Re: Creating heat in the car using halogen lamps (follow up 11/1/2008)

[Guest guest]

So today, I sacrificed watching college football, including the Ga

Tech vs FSU game that I so wanted to watch and I finally heat

treated my car using halogen lights and . I was so sick of

constantly spraying insecticides and Windex and I also believe heat

treating to be the only sure total-kill approach so I really wanted

to do it. It's just that I was overwhelmed about using propane

burner heaters and running a duct to the car so I opted for using

halogen lights. I had experimented with incandescent lights before

but they don't get nearly as hot as halogen. I wasn't sure how it

would turn out but, final result: 139.5F inside the car!

As described in the previous email, I had one 300W halogen security

light from Home Depot bought earlier in the week. I went there

again today to pick up some more and found what seemed to be a

blessing. Stacked up high in front of the Lighting section were

250w halogen work lights for only $5 each! I can't find it on the

HD website but they look just like this:

http://www.goodmart.com/products/1123217.htm

(although the HD one's cord is only about 6 " long)

So I picked up 5 of them, along with this medium-duty 25' extension

cord (I also had another 50ft cord):

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?

storeId=10051 & langId=-1 & catalogId=10053 & productId=100650642

and a pair of 3-prong expansion outlets to plug into the end of the

extension cord so you can plug 3 lights into one cord.

I set up 3 of the 250w lights in the front seat, 2 250W lights and

the 300W light in the rear (I have a hatchback so I put the rear

seats down and the lights were sitting on top of a cookie sheet pan

on top of the lowered seats).

Total wattage was 1550W, which is within limits in terms of load

(old homes, be careful!). I kept watch the whole time fearing a

spike or fire and had the fire extinguisher next to me. I also

placed an oven meat thermometer (the type you stick into turkeys) on

top of the front seat by the head rest and a digital thermometer in

the rear.

I kept the car on at idle the whole time with the heater on the

hottest, highest setting to get the initial temperature up. My car

was parked on the driveway and the outside temperature was 72F when

I started. B/c the lights dry out the interior completely, I also

put a pot of water on the floor of the passenger seat - the thought

is that air that's too dry won't spread heat as well as slightly

humid air. Well I don't think that increased humidity at all b/c

the humidstat on the thermometer read 2% the whole time.

Regardless...

A Japanese website I found says to kill mites, sustain 50C (122F)

for 20min, 47C (117F) for 40min, 45C (113F) for 60min. I'm not sure

of what I have exactly so I wanted to get the car as hot as possible

above and beyond those temperatures. Slowly but surely, the

temperature went from 90 to 100... then to 110, 120, and spent an

hour climbing up through 130s and peaked at 139.5F at the end of 2.5

hrs. I had kept the heater on and that helped distribute the hot

air in the car. By then it was evening and the outside temperature

was in the high 50s. There's great heat loss from anywhere that's

glass on the car so I think the best bet is to start early when the

outside temperature is hotter. If you do this inside of a closed

garage, the heat loss would be a lot less (plus you can run a space

heater in the garage to keep the air temp high) but then you

wouldn't be able to keep your car running and to me, it wasn't worth

the risk of burning my mom's townhouse down if an accident occured.

I'm not sure if the mites are totally dead since before driving

home, I sprayed plenty of repellent on me and as always, put

painters drape over the seats but driving home felt a lot better.

Before, I'd get eaten alive. If thinking purely logically and

scientific, I had sustained high temp for at least 2 hours so the

bugs SHOULD all be dead. If not, I'll just do this again. That's

the good thing about this - now that I have it set up in the car,

all I have to do is to just plug the lights in to run another

session.

BTW, I have a 97 Acura Integra and it's a little car so YMMV

especially if you have a big SUV or something.

BTW, my team, Tech, won!!!! This has been a good day. I feel

that finally I have a weapon for the car that should work. Now the

big challenge that still remains is to rid the bugs from my condo

and my body.

Let's keep fighting! You guys are all in my prayers!!!

kihun

>

> After trying to create heat with incandescent light bulbs, I

failed

> miserably. It just does not get hot enough.

>

> Then I remembered about those 6ft halogen torchiere lamps I had in

my

> college dorm back in the days. Well you can no longer find them

> anywhere but then I found a better alternative. I picked up a

300W

> version of this halogen lamp at Home Depot the other day for $20.

>

> http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?

> storeId=10051 & langId=-

> 1 & catalogId=10053 & productId=100652891 & N=10000003+90401

>

> You have to attach a 3 prong wall connector to it which you can

also

> pick up for about $3 at Home Depot. It's really bright and really

hot.

>

> What I like about this is that the design is very simple and the

> halogen bulb is inside of a sturdy metal case.

>

> I put it in a big metal pot, then as a test, put it in my walk in

> closet, which is around 5x4ft. Had the fire extinguisher nearby

just

> incase.

>

> Well it raised the temp from 80F to 92F. Not enough. Need to get

it

> to at least 130-140F. So I'm thinking about buying maybe 2 more

of

> these. Lighting 3 should be 1200W which is " safe " in terms of

load.

