Re: Fluoride and angry dentist

[Guest guest]

GAG

Literally

He is brainwashed by the ADA which makes money off of fluoride

They can get it in their toothpaste if they want it.

Leave any kind of medication or chemical out of my water.

Go to my fluoride pages and post the MOST technical article you can find

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/fluoride.htm

Good work Sara - How's the baby?

Sheri

At 12:27 AM 12/09/2004 -0000, you wrote:

>

>

>I posted in the community's board about my concern about the forced

>fluoridation of New Jersey's waters:

>--------------------------------------

>Let's be informed about fluoride

>

> in our waters They want to fluoridate our waters in New Jersey. It

>isn't as what we think it is. Let's stop it before its too late.

>http://www.njsafewater.org

>--------------------------------------

>I got this angry response from a dentist:

>---------------------------------------

>It is really a shame that in this day and age someone like you has

>to crawl out of the woodwork with your small mind whose only purpose

>is to do harm in the name of good.

>Fluoride in the water systems of the world has saved countless

>millions of people from loss of teath and the pain and suffering

>that goes along with it. You are not doing any one a favor. I have

>seen the ravages of children who have not had the benifits of

>fluoride in the water and I have seen children who have been lucky

>enough to have fluoride in the water. As a Dentist I could have

>made a fortune by not advocating flouride, but I chose that path of

>helping people and that ment adding or adjusting the fluoride level

>to optimum levels where people could spend their lives with little

>or no tooth decay and be able to enjoy their food pain free.

>This has been proven by all of the health organzations of the world

>to be a safe and proven means of coltrolling a disease.

>We do not need people like you who want to see a return to

>suffering. Science has been able to eradicate many diseases from

>this earth. Why do you want to go back to the dark ages and bring

>them back?

>Concerned

>-----------------------------------------------

>what do you think?

>

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>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Me thinks the good doctor has not brushed up on the latest information... : )

What about the studies that showed fluoride in drinking water does NOT promote

healthy teeth? What about the countries that have banned fluoride from their

drinking water (Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy,

Luxembourg, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway)??

Sounds like this is the first time he's ever heard mention of the possibility of

fluoride being harmful. Where has he been???

http://www.newconnexion.net/article/05-03/jmartin.html

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/fluoride.htm

Kay (I'll bet he thinks vaccines are the greatest things since sliced bread,

too!)

*******************

I posted in the community's board about my concern about the forced

fluoridation of New Jersey's waters:

--------------------------------------

Let's be informed about fluoride

in our waters They want to fluoridate our waters in New Jersey. It

isn't as what we think it is. Let's stop it before its too late.

http://www.njsafewater.org

--------------------------------------

I got this angry response from a dentist:

---------------------------------------

It is really a shame that in this day and age someone like you has

to crawl out of the woodwork with your small mind whose only purpose

is to do harm in the name of good.

Fluoride in the water systems of the world has saved countless

millions of people from loss of teath and the pain and suffering

that goes along with it. You are not doing any one a favor. I have

seen the ravages of children who have not had the benifits of

fluoride in the water and I have seen children who have been lucky

enough to have fluoride in the water. As a Dentist I could have

made a fortune by not advocating flouride, but I chose that path of

helping people and that ment adding or adjusting the fluoride level

to optimum levels where people could spend their lives with little

or no tooth decay and be able to enjoy their food pain free.

This has been proven by all of the health organzations of the world

to be a safe and proven means of coltrolling a disease.

We do not need people like you who want to see a return to

suffering. Science has been able to eradicate many diseases from

this earth. Why do you want to go back to the dark ages and bring

them back?

Concerned

-----------------------------------------------

what do you think?

[Guest guest]

Apparently the doctor can't even SPELL TEETH, he should be kept away from them

at all costs!

Chelly

Owner of:

http://www.diapertesters.com

Fluoride and angry dentist

<SNIP>

Fluoride in the water systems of the world has saved countless

millions of people from loss of teath and the pain and suffering

that goes along with it.

<SNIP>

[Guest guest]

> Apparently the doctor can't even SPELL TEETH, he should be kept

away from them at all costs!

