Re: Roach Prufe...FYI orthoboric acid safety

[Guest guest]

I use another brand of orthoboric acid (cockroach powder) and it is

labelled for institutional use in hospitals, restaurants, nursing homes,

among other places.

Tim

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Two of My Favorite Things

> > > > > for treating my

> > > > > ENVIRONMENT

> > > > >

> > > > > by Jill

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This is to those of you who are relatively recent victims,

> > and

> > > who are

> > > > > lucky enough to find this group now instead of later or

> > never....

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a brief qualification, where I've been, what has

> > worked

> > > over

> > > > > time, what's working -- and happening -- now. And what is

> the

> > one

> > > > > product set that, if I could get nothing else, I would

> still,

> > > after

> > > > many

> > > > > years, choose for my environment over all others.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW, my name is katiejill, but you can call me kj.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Past

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have had birdmites since 1985 (from carrying home my

> first

> > > gobbler

> > > > > over my shoulder), which just seemed like a bit worse flea

> > > problem.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have had morg / super lice / fiber mites / black specks

> > since

> > > > > 1995-1996, need to get exact dates, when a temporary

> coworker

> > > worked

> > > > in

> > > > > my area on my computer for a month, then left me with her

> > little

> > > > > " gifts " --and my life went to complete heck.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Present

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In late 2007 I found this group and finally have hope that

> I

> > can

> > > beat

> > > > > them. Recovery is slower for me because everything has had

> so

> > > long to

> > > > > get established in my body.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > But it is happening.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Between Then And Now

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Floor Bites

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > When this really got bad in 1996, I was being inoculated

> > (stung,

> > > some

> > > > > call it) off my carpet 75 times an hour. I counted. I

> couldn't

> > > > > concentrate on my work. I finally gave up and put my head

> on

> > my

> > > desk

> > > > and

> > > > > cried, while the biting continued.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · I agree with Rita. Some things cannot be lived with.

I

> > > > > could not live with that, and to all of you who feel like

> > life is

> > > not

> > > > > worth living like that, well, probably everyone here has

> been

> > > there.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · I got help for the depression and suicidal feelings.

> And if

> > > > > you have them, you need to get help for that also. BE

> > CAREFUL.

> > > Think

> > > > > twice before disclosing the true source of the depression.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · I also got lucky and stumbled onto an allergy site

> > > > > (nationalallergy. com) that had products for dustmites. In

> > hopes

> > > that

> > > > > the product would also work for my mites, I ordered it,

> mixed

> > it

> > > with

> > > > > water and some Nylar, an insect growth regulator (IGR)

> which,

> > > most of

> > > > > you know, is commonly used as part of the current pest

> control

> > > > protocol

> > > > > used nationwide, a protocol known as integrated pest

> > > management.. . IPM

> > > > > consists of the regular, preventive spraying of a knock-down

> > > > (pesticide)

> > > > > and an IGR.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · I knew neither the dustmite product, whose name is

> actually

> > > > > Dustmite and Flea Control, by The Ecology Works, nor the

> IGR

> > would

> > > > work

> > > > > instantly. The IGR disrupts the life cycle of insects at

> the

> > egg

> > > > stage,

> > > > > and the Dustmite interrupts the life cycle of everything

> > whose

> > > larvae

> > > > > crawl in the carpet at that stage. The IGR prevents the

> > formation

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > " egg tooth, " so the insect cannot get out of the egg. The

> > > Dustmite is

> > > > a

> > > > > completely water-soluble borate, meaning it is applied

> > completely

> > > > > dissolved in water. This allows it to travel down and be

> > absorbed

> > > > > completely in any soft surface, not only carpet fibers, but

> > also

> > > > > curtains, dog beds, sofas. Of course there are other issues

> > with

> > > > > furniture, this only deals with the absorbent portions.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I lived with the bites, which worsened, for two more weeks,

> > which

> > > is

> > > > > pretty quick, because the Dustmite is not supposed to kick

> in

> > for

> > > > about

> > > > > 8 weeks, or maybe the IGR worked first, I don't know. all I

> > know

> > > is

> > > > that

> > > > > two weeks after my first application, the bites from the

> floor

> > > > STOPPED.