>

> Here's a question tho. I remember being in a dry, hot-rock sauna

in

> Japan few weeks ago. It uses long infrared waves to penetrate

heat

> through your skin. The halogen lamps burn very bright, which has

> short waves instead. I think a heater coil (like those circular

stove

> coils that turn red) would do a better job at heating and

penetrating

> the heat but I can not find parts to make a similar set up like my

> halogen lamp setup. If you can think of parts that use long

infrared

> waves instead of halogen, please let me know. I even looked into

> ceramic heating elements but given my handiness, I don't think I

can

> make a simple device for this purpose (besides, where would you

even

> buy a ceramic element for cheap?).

>

> Will keep you posted.

>

> kihun

>

[Guest guest]

Kihun,Hope you kick their little A****.J.From: kihunrc <kihunshin@...>Subject: Re: Creating heat in the car using halogen lamps (follow up 11/1/2008)bird mites Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 9:53 PM

So today, I sacrificed watching college football, including the Ga

Tech vs FSU game that I so wanted to watch and I finally heat

treated my car using halogen lights and . I was so sick of

constantly spraying insecticides and Windex and I also believe heat

treating to be the only sure total-kill approach so I really wanted

to do it. It's just that I was overwhelmed about using propane

burner heaters and running a duct to the car so I opted for using

halogen lights. I had experimented with incandescent lights before

but they don't get nearly as hot as halogen. I wasn't sure how it

would turn out but, final result: 139.5F inside the car!

As described in the previous email, I had one 300W halogen security

light from Home Depot bought earlier in the week. I went there

again today to pick up some more and found what seemed to be a

blessing. Stacked up high in front of the Lighting section were

250w halogen work lights for only $5 each! I can't find it on the

HD website but they look just like this:

http://www.goodmart .com/products/ 1123217.htm

(although the HD one's cord is only about 6" long)

So I picked up 5 of them, along with this medium-duty 25' extension

cord (I also had another 50ft cord):

http://www.homedepo t.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?

storeId=10051 & langId=-1 & catalogId= 10053 & productId= 100650642

and a pair of 3-prong expansion outlets to plug into the end of the

extension cord so you can plug 3 lights into one cord.

I set up 3 of the 250w lights in the front seat, 2 250W lights and

the 300W light in the rear (I have a hatchback so I put the rear

seats down and the lights were sitting on top of a cookie sheet pan

on top of the lowered seats).

Total wattage was 1550W, which is within limits in terms of load

(old homes, be careful!). I kept watch the whole time fearing a

spike or fire and had the fire extinguisher next to me. I also

placed an oven meat thermometer (the type you stick into turkeys) on

top of the front seat by the head rest and a digital thermometer in

the rear.

I kept the car on at idle the whole time with the heater on the

hottest, highest setting to get the initial temperature up. My car

was parked on the driveway and the outside temperature was 72F when

I started. B/c the lights dry out the interior completely, I also

put a pot of water on the floor of the passenger seat - the thought

is that air that's too dry won't spread heat as well as slightly

humid air. Well I don't think that increased humidity at all b/c

the humidstat on the thermometer read 2% the whole time.

Regardless.. .

A Japanese website I found says to kill mites, sustain 50C (122F)

for 20min, 47C (117F) for 40min, 45C (113F) for 60min. I'm not sure

of what I have exactly so I wanted to get the car as hot as possible

above and beyond those temperatures. Slowly but surely, the

temperature went from 90 to 100... then to 110, 120, and spent an

hour climbing up through 130s and peaked at 139.5F at the end of 2.5

hrs. I had kept the heater on and that helped distribute the hot

air in the car. By then it was evening and the outside temperature

was in the high 50s. There's great heat loss from anywhere that's

glass on the car so I think the best bet is to start early when the

outside temperature is hotter. If you do this inside of a closed

garage, the heat loss would be a lot less (plus you can run a space

heater in the garage to keep the air temp high) but then you

wouldn't be able to keep your car running and to me, it wasn't worth

the risk of burning my mom's townhouse down if an accident occured.

I'm not sure if the mites are totally dead since before driving

home, I sprayed plenty of repellent on me and as always, put

painters drape over the seats but driving home felt a lot better.

Before, I'd get eaten alive. If thinking purely logically and

scientific, I had sustained high temp for at least 2 hours so the

bugs SHOULD all be dead. If not, I'll just do this again. That's

the good thing about this - now that I have it set up in the car,

all I have to do is to just plug the lights in to run another

session.

BTW, I have a 97 Acura Integra and it's a little car so YMMV

especially if you have a big SUV or something.

BTW, my team, Tech, won!!!! This has been a good day. I feel

that finally I have a weapon for the car that should work. Now the

big challenge that still remains is to rid the bugs from my condo

and my body.

Let's keep fighting! You guys are all in my prayers!!!

kihun

>

> After trying to create heat with incandescent light bulbs, I

failed

> miserably. It just does not get hot enough.

>

> Then I remembered about those 6ft halogen torchiere lamps I had in

my

> college dorm back in the days. Well you can no longer find them

> anywhere but then I found a better alternative. I picked up a

300W

> version of this halogen lamp at Home Depot the other day for $20.

>

> http://www.homedepo t.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?

> storeId=10051 & langId=-

> 1 & catalogId= 10053 & productId= 100652891 & N=10000003+ 90401

>

> You have to attach a 3 prong wall connector to it which you can

also

> pick up for about $3 at Home Depot. It's really bright and really

hot.

>

> What I like about this is that the design is very simple and the

> halogen bulb is inside of a sturdy metal case.

>

> I put it in a big metal pot, then as a test, put it in my walk in

> closet, which is around 5x4ft. Had the fire extinguisher nearby

just

> incase.

