Re: Any Houston area residents wanting MMR seperate?

[Guest guest]

At 06:52 AM 09/23/2004 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi,

>

> I do not want to make anyone angry in trying to get the MMR

>seperate. I am 50-50 on whether or not to vaccinate. My very

>preemie twins had some in the NICU and some their first year home.

>However, I have refused the MMR and Chickenpox. They are 28 months

>old now and I know they will have to get it when going to school. I

>spoke with Merck directly and they said that the MMR is available

>seperately but only in 10 packs for each component. My doctor and

>also the ONE FANNIN PHARMACY have told me that they would order it if

>I could find 6-8 other people in addition to my 2 I need. Please let

>me know if you are interested. **Please note that this is serious and

>if you want to order the shots have to be paid for, no backing

>out**. If one person backs out, it affects all those who want it. I

>have no idea how much it costs but insurance probably won't cover

>it. I also asked Merck why they didn't produce a single pack of each

>component and they didn't know. I told them I can't believe they

>would rather produce a 10 pack of each M, M, and R then to do it in

>singles for each child so more people might vaccinate.

>

>Thanks for listening,

>Sheryl

>

>P.S. I will keep a folder of everyone interested and get updates to

>you if there are enough people. Please feel free to email me

>privately.

Sounds like you need more information, not single vaccines.

Why do you think singles are safe? What are you afraid of with these

diseases?

I encourage to research the reality of those diseases

Is a girl child at risk for problems from mumps?

For that matter is a boy - rarely does it affect the testicles and even

MORE rarely, both testicles, and even MORE rarely sterility (in teens or

adults)

Is an infant girl at risk for problems with rubella? No...........it is a

mild disease - if you want to worry about it for when she get's pregnant,

you have a long time

Is a child at risk with measles - please read the reality. Everyone got

the measles, including myself, all my family, all my cousins, all my school

mates and all my ancestors. All were just fine.

So is there a need for MMR at all or any of the separate ones?

Does it actually work or just sensitize, leaving more problems in its wake.

Those parents of autistic children who saw the problems come right after

the vaccine, would take the chance (and there really isn't much chance of

damage) on measles any time at this point. We have traded an acute,

relatively harmless in most well-nourished children, disease for a plethora

of chronic illness. Not a good trade in my opinion.

I suggest that if your child gets measles and there are concerns that a

homeopath is able to work very nicely , in most cases with the child, and

help then through any rough spots,. Homeopathy is very individual and

depends on the particular symptoms that are unique to your child - that is

what determines the remedy

For more info on how a homeopath works see

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

>

Weigh all the factors

And remember all the effects of MMR and other vaccines are not always known

immediately. And certainly some children are more susceptible to problems

than others. The problem is how to know if this child is or isn't.

Russian roulette

I have seen children & adults damaged, with autism or death, from each of

the single vaccines that are out there; live vaccines or killed vaccnies.

All vaccines are dangerous. There is NO evidence that they work as they

say they do - provide immunity as the disease would.

There is so much more to this than MMR........that is the tip of the

iceberg. There are concerns that all the mercury laden vaccines that are

given before the MMR lay the groundwork of damage and some develop autism,

damage or death from any of those alone and others it takes the MMR to put

them over the age (and this could be any vaccine). Certaily combining 3

live vaccines is very stupid - vets see this with animals all the time and

animal vaccine researchers know this to be true, too.

But that does not mean singles are safe.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

>>They are 28 months old now and I know they will have to get it when going

to school.<<

Ok here is how Texas works... You write a letter to the TDH stating that you

would like to request 5 " Exemption from Immunizations for Reasons of

Conscience Affidavit Forms " with you childs name and date of birth. You can

use one letter for all of your children. Why 5? That is the max you can

request at one time for a certain child. Anywho, you send that letter in

and they send you the forms with in a couple of weeks. You notarize the

forms and they are good for 2 years.

Do not listen to anyone who says your kids have to have the vaxes to get

into school because that is a bold face lie. You just hand over the form

and they can't do diddly. If they try report them to the appropiate

agencies or better yet call your local media.

Also it sounds like the trouble you have to go to to get the singles in the

first place is a bit idiotic. It seems so stupid that YOU have to round up

enough people to get them to order it. Plus the singles contain alot of the

same stuff that is harmful to you in the single MMR shot.

I am also shocked that they vaccinated your kids while they were in the NICU

That is very scary. I bet they told you to get the RSV shot too? UGH!!

I reccomend also subscribing to PROVE. It is run by Dawn and you

get sent emails that regard Texas vaccine policies. www.vaccineinfo.net

I want to let you know that I am in no way ridiculing you or getting mad at

you. Who I am getting terribly irritated with is the drug company cronies

and their docs telling us that this shot or this drug will help but it doesn

t.

I hope all is well and goes well. IF you want me to send you the exact

letter I sent to the TDH (it is a direct copy off of thier website so it is

worded exactly how it legally should be) to get my forms, Let me know and I

can send it to you. All you would have to do is edit it to contain your

info. Oh and as a fair warning, they put the standard gov't lit in with

the forms about vaccines are good this and the benifits outweigh the risks

etc. etc.