> > > > > At that time I was vacuuming daily. I was able to cut back

> to

> > > twice

> > > > > weekly.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Over the years I sprayed my Dustmite+Nylar combo twice a

> > year, and

> > > > have

> > > > > never had the problem many have had with my critters

> > completely

> > > taking

> > > > > over my environment, which I attribute 100 percent to these

> > two

> > > > > products. The main critters that trouble me are either

> inside

> > my

> > > > > clothing, shed by me onto my clothing, shed by me onto the

> > floor,

> > > > which

> > > > > they leave to get back onto me via my shoes.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Laundry

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · Dry Cleaning (Work Clothes) - I get everything nice

for

> > > > > work dry cleaned, we have a very reasonable neighborhood

> > cleaner.

> > > > > Otherwise we could not do this.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · Presoak - I learned that body lice can survive

> underwater

> > > > > for 24 hours, and what I have might be related to them,

> > because I

> > > have

> > > > > not been able to shortcut this yet, though I am planning to

> > start

> > > > > experimenting with some of the methods others here use.

> > Should

> > > have

> > > > > sooner. Meanwhile, I soak my clothes for at least 24 hours

> > and 1

> > > > minute!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · Wash - Lots and lots of borax for clothes with

colors,

> and

> > > > > Oxy Clean for whites..

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · Drying - I also learned that heat destroys mites, so

I

> > > > > started gradually increasing my drying time. I have found

> > that if

> > > I

> > > > dry

> > > > > everything for 4 hours, my clothes are good to go--most of

> > them..

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Clothing Soak

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Once it is already laundered, I soak my underwear and spray

> > my

> > > outer

> > > > > clothing with a dilute containing water and the following

> two

> > main

> > > > > active ingredients:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · 1) a benzalchonium chloride solution. This is the

> active

> > > > > ingredient in the toenail antifungals available at the

> > drugstore

> > > at

> > > > the

> > > > > cost of $15 for 4 oz. I get the same thing (very slightly

> > weaker)

> > > at

> > > > > Jeffers' Pet online Equine Supply catalog. It is by

> Agrilabs,

> > and

> > > is

> > > > > called Foot and Hoof Rot Spray. It costs $6 for a quart.

> So.

> > 40

> > > > percent

> > > > > of the cost, and 8 times as much product. I think I will

> > stick

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > Agrilabs version.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · 2) an herbal insect repellent. Any of these will do.

I

> like

> > > > > Legacy Herbs Insect Repellent, but now have started making

> my

> > own.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Socks and Hosiery

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > These I can never get everything out of. The rest of the

> wash

> > > load can

> > > > > be fine, but I have seldom been successful in salvaging

> > socks,

> > > and I

> > > > > have never been successful in salvaging hosiery. I'm open to

> > > > suggestions

> > > > > on this, y'all! I'm tired of buying pantyhose!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Shoes

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have seen and tried many methods to cut down on biting in

> > my

> > > shoes.

> > > > > The first was to replace all low or open sided shoes with

> mid

> > > boots.

> > > > > These are tall enough to help keep shed critters from

> > climbing

> > > back on

> > > > > board, but short enough not to be too hot or uncomfortable.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · Replacement: Didn't work. Just cost me money. I still

> have

> > > > > the problem, ergo so do the shoes. The person who told me

> > about it

> > > > read

> > > > > this post and suggested that I try again with a meat

> > thermometer.

> > > So

> > > > I'm

> > > > > going to. I'll get back to you with the results later.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · Heating: Vidal Sasson hair dryer on low 8 hrs in a

> plastic

> > > > > tub w one pair of shoes. This didn't kill everything,

> > > surprisingly,

> > > > plus

> > > > > I am nervous about leaving a hair dryer on in a plastic box

> > for

> > > that

> > > > > long.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · Raid. I did this for a while. Stinky, and only partly

> > > > > successful.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · Menthol Powder: Gold Bond powder in the green

> container.

> > > > > Someone in another group posted that this works for them,

> and

> > it

> > > is

> > > > now

> > > > > what I use as well. It is messy, but successful. It's very

> > hard

> > > to get

> > > > > and keep the powder off the outside of my boots.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > And the Answer is...Dustmite + Nylar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > If you buy nothing else after reading this post, I

> recommend

> > the

> > > > > Dustmite and Nylar. Dustmite

> > > > >

> > > > <http://www.natlalle rgy.com/prod/ 1153/dustmitex- dustmite-

> > and-

> > > flea- contro\

> > > > \

> > > > > l-by-ecology- works.html> is about $30 for a large bag,

> which

> > will

> > > > > treat a large house. You don't have to spray much of it

> > because

> > > the

> > > > > larvae crawl all over and it will affect them anyway. Do

> spray

> > > > stronger

> > > > > concentrations in the worst spots, though. And it, more than

> > > > everything

> > > > > else, will make your situation feel more manageable. The

> > powdered

> > > > > borates will help, do put them on top of the carpet, but

> the

> > > Dustmite

> > > > is

> > > > > safer because it never gets into the air.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dustmite

