Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Sue in NJ " <sparticles@...> > The jumpstart day - starch and fruit only - is only 1 day a week. You can > have beans from day 1 as part of your starch portion. That sounds more like it. Since you're a brown rice addict this might be right up your alley. > about the new plan came out, but by day 2 my blood sugars were crashing > down into the 50's before lunch time. or maybe not...... > used plain white rice and canned fruit cocktail, and the plan consisted of > only that for at least a month, then tomatoes and green peppers were > allowed for the next 2 weeks, That sounds sooooo healthy. Why can't these silly scientists just get this figured out so most people can be a reasonable weight. We keep going back to low fat, low cal but most people can't even make that stick. > diets, which leads to water retention and somehow that sodium also helps > your tissues retain the fat in the body Interesting theory. I wonder if it has any merit. Being super low sodium has helped your health but not necessarily your weight. > When do you get your first solid foods? I know, it won't really be > " solid " , but still. When my brother had his ulcer surgery (half his > stomach and a few feet of intestines were removed) Did he lose a lot of weight? I had surgery on Friday. Tomorrow I'll go for a check up and have the drain removed. At that point I should be cleared for full liquids and driving. Yippee! They define full liquids as any s cream soup. Those don't need to be strained. Anything chunkier than that should be blended or strained. I can have yogurt smoothies and milk. Any liquids that are low in sugar, caffeine free and non-carbonated. I have about 20 different soups in my cabinet. Full liquids lasts for 5 weeks then I move to soft foods. Yogurt, pudding, mashed pototoes, soft veggies, pasta, etc. Soft foods is 6 more weeks to get me to the 3 month point. After that I can try anything in small quantities to see what I can tolerate. Sip, sip, sip, walk, walk, walk.... protein first then veggies then other carbs. Don't drink when you eat so you won't wash food out of your pouch. Let that food stay in your pouch for a while so you feel nice and full without getting hungry. Many people find that sugar makes this ill so hopefully that will be good incentive to avoid it. After the first 3 months it's really anything in moderation. Sheesh. I'm exhausted. I was up until after 4am this morning. I have my days and nights all mixed up. I think I'll head back to bed and set the alarm for noon to try to get on a normal schedule. I have energy which is totally weird to me since I'm barely consuming any calories. I should be non-functioning by day 5 on liquids. Well, I should say I have energy in the middle of the night...... Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Can you do things like Carnation Instant Breakfast? My doc said that it was a nutritionally the same as the slim fast stuff -- but was cheaper. I do use it sometimes for a mid-afternoon snack. Ann and <maryannanderic@...> wrote: Yippee! They define full liquids as any s cream soup. Those don't need to be strained. Anything chunkier than that should be blended or strained. I can have yogurt smoothies and milk. Any liquids that are low in sugar, caffeine free and non-carbonated. I have about 20 different soups in my cabinet. Dacia <>< For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 > > about the new plan came out, but by day 2 my blood sugars were crashing > > down into the 50's before lunch time. > > or maybe not...... ??? Wanna see what's in the memory in my Accucheck meter? > That sounds sooooo healthy. That's why when Dr. kempner retired and sold the program to the tti's (He's an MD, she's a nutritionist) they changed it around to what's in the Heal Your Heart and Rice Diet Solution books. Sure, people lost large amounts of wieght, but at what cost to their health? Why can't these silly scientists just get > this figured out so most people can be a reasonable weight. All these new studies keep saying is that people who are thin to normal weight (usually *naturally*, after a diet or WLS) usually live longer than people who are on the high end and on the low end of the weight loss ranges. That means people who are too thin have the same mortality rate as those who are too fat - those people usually 400 pounds and above. But most of these studies are also mentioning that science still doesn't know *how* to make people thin permanently, that it's going to take a lot more years of study and will probably come out of a genetics research lab in the end. We keep going > back to low fat, low cal but most people can't even make that stick. Yep, no matter what weight loss plan people lost their weight on, 95 to 98 per cent still gain most, if not all, of it back within 5 years. > Being super low sodium > has helped your health but not necessarily your weight. My library still hasn't been able to get either of the books for me, I just catch pages here and there on Amazon and other sites, so I wonder *how* they figure very low sodium releases fat in a body. That's a " first " for me, and I thought I read *every* weight loss plan out there, including the crackpot ones. LOL > Did he lose a lot of weight? Not an ounce. He's still hovering between 375 and 400 at 6'2 " . He was that weight in the years before surgery when