Rena

[Guest guest]

Sherri,

Hi,thanks for the information. Unfortunately, I had a different

situation in the begining as my twins were born very sick and very

early. They wanted to give them shots when they were born.

However, I was able to hold out until they were 3 months old. I

didn't even know if my kids would live and they were getting blood

transfusions and lots of other things. So, they did get there first

2 rounds of shots and after a year I gave in to letting them have

another round. To make things worse, they had to have the RSV shot

b/c of their prematurity and bad lungs. They were on oxygen and if

they would have got sick it could have killed them. Thus, I was

doing what I felt was best for them. They are behind on their shots

and I will not let them get a 4th round. I mean, I went in asking

about Thimerosal free shots and they told me yes, but I can't

guarantee it. I managed to say no to the 2nd year of shots or RSV

b/c I felt I was overprotecting my kids and no one was going to be

around them or they weren't going outside. They managed to stay

very healthy all last year and this year! It is so scary, I mean I

have so much invested in my kids and they have preemie issues that

take away most of any free time. I just don't want it to come back

and haunt me that my kids died from a disease that could have been

prevented. I am still not sure but I know that my friend who has an

older autistic son said that the MMR is Thimerosal free but it is

just getting all 3 at one time. That is why I wanted them seperated

by at least 6 months apart. I am not 100% sure they will get them

but it is worth looking into. My son currently doesn't talk and he

is 27 months. Don't think that every day of my waking life I don't

think that he might be autistic. However, I don't want him to die

either. Yes, I know that measles, mumps and rubella aren't horrible

but I guess if not treated quick enough than it can kill them. By

the way, I use homeopathy on my daughter for her reflux so I believe

in that too. ***I would want to know that a homeopathic cure would

100% save my child if he contacted it.*** Sterility is a bad thing

especially when it is your only son who can carry on your name. I

don't think it is as easy as you think to get the exemptions from

vaccines. The religious exemption is pretty hard to prove and the

medical exemption is too. Why would a doctor give me a medical

exemption for?

Sheryl

P.S. I had said I didn't write this to make anyone angry. I didn't

realize it was going to spark a fuse.

> >Hi,

> >

> > I do not want to make anyone angry in trying to get the MMR

> >seperate. I am 50-50 on whether or not to vaccinate. My very

> >preemie twins had some in the NICU and some their first year

home.

> >However, I have refused the MMR and Chickenpox. They are 28

months

> >old now and I know they will have to get it when going to

school. I

> >spoke with Merck directly and they said that the MMR is available

> >seperately but only in 10 packs for each component. My doctor

and

> >also the ONE FANNIN PHARMACY have told me that they would order

it if

> >I could find 6-8 other people in addition to my 2 I need. Please

let

> >me know if you are interested. **Please note that this is serious

and

> >if you want to order the shots have to be paid for, no backing

> >out**. If one person backs out, it affects all those who want

it. I

> >have no idea how much it costs but insurance probably won't cover

> >it. I also asked Merck why they didn't produce a single pack of

each

> >component and they didn't know. I told them I can't believe they

> >would rather produce a 10 pack of each M, M, and R then to do it

in

> >singles for each child so more people might vaccinate.

> >

> >Thanks for listening,

> >Sheryl

> >

> >P.S. I will keep a folder of everyone interested and get updates

to

> >you if there are enough people. Please feel free to email me

> >privately.

>

> Sounds like you need more information, not single vaccines.

> Why do you think singles are safe? What are you afraid of with

these

> diseases?

>

> I encourage to research the reality of those diseases

> Is a girl child at risk for problems from mumps?

> For that matter is a boy - rarely does it affect the testicles and

even

> MORE rarely, both testicles, and even MORE rarely sterility (in

teens or

> adults)

> Is an infant girl at risk for problems with rubella?

No...........it is a

> mild disease - if you want to worry about it for when she get's

pregnant,

> you have a long time

> Is a child at risk with measles - please read the reality.

Everyone got

> the measles, including myself, all my family, all my cousins, all

my school

> mates and all my ancestors. All were just fine.

>

> So is there a need for MMR at all or any of the separate ones?

> Does it actually work or just sensitize, leaving more problems in

its wake.

> Those parents of autistic children who saw the problems come right

after

> the vaccine, would take the chance (and there really isn't much

chance of

> damage) on measles any time at this point. We have traded an

acute,

> relatively harmless in most well-nourished children, disease for a

plethora

> of chronic illness. Not a good trade in my opinion.

>

> I suggest that if your child gets measles and there are concerns

that a

> homeopath is able to work very nicely , in most cases with the

child, and

> help then through any rough spots,. Homeopathy is very individual

and

> depends on the particular symptoms that are unique to your child -

that is

> what determines the remedy

>

> For more info on how a homeopath works see

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> >

>

> Weigh all the factors

> And remember all the effects of MMR and other vaccines are not

always known

> immediately. And certainly some children are more susceptible to

problems

> than others. The problem is how to know if this child is or isn't.

> Russian roulette

>

> I have seen children & adults damaged, with autism or death, from

each of

> the single vaccines that are out there; live vaccines or killed

vaccnies.