> > > > >

> > > > > • Where I get the 2 lb bag of Dustmite

> > > > >

> > > > <http://www.natlalle rgy.com/prod/ 1153/dustmitex- dustmite-

> > and-

> > > flea- contro\

> > > > \

> > > > > l-by-ecology- works.html>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > • Click here

> > > > > <http://www.natlalle rgy.com/article. asp?ai=185 &

> sid= & eid=>

> > to

> > > compare

> > > > > Dustmite to similar treatments (you have to scroll down to

> > see the

> > > > > chart).

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > • Click here

> > > > > <http://www.dustmite x.com/MSDS_ DustMiteFleaCont rol.pdf>

> to

> > see

> > > the

> > > > MSDS

> > > > > for Dustmite.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Nylar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > • To find places to buy Nylar online, click here

> > > > > <http://www.google. com/search? hl=en & q=buy+ Nylar+online+

> > IGR> .

> > > (Try

> > > > local

> > > > > DIY PC stores first.)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > • Click here

> > > > > <http://www.ecosafep est.com/docs/ msds/msds_ Nylar.pdf>

> for

> > the

> > > MSDS for

> > > > > Nylar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Search the Group's Archives

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > You are in the right place. There is much more good advice

> > here.

> > > Learn

> > > > > to use the search on the home and messages pages.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · On the Home page, the group search is not the one at

> the

> > > > > top right. It is down a bit just above where the most

> recent

> > > messages

> > > > > are featured.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > · On the Messages page, you can search by post number

or

> > > > > keywords, and again it is above the messages.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > With love, and wishes for your rapid recovery,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jill

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes im sure its used in those facilities but with the proper guidelines

(mask, gloves ect) i doubt on the lable it says to pour this stuff on

your skin. Its common sense if its on you, youre inhaling it unless

youre wearing a mask throughout the day and thats not including it being

absorbed by the skin. Im sorry tim if you want to ban me for having an

opinion which was not relayed in the best form. Which i apologize to

rita and the group. Then so be it.

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 5:41 pm, bird mites wrote:

> I use another brand of orthoboric acid (cockroach powder) and it is

> labelled for institutional use in hospitals, restaurants, nursing

> homes,

> among other places.

>

> Tim

>

>

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Two of My Favorite Things

>> > > > > for treating my

>> > > > > ENVIRONMENT

>> > > > >

>> > > > > by Jill

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > This is to those of you who are relatively recent victims,

>> > and

>> > > who are

>> > > > > lucky enough to find this group now instead of later or

>> > never....

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > This is a brief qualification, where I've been, what has

>> > worked

>> > > over

>> > > > > time, what's working -- and happening -- now. And what is

>> the

>> > one

>> > > > > product set that, if I could get nothing else, I would

>> still,

>> > > after

>> > > > many

>> > > > > years, choose for my environment over all others.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > BTW, my name is katiejill, but you can call me kj.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Past

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I have had birdmites since 1985 (from carrying home my

>> first

>> > > gobbler

>> > > > > over my shoulder), which just seemed like a bit worse flea

>> > > problem.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I have had morg / super lice / fiber mites / black specks

>> > since

>> > > > > 1995-1996, need to get exact dates, when a temporary

>> coworker

>> > > worked

>> > > > in

>> > > > > my area on my computer for a month, then left me with her

>> > little

>> > > > > " gifts " --and my life went to complete heck.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Present

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > In late 2007 I found this group and finally have hope that

>> I

>> > can

>> > > beat

>> > > > > them. Recovery is slower for me because everything has had

>> so

>> > > long to

>> > > > > get established in my body.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > But it is happening.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Between Then And Now

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Floor Bites

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > When this really got bad in 1996, I was being inoculated

>> > (stung,

>> > > some

>> > > > > call it) off my carpet 75 times an hour. I counted. I

>> couldn't

>> > > > > concentrate on my work. I finally gave up and put my head

>> on

>> > my

>> > > desk

>> > > > and

>> > > > > cried, while the biting continued.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · I agree with Rita. Some things cannot be lived with.