>

> Well it raised the temp from 80F to 92F. Not enough. Need to get

it

> to at least 130-140F. So I'm thinking about buying maybe 2 more

of

> these. Lighting 3 should be 1200W which is "safe" in terms of

load.

>

> Here's a question tho. I remember being in a dry, hot-rock sauna

in

> Japan few weeks ago. It uses long infrared waves to penetrate

heat

> through your skin. The halogen lamps burn very bright, which has

> short waves instead. I think a heater coil (like those circular

stove

> coils that turn red) would do a better job at heating and

penetrating

> the heat but I can not find parts to make a similar set up like my

> halogen lamp setup. If you can think of parts that use long

infrared

> waves instead of halogen, please let me know. I even looked into

> ceramic heating elements but given my handiness, I don't think I

can

> make a simple device for this purpose (besides, where would you

even

> buy a ceramic element for cheap?).

>

> Will keep you posted.

>

> kihun

>

[Guest guest]

Congrats! So glad you had a great day but even more so that you were

able to get the heat up in the car!! Kudos to you!! I hope this works

for you. Do you plan to do this heat treatment a few more days? Just

to make sure that they are gone?

All my best,

Trly

>

> So today, I sacrificed watching college football, including the Ga

> Tech vs FSU game that I so wanted to watch and I finally heat

> treated my car using halogen lights and . I was so sick of

> constantly spraying insecticides and Windex and I also believe heat

> treating to be the only sure total-kill approach so I really wanted

> to do it. It's just that I was overwhelmed about using propane

> burner heaters and running a duct to the car so I opted for using

> halogen lights. I had experimented with incandescent lights before

> but they don't get nearly as hot as halogen. I wasn't sure how it

> would turn out but, final result: 139.5F inside the car!

>

> As described in the previous email, I had one 300W halogen security

> light from Home Depot bought earlier in the week. I went there

> again today to pick up some more and found what seemed to be a

> blessing. Stacked up high in front of the Lighting section were

> 250w halogen work lights for only $5 each! I can't find it on the

> HD website but they look just like this:

> http://www.goodmart.com/products/1123217.htm

> (although the HD one's cord is only about 6 " long)

>

> So I picked up 5 of them, along with this medium-duty 25' extension

> cord (I also had another 50ft cord):

> http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?

> storeId=10051 & langId=-1 & catalogId=10053 & productId=100650642

> and a pair of 3-prong expansion outlets to plug into the end of the

> extension cord so you can plug 3 lights into one cord.

>

> I set up 3 of the 250w lights in the front seat, 2 250W lights and

> the 300W light in the rear (I have a hatchback so I put the rear

> seats down and the lights were sitting on top of a cookie sheet pan

> on top of the lowered seats).

>

> Total wattage was 1550W, which is within limits in terms of load

> (old homes, be careful!). I kept watch the whole time fearing a

> spike or fire and had the fire extinguisher next to me. I also

> placed an oven meat thermometer (the type you stick into turkeys)

on

> top of the front seat by the head rest and a digital thermometer in

> the rear.

>

> I kept the car on at idle the whole time with the heater on the

> hottest, highest setting to get the initial temperature up. My car

> was parked on the driveway and the outside temperature was 72F when

> I started. B/c the lights dry out the interior completely, I also

> put a pot of water on the floor of the passenger seat - the thought

> is that air that's too dry won't spread heat as well as slightly

> humid air. Well I don't think that increased humidity at all b/c

> the humidstat on the thermometer read 2% the whole time.

> Regardless...

>

> A Japanese website I found says to kill mites, sustain 50C (122F)

> for 20min, 47C (117F) for 40min, 45C (113F) for 60min. I'm not

sure

> of what I have exactly so I wanted to get the car as hot as

possible

> above and beyond those temperatures. Slowly but surely, the

> temperature went from 90 to 100... then to 110, 120, and spent an

> hour climbing up through 130s and peaked at 139.5F at the end of

2.5

> hrs. I had kept the heater on and that helped distribute the hot

> air in the car. By then it was evening and the outside temperature

> was in the high 50s. There's great heat loss from anywhere that's

> glass on the car so I think the best bet is to start early when the

> outside temperature is hotter. If you do this inside of a closed

> garage, the heat loss would be a lot less (plus you can run a space

> heater in the garage to keep the air temp high) but then you

> wouldn't be able to keep your car running and to me, it wasn't

worth

> the risk of burning my mom's townhouse down if an accident occured.

>

> I'm not sure if the mites are totally dead since before driving

> home, I sprayed plenty of repellent on me and as always, put

> painters drape over the seats but driving home felt a lot better.

> Before, I'd get eaten alive. If thinking purely logically and

> scientific, I had sustained high temp for at least 2 hours so the

> bugs SHOULD all be dead. If not, I'll just do this again. That's

> the good thing about this - now that I have it set up in the car,

> all I have to do is to just plug the lights in to run another

> session.

>

> BTW, I have a 97 Acura Integra and it's a little car so YMMV

> especially if you have a big SUV or something.

>

> BTW, my team, Tech, won!!!! This has been a good day. I feel

> that finally I have a weapon for the car that should work. Now the

> big challenge that still remains is to rid the bugs from my condo

> and my body.

>

> Let's keep fighting! You guys are all in my prayers!!!

