WOW! Some OT(Caution! Profanity ahead) and WLS rant

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>Well, I've fallen off the wagon,

Already?

> I was told last Friday morning that the kids had messed up the bike and I haven't been back on it since. Hubby actually accused *me* of breaking it and not saying anything... I could smack him!!

Who told you, and how is it "messed up"? Could it be the tension is set

too high or the seat too low or what? Is it something easily fixed? Or

is this a bike you got through Freecycle and was probably broken (but

not so obvious) when you got it?

> I still need to get my other shoes in the laundry since the raw sewage splattered on them.

Uh, a, I know you're not made of money, but after soaking in shit

for over a week you might as well just toss those babies in the dump.

They're never going to come clean now, especially if they haven't been

soaking in some kind of soapy solution all this time.

Now for the OT WLS rant

>I already know that Sue is gonna smack me for even mentioning this....

a, if you wanna commit a long and lingering suicide nobody can stop

you. Oh, and put your family in debt, because I'm sure your insurance

company isn't going to cover the initial surgery or all the follow-up

surgeries you're probably going to need because of your previous

medical history and lack of commitment to any healthy food or exercise

plan *now*.

Just be sure to visit this web site and join SueW's group on that

page:

http://gastricbypass.netfirms.com/

>I can do it on my own, but it is sooooo tempting!

What's "tempting"? The picture of WLS that public relations &

advertising firms show on TV commercials? The same firms that also tell

you that this miracle pill or that miracle treatment (including all

those weight loss drugs that have already maimed and killed and have

been taken off the market) will work" when everything else has failed?"

Or is the thought of major abdominal surgery, a long recovery time,

permanent debt, a future life of eating only an ounce of food at a time

and if not, vomiting it up, chronic diarrhea, tons of expensive vitamin

pills and other nutritional supplements for the rest of your life, and

still no guarantee the weight will stay off, because there's a large

percentage of people who have "eaten around the surgery" and had their

stomachs stretch back to previous size. Which of these scenarios is the

"tempting" one?

> and knowing I'm gonna be b*tch slapped by Sue I guess I should head out..

Damn straight I am! I know too many people, including relatives, who

have had this surgery (both types) and have been permanently disabled

and even died, some without getting out of the hospital after the

surgery, others lingered from complications as long as 20 years. Even

those who had it and are considered "successful" still have

complications, like vomiting if they eat too much, kidney failure, the

diarrhea, a grey cast to their skin, loss of hair and fingernails &

brittle bones from chronic malnutrition, but they're the ones who say

they're still happy because now they're thin. Is that any way to live?

It's up to you.

Sue in NJ

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Sue: I know you can get right back on the wagon. As for WLS, I've

known people who had it with great success and those with nightmare

experiences.

Faye

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>Well, I've fallen off the wagon,

>Already?

Yep.. pretty sad isn't it?

>Who told you, and how is it " messed up " ?

Hubby... He went to get on it Friday Morning, since he didn't have

time for the treadmill like normaly. All I could hear was his ummm

complaining and blaming *me* for doing it.. no way the kids could

have done it.. UGH! Some days I could just smack him. I get so

tired of being blamed for stuff I didn't do... oh I'm home all day so

I had to have done it.

>Could it be the tension is set too high or the seat too low or what?

>Is it something easily fixed?

I don't know what the problem was (yes *was*) with it I didn't even

bother to look. Just in a depressed funk after that and kind of

figured what's the use?!? Anyhow... hubby took a look at it, oiled

the chain and I dunno what else and is satisfied with the way it is

working.

>Or is this a bike you got through Freecycle and was probably broken >

>(but not so obvious) when you got it?

Nope.. we've had it for at least 9yrs. We paid $200 for it used it's

a Schwinn Airdyne. They are expensive little buggers!

>Uh, a, I know you're not made of money, but after soaking in

>shit for over a week you might as well just toss those babies in the

>dump. They're never going to come clean now, especially if they

>haven't been soaking in some kind of soapy solution all this time.

Actually I don't even recall them getting hit with anything.. but I

know the bottoms of them got wet.. ya know the rubber part from just

standing in the stuff. I'm sure they probablly got some splashes on

them, but I never did see it and my feet didn't get wet... LOL

SOooooo I wore them to clean up with the bleach, but I still want to

give them a good washing or 2 in soap and bleach water. I should do

that today since I have most of the laundry caught up. I can't

afford to go out right now to get another pair.. they are around $100

I think... can't remember because it was about 18 months ago that we

bought them.