> I

>> > > > > could not live with that, and to all of you who feel like

>> > life is

>> > > not

>> > > > > worth living like that, well, probably everyone here has

>> been

>> > > there.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · I got help for the depression and suicidal feelings.

>> And if

>> > > > > you have them, you need to get help for that also. BE

>> > CAREFUL.

>> > > Think

>> > > > > twice before disclosing the true source of the depression.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · I also got lucky and stumbled onto an allergy site

>> > > > > (nationalallergy. com) that had products for dustmites. In

>> > hopes

>> > > that

>> > > > > the product would also work for my mites, I ordered it,

>> mixed

>> > it

>> > > with

>> > > > > water and some Nylar, an insect growth regulator (IGR)

>> which,

>> > > most of

>> > > > > you know, is commonly used as part of the current pest

>> control

>> > > > protocol

>> > > > > used nationwide, a protocol known as integrated pest

>> > > management.. . IPM

>> > > > > consists of the regular, preventive spraying of a knock-down

>> > > > (pesticide)

>> > > > > and an IGR.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · I knew neither the dustmite product, whose name is

>> actually

>> > > > > Dustmite and Flea Control, by The Ecology Works, nor the

>> IGR

>> > would

>> > > > work

>> > > > > instantly. The IGR disrupts the life cycle of insects at

>> the

>> > egg

>> > > > stage,

>> > > > > and the Dustmite interrupts the life cycle of everything

>> > whose

>> > > larvae

>> > > > > crawl in the carpet at that stage. The IGR prevents the

>> > formation

>> > > of

>> > > > the

>> > > > > " egg tooth, " so the insect cannot get out of the egg. The

>> > > Dustmite is

>> > > > a

>> > > > > completely water-soluble borate, meaning it is applied

>> > completely

>> > > > > dissolved in water. This allows it to travel down and be

>> > absorbed

>> > > > > completely in any soft surface, not only carpet fibers, but

>> > also

>> > > > > curtains, dog beds, sofas. Of course there are other issues

>> > with

>> > > > > furniture, this only deals with the absorbent portions.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I lived with the bites, which worsened, for two more weeks,

>> > which

>> > > is

>> > > > > pretty quick, because the Dustmite is not supposed to kick

>> in

>> > for

>> > > > about

>> > > > > 8 weeks, or maybe the IGR worked first, I don't know. all I

>> > know

>> > > is

>> > > > that

>> > > > > two weeks after my first application, the bites from the

>> floor

>> > > > STOPPED.

>> > > > > At that time I was vacuuming daily. I was able to cut back

>> to

>> > > twice

>> > > > > weekly.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Over the years I sprayed my Dustmite+Nylar combo twice a

>> > year, and

>> > > > have

>> > > > > never had the problem many have had with my critters

>> > completely

>> > > taking

>> > > > > over my environment, which I attribute 100 percent to these

>> > two

>> > > > > products. The main critters that trouble me are either

>> inside

>> > my

>> > > > > clothing, shed by me onto my clothing, shed by me onto the

>> > floor,

>> > > > which

>> > > > > they leave to get back onto me via my shoes.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Laundry

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · Dry Cleaning (Work Clothes) - I get everything nice

> for

>> > > > > work dry cleaned, we have a very reasonable neighborhood

>> > cleaner.

>> > > > > Otherwise we could not do this.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · Presoak - I learned that body lice can survive

>> underwater

>> > > > > for 24 hours, and what I have might be related to them,

>> > because I

>> > > have

>> > > > > not been able to shortcut this yet, though I am planning to

>> > start

>> > > > > experimenting with some of the methods others here use.

>> > Should

>> > > have

>> > > > > sooner. Meanwhile, I soak my clothes for at least 24 hours

>> > and 1

>> > > > minute!

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · Wash - Lots and lots of borax for clothes with

> colors,

>> and

>> > > > > Oxy Clean for whites..

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · Drying - I also learned that heat destroys mites, so

> I

>> > > > > started gradually increasing my drying time. I have found

>> > that if

>> > > I

>> > > > dry

>> > > > > everything for 4 hours, my clothes are good to go--most of

>> > them..

