Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Addresses many so-called viruses, not just HIV http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm GO TO WEBSITE FOR PHOTOS (or non-photos ) (and Stefan is gorgeous!) Dr. Stefan Lanka Exposes The " Viral Fraud " Pictures of " Isolated Viruses " Debunked Dr. Stefan Lanka, virologist and molecular biologist, is internationally mostly known as an " AIDS dissident " (and maybe " gentechnology dissident " ) who has been questioning the very existence of " HIV " since 1994. In the past years, however, he stumbled over a breathtaking fact: Not even ONE of the (medically relevant) viruses has ever been isolated; there is no proof of their existence. Actually, Dr. Lanka has already stated three years ago, in the almost " legendary " Zenger´s interview: " So for a long time I studied virology, from the end to the beginning, from the beginning to the end, to be absolutely sure that there was no such thing as HIV. And it was easy for me to be sure about this because I realized that the whole group of viruses to which HIV is said to belong, the retroviruses -- as well as other viruses which are claimed to be very dangerous -- in fact do not exist at all. " So he was thoroughly reading the literature on those " other viruses " again, and after he could still not find any paper which would provide the evidence, he encouraged people not to BELIEVE him but to ask the institutes and authorities themselves. This has actually taken place, mostly initiated by mothers. The responses were revealing. In September 2001 the German book " Impfen - Völkermord im dritten Jahrtausend? " (Vaccination - Genocide in the third millennium?) by Stefan Lanka and Karl Krafeld was published in which they state that there is still no proof of any (medically relevant) virus. This movement (klein-klein-aktion ~ many little actions/steps) has a German website: www.klein-klein-aktion.de which I have taken (and translated) all the following texts from. For almost one year we have been asking authorities, politicians and medical institutes after the scientific evidence for the existence of such viruses that are said to cause disease and therefore require " immunization " . After almost one year we have not received even one concrete answer which provides evidence for the existence of those " vaccination viruses " . The conclusion is inevitable that our children are still vaccinated on the basis of scientific standards of the 18th and 19th century. In the 19th century Koch demanded in his generally accepted postulates evidence of the virus in order to prove infection; at Koch´s time this evidence couldn´t be achieved directly by visualization and characterization of the viruses, because adequate technology wasn´t available at that time. Methods of modern medicine have profoundly changed over the past 60 years, in particular by the invention of the electron microscope. And still all these viruses we get immunized against have never been re-examined using this technology? Several images and explanations that we were pointed to and that were said to show resp. describe (characterize) viruses, we showed to Dr. Lanka who gives his summarizing comments: [The German original of the following text by Stefan Lanka you can find here (temporarily not available for technical reasons, Jan 11, 2003)] All these photos have in common that they, resp. the authors, can´t claim that they present a virus, as long as they do not also provide the original publications which describe how and what from the virus has been isolated. Such original publications are cited nowhere. Indeed, in the entire scientific literature there´s not even one publication, where for " viruses in the medicine " the fulfillment of Koch´s first postulate is even claimed. That means, that there is no proof that from humans with certain diseases the viruses - which are held responsible for these diseases - have been isolated. Nevertheless, this is precisely what they publicly claim. Now, regarding the photos submitted: 1. Many of the photos are colored. This is proof enough, that they are the (art)work of designers, because electron microscopic photos always appear in black and white. 2. The images of the so called HIV-, measles (Masern)- and smallpox (Pocken) viruses clearly show, as the image descriptions partly already indicate, that these are cells wherein the viruses can allegedly be found. Thus, nothing has been isolated. The photos actually show cells and typical endogenous particles in them. These structures are well known and serve the intra- and intercellular transport. Unlike viruses of the same kind - that are always the same size and same shape (consistency) -, they differ in size and shape (consistency) and therefore can´t be isolated. 3. In the case of the influenza- herpes-, vaccinia-, polio-, adeno- and ebola-viruses each photo shows only a single particle; nobody claims that they´re isolated particles, let alone particles that have been isolated from humans. These particles are partially the cellular particles mentioned above (#2) resp. typical artifacts which means: structures that accrue after inappropriate fixing and drying of the probes, while being prepared for the electron microscope. 4. The " isolated " polio viruses are artificial particles, generated by suction of an indifferent mass through a very fine filter into a vacuum. Its structure (no characteristic structures) differ clearly from the ones of the " viruses " in the cells. Here the information is essential that a biochemical characterization of those " isolated " viruses, although " isolation " is claimed, has never been published anywhere nor has anybody even claimed such a characterization. 