>

> kihun

>

[Guest guest]

kihun, i so want the video i hope you made of you doing this

today...lol. kick bug arse, even if it isn't as fun as college ball.

start doing the baths i sent you if you haven't. it will start

getting them out of your body.

b

> >

> > After trying to create heat with incandescent light bulbs, I

> failed

> > miserably. It just does not get hot enough.

> >

> > Then I remembered about those 6ft halogen torchiere lamps I had

in

> my

> > college dorm back in the days. Well you can no longer find them

> > anywhere but then I found a better alternative. I picked up a

> 300W

> > version of this halogen lamp at Home Depot the other day for $20.

> >

> > http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?

> > storeId=10051 & langId=-

> > 1 & catalogId=10053 & productId=100652891 & N=10000003+90401

> >

> > You have to attach a 3 prong wall connector to it which you can

> also

> > pick up for about $3 at Home Depot. It's really bright and

really

> hot.

> >

> > What I like about this is that the design is very simple and the

> > halogen bulb is inside of a sturdy metal case.

> >

> > I put it in a big metal pot, then as a test, put it in my walk in

> > closet, which is around 5x4ft. Had the fire extinguisher nearby

> just

> > incase.

> >

> > Well it raised the temp from 80F to 92F. Not enough. Need to

get

> it

> > to at least 130-140F. So I'm thinking about buying maybe 2 more

> of

> > these. Lighting 3 should be 1200W which is " safe " in terms of

> load.

> >

> > Here's a question tho. I remember being in a dry, hot-rock sauna

> in

> > Japan few weeks ago. It uses long infrared waves to penetrate

> heat

> > through your skin. The halogen lamps burn very bright, which has

> > short waves instead. I think a heater coil (like those circular

> stove

> > coils that turn red) would do a better job at heating and

> penetrating

> > the heat but I can not find parts to make a similar set up like

my

> > halogen lamp setup. If you can think of parts that use long

> infrared

> > waves instead of halogen, please let me know. I even looked into

> > ceramic heating elements but given my handiness, I don't think I

> can

> > make a simple device for this purpose (besides, where would you

> even

> > buy a ceramic element for cheap?).

> >

> > Will keep you posted.

> >

> > kihun

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That is awsome, Kihun, I will copy this experiment of yours for my car, not an SUV, just a brand new Beemer, all. well almost thrashed with previous chemical assaults.

Got to get an idea of getting it out of the public garage for some private, heating time.

I have been using my 'mobile sauna technique', got to travel a lot for work, so I turn on the heater as hot as it gets, wear 'beach clothing', then once in a while, I open the windows and sun/moon roof and these things just get away as fast as they can, remember, I am one of the few, that can actually see them.

You go girl !

yeah, for GA Tech, I used to live in Atlanta, actually got married once in Fulton County, heee hee...

M

From: kihunrc <kihunshin (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Creating heat in the car using halogen lamps (follow up 11/1/2008)bird mitesDate: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 9:53 PM

So today, I sacrificed watching college football, including the Ga Tech vs FSU game that I so wanted to watch and I finally heat treated my car using halogen lights and . I was so sick of constantly spraying insecticides and Windex and I also believe heat treating to be the only sure total-kill approach so I really wanted to do it. It's just that I was overwhelmed about using propane burner heaters and running a duct to the car so I opted for using halogen lights. I had experimented with incandescent lights before but they don't get nearly as hot as halogen. I wasn't sure how it would turn out but, final result: 139.5F inside the car!As described in the previous email, I had one 300W halogen security light from Home Depot bought earlier in the week. I went there again today to pick up some more and found what seemed to be a blessing. Stacked up high in front of the Lighting section were

250w halogen work lights for only $5 each! I can't find it on the HD website but they look just like this:http://www.goodmart .com/products/ 1123217.htm(although the HD one's cord is only about 6" long)So I picked up 5 of them, along with this medium-duty 25' extension cord (I also had another 50ft cord):http://www.homedepo t.com/webapp/ wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?storeId=10051 & langId=-1 & catalogId= 10053 & productId= 100650642and a pair of 3-prong expansion outlets to plug into the end of the extension cord so you can plug 3 lights into one cord.I set up 3 of the 250w lights in the front seat, 2 250W lights and the 300W light in the rear (I have a hatchback so I put the rear seats

down and the lights were sitting on top of a cookie sheet pan on top of the lowered seats).Total wattage was 1550W, which is within limits in terms of load (old homes, be careful!). I kept watch the whole time fearing a spike or fire and had the fire extinguisher next to me. I also placed an oven meat thermometer (the type you stick into turkeys) on top of the front seat by the head rest and a digital thermometer in the rear.I kept the car on at idle the whole time with the heater on the hottest, highest setting to get the initial temperature up. My car was parked on the driveway and the outside temperature was 72F when I started. B/c the lights dry out the interior completely, I also put a pot of water on the floor of the passenger seat - the thought is that air that's too dry won't spread heat as well as slightly humid air. Well I don't think that increased humidity at all b/c the

humidstat on the thermometer read 2% the whole time. Regardless.. .A Japanese website I found says to kill mites, sustain 50C (122F) for 20min, 47C (117F) for 40min, 45C (113F) for 60min. I'm not sure of what I have exactly so I wanted to get the car as hot as possible above and beyond those temperatures. Slowly but surely, the temperature went from 90 to 100... then to 110, 120, and spent an hour climbing up through 130s and peaked at 139.5F at the end of 2.5 hrs. I had kept the heater on and that helped distribute the hot air in the car. By then it was evening and the outside temperature was in the high 50s. There's great heat loss from anywhere that's glass on the car so I think the best bet is to start early when the outside temperature is hotter. If you do this inside of a closed garage, the heat loss would be a lot less (plus you can run a space heater in the garage to keep the air temp