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Clothing Soak

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Once it is already laundered, I soak my underwear and spray

>> > my

>> > > outer

>> > > > > clothing with a dilute containing water and the following

>> two

>> > main

>> > > > > active ingredients:

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · 1) a benzalchonium chloride solution. This is the

>> active

>> > > > > ingredient in the toenail antifungals available at the

>> > drugstore

>> > > at

>> > > > the

>> > > > > cost of $15 for 4 oz. I get the same thing (very slightly

>> > weaker)

>> > > at

>> > > > > Jeffers' Pet online Equine Supply catalog. It is by

>> Agrilabs,

>> > and

>> > > is

>> > > > > called Foot and Hoof Rot Spray. It costs $6 for a quart.

>> So.

>> > 40

>> > > > percent

>> > > > > of the cost, and 8 times as much product. I think I will

>> > stick

>> > > with

>> > > > the

>> > > > > Agrilabs version.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · 2) an herbal insect repellent. Any of these will do.

> I

>> like

>> > > > > Legacy Herbs Insect Repellent, but now have started making

>> my

>> > own.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Socks and Hosiery

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > These I can never get everything out of. The rest of the

>> wash

>> > > load can

>> > > > > be fine, but I have seldom been successful in salvaging

>> > socks,

>> > > and I

>> > > > > have never been successful in salvaging hosiery. I'm open to

>> > > > suggestions

>> > > > > on this, y'all! I'm tired of buying pantyhose!

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Shoes

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > I have seen and tried many methods to cut down on biting in

>> > my

>> > > shoes.

>> > > > > The first was to replace all low or open sided shoes with

>> mid

>> > > boots.

>> > > > > These are tall enough to help keep shed critters from

>> > climbing

>> > > back on

>> > > > > board, but short enough not to be too hot or uncomfortable.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · Replacement: Didn't work. Just cost me money. I

>> still

>> have

>> > > > > the problem, ergo so do the shoes. The person who told me

>> > about it

>> > > > read

>> > > > > this post and suggested that I try again with a meat

>> > thermometer.

>> > > So

>> > > > I'm

>> > > > > going to. I'll get back to you with the results later.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · Heating: Vidal Sasson hair dryer on low 8 hrs in a

>> plastic

>> > > > > tub w one pair of shoes. This didn't kill everything,

>> > > surprisingly,

>> > > > plus

>> > > > > I am nervous about leaving a hair dryer on in a plastic box

>> > for

>> > > that

>> > > > > long.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · Raid. I did this for a while. Stinky, and only

>> partly

>> > > > > successful.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · Menthol Powder: Gold Bond powder in the green

>> container.

>> > > > > Someone in another group posted that this works for them,

>> and

>> > it

>> > > is

>> > > > now

>> > > > > what I use as well. It is messy, but successful. It's very

>> > hard

>> > > to get

>> > > > > and keep the powder off the outside of my boots.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > And the Answer is...Dustmite + Nylar

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > If you buy nothing else after reading this post, I

>> recommend

>> > the

>> > > > > Dustmite and Nylar. Dustmite

>> > > > >

>> > > > <http://www.natlalle rgy.com/prod/ 1153/dustmitex- dustmite-

>> > and-

>> > > flea- contro\

>> > > > \

>> > > > > l-by-ecology- works.html> is about $30 for a large bag,

>> which

>> > will

>> > > > > treat a large house. You don't have to spray much of it

>> > because

>> > > the

>> > > > > larvae crawl all over and it will affect them anyway. Do

>> spray

>> > > > stronger

>> > > > > concentrations in the worst spots, though. And it, more than

>> > > > everything

>> > > > > else, will make your situation feel more manageable. The

>> > powdered

>> > > > > borates will help, do put them on top of the carpet, but

>> the

>> > > Dustmite

>> > > > is

>> > > > > safer because it never gets into the air.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Dustmite

>> > > > >

>> > > > > • Where I get the 2 lb bag of Dustmite

>> > > > >

>> > > > <http://www.natlalle rgy.com/prod/ 1153/dustmitex- dustmite-

>> > and-

>> > > flea- contro\

>> > > > \

>> > > > > l-by-ecology- works.html>

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > • Click here

>> > > > > <http://www.natlalle rgy.com/article. asp?ai=185 &

>> sid= & eid=>

>> > to

>> > > compare

>> > > > > Dustmite to similar treatments (you have to scroll down to

>> > see the

>> > > > > chart).

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > • Click here

>> > > > > <http://www.dustmite x.com/MSDS_ DustMiteFleaCont rol.pdf>

>> to

>> > see

>> > > the

>> > > > MSDS

>> > > > > for Dustmite.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Nylar

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > • To find places to buy Nylar online, click here

>> > > > > <http://www.google. com/search? hl=en & q=buy+ Nylar+online+

>> > IGR> .