>

>

> <SNIP>

> Fluoride in the water systems of the world has saved countless

> millions of people from loss of teath and the pain and suffering

> that goes along with it.

> <SNIP>

hee hee you are so funny, i missed that mispelling,LOL

I wrote back to this dentist:

--------------------------------

calm down sir. you have to see both sides before you can have

unbiased judgement.

----------------------------

and he answered:

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After 40 years of seeing both sides, I know them. I have seen all

of the false articles that have been written on the subject. Maybe

you should read some of the scientific literature and not the

propaganda that is put out by the anti-fluoridationists. This is

not a communist plot to kill the world. It will not kill off

mankind. It will not eat your water pipes. It will help to improve

your general health be enabling you to eat better. It will improve

your financial position by negating the need for expensive and often

times painful dental work. In the proper amounts, which is

approximately 1 part per million of water, Fluoride is very safe.

These amounts have to be properly adjusted according to temperatures

of the area, but it is very easy to do. I am well versed in all

aspects of the discussion. I don't believe that you are, or you

wouldn't be making this claim that fluoride is unsafe.

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so what shall I tell him?

and thank you sherri for your advice and interest about the baby.

I considered calling my homeopath but thankfully

The baby is getting better. she stopped throwing up, but her eyes

and nose still emit phelgm. this morning she woke up with one eye

open and the other eye was glued shut by the dry phelgm. (I had to

wash it off with soft tissue with warm waters)

otherwise she is fine.

abt my son he coughs less and less. few days I forced him to take

vitamins, same vitamins course my homeopath gave me when he had same

symptoms last 2 tears ago. but now as he gets better he DEMANDS

these vitamins! he stomps his legs on the floor and shrilly screams:

gimme vitamin C! gimmie multivitamin! gimmie achidoplus! (he

perfectly pronounces these fancy words, lol)

his nose is less and less stuffy, and finally he agrees to drink

here and there. he used to refuse to drink at all. the turn around

in his recovery started when I prepared preboiled salt waters, and

put drops of it in his nose, he stopped breating so loudly. he

didn't blow his nose out, he just blowed\sucked in, and I could hear

him swallowing the tons of phelgm inside his nose.

both baby and shalom still behave clingy and whiny, but much better

finally they laugh and play. the baby babbles and smiles, as shalom

laughs and sings. But in today in the first half of the Hanukkah

party he was whiny and clingy and screaming :-( only toward the end

of the party he got his usual happy bright mood.

[Guest guest]

ROTFL!

At 07:58 PM 12/08/2004 -0800, you wrote:

>

>Apparently the doctor can't even SPELL TEETH, he should be kept away from

them at all costs!

>

>Chelly

>Owner of:

>http://www.diapertesters.com

>

> Fluoride and angry dentist

>

>

> <SNIP>

> Fluoride in the water systems of the world has saved countless

> millions of people from loss of teath and the pain and suffering

> that goes along with it.

> <SNIP>

>

>

>

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

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and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

>

> That just about sums up my opinion as well Sara, If the flouride

is

> in the water then we have no control over it, not my idea of free

> choice!! They can do all the recommending they like, but

ultimately

> the decision should be yours and yours alone and not forced on you.

>

> Deb

to which the dentist answered:

s, the dental term for tooth decay is contagious. Through

kissing and using other peoples utensils it can be transmitted from

one person to another. In poor families they don't have the the

choice of doing a lot of things for them selves. Just as we mass

protect the population by the addition of Chlorine, the first cousin

to Fluorine to the water to protect the population from infection,

we protect the population from one of the most contagious of

diseases. It may not be a disease that puts you at risk of death,

but it puts your health at risk. Did you know that the use of

fluoride in adults prevents brittle bones? The cause of most of the

elderly falling down and breaking hips. After that they are rarely

the same. In a community, we must think of the health of the

community. Instead of taking your stance where a few people will

benefit from the added expense of taking fluoride, why don't you

take the stance of, " I don't want it for my family. I will take the

extra expense and buy bottled water and then I don't have to have

the fluoride in my system " ? Doesn't that make more sense. Then the

community can benefit and those that don't want it can refuse it and

use other means. Your way the great majority that do want it have

to be inconvienced by the few who don't want it. We live in a

democracy where the wants of the many supercede the wants of the few.