high) but then you wouldn't be able to keep your car running and to me, it wasn't worth the risk of burning my mom's townhouse down if an accident occured.I'm not sure if the mites are totally dead since before driving home, I sprayed plenty of repellent on me and as always, put painters drape over the seats but driving home felt a lot better. Before, I'd get eaten alive. If thinking purely logically and scientific, I had sustained high temp for at least 2 hours so the bugs SHOULD all be dead. If not, I'll just do this again. That's the good thing about this - now that I have it set up in the car, all I have to do is to just plug the lights in to run another session.BTW, I have a 97 Acura Integra and it's a little car so YMMV especially if you have a big SUV or something.BTW, my team, Tech, won!!!! This has been a good day. I feel that finally I have a weapon for the car that

should work. Now the big challenge that still remains is to rid the bugs from my condo and my body.Let's keep fighting! You guys are all in my prayers!!!kihun>> After trying to create heat with incandescent light bulbs, I failed > miserably. It just does not get hot enough.> > Then I remembered about those 6ft halogen torchiere lamps I had in my > college dorm back in the days. Well you can no longer find them > anywhere but then I found a better alternative. I picked up a 300W > version of this halogen lamp at Home Depot the other day for $20.> > http://www.homedepo t.com/webapp/

wcs/stores/ servlet/ProductD isplay?> storeId=10051 & langId=-> 1 & catalogId= 10053 & productId= 100652891 & N=10000003+ 90401> > You have to attach a 3 prong wall connector to it which you can also > pick up for about $3 at Home Depot. It's really bright and really hot.> > What I like about this is that the design is very simple and the > halogen bulb is inside of a sturdy metal case.> > I put it in a big metal pot, then as a test, put it in my walk in > closet, which is around 5x4ft. Had the fire extinguisher nearby just > incase.> > Well it raised the temp from 80F to 92F. Not enough. Need to get it > to at least 130-140F. So I'm thinking about buying maybe 2 more of > these. Lighting 3 should be 1200W which is "safe" in terms of load.> > Here's a question tho. I remember being in a dry,

hot-rock sauna in > Japan few weeks ago. It uses long infrared waves to penetrate heat > through your skin. The halogen lamps burn very bright, which has > short waves instead. I think a heater coil (like those circular stove > coils that turn red) would do a better job at heating and penetrating > the heat but I can not find parts to make a similar set up like my > halogen lamp setup. If you can think of parts that use long infrared > waves instead of halogen, please let me know. I even looked into > ceramic heating elements but given my handiness, I don't think I can > make a simple device for this purpose (besides, where would you even > buy a ceramic element for cheap?).> > Will keep you posted.> >

kihun>

[Guest guest]

Kihun

Yippy for you! so glad you got your car to a nice boiling temp!

In my experience with heat the first time left the environment clean

for perhaps 3 days....so you may have to repeat then, or spray

something. But after each weekend of heating they took longer and

longer to bounce back....e.g. it would be 4 days with extremely low

activity, then the next week 5 days then it would be almost all the way

from one heating to the next with no activity...till they were all

dried up and gone....so glad you found a good heat source and will be

able to repeat it....as repetition is the key with heat.

z

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the encouraging words!

I heat treated my other car today using the same halogen lights.

This time I left them on longer and the final temp was 151F!!!

As I mentioned in the previous post, there's great heat loss from the

windshield and windows. It took about two hours to reach 130 and it

took over an hour to go from the 130s to finally what I considered

the " magic " 140. Then another hour to go just another 2 degrees!

Then I found this old blanket/comforter in the garage so I draped that

over the car which covered up the windows and part of the front

windshield and the back glass. This helped alot as the temperature

went from 140 to the final temp of 151F in about an hour. I was

stoked! I'm sure it would've went higher if I had left it on longer

but it was getting late so I called it a day.

Again, I had kept the car running at idle with the heater on full

blast. I measured the exit temperature of the heater with no halogen

lights and it was 120F. I didn't know that the heater got that hot

but it was good to know that the starting temperature was that high to

begin with, although just running the heater itself will never get the

car up to 120F b/c of heat loss. The halogen lights are key to

fighting the heat loss and adding the extra 30 degrees.

I also pointed the lights to plastics in the car (from a safe

distance) such as the dashboard and back of the front seats. I

figured that would be the least wasteful way to do this since the

plastic parts would absorb the heat and help even out the cabin temp.

If pointing the lights at windows, that would just waste the heat.

For anyone that might want to try this, please do be careful! You

should do this outside and on your first attempt, don't use any

blankets and keep the view wide open and consistently monitor the

lights to make sure everything is okay. And keep a fire extinguisher

next to you as a safety measure. I've done this twice now and so far

so good.

It's now set up in the car so all I'll have to do is to just plug the

cords in for an easy repeat treatment.

>

> Kihun

> Yippy for you! so glad you got your car to a nice boiling temp!