>> > > (Try

>> > > > local

>> > > > > DIY PC stores first.)

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > • Click here

>> > > > > <http://www.ecosafep est.com/docs/ msds/msds_ Nylar.pdf>

>> for

>> > the

>> > > MSDS for

>> > > > > Nylar.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Search the Group's Archives

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > You are in the right place. There is much more good advice

>> > here.

>> > > Learn

>> > > > > to use the search on the home and messages pages.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · On the Home page, the group search is not the one at

>> the

>> > > > > top right. It is down a bit just above where the most

>> recent

>> > > messages

>> > > > > are featured.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > · On the Messages page, you can search by post number

> or

>> > > > > keywords, and again it is above the messages.

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > With love, and wishes for your rapid recovery,

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Jill

>> > > > >

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When Harvey ( " The Rest of the Story " ) used to tout Roach Prufe

on the radio, he said that it would wipe out roaches in whole cities

if everyone used it.

Anyone else old enough to remember that? That's ok, no need to admit

it! lol

katie

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Two of My Favorite Things

> >> > > > > for treating my

> >> > > > > ENVIRONMENT

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > by Jill

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > This is to those of you who are relatively recent

victims,

> >> > and

> >> > > who are

> >> > > > > lucky enough to find this group now instead of later or

> >> > never....

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > This is a brief qualification, where I've been, what has

> >> > worked

> >> > > over

> >> > > > > time, what's working -- and happening -- now. And what

is

> >> the

> >> > one

> >> > > > > product set that, if I could get nothing else, I would

> >> still,

> >> > > after

> >> > > > many

> >> > > > > years, choose for my environment over all others.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > BTW, my name is katiejill, but you can call me kj.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Past

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > I have had birdmites since 1985 (from carrying home my

> >> first

> >> > > gobbler

> >> > > > > over my shoulder), which just seemed like a bit worse

flea

> >> > > problem.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > I have had morg / super lice / fiber mites / black

specks

> >> > since

> >> > > > > 1995-1996, need to get exact dates, when a temporary

> >> coworker

> >> > > worked

> >> > > > in

> >> > > > > my area on my computer for a month, then left me with

her

> >> > little

> >> > > > > " gifts " --and my life went to complete heck.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Present

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > In late 2007 I found this group and finally have hope

that

> >> I

> >> > can

> >> > > beat

> >> > > > > them. Recovery is slower for me because everything has

had

> >> so

> >> > > long to

> >> > > > > get established in my body.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > But it is happening.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Between Then And Now

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Floor Bites

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > When this really got bad in 1996, I was being inoculated

> >> > (stung,

> >> > > some

> >> > > > > call it) off my carpet 75 times an hour. I counted. I

> >> couldn't

> >> > > > > concentrate on my work. I finally gave up and put my

head

> >> on

> >> > my

> >> > > desk

> >> > > > and

> >> > > > > cried, while the biting continued.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · I agree with Rita. Some things cannot be

lived with.

> > I

> >> > > > > could not live with that, and to all of you who feel

like

> >> > life is

> >> > > not

> >> > > > > worth living like that, well, probably everyone here has

> >> been

> >> > > there.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · I got help for the depression and suicidal

feelings.

> >> And if

> >> > > > > you have them, you need to get help for that also. BE

> >> > CAREFUL.

> >> > > Think

> >> > > > > twice before disclosing the true source of the

depression.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · I also got lucky and stumbled onto an allergy

site

> >> > > > > (nationalallergy. com) that had products for dustmites.

In

> >> > hopes

> >> > > that

> >> > > > > the product would also work for my mites, I ordered it,

> >> mixed

> >> > it

> >> > > with

> >> > > > > water and some Nylar, an insect growth regulator (IGR)

> >> which,

> >> > > most of

> >> > > > > you know, is commonly used as part of the current pest

> >> control

> >> > > > protocol

> >> > > > > used nationwide, a protocol known as integrated pest

> >> > > management.. . IPM

> >> > > > > consists of the regular, preventive spraying of a knock-

down

> >> > > > (pesticide)

> >> > > > > and an IGR.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · I knew neither the dustmite product, whose

name is

> >> actually

> >> > > > > Dustmite and Flea Control, by The Ecology Works, nor the

> >> IGR

> >> > would

> >> > > > work

> >> > > > > instantly. The IGR disrupts the life cycle of insects at

> >> the

> >> > egg

> >> > > > stage,

> >> > > > > and the Dustmite interrupts the life cycle of everything

> >> > whose

> >> > > larvae

> >> > > > > crawl in the carpet at that stage. The IGR prevents the

> >> > formation

> >> > > of

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > " egg tooth, " so the insect cannot get out of the egg.