No one is making you drink water with fluoride in it, but you want

all the people to bend to your wishes and you don't seem to care if

they benefit from it or not. If you don't want the benefits, don't

drink it. It is your right, but don't tell me what I can and can

not do.

[Guest guest]

Except that he talks about 1 part per million of water thinking that

we're only getting that little bit, meanwhile it's everywhere, in

our soda, our coffee and tea, our cooking water, our toothpaste, etc

I would think we're all getting TOO much.

And he talks about the small minority of folks that don't want

fluoride buying bottled water. The small minority is not so small

anymore - autism is 1 in 166, children with autism cannot properly

excrete metals, hence cannot excrete fluoride.

> to which the dentist answered:

> s, the dental term for tooth decay is contagious. Through

> kissing and using other peoples utensils it can be transmitted

from

> one person to another. In poor families they don't have the the

> choice of doing a lot of things for them selves. Just as we mass

> protect the population by the addition of Chlorine, the first

cousin

> to Fluorine to the water to protect the population from infection,

> we protect the population from one of the most contagious of

> diseases. It may not be a disease that puts you at risk of death,

> but it puts your health at risk. Did you know that the use of

> fluoride in adults prevents brittle bones? The cause of most of

the

> elderly falling down and breaking hips. After that they are

rarely

> the same. In a community, we must think of the health of the

> community. Instead of taking your stance where a few people will

> benefit from the added expense of taking fluoride, why don't you

> take the stance of, " I don't want it for my family. I will take

the

> extra expense and buy bottled water and then I don't have to have

> the fluoride in my system " ? Doesn't that make more sense. Then

the

> community can benefit and those that don't want it can refuse it

and

> use other means. Your way the great majority that do want it have

> to be inconvienced by the few who don't want it. We live in a

> democracy where the wants of the many supercede the wants of the

few.

> No one is making you drink water with fluoride in it, but you want

> all the people to bend to your wishes and you don't seem to care

if

> they benefit from it or not. If you don't want the benefits,

don't

> drink it. It is your right, but don't tell me what I can and can

> not do.

[Guest guest]

A fair rebuttal I would have to admit on his part. The chlorine in

the water is the first reason I chose to filter my water in

Australia. Does anyone know if water filters actually filter out

the flouride??

However, his answer still doesn't acknowledge the fact that flouride

is actually dangerous, and somehow I don't think it will matter what

you say, he's not about to change his mind. Good on you for trying

though, and even if he doesn't " get it " maybe some other people on

the list will....

Deb

> >

> > That just about sums up my opinion as well Sara, If the

flouride

> is

> > in the water then we have no control over it, not my idea of

free

> > choice!! They can do all the recommending they like, but

> ultimately

> > the decision should be yours and yours alone and not forced on

you.

> >

> > Deb

>

> to which the dentist answered:

> s, the dental term for tooth decay is contagious. Through

> kissing and using other peoples utensils it can be transmitted

from

> one person to another. In poor families they don't have the the

> choice of doing a lot of things for them selves. Just as we mass

> protect the population by the addition of Chlorine, the first

cousin

> to Fluorine to the water to protect the population from infection,

> we protect the population from one of the most contagious of

> diseases. It may not be a disease that puts you at risk of death,

> but it puts your health at risk. Did you know that the use of

> fluoride in adults prevents brittle bones? The cause of most of

the

> elderly falling down and breaking hips. After that they are

rarely

> the same. In a community, we must think of the health of the

> community. Instead of taking your stance where a few people will

> benefit from the added expense of taking fluoride, why don't you

> take the stance of, " I don't want it for my family. I will take

the

> extra expense and buy bottled water and then I don't have to have

> the fluoride in my system " ? Doesn't that make more sense. Then

the

> community can benefit and those that don't want it can refuse it

and

> use other means. Your way the great majority that do want it have

> to be inconvienced by the few who don't want it. We live in a

> democracy where the wants of the many supercede the wants of the

few.

