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Yes Deb, that was all very strange and I never did figure it out.

His fevers would generally start on a Friday evening, and go on into Saturday

and sometimes Sunday, by Monday morning he was ALWAYS fine. (his fevers would

go as high as 105, we treated him with Belladonna)

We had mold in our apartment at that time, but the timeline of the fevers

suggested it was something that happened at the day care on a Friday..... but

not EVERY friday, it was very strange. Being new parents we were kinda timid,

and I thought my son crying every single morning I left him there was normal -

and he was there for well over a year. When he moved to another day care, all

of a sudden he didn't cry every morning, and that was a NEW DAYCARE - very

strange....... I wish I knew what it was.

Chelly

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http://www.diapertesters.com

New one here...

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> I'm (23) I'm due with my " first " (I've had one m/c) on June

> 10th--and I'm researching my health options for my baby...for

sure I

> want to delay vaccinations...but now I'm considering no vax.

> altogether. I look forward to getting to know you--and taking

any

> words of wisdom or anything you guys have to offer!

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My first question to any daycare director would be - what type of pesticides

(in what form- bait or spray) are used and where and how often are they

applied?

Where I used to work, they sprayed all the baseboards in the entire building

with an insecticide once a month on a Friday afternoon.

New one here...

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> > Hi,

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> > I'm (23) I'm due with my " first " (I've had one m/c) on June

> > 10th--and I'm researching my health options for my baby...for

> sure I

> > want to delay vaccinations...but now I'm considering no vax.

> > altogether. I look forward to getting to know you--and taking

> any

> > words of wisdom or anything you guys have to offer!

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I think those things are BAD because they administer them when they are not

needed.......

Check to see what they're for and decide from that point on. I declined both

the eye goop (to prevent infection from a mother who has a STD) and the Vit K

(blood clotting - very seldom needed)

Chelly

Owner of:

http://www.diapertesters.com

Re: New one here...

I live in West Des Moines, Iowa, USA. I'm due June 10th, 2005...but I

think I'm a bit further along than that (by two weeks maybe)...because

I got pregnant so closely to when I miscarried. I'm in the process of

finding a gp/peditrician for the baby (I really don't have a

doctor)...we're a bit new to the area. What are people's thoughts on

vit. K? Do you think it's bad even if it's orally administered? What

do you think of the eye ointment? I look forward to getting to know

all of you and sharing info with you--thanks for letting me join!

> welcome.

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<<I'm due June 10th, 2005>>

I have 2 June babies, one at the beginning of the month and one at the

end. :-) My youngest is also completely unvaxxed, forgot to mention

that earlier. ;-)

<<What are people's thoughts on vit. K? Do you think it's bad even if

it's orally administered?>>

I tried as hard as I could to avoid that with Shayna, but they demanded

it, unless I had a letter from a dr which I did not. :-/ If you can

get a letter, I would. They have an oral version? Haven't heard of it.

<<What do you think of the eye ointment?>>

I would avoid that one if you can too. :-(

Best bet is to have your baby at home! :-)

Ohio

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Mom to Brittany, born 8/31/93, dx'd-IDDM 5/28/01; , born 6/28/97;

and Shayna, born 6/1/00.

Vaccine free since 1999! See our site at http://www.loonatics-fringe.com

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Cath,

I was just plain bolshie! Refused all scans and screening in pregnancy.

Went for low-risk, midwife led unit - no Entenox in sight! Better - no

doctors!

>The vit k, maybe you have the option of drops or injection? worth

> checking. Here its the injection but drops can be ordered if you're

> lucky. its also damned hard to refuse though theres even a refusal

> form in your pg notes, and even having a baby at home, it was hard

> to refuse, lots of banging my head against a wall, and when tired

> with a new baby totally inconvenient and unecessary.

I had a horrible m/w who waited til my dh had gone on 3rd day pp, then she

pounced on me. Curtained me off from other mums on ward and gave me the

third degree. I got very angry with her, and b.p. rose astronomically. She

told me I was being irresponsible, and if that the leukaemia studies were

rubbish. I asked why she wouldn't offer oral drops (not that I was going to

have them anyway!) and she said they were pretty much pointless because

newborns often vomit feeds and then you wouldn't know if they'd ingested the

drops. I'm afraid I told her where to get off...:o) Didn't enjoy it much

at the time, but in retrospect...;o)

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> Certainly you can up vit k foods and if bfg it will go through. You

> could also take a pg vitamin containing vit k. Baby formula also

> contains extra vit k. Theres debate over what is a safe level of vit

> k and what is necessary-babies have lower levels but thats not

> necessarily a bad/thing to worry about, it's natural. Vit k is

> really a main issue only for traumatic/intervention births, blood

> issues. You can also have it later on. Theres a bmj article not

> ruling out links to leukemia. So we avoided it (finally!) - mws

> completely jaw dropped, couldn't beleive it - looked at me like i

> had signed a death warrant. An issue with oral was it contains

> animal ingredients -i disagree and worry about that. One mw

> eventually was supportive but didnt really care anyway as legally

> its up to me.

The daft thing is that by the time they've given you all the hassle about

it, and the arguments have gone back and forth the *window of risk* time is

passed. And the whole damned issue is nugatory...

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> Would check out before hand what you can do, what you need to sign

> etc in the U.S...like here i think if you're not looking they'll

> probably do what they like. I think we have less legal come back

> here though, it's seen as a regretable mistake, tough luck, kind of

> thing.

It certainly has been up until recently. But we are following the US in

terms of becoming more litigious and trusts now get sued a lot more often.

Even those HVs who accidentally give MMR when it's been rejected stand to

get prosecuted more readily...

What it boils down to is that you have to know your rights and stick to

them. Most HPs haven't a clue.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" As well consult a butcher on the value of vegetarianism as a doctor on the

worth of vaccination. " - Bernard Shaw

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Unfortunately the response I hear most in answering that question is " Vaccines

aren't 100% effective all the time. There is a small percentage of failure

rate. " So that's how they get around the " don't expose our vaccinated children

to your unvaccinated children. " The KNOW vaccines aren't effective, but claim

it's only for a small percentage. Yeah right...

Kay

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Oh, and I love the line, " if you don't vax we won't take you, because

you'll be putting others in our practice at risk, " my response, " HA!!

If they're vaxed, they shouldn't have anything to worry about,

right???? Or are you saying that vax. doesn't work, and that you

agree with me?? "

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