The

> >> > > Dustmite is

> >> > > > a

> >> > > > > completely water-soluble borate, meaning it is applied

> >> > completely

> >> > > > > dissolved in water. This allows it to travel down and be

> >> > absorbed

> >> > > > > completely in any soft surface, not only carpet fibers,

but

> >> > also

> >> > > > > curtains, dog beds, sofas. Of course there are other

issues

> >> > with

> >> > > > > furniture, this only deals with the absorbent portions.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > I lived with the bites, which worsened, for two more

weeks,

> >> > which

> >> > > is

> >> > > > > pretty quick, because the Dustmite is not supposed to

kick

> >> in

> >> > for

> >> > > > about

> >> > > > > 8 weeks, or maybe the IGR worked first, I don't know.

all I

> >> > know

> >> > > is

> >> > > > that

> >> > > > > two weeks after my first application, the bites from the

> >> floor

> >> > > > STOPPED.

> >> > > > > At that time I was vacuuming daily. I was able to cut

back

> >> to

> >> > > twice

> >> > > > > weekly.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Over the years I sprayed my Dustmite+Nylar combo twice a

> >> > year, and

> >> > > > have

> >> > > > > never had the problem many have had with my critters

> >> > completely

> >> > > taking

> >> > > > > over my environment, which I attribute 100 percent to

these

> >> > two

> >> > > > > products. The main critters that trouble me are either

> >> inside

> >> > my

> >> > > > > clothing, shed by me onto my clothing, shed by me onto

the

> >> > floor,

> >> > > > which

> >> > > > > they leave to get back onto me via my shoes.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Laundry

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · Dry Cleaning (Work Clothes) - I get

everything nice

> > for

> >> > > > > work dry cleaned, we have a very reasonable neighborhood

> >> > cleaner.

> >> > > > > Otherwise we could not do this.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · Presoak - I learned that body lice can survive

> >> underwater

> >> > > > > for 24 hours, and what I have might be related to them,

> >> > because I

> >> > > have

> >> > > > > not been able to shortcut this yet, though I am

planning to

> >> > start

> >> > > > > experimenting with some of the methods others here use.

> >> > Should

> >> > > have

> >> > > > > sooner. Meanwhile, I soak my clothes for at least 24

hours

> >> > and 1

> >> > > > minute!

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · Wash - Lots and lots of borax for clothes with

> > colors,

> >> and

> >> > > > > Oxy Clean for whites..

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · Drying - I also learned that heat destroys

mites, so

> > I

> >> > > > > started gradually increasing my drying time. I have

found

> >> > that if

> >> > > I

> >> > > > dry

> >> > > > > everything for 4 hours, my clothes are good to go--most

of

> >> > them..

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Clothing Soak

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Once it is already laundered, I soak my underwear and

spray

> >> > my

> >> > > outer

> >> > > > > clothing with a dilute containing water and the

following

> >> two

> >> > main

> >> > > > > active ingredients:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · 1) a benzalchonium chloride solution. This is

the

> >> active

> >> > > > > ingredient in the toenail antifungals available at the

> >> > drugstore

> >> > > at

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > cost of $15 for 4 oz. I get the same thing (very

slightly

> >> > weaker)

> >> > > at

> >> > > > > Jeffers' Pet online Equine Supply catalog. It is by

> >> Agrilabs,

> >> > and

> >> > > is

> >> > > > > called Foot and Hoof Rot Spray. It costs $6 for a quart.

> >> So.

> >> > 40

> >> > > > percent

> >> > > > > of the cost, and 8 times as much product. I think I will

> >> > stick

> >> > > with

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > Agrilabs version.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · 2) an herbal insect repellent. Any of these

will do.

> > I

> >> like

> >> > > > > Legacy Herbs Insect Repellent, but now have started

making

> >> my

> >> > own.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Socks and Hosiery

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > These I can never get everything out of. The rest of the

> >> wash

> >> > > load can

> >> > > > > be fine, but I have seldom been successful in salvaging

> >> > socks,

> >> > > and I

> >> > > > > have never been successful in salvaging hosiery. I'm

open to

> >> > > > suggestions

> >> > > > > on this, y'all! I'm tired of buying pantyhose!