> No one is making you drink water with fluoride in it, but you want

> all the people to bend to your wishes and you don't seem to care

if

> they benefit from it or not. If you don't want the benefits,

don't

> drink it. It is your right, but don't tell me what I can and can

> not do.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheri

I realise this is OT, but I just had a quick question about the

water filters. If the water is chlorinated from the tap and then

filtered, does this then mean that you don't need to purify it?

Thanks Deb

> >

> >

> >A fair rebuttal I would have to admit on his part. The chlorine

in

> >the water is the first reason I chose to filter my water in

> >Australia.

> No, I don't agree it was a fair rebuttal

> Chlorine gets rid of bad stuff in water because WE ahve polluted

it so much

>

> It does it in the water - doesn't treat something in our body

>

> and then the chlorine is bad for us. The usually, we try to fix

something

> after the fact, instead of preventing it to begin with.

>

> Really separate issues. What he is advocating is similar to what

I said.

> How about antibiotics in the water - that would be more similar.

>

> You ahve to remember he is probably mercury damaged and can't think

> properly and then brainwashed on top of that by the ADA who makes

money off

> of fluoride in the water.

>

> Does anyone know if water filters actually filter out

> >the flouride??

>

>

> Not all do

> You have to have reverse osmosis or similar but reverse osmosis

isn't good

> to filter everything else

> So a combo of solid carbon block and reverse osmosis is needed

> But reverse osmosis also wastes a lot of water -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/water1.htm

> is the filter I have and sell, but no fluoride filtration

> I've been looking at another intersting one.

> http://www.wholly-water.com

>

> Don't know about Australia

>

> >

> >However, his answer still doesn't acknowledge the fact that

flouride

> >is actually dangerous, and somehow I don't think it will matter

what

> >you say, he's not about to change his mind. Good on you for

trying

> >though, and even if he doesn't " get it " maybe some other people

on

> >the list will....

>

> No, he won't. On these lists you are talking to the 'others' -

never the

> person you think you are.

> Remember that.

> Sheri

> >

> >Deb

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@t... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

> OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS

ALONE.

>

> ******

> " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside

down.

> Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities

destroy

> knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy

information

> and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Hi!

I'm sorry if these comments are repetative, I see that there are a

gazillion responses to this and I'm afraid I haven't read them all.

I was APPALLED at this lame-brained dentists comments though. Has

he heard of the disease called flourosis? Caused by FLOURIDE?

Certinaly clorox would whiten and clean teeth, would he brush his

teeth with that?

How about telling the kids NOT TO EAT JUNK. That might reduce

cavities no? Oh, no, it's a much better idea to poison them.

Ooooh it just makes me so angry! I just told my husband and he's

busy already looking calling up all sorts of articles about the

toxicity of flouride!

Okay, I vented! :0)

Laurette

>

> I posted in the community's board about my concern about the

forced

> fluoridation of New Jersey's waters:

> --------------------------------------

> Let's be informed about fluoride

>

> in our waters They want to fluoridate our waters in New Jersey.

It

> isn't as what we think it is. Let's stop it before its too late.

> http://www.njsafewater.org

> --------------------------------------

> I got this angry response from a dentist:

> ---------------------------------------

> It is really a shame that in this day and age someone like you has

> to crawl out of the woodwork with your small mind whose only

purpose

> is to do harm in the name of good.

> Fluoride in the water systems of the world has saved countless

> millions of people from loss of teath and the pain and suffering

> that goes along with it. You are not doing any one a favor. I

have

> seen the ravages of children who have not had the benifits of

> fluoride in the water and I have seen children who have been lucky

> enough to have fluoride in the water. As a Dentist I could have

> made a fortune by not advocating flouride, but I chose that path

of

> helping people and that ment adding or adjusting the fluoride

level

> to optimum levels where people could spend their lives with little

> or no tooth decay and be able to enjoy their food pain free.

> This has been proven by all of the health organzations of the

world

> to be a safe and proven means of coltrolling a disease.

> We do not need people like you who want to see a return to

> suffering. Science has been able to eradicate many diseases from

> this earth. Why do you want to go back to the dark ages and bring

> them back?

> Concerned

> -----------------------------------------------

> what do you think?