I think that is part of my problem right now with trying to stick to

a healthy way of eating. We went shopping I think on 12/31 and

stocked up on stuff that we were getting low on plus stuff for a 2

week menu. I was planning on going again in 2 weeks... well, we

couldn't afford it so I have been going thru the freezer and pantry

trying to figure out meals. I still have until next Wednesday to get

thru. Mind you we do have food, but not the healthies, We just

finished off the fresh fruit today and I only have a couple of cans

of it. I have pleanty of venison and chicken, turkey breasts and

whole turkeys. I also have a couple of pork loins in the freezer as

well. I like to slice them and grill them as pork chops, but too

cold to grill at the moment. I have a bit of pasta and some frozen

and canned veggies, but you can only have green beans so many nights

a week and the broccoli well... I hear complaints from the peanut

gallery if it doesn't have cheese on it.. mind you I like my balsamic

vinigar on it... but as far as veggies that is about all the fammily

eats... for some reason I avoid corn (guess because it's a starch)

and Beets well, again I get complaints on those too. Fresh Veggies

are very limited now too... I ran out of Tomatoes a few days ago and

so on...... so like I said, hard for me to get enthused

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Now for the OT WLS rant

>Oh, and put your family in debt, because I'm sure your insurance

>company isn't going to cover the initial surgery or all the follow-

>up surgeries you're probably going to need because of your previous

>medical history and lack of commitment to any healthy food or

>exercise plan *now*.

Actually I do have insurance that will pay for the most popular WLS,

but I'm not convinced that it is the *best* surgery. Hell I'm not

convinced that any of them are. That is why I didn't have the

surgery 2 years ago when I had appointments set up to see a couple of

surgeons.

>>I can do it on my own, but it is sooooo tempting!

>What's " tempting " ?

The thought that I could actually be thin....... or should I say

thinner.. I know that I will never EVER be a size 10, but by god I

would love to know what it feels like to be a size 14 or 16. I can't

remember ever being below a 20/22. You have no idea what it is like

to go to highschool weighing over 300lbs, granted that was many years

ago, but I have only gone up in size since then. I still get the

looks, and stares.. I still hear people talking... granted I haven't

heard much lately, which amazes me, but I am sure that eventually the

kids will start being teased because of my size.. I mean as president

of the PTA I can't avoid the school. Not that I would become a

social hermit but still one day I'm sure I will hear it if I don't do

something about my weight.

>Or is the thought of major abdominal surgery,

Actually the one I'm looking at now is a Lap procedure. Heck I was

already gutted like a fish 15 years ago I had an incision that was at

least 12 " long, I " m guessing longer I would have to gather the tape

measure and measure it. I know that major abdominal surgery isnt'

any fun, granted I was 19 and healed much quicker then I would now,

but I know that I can get thru the healing process.

>permanent debt,

again, I would only do a procedure that the insurance company would

cover... so no debt there.

>a future life of eating only an ounce of food at a time and if not,

>vomiting it up, chronic diarrhea,

Again that is why I researched each surgery 2 years ago and

determined the side effects that I was *willing* to live with to be

thinner.

>tons of expensive vitamin pills and other nutritional supplements

>for the rest of your life,

Gotta be cheaper then the tonse of medication I am already taking.

>and still no guarantee the weight will stay off, because there's a

>large percentage of people who have " eaten around the surgery " and

>had their stomachs stretch back to previous size.

Again, no new info here for me... that is why I had originally

choosen the surgery that I had, it had a higher long term weight loss

success rate and had side effects that I was willing to live with to

be thinner...

>Damn straight I am!

I knew you would! LOL

> Even those who had it and are considered " successful " still have

>complications, like vomiting if they eat too much, kidney failure,

>the diarrhea, a grey cast to their skin, loss of hair and

>fingernails & brittle bones from chronic malnutrition, but they're

>the ones who say they're still happy because now they're thin. Is

>that any way to live? It's up to you.

Geee Sue, you paint such a pretty picture I know there are

complications... and I've acutally seen and spoken with people who

have had the surgery and have had complications. I know they are out

there. I know it isn't always a pretty picture and I know people die

from it but every now and then I guess I get it in my head that it

has to be better then living the way I am. At the moment I am back

off the surgery for now (who knowes maybe it will change agian

tomorrow).

a