5. The photo with the hepatitis B " viruses " does not show isolated structures, but - as the image title already says, an agglutinate. This is the scientific/medical term for proteins from the blood that are clumped together, as is typical for coagulations. Typically, thereby round and also crystal structures accrue - depending on the condition of the blood sample. In summary, it must be said that these photos are an attempt of fraud committed by the researchers and medical scientists involved, as far as they assert that these structures are viruses or even isolated viruses. To what extent the involved journalists and authors of textbooks have contributed to this fraud knowlingly or only out of gross negligence, I don´t know. Everyone who starts a recherche in the medical literature, will quickly encounter statements and references that Koch´s first postulate can´t be fulfilled (i.e. Großgebauer: Eine kurze Geschichte der Mikroben, 1997 [ " a little story of the microbes " ]; editor: Verlag für angewandte Wissenschaft). How these authors who claim the existence of viruses could overlook that, remains a riddle. Could it be that the term " Contagium " = " Gift " (poison/toxin) = " Virus " from the 18th and 19th century was applied in the 20th century to the cell components which were named " viruses " since the electron microscope was introduced in 1931? And in order to hide this, the " disease causing viruses " have often been described but never been isolated? And then they were used as seemingly logical explanation for poisonings and adverse affects of vaccination, as Luhmann (1995) (i.e.) writes about the symptomatic of Hepatitis B, which was observed for the first time in 1985 following smallpox vaccinations, and 1938 following measles vaccinations? The copies in the textbooks show only structures within cells and nothing that looks like isolation and thus homogenous. The biochemical characterization, which is crucial, lacks completely. Koch and colleagues, Prof. Rush, Prof. Max von Pettenkofer, Prof. Virchow have shown, for instance by experiments and by observation of the Henle-Koch´s rules that by transmission of bacteria, the supposed contagium vivum, it was not possible to cause the same disease. So Koch modified (weakened) the 3rd postulate of his teacher, the German anatomist Henle, in the form that the generation of a similar symptom in animal experiments would be sufficient to prove this hypothesis of disease cause, namely the hypothesis of infectious bacteria. (See Großgebauer: Eine kurze Geschichte der Mikroben). So it does not surprise me that Prof. Alfred Fischer writes in his book " Vorlesungen über Bakterien " ( " [academic] lectures on bacteria " ) from 1897 (!): " as is true for any infectious disease - the fact that it does not only take the addition of the bacteria but also the unknown something of individual predisposition, goes without saying. " Stefan Lanka, Dec 2001 (Translation Juergen Faas, Dec 2001) (minor changes on March 2, 2002) -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 At 22:09 2006-08-31 +0100, you Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: >Addresses many so-called viruses, not just HIV > ><http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm>http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm > >GO TO WEBSITE FOR PHOTOS (or non-photos ) (and Stefan is gorgeous!) > >Dr. Stefan Lanka Exposes The " Viral Fraud " > >Pictures of " Isolated Viruses " Debunked This article (from 2001) is indeed very important. There is also an article by Stefan Lanka, from 01.03.2006, which I have translated into English and put at my homepage, at http://rolf-martens.com/otherspubs/060301_lanka_no_diseasecausing_viruses.html It's headlined " Are there and can there be diseasecausing viruses? " and explains in detail how actual viruses are isolated, photographed, investigated in detail as to their proteins and nucleic acids and thus documented, a process which he points out is so simple that anyone can learn how to carry it out. This corroborates that which he pointed out in the 2001 article. Rolf M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Rolf, Thanks for your reply. I'm going to reply in-line. > > The social system in the world is one of oppression and exploitation > of the vast majority of people by a small minority. Those ruling > persons > more and more fear the resistance to them by people everywhere. They > are engaging in terrorizing people, and to split them up, in many ways. I would agree with this to some extent, although since it has always been this way, I would have to disagree that they " more and more " fear resistance. It's human nature to want power, and, when you have power, to want to retain that power. > The medicine establishment since long - hundreds of years - has been > an important, traditionally obedient, tool for the ruling minority. What medical establishment are you talking about? " Modern " medicine has only been around for about 200 years, and the truly " science-based " for only about 100 -- that is, rejecting homeopathic or herbal remedies such as belladonna and relying on scientific experiments to validate procedures and medicines. Since those in power have always wanted to retain power, wouldn't that extend to all types of medicine? Including medicine men of American Indian tribes, or homeopathic doctors in the past, or Chinese medicine? Those, after all, were the accepted medicine of the power elites of the time, and surely those who disagreed were met with disdain or hostility. > > " HIV " was invented for the purpose of making people suspicious of > each other and not least to infect relations between men and women - > also to infect relations between Africans and others. Well, then, it hasn't worked very well. People still engage in risky behavior and don't think they are going to get AIDS, that it's something that happens to " other people. " That is human nature as well, to not think " it " is going to happen to you, whatever " it " happens to be. Furthermore, if you're going to manufacture a disease to make people suspicious of each other, wouldn't you choose an airborne disease, not one that specifically relies on sexual or blood transmission? I would. The plagues of the past, such as bubonic plague, did more to make people suspicious of each other than AIDS has. > > As to " AIDS " there is nothing that could justifiably be called that. > Those who are said to " suffer from " or " have died from " " AIDS " > have been afflicted with one of many different actual diseases > which have just been renamed " AIDS " and which have nothing in > common, none of which is caused by a virus. See, now, to me, that requires a lot more faith in the unknown