> In my experience with heat the first time left the environment clean

> for perhaps 3 days....so you may have to repeat then, or spray

> something. But after each weekend of heating they took longer and

> longer to bounce back....e.g. it would be 4 days with extremely low

> activity, then the next week 5 days then it would be almost all the

way

> from one heating to the next with no activity...till they were all

> dried up and gone....so glad you found a good heat source and will

be

> able to repeat it....as repetition is the key with heat.

> z

>

[Guest guest]

Ki,

This is a innovative way to apply heat and may I request you post a detailed instruction and description with links on where those interested could purchase the supplies needed to do this. Particular bulb, wattage, what did you put the bulb in, etc? Perhaps one of the posting links experts here could put that file into storage for future references? If I ever have a problem with my car again, I would be interested in that particular post and I am sure others whom cannot apply heat by renting a unit, buying tubing, noise level, etc. Very innovative.....Keep hammering!

Frito

From: kihunrc <kihunshin@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 11:09:11 PMSubject: Re: Creating heat in the car using halogen lamps (follow up 11/1/2008)

Thanks for all the encouraging words!I heat treated my other car today using the same halogen lights.This time I left them on longer and the final temp was 151F!!!As I mentioned in the previous post, there's great heat loss from the windshield and windows. It took about two hours to reach 130 and it took over an hour to go from the 130s to finally what I considered the "magic" 140. Then another hour to go just another 2 degrees! Then I found this old blanket/comforter in the garage so I draped that over the car which covered up the windows and part of the front windshield and the back glass. This helped alot as the temperature went from 140 to the final temp of 151F in about an hour. I was stoked! I'm sure it would've went higher if I had left it on longer but it was getting late so I called it a day.Again, I had kept the car running at idle with the heater on full blast. I measured the

exit temperature of the heater with no halogen lights and it was 120F. I didn't know that the heater got that hot but it was good to know that the starting temperature was that high to begin with, although just running the heater itself will never get the car up to 120F b/c of heat loss. The halogen lights are key to fighting the heat loss and adding the extra 30 degrees.I also pointed the lights to plastics in the car (from a safe distance) such as the dashboard and back of the front seats. I figured that would be the least wasteful way to do this since the plastic parts would absorb the heat and help even out the cabin temp. If pointing the lights at windows, that would just waste the heat.For anyone that might want to try this, please do be careful! You should do this outside and on your first attempt, don't use any blankets and keep the view wide open and consistently monitor the lights

to make sure everything is okay. And keep a fire extinguisher next to you as a safety measure. I've done this twice now and so far so good.It's now set up in the car so all I'll have to do is to just plug the cords in for an easy repeat treatment.>> Kihun> Yippy for you! so glad you got your car to a nice boiling temp!> In my experience with heat the first time left the environment clean > for perhaps 3 days....so you may have to repeat then, or spray > something. But after each weekend of heating they took longer and > longer to bounce back....e.g. it would be 4 days with extremely low > activity, then the next week 5 days then it would be almost all the

way > from one heating to the next with no activity...till they were all > dried up and gone....so glad you found a good heat source and will be > able to repeat it....as repetition is the key with heat.> z>

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I'm combining what I wrote last night with my original post.

I'll try to put a pictures somewhere but in the meantime, hopefully

for those that want to try, this should be enough info to get you

stared.

kihun

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From: kihunrc <kihunshin@...>

bird mites

Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 11:09:11 PM

Subject: Re: Creating heat in the car using halogen

lamps (follow up 11/1/2008)

Thanks for all the encouraging words!

I heat treated my other car today using the same halogen lights.

This time I left them on longer and the final temp was 151F!!!

As I mentioned in the previous post, there's great heat loss from

the windshield and windows. It took about two hours to reach 130

and it took over an hour to go from the 130s to finally what I

considered the " magic " 140. Then another hour to go just another 2

degrees! Then I found this old blanket/comforter in the garage so I

draped that over the car which covered up the windows and part of

the front windshield and the back glass. This helped alot as the

temperature went from 140 to the final temp of 151F in about an

hour. I was stoked! I'm sure it would've went higher if I had left

it on longer but it was getting late so I called it a day.

Again, I had kept the car running at idle with the heater on full

blast. I measured the exit temperature of the heater with no halogen

lights and it was 120F. I didn't know that the heater got that hot

but it was good to know that the starting temperature was that high

to begin with, although just running the heater itself will never

get the car up to 120F b/c of heat loss. The halogen lights are key

to fighting the heat loss and adding the extra 30 degrees.

I also pointed the lights to plastics in the car (from a safe

distance) such as the dashboard and back of the front seats. I

figured that would be the least wasteful way to do this since the

plastic parts would absorb the heat and help even out the cabin

temp. If pointing the lights at windows, that would just waste the

heat.

For anyone that might want to try this, please do be careful! You

should do this outside and on your first attempt, don't use any

blankets and keep the view wide open and consistently monitor the

lights to make sure everything is okay. And keep a fire extinguisher

next to you as a safety measure. I've done this twice now and so far

so good.

It's now set up in the car so all I'll have to do is to just plug

the cords in for an easy repeat treatment.

> >

> > After trying to create heat with incandescent light bulbs, I

> failed

> > miserably. It just does not get hot enough.

> >

> > Then I remembered about those 6ft halogen torchiere lamps I had

in

> my

> > college dorm back in the days. Well you can no longer find them

> > anywhere but then I found a better alternative. I picked up a

> 300W

> > version of this halogen lamp at Home Depot the other day for $20.