he could barely eat, and he's still that wieght now, about 3 years post op. Well, he was the last time anyone spoke to him, about this time last year after my dad died. Nobody has had -or wants - contact with him since then. > They define full liquids as any s cream soup. Those don't > need to be strained. Just watch out for the chunks of mushrooms or chicken in those soups. I know s has them, but the store brands usually don't. Full liquids should hold you pretty well, hunger-wise. > Soft foods is 6 more weeks to > get me to the 3 month point. You should be showing a significant weight loss by then. Good luck with the liquids. > protein first then veggies then other carbs. LOL Sounds like the instructions I got from Henry's docs when he started on solids at the age of 1 year. His first 2 weeks were baby meats only, then add veggies, and save fruits for last so he doesn't develop a sweet tooth. To this day he still hates meat in most forms and really doesn't like sweets. Don't drink when you eat so > you won't wash food out of your pouch. Dr. McDougall says not to force liquids, nor drink while eating, too. Why wash the food away when you *want* to be full? >Many people find > that sugar makes this ill so hopefully that will be good incentive to avoid > it. Well, it sounds weird to be saying, but I hope it affects you that way. Sugary things seem to be your downfall. > Sheesh. I'm exhausted. I was up until after 4am this morning. And I've been up since 4:30 am. I have my > days and nights all mixed up. Hospitals do that to a lot of people, especially post-op, when nurses come poking and prodding you ever hour or so. >Well, I should say I have energy in > the middle of the night...... Henry's been doing his best school work between midnight and 2am lately. There must be something in the air at that time of night, but *I* would never know it! Sue in NJ who really should be putting the laundry away but is watching the snowstorm - YES, snowstorm - out the window instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Sue in NJ " <sparticles@...> >> > down into the 50's before lunch time. >> >> or maybe not...... > > ??? Wanna see what's in the memory in my Accucheck meter? You didn't read that like I intended it. In the line above I said the brown rice diet would be ideal for you. You wrote that your sugar crashes so I added on " or maybe not " meaning it wouldn't be ideal for you. I certainly wasn't disputing your reaction. I hope I don't get reactive hypoglycemia like some WLS patients. I don't really understand how people can have reactive hypoglycemia when they aren't consuming much sugar but I guess they become super sensitive. > That means people who are too thin have the same mortality rate as those > who are too fat - those people usually 400 pounds and above. That's interesting and rather surprising. > studies are also mentioning that science still doesn't know *how* to make > people thin permanently, The WLS surgeons in the info seminars say that no one understands all the mechanisms that come into play after surgery. Why do some people stop being diabetic immediately after surgery when they've only lost 15 pounds? > I thought I read *every* weight loss plan out there, including the > crackpot ones. LOL You are our resident expert. Sad that you are estranged from your brother. Is he that bad? > Just watch out for the chunks of mushrooms or chicken in those soups. I > know s has them, Those size chunk are fine (according to the doc) although I'll probably blend up the Cream of Celery since that is so fibrous. Anything chunkier needs to be strained or blended. > You should be showing a significant weight loss by then. Good luck with > the liquids. Thanks. The liquid phase drives some people crazy but I have a huge variety of soup on hand and I'll pick up yogurt drinks and other stuff for variety. > LOL Sounds like the instructions I got from Henry's docs when he started > on solids at the age of 1 year. Yup. Many people compare it to starting to eat all over again. Many people call their WLS date their birthday. > Dr. McDougall says not to force liquids, nor drink while eating, too. Why > wash the food away when you *want* to be full? This will be very hard for me. I'm a 6 glass of iced tea with lunch kinda girl. > Well, it sounds weird to be saying, but I hope it affects you that way. > Sugary things seem to be your downfall. Sugar and volume and on and on and on......... > Hospitals do that to a lot of people, especially post-op, when nurses come > poking and prodding you ever hour or so. They weren't too bad. Thank goodness it wasn't like when Vonn was born and the & $^%*@ nurse's aide students from the local community college would come by every 3 min. to check my temp and bp. They are all lucky to still be alive. It was also nice to just be selfish and focus on me instead of worrying about a newborn. > who really should be putting the laundry away but is watching the > snowstorm - YES, snowstorm - out the window instead Get out! It's been warm here. 84, 85, 86 are highs for the next few days. Blech! My mom will be bringing the girls home from school in 20 min. so I'm going to take a book and a bottle of water outside and enjoy the sunshine. