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things

is so exciting!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

it is one of the best things I have done for this!

From: Rose <rosebanks@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:55:43 PMSubject: Re: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

good to hear cuz have to order Esp soap and was waffling about it --- rushtessman wrote: From: Rush Tessman <rushtessman> bird mites@ groups.. com Subject: Re: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:29:13 -0700 (PDT) I like my ESP soap!! it is sooo worth the $8:00 per bar--lasts me about 3 months, lets see thats about $2.50 per month, for something that makes a tremendous difference in my life!! I'm glad that you like having your husand make your soap for you--I dont have time for that nor do I

want to go out and purchase the ingredients. So ESP botanicals is the way to go for me!! Dont really think I could concoct anything better. Just my opinion! ____________ _________ _________ __ From: "vscriberocketmail (DOT) com" <vscriberocketmail (DOT) com> bird mites Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:48:34 PM Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle Congratulations! If I may be so bold, what did the SSA diagnose you with? Yeah, brewing up your own balms and such is a great idea and has kept

us out of the po' house. My husband just made up a new batch of body and face balm for me today and it's even better than the last. This time, we substituted shea butter for half the required beeswax. The best thing about concocting your own products is they are tailor made for your specific situation - and anyone can make them (no chemistry degree required). I require lots of menthol and sulfur in my balms, but good luck finding that combination in a prepared product anywhere. And even if I could, I wouldn't pay their obscene prices. Please keep in touch and perhaps we can exchange recipes! > > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also

have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning. > > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this. > > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try

anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes. > > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting! >

[Guest guest]

thanks vscribe

From: vscribe@... <vscribe@...>Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battlebird mites Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 10:45 PM

I concur on the hardwood flooring question. We have both hardwood and carpeted areas in this house and for whatever reason, the hardwood floor is more infested. I suspect the damn things get into the grooves. And it's harder to treat because of the finish. Carpet, on the hand, can be saturated with just about any chemical or borate. If I had my druthers the whole place would be re-floored in rock or ceramic tile, as I am not a fan of carpet either. But do hardwood again? I don't think so. We had our carpet saturated with Onslaught when this hell first started, and it kept them out of the carpet for a few months. We recently sprayed it with Tempo and it's not doing as good a job, but time will tell, I suppose. Whatever you spray make sure to add Nylar to the mix (thank you KJ for suggestion) so the demons can't reproduce. Enjoy your new view! > >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.> > > > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be

treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this.> > > > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > > > > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.> > > > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so

exciting!> >>

[Guest guest]

I was diagnosed with Hep C years ago, but didn't start showing any symptoms

until about 2002. Then from about 2005 - on, my condition worsened rapidly and

when I finally got health care and a biopsy, cirrhosis was 4 on a scale of 1 to

4. I get very, very tired, have these perfectly alarming and frightening PLUNGES

in my weight, and am usually sick every morning. Also was dealing with

depression - I was clinically depressed for years but self-medicating - you know

that old sad tale. I am now on Celexa, which works wonders but is extremely

addictive - if I miss more than a day, I go through some very wierd withdrawals.

Better than being dead, though!

Yea, I have pretty much decided to make my own balms. I might buy the soap,

which is a little more in my reach. Menthol works well, I find, but it also

really pisses them off if they're on my skin, and they give me a dying bite.

I've got a bite now on my left boob, of all places. Nasty little suckers.

> >

> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for

Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered

a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and

Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or

not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I

could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

> >

> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating

my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be

bothered by this.

> >

> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It

doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

> >

> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a

mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

> >

> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things

is so exciting!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

oh yeah, gotta figure that when in shower they wash down and hang up wherever

they can so they can continue their freeloading. And when I an not in shower, it

is gravity that takes them to whatever lies below. For example, I wear shirts w

long sleeves to keep from getting new lesions from critters that come out of

hair or from face or neck. Cleavage always an issue since it is right there.

Tops of legs and feet require protection too, with feet under attack from above

and from floor, cuz of course those that do get off want back on. I have lesions

I keep in check w 2x daily doses of seabuckthorn berry oil, but if I hadn & #39;t

given in to a natural feminine desire to wear REAL girly summer clothes last

year, I wouldn & #39;t have that set of lesions. So on matter how got it gets here

in GA, I am covering up. I & #39;ll just avoid pool parties...for all the obvious

reasons. KJ

lianasama wrote:

> I was diagnosed with Hep C years ago, but didn't start showing any

symptoms until about 2002. Then from about 2005 - on, my condition worsened

rapidly and when I finally got health care and a biopsy, cirrhosis was 4 on a

scale of 1 to 4. I get very, very tired, have these perfectly alarming and

frightening PLUNGES in my weight, and am usually sick every morning. Also was

dealing with depression - I was clinically depressed for years but

self-medicating - you know that old sad tale. I am now on Celexa, which works

wonders but is extremely addictive - if I miss more than a day, I go through

some very wierd withdrawals. Better than being dead, though!

> Yea, I have pretty much decided to make my own balms. I might buy the soap,

which is a little more in my reach. Menthol works well, I find, but it also

really pisses them off if they're on my skin, and they give me a dying bite.

I've got a bite now on my left boob, of all places. Nasty little suckers.

>

>> >

>> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved

for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already

ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid,

and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether

or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if

I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

>> >

>> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be

treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to

be bothered by this.

>> >

>> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years.

It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

>> >

>> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a

mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

>> >

>> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these

things is so exciting!

>> >

>>

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, I was thinking the bird mites had factored into the disability equation.

Yes, making your own stuff is really the way to go. And now you'll have time on

your hands with your much deserved new income. I have to stay heavily covered in

balm most of the time, so it's just not practical to buy the prepared products.