than believing in a virus. AIDS is something that has spread only in recent decades and, for the most part, has similar symptoms worldwide. That isn't to say they are set in stone or that every medical person out there is accurate in every way about AIDS. You can think that AIDS is overdiagnosed or that too many symptoms are called AIDS without disbelieving in AIDS. I mean, you could just as easily look back at cholera, for example, and say that all those people died of different things, if you wanted to disbelieve in cholera hard enough. Besides, if you look at homeopathy, isn't it part of the philosophy that the same disease can manifest itself differently in different people, therefore different remedies are needed? I'm assuming you subscribe to homeopathy. I also wonder -- why do you want to believe so much that viruses are harmless? > > In Africa, it's diseases caused by poverty and bad sanitation. > In the USA for instance, there was (or still is) a group of > men practicing homosexuality who would/will often use a drug > called " poppers " . Its use after several years will cause some of > those diseases which in the early 1980s were renamed " AIDS " . But poverty and bad sanitation have been around in Africa a lot longer than AIDS. And what about in Asia? Europe? And it's not just gay people in the U.S. getting AIDS. > > The definition of " AIDS " has been changed several times too, > so as to make it appear that there are more " AIDS cases " , and > the definition is even different in different continent. Well, it makes sense that as knowledge of something grows, its definition will change, too. Plate tectonics used to be called " continental drift " until more was known about it. There's a big difference between somebody changing the definition of something to justify themselves (like a criminal: This is my car. I mean, this is my friend's car, I borrowed it, he knows about it. OK, it's actually my friend's car but he doesn't know I borrowed it but he said I could borrow it at any time... etc.) and somebody changing a definition because they learn more. Also, are the changes in definition BIG things or LITTLE things? Little things can be expected. Big would signify a greater problem perhaps with the whole premise or idea. > > The trick precisely lies in the *naming* of the affliction, on which > all " establishment " persons then agree - the very word " AIDS " > contains the terror. Well, since I am faithful to my sexual partner (husband), and don't use intravenous drugs, I honestly am not in terror of AIDS. Second, if this establishment you mentioned is a small group of power-hungry leaders, they've done a stupendous job of convincing thousands and thousands of scientists around the world to participate in their fraud. Hell, if they've done such a great job, maybe they DO deserve to be in power, because the history of humanity is nothing less than a history of incompetence and infighting. Do you believe in global warming? Thousands of scientists around the world disagree, but our " power elite " in Washington clings to the dissenting few who are suspicious of the whole thing, much as you are suspicious of medicine. That isn't to say that the majority is always right, or that there can't be " group think " that would lead people to overlook problems in their theories to sustain a comfortable worldview, but that isn't the same as a conspiracy. > > In order to realize them, you need to see how very sharply those > ruling the world stand in conflict with practically everybody, and > how fanatically and concertedly they, and those professionally > dependent on and allied to them - most physicians, for instance - > will lie, on certain matters. I agree with you that there is a lot of misinformation about there, and that there are a lot of problems with the medical approach to life. I think doctors, by and large, tend to be pretty arrogant and to want to treat everything with drugs or surgery. They may even subtly want to " keep the rest of us in line " in order to maintain their sense of authority and superiority, but that's again because of human nature and people not wanting to admit they're wrong, and that they have been doing their jobs incompetently. It's a big stretch, in my opinion, to assume that thousands of incompetent, self-interested people could universally agree to be part of a worldwide conspiracy to subjugate us all. > > The " HIV/AIDS " fraud has been exposed publicly since many years > back, yet all the mass media, for instance, are continuing to try > to uphold it. > So the mass media are part of the conspiracy? There sure are lots and lots of people in on this conspiracy. Have you ever run an organization? Do you know how hard it is to get even 3 or 4 people to agree to ANYTHING? Look at the tyrants of the past -- Hitler and Stalin. They had to resort to widescale killing of their enemies to keep the disagreement down. Even still, there were people in their ranks who dissented and gladly would have bumped them off and taken their place. Given that, how do these conspirators get so many to placidly go along with them? Do you personally know anybody in the medical establishment? Somebody you know and like? My brother-in-law is a scientist, and, while I don't necessarily agree with his worldview on everything, he's not a bad guy, he disagrees with some of the stuff out there too, and I'm pretty sure he's not involved in any conspiracy to keep the rest of us down. Conspiracy theories just don't work for me, Rolf, honestly. Partly because I think human beings, as a rule, are too incompetent to pull off a really good conspiracy, and partly because if you believe one conspiracy theory, you could believe them all, since they all share the worldview that somebody out there is in charge and it isn't us and they're out to get us. Then you end up suspicious of everything and everyone and well, basically like what you're describing how this so-called ruling elite wants us to be (divided, suspicious of each other, etc.). Anyway, that's my perspective. I suspect you won't agree, but that's OK. Just wanted to add my .02. Take care, Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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