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 >You wrote that your sugar crashes so I > added on " or maybe not " meaning it wouldn't be ideal for you. I certainly > wasn't disputing your reaction. Yeah, I guess I did read it wrong. Sorry for the reaction, but even my own doc disputes the existence of hypoglycemia, even when I bring him my meter and print outs and remind him of my multiple glucose tolerance tests results. I hope I don't get reactive > hypoglycemia like some WLS patients. I don't really understand how people > can have reactive hypoglycemia when they aren't consuming much sugar but I > guess they become super sensitive. Sometimes it's just the lower amount of fiber in a meal that can set it off. I can eat a breakfast of old fashioned oatmeal with some raisins and unsweetened applesauce to equal about 300 calories. I can eat the same 300 calories in a sandwich of sprouted whole grain bread with no added sugar, all-fruit spread, and Tofutti soy cream cheese. The total carbs are about equal, too. An hour later my sugars are pretty stable, less than half a doubling of my fasting, with the oatmeal, more than doubled with the sandwich. By 2 hours, the oatmeal readings are back to about fasting levels, but the sandwich sugars have now dropped to *below* the fasting level. The more fiber in a meal the slower it's digested and the slower the sugars are absorbed. I've been living like this for 23 years now, and it's the pits! To keep blood sugars stable I'm supposed to be eating every 2-3 hours high fiber foods. Now try eating every 2-3 hours and try lose weight! > Sad that you are estranged from your brother. Is he that bad? Oh, yeah! A small taste - He married a rich girl their junior year of college and let her earn the money while he stayed home. When she demaned he get a job about 3 years into their marriage he purposely jumped out a window and broke both ankles. Luckily she divorced him as soon as he could walk again. He's a satanist. No, not a wiccan, like many of the ladies here are, but a full-fledged satanist. He and his second wife travelled the country, going from state to state collecting welfare. As soon as it ran out in one state they moved to another. When they ran out of states they wanted to live in, they moved to Australia and continue to live off the Australian welfare system to this day. When they had kids (I feel SO sorry for those boys!) they told my dad and step-mom to stop sending them toys and presents, that they don't want their kids growing up in a fantasy world and said they threw away everything that had already been sent. They don't celebrate any holidays except Halloween, a holiday that isn't even celebrated in Australia like we do in America, with black cats and costumes and trick and treaters. And he and his wife divorced, even though they continue to live together, because they get more assistance money that way. When an elderly relative died a few years ago he kept sending the executor of his estate telegrams demanding she pack up the crap he left in his basement 30 years ago and ship it all to Australia. When she said the uncle tossed it all out 20 years ago he threatened to sue unless the estate make compensation to him. She had to threaten *him* with a lawsuit to stop harassing her. When our dad died last year he phoned the widow later the same day and asked what's his share of the estate he left. He was told there *is* no " estate " , that because of their medical bills throughout the years their bank accounts are drained and all she has left is the house, since the way his pension contract was written, when he died she was no longer eligible for his pension or the health insurance. He started getting abusive to her over the phone demanding she send him his share of the sale of the house. He then cursed her out when told that Florida state law says it's all hers if there was no will, and there wasn't. The list goes on and on. Our younger brother has his phone number and gets a drunken abusive call from him or the wife every now and then on his answering machine, but otherwise there's no contact. > blend up the Cream of Celery since that is so fibrous. Celery is one of the things I can no longer stand to eat in any form. I guess it's because I was forced to eat it so much as a kid, always on diets, that now the thought of it just makes me shudder. I use a teensy bit of it in my home made soups, but that's about it. >and I'll pick up yogurt drinks and other stuff for variety. Those are so good, but watch the sugar! Do they make sugar-free ones? I know the soy ones don't, which is why I rarely have one. > > snowstorm - YES, snowstorm - out the window instead > > Get out! It's been warm here. 84, 85, 86 are highs for the next few days. We wound up with only 0.1 " as the official total in NYC, but it was enough to bring us over 40 " for the year, making this the 4th year and breaking the record of consecutive years with 40 or more inches for the season. >so I'm going > to take a book and a bottle of water outside and enjoy the sunshine. I was all ready for jury duty today, then when I made the phone call last night found out I'm not needed, so I have a lunch all set, so if it warms up later today I might take a nice long walk in the park and then have a private picnic on the waterfront. If it gets too breezy I can eat in the car. We're supposed to go up to 55 today - downright tropical after yesterday! LOL Have a good day! Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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