I'd go broke! Some of these scam artists want $60 for an eight ounce tub of

balm! I can do the same thing at home for pennies on the dollar, and put into it

exactly what I want. When you start getting into it please post your recipes.

I'm sure you'll have some great ones.

> >> >

> >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved

for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already

ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid,

and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether

or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if

I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen

detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

> >> >

> >> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be

treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to

be bothered by this.

> >> >

> >> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years.

It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first

husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

> >> >

> >> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a

mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

> >> >

> >> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these

things is so exciting!

> >> >

> >>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow scam artists? I hope your not talking about Trish vscribe. She has been working so hard to get us help and has more of less dedicated her life to helping people like US.If you were talking about her I think that cheap shot was uncalled for. TommyFrom: vscribe@... <vscribe@...>Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battlebird mites Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 2:07 PM

Ah, I was thinking the bird mites had factored into the disability equation. Yes, making your own stuff is really the way to go. And now you'll have time on your hands with your much deserved new income. I have to stay heavily covered in balm most of the time, so it's just not practical to buy the prepared products. I'd go broke! Some of these scam artists want $60 for an eight ounce tub of balm! I can do the same thing at home for pennies on the dollar, and put into it exactly what I want. When you start getting into it please post your recipes. I'm sure you'll have some great ones.

> >> >

> >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

> >> >

> >> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this.

> >> >

> >> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends.

> >> >

> >> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes.

> >> >

> >> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting!

> >> >

> >>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well said Tommy!! I totally agree with you and am so thankful for Trisha and her hard work on our behalf.

From: tommy morrow <tommy02141@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:32:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battle

Wow scam artists? I hope your not talking about Trish vscribe. She has been working so hard to get us help and has more of less dedicated her life to helping people like US.If you were talking about her I think that cheap shot was uncalled for. Tommy

From: vscriberocketmail (DOT) com <vscriberocketmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Do Battlebird mitesDate: Monday, April 20, 2009, 2:07 PM

Ah, I was thinking the bird mites had factored into the disability equation. Yes, making your own stuff is really the way to go. And now you'll have time on your hands with your much deserved new income. I have to stay heavily covered in balm most of the time, so it's just not practical to buy the prepared products. I'd go broke! Some of these scam artists want $60 for an eight ounce tub of balm! I can do the same thing at home for pennies on the dollar, and put into it exactly what I want. When you start getting into it please post your recipes. I'm sure you'll have some great ones. > >> > > >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a

Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals, boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning. > >> > > >> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to be bothered by this. > >> > > >> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20 years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my second husband, or any friends. > >> > > >> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT a mental

case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here, because I can learn from others' mistakes. > >> > > >> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these things is so exciting! > >> > > >> > >>

[Guest guest]

This thread is getting an inordinate " pro-ESP, Trish " response. I sure hope

there aren't " Trish Trolls " on this board waiting to pounce on anyone who dare

suggest that Trish's products aren't the end-all... It would be a shame if that

were proven to be the case through IP research or other means. If Trish's

products are truly effective and really do bring much needed relief to the

sufferers on this board and are not just really expensive, nicely packaged, high

quality balms that really don't make the mites stop for more than a short time

(as I've experienced), then they'll stand on their own.

Free Speech is the order of the day, though, and, therefor, everyone on this

board MUST respect the experiences of the other members so that we can bring

forward to the board what works and what doesn't. That is the goal here, isn't

it?

For what it's worth, if you've got the inclination and the time, a high-school

education, and the wherewithal to research ingredients on the internet, you can

save big bucks by making many of these products yourself. Furthermore, you can

have more control over the essential oils and fragrance used since I assume that

some people have a higher tolerance for some things like cedar oil and lavender

oils or whatnot. Also, while we're on the topic of Trish's products, I noticed

something on the ingredient list that was misleading: " Sulfur from flowers " .

Don't know what that is, but I'm assuming it's actually " flowers of sulfur "

which is known as Sulfur USP Sublimed Powder Pharmaceutical Compounding Agent,

NDC: 0395-2799-94 for your pharmacist's reference. I know all this from reading

the bottle sitting in front if me. I don't sell it, I have no financial gain at

stake here at all. You couldn't buy something from me (or anyone I know) if you

tried. Get it? I don't understand why someone who's a neutral, dispassionate

party would run to the defense of someone who sells products to the audience

here if they didn't have monetary gain. Your motives are clear. BUGGER OFF,

TROLLS!

> > >> >

> > >> > Well, after 3 years of being sick as a dog, I have finally been

approved for Social Security and received a large back payment check. I have

already ordered a gallon of Best Yet, and a Fogmaster Jr., menthol crystals,

boric acid, and Face Doctor cream (I also have Demodex on the face). I am

debating whether or not to buy ESP soap and balm or try to make my own - (it

would be so cool if I could come up with my own line of creams and soaps). Will

also buy BioKleen detergent and Citrisolve for cleaning.

> > >> >

> > >> > I am moving to a place with hardwood floors, thank God, and will be

treating my dog with enzyme shampoos and Cedarcide, although he doesn't seem to

be bothered by this.

> > >> >

> > >> > Is there anything I have left out? I've had this thing for over 20

years. It doesn't seem to be contagious, at least not very. I got it from my

first husband, but I haven't infected anyone, to my knowledge, not my mother, my

second husband, or any friends.

> > >> >

> > >> > Over the years, (after I realized that the doctor was wrong - I am NOT

a mental case!) I've controlled them with Borax, epsom salts, menthol dandruff

shampoo, and enzyme spray, but they always come back. I haven't had the money to

try anything else, but in a way this is lucky - I would have hated to blow a lot

of money on things that don't work. I appreciate that this group is here,

because I can learn from others' mistakes.

> > >> >

> > >> > Just the thought that I might be getting close to being free of these

things is so exciting!

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >

> >

>