> >

> >

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?

> > storeId=10051 & langId=-

> > 1 & catalogId=10053 & productId=100652891 & N=10000003+90401

> >

> > You have to attach a 3 prong wall connector to it which you can

> also

> > pick up for about $3 at Home Depot. It's really bright and

really

> hot.

> >

> > What I like about this is that the design is very simple and the

> > halogen bulb is inside of a sturdy metal case.

> >

> > I put it in a big metal pot, then as a test, put it in my walk

in

> > closet, which is around 5x4ft. Had the fire extinguisher nearby

> just

> > incase.

> >

> > Well it raised the temp from 80F to 92F. Not enough. Need to

get

> it

> > to at least 130-140F. So I'm thinking about buying maybe 2 more

> of

> > these. Lighting 3 should be 1200W which is " safe " in terms of

> load.

> >

> > Here's a question tho. I remember being in a dry, hot-rock

sauna

> in

> > Japan few weeks ago. It uses long infrared waves to penetrate

> heat

> > through your skin. The halogen lamps burn very bright, which

has

> > short waves instead. I think a heater coil (like those circular

> stove

> > coils that turn red) would do a better job at heating and

> penetrating

> > the heat but I can not find parts to make a similar set up like

my

> > halogen lamp setup. If you can think of parts that use long

> infrared

> > waves instead of halogen, please let me know. I even looked

into

> > ceramic heating elements but given my handiness, I don't think I

> can

> > make a simple device for this purpose (besides, where would you

> even

> > buy a ceramic element for cheap?).

> >

> > Will keep you posted.

> >

> > kihun

> >

>

[Guest guest]

BTW, the digital thermometer I have is Oregon Scientific Weather 300

model from Target for $30. It comes with a remote unit that can

pickup outside temperature and also comes with an indoor

thermometer/humidstat. You can pickup $10 models at Walmart but

I've really come to like this model. I place the remote unit inside

the car so I can monitor the inside temperature from a distance.

When " baking " clothes in the home oven I also place the remote unit

inside to monitor the temp.

> > >

> > > After trying to create heat with incandescent light bulbs, I

> > failed

> > > miserably. It just does not get hot enough.

> > >

> > > Then I remembered about those 6ft halogen torchiere lamps I

had

> in

> > my

> > > college dorm back in the days. Well you can no longer find

them

> > > anywhere but then I found a better alternative. I picked up a

> > 300W

> > > version of this halogen lamp at Home Depot the other day for

$20.

> > >

> > >

> http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?

> > > storeId=10051 & langId=-

> > > 1 & catalogId=10053 & productId=100652891 & N=10000003+90401

> > >

> > > You have to attach a 3 prong wall connector to it which you

can

> > also

> > > pick up for about $3 at Home Depot. It's really bright and

> really

> > hot.

> > >

> > > What I like about this is that the design is very simple and

the

> > > halogen bulb is inside of a sturdy metal case.

> > >

> > > I put it in a big metal pot, then as a test, put it in my walk

> in

> > > closet, which is around 5x4ft. Had the fire extinguisher

nearby

> > just

> > > incase.

> > >

> > > Well it raised the temp from 80F to 92F. Not enough. Need to

> get

> > it

> > > to at least 130-140F. So I'm thinking about buying maybe 2

more

> > of

> > > these. Lighting 3 should be 1200W which is " safe " in terms of

> > load.

> > >

> > > Here's a question tho. I remember being in a dry, hot-rock

> sauna

> > in

> > > Japan few weeks ago. It uses long infrared waves to penetrate

> > heat

> > > through your skin. The halogen lamps burn very bright, which

> has

> > > short waves instead. I think a heater coil (like those

circular

> > stove

> > > coils that turn red) would do a better job at heating and

> > penetrating

> > > the heat but I can not find parts to make a similar set up

like

> my

> > > halogen lamp setup. If you can think of parts that use long

> > infrared

> > > waves instead of halogen, please let me know. I even looked

> into

> > > ceramic heating elements but given my handiness, I don't think

I

> > can

> > > make a simple device for this purpose (besides, where would

you

> > even

> > > buy a ceramic element for cheap?).

> > >

> > > Will keep you posted.

> > >

> > > kihun

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am inclined to go for the car heating, however, have concerns about the fragile electronics in there with such high temps.

Also, why did 'we' decide that those car painting shops and their baking ovens would not work as well? Sorry, I forgot.

If the car experiment works out in the long run, then the same technique could be applied to apartments, yes, no ?

M

From: fritolay66 <fritolay66@...>Subject: Re: Re: Creating heat in the car using halogen lamps (follow up 11/1/2008)bird mites Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:36 AM

Ki,

This is a innovative way to apply heat and may I request you post a detailed instruction and description with links on where those interested could purchase the supplies needed to do this. Particular bulb, wattage, what did you put the bulb in, etc? Perhaps one of the posting links experts here could put that file into storage for future references? If I ever have a problem with my car again, I would be interested in that particular post and I am sure others whom cannot apply heat by renting a unit, buying tubing, noise level, etc. Very innovative.. ...Keep hammering!