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Shoes

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > I have seen and tried many methods to cut down on

biting in

> >> > my

> >> > > shoes.

> >> > > > > The first was to replace all low or open sided shoes

with

> >> mid

> >> > > boots.

> >> > > > > These are tall enough to help keep shed critters from

> >> > climbing

> >> > > back on

> >> > > > > board, but short enough not to be too hot or

uncomfortable.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · Replacement: Didn't work. Just cost me money.

I

> >> still

> >> have

> >> > > > > the problem, ergo so do the shoes. The person who told

me

> >> > about it

> >> > > > read

> >> > > > > this post and suggested that I try again with a meat

> >> > thermometer.

> >> > > So

> >> > > > I'm

> >> > > > > going to. I'll get back to you with the results later.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · Heating: Vidal Sasson hair dryer on low 8 hrs

in a

> >> plastic

> >> > > > > tub w one pair of shoes. This didn't kill everything,

> >> > > surprisingly,

> >> > > > plus

> >> > > > > I am nervous about leaving a hair dryer on in a plastic

box

> >> > for

> >> > > that

> >> > > > > long.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · Raid. I did this for a while. Stinky, and

only

> >> partly

> >> > > > > successful.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · Menthol Powder: Gold Bond powder in the green

> >> container.

> >> > > > > Someone in another group posted that this works for

them,

> >> and

> >> > it

> >> > > is

> >> > > > now

> >> > > > > what I use as well. It is messy, but successful. It's

very

> >> > hard

> >> > > to get

> >> > > > > and keep the powder off the outside of my boots.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > And the Answer is...Dustmite + Nylar

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > If you buy nothing else after reading this post, I

> >> recommend

> >> > the

> >> > > > > Dustmite and Nylar. Dustmite

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > <http://www.natlalle rgy.com/prod/ 1153/dustmitex-

dustmite-

> >> > and-

> >> > > flea- contro\

> >> > > > \

> >> > > > > l-by-ecology- works.html> is about $30 for a large bag,

> >> which

> >> > will

> >> > > > > treat a large house. You don't have to spray much of it

> >> > because

> >> > > the

> >> > > > > larvae crawl all over and it will affect them anyway. Do

> >> spray

> >> > > > stronger

> >> > > > > concentrations in the worst spots, though. And it, more

than

> >> > > > everything

> >> > > > > else, will make your situation feel more manageable. The

> >> > powdered

> >> > > > > borates will help, do put them on top of the carpet, but

> >> the

> >> > > Dustmite

> >> > > > is

> >> > > > > safer because it never gets into the air.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Dustmite

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > • Where I get the 2 lb bag of Dustmite

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > <http://www.natlalle rgy.com/prod/ 1153/dustmitex-

dustmite-

> >> > and-

> >> > > flea- contro\

> >> > > > \

> >> > > > > l-by-ecology- works.html>

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > • Click here

> >> > > > > <http://www.natlalle rgy.com/article. asp?ai=185 &

> >> sid= & eid=>

> >> > to

> >> > > compare

> >> > > > > Dustmite to similar treatments (you have to scroll down

to

> >> > see the

> >> > > > > chart).

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > • Click here

> >> > > > > <http://www.dustmite x.com/MSDS_ DustMiteFleaCont

rol.pdf>

> >> to

> >> > see

> >> > > the

> >> > > > MSDS

> >> > > > > for Dustmite.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Nylar

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > • To find places to buy Nylar online,

click here

> >> > > > > <http://www.google. com/search? hl=en & q=buy+

Nylar+online+

> >> > IGR> .

> >> > > (Try

> >> > > > local

> >> > > > > DIY PC stores first.)

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > • Click here

> >> > > > > <http://www.ecosafep est.com/docs/ msds/msds_ Nylar.pdf>

> >> for

> >> > the

> >> > > MSDS for

> >> > > > > Nylar.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Search the Group's Archives

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > You are in the right place. There is much more good

advice

> >> > here.

> >> > > Learn

> >> > > > > to use the search on the home and messages pages.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · On the Home page, the group search is not the

one at

> >> the

> >> > > > > top right. It is down a bit just above where the most

> >> recent

> >> > > messages

> >> > > > > are featured.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > · On the Messages page, you can search by post

number

> > or

> >> > > > > keywords, and again it is above the messages.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > With love, and wishes for your rapid recovery,

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Jill

> >> > > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > >

> >> >

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