Frito

From: kihunrc <kihunshin (DOT) com>bird mitesSent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 11:09:11 PMSubject: Re: Creating heat in the car using halogen lamps (follow up 11/1/2008)

Thanks for all the encouraging words!I heat treated my other car today using the same halogen lights.This time I left them on longer and the final temp was 151F!!!As I mentioned in the previous post, there's great heat loss from the windshield and windows. It took about two hours to reach 130 and it took over an hour to go from the 130s to finally what I considered the "magic" 140. Then another hour to go just another 2 degrees! Then I found this old blanket/comforter in the garage so I draped that over the car which covered up the windows and part of the front windshield and the back glass. This helped alot as the temperature went from 140 to the final temp of 151F in about an hour. I was stoked! I'm sure it would've went higher if I had left it on longer but it was getting late so I called it a day.Again, I had kept the car running at idle with the heater on full blast. I measured the

exit temperature of the heater with no halogen lights and it was 120F. I didn't know that the heater got that hot but it was good to know that the starting temperature was that high to begin with, although just running the heater itself will never get the car up to 120F b/c of heat loss. The halogen lights are key to fighting the heat loss and adding the extra 30 degrees.I also pointed the lights to plastics in the car (from a safe distance) such as the dashboard and back of the front seats. I figured that would be the least wasteful way to do this since the plastic parts would absorb the heat and help even out the cabin temp. If pointing the lights at windows, that would just waste the heat.For anyone that might want to try this, please do be careful! You should do this outside and on your first attempt, don't use any blankets and keep the view wide open and consistently monitor the lights

to make sure everything is okay. And keep a fire extinguisher next to you as a safety measure. I've done this twice now and so far so good.It's now set up in the car so all I'll have to do is to just plug the cords in for an easy repeat treatment.>> Kihun> Yippy for you! so glad you got your car to a nice boiling temp!> In my experience with heat the first time left the environment clean > for perhaps 3 days....so you may have to repeat then, or spray > something. But after each weekend of heating they took longer and > longer to bounce back....e.g. it would be 4 days with extremely low > activity, then the next week 5 days then it would be almost all the way > from one heating to the next with no

activity...till they were all > dried up and gone....so glad you found a good heat source and will be > able to repeat it....as repetition is the key with heat.> z>

[Guest guest]

On a really hot summer day, a car's interior temperature can reach

150F+ so I wouldn't worry about it. Just to give us a perspective,

depending on the color of the car, if you take the temperature of

the car's metal surface outside, it' can be over 200F so cars can

withstands lots of heat in general. Otherwise, all those cars in

Vegas and Phoenix would not be running

About baking the car in a paint booth oven at a body shop, I

actually did it once. I paid the owner $200 cash and the most time

he'd give me was one hour in the oven at 160F citing the fact he has

to use lots of gas for the oven and it costs him a lot of money

too. I was hopeful but it did not work. $200 down the drain (I

could've bought another dehumidifier!) The oven temp was 160F but

given only an hour, who knows what the actual temperature of the car

was. When you heat treat, you'll have to do it for several hours to

make sure that heat has penetrated and evened out in the interior.

But the biggest difficulty is that you will have with body shops is

that it's very hard to find a shop that will do it for you. I must

have called over 10 places and all of them said no except for the

one. Also, it appears (especially from what zmooks wrote) that even

if you heat treat the car, they may not be completely knocked out

from one session and will eventually multiply. If you have your own

set up, you can do repeat treatments as necessary.

If you get the 250W halogen worklights from Home Depot, each is $5.

You may want to get 6 of them. That will cost you a total of ~$30 +

cost of electricity Cheap!

You can definitely heat treat homes/apts using jet propane heaters

(they are cylindrical and blow heat out with good force) as some

have done on this forum w/ great success as it is a total kill. But

I think halogen lights will not work in your apt. It's just too

much space to heat. It took a couple of hours to get to 150F for my

car using 6 lights. It'll never reach lethal temp in an apt. You

may if you use 20 lights but that will certainly trip the circuits

(also fire hazard) given the amt of wattage. One thing - if your

apt has fire sprinklers, it's a dealbreaker - NEVER attempt to heat

treat it. The gas cynlinders in the sprinklers will break at a

certain temp (my condo one is a red one which is rated at 150F).

kihun

> >

> > Kihun

> > Yippy for you! so glad you got your car to a nice boiling temp!

> > In my experience with heat the first time left the environment

clean

> > for perhaps 3 days....so you may have to repeat then, or spray

> > something. But after each weekend of heating they took longer

and

> > longer to bounce back....e.g. it would be 4 days with extremely

low

> > activity, then the next week 5 days then it would be almost all

the

> way

> > from one heating to the next with no activity...till they were

all

> > dried up and gone....so glad you found a good heat source and

will

> be

> > able to repeat it....as repetition is the key with heat.

> > z

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not aware of anyone successfully heat treating an apartment, but

maybe I missed the posts. The thinking was that the bugs would just

go into adjoining apartments to get away from the heat. Zmooks

successfully got rid of them by heat treating, but it was a house.

myrtle

> >

> > Kihun

> > Yippy for you! so glad you got your car to a nice boiling temp!

> > In my experience with heat the first time left the environment clean

> > for perhaps 3 days....so you may have to repeat then, or spray

> > something. But after each weekend of heating they took longer and

> > longer to bounce back....e.g. it would be 4 days with extremely low

> > activity, then the next week 5 days then it would be almost all the

> way

> > from one heating to the next with no activity...till they were all

> > dried up and gone....so glad you found a good heat source and will

> be

> > able to repeat it....as repetition is the key with heat.

> > z

> >

>