> All vaccines are dangerous. There is NO evidence that they work

as they

> say they do - provide immunity as the disease would.

>

> There is so much more to this than MMR........that is the tip of

the

> iceberg. There are concerns that all the mercury laden vaccines

that are

> given before the MMR lay the groundwork of damage and some develop

autism,

> damage or death from any of those alone and others it takes the

MMR to put

> them over the age (and this could be any vaccine). Certaily

combining 3

> live vaccines is very stupid - vets see this with animals all the

time and

> animal vaccine researchers know this to be true, too.

>

> But that does not mean singles are safe.

> Sheri

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> vaccineinfo@t... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

> OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS

ALONE.

>

> ******

> " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside

down.

> Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities

destroy

> knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy

information

> and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

After watching my son seize after his vaccinations there isn't enough money

in the world to ever persuade me to vaccinate him again. Measles, mumps,

rubella on the same day would be a walk in the park compared to what I went

through.

Vaccines don't work they never have. Doctors have no clue how the immune

system works. Keep researching. The idea is to stay away from these diseases not

inject them in.

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

Vaccine Information or vaccinetruth.org

[Guest guest]

are you one the right list?

I had no trouble proving the religious exemption.

How would you feel ifyour child died from a shot? I honestly don't think

it's any rarer than dying from a disease these days. Sterility happens

rarely, but it's not death, autism, autoimmune disorders ..... I would think

a healthy child is much more important than propgating the next generation

of 's ...

YOu want to know that a homepathic cure woudl 100% save your child's life?

And you think a vaccine is going to whe most have little more than 70%

efficiacy rate (if you believe that they work at all?). With all the

chemicals in vaccines (not just thimerosol .... aluminum, formaldehyde and

my personal scary favorite -- Ethylene Glycol + antifreeze), I'll take my

chances with other ways to treat. I've been pretty successful with vitamin

c and letting my kids' bodies fight what they get. 3 of the 5 of us in this

house had whooping cough this past spring. My youngest was actually the one

who faired the best. He was 13 months old. He is unvaccinated. We got it

from my fully vaccinated 14 year old. It was a pain, but nothing like what

the cdc/pharma makes you believe. I imagine it is much worse on a smaller

child. Sorry, if I had preemies, I'd worry less about vaccines and stay

home with them longer. No need to expose them to most of the crap out there

too early.

I've claimed religious exemptions in 2 states. Tennessee was the first. My

letter was one sentence long. " Due to my religious beliefs, my son XXX is

exempt from immunizations. " My letter in IL was a little more complicated,

but no less difficult to obtain the exemption.

Why would a doctor give a medical exemption? I still think you're on the

wrong list. I don't know, maybe because if my grand nephew so much at

touches an egg even in the shell, he has aniphylactic reactions. (they

should be giving him an exemption for this, but my niece is an idiot .... we

won't go there)

You are letting fear get the best of you. My niece as born premature last

year ... she will not be receiving RSV shots. Fearmongering by

pharmaceuticals is prevalent daily. I worked in a pediatric office during 3

RSV seasons.... We had a handful of hospitalizations (my middle son being

one of them at 18 months old), and no one died from it. When the shots came

out, all I could do was roll my eyes.

OHHHHH and not to mention, if you are in houston, texas .... all you have to

do in Texas now is say ... NO THANKS. Not religious, Not Medical, Just

philosophical, no thanks .... nothing tough about that.

Good Luck.

in IL

Re: Any Houston area residents wanting MMR seperate?

> Sherri,

>

> Hi,thanks for the information. Unfortunately, I had a different

> situation in the begining as my twins were born very sick and very

> early. They wanted to give them shots when they were born.

> However, I was able to hold out until they were 3 months old. I

> didn't even know if my kids would live and they were getting blood

> transfusions and lots of other things. So, they did get there first

> 2 rounds of shots and after a year I gave in to letting them have

> another round. To make things worse, they had to have the RSV shot

> b/c of their prematurity and bad lungs. They were on oxygen and if

> they would have got sick it could have killed them. Thus, I was

> doing what I felt was best for them. They are behind on their shots

> and I will not let them get a 4th round. I mean, I went in asking

> about Thimerosal free shots and they told me yes, but I can't

> guarantee it. I managed to say no to the 2nd year of shots or RSV

> b/c I felt I was overprotecting my kids and no one was going to be

> around them or they weren't going outside. They managed to stay

> very healthy all last year and this year! It is so scary, I mean I

> have so much invested in my kids and they have preemie issues that

> take away most of any free time. I just don't want it to come back

> and haunt me that my kids died from a disease that could have been

> prevented. I am still not sure but I know that my friend who has an

> older autistic son said that the MMR is Thimerosal free but it is

> just getting all 3 at one time. That is why I wanted them seperated

> by at least 6 months apart. I am not 100% sure they will get them

> but it is worth looking into. My son currently doesn't talk and he

> is 27 months. Don't think that every day of my waking life I don't

> think that he might be autistic. However, I don't want him to die

> either. Yes, I know that measles, mumps and rubella aren't horrible

> but I guess if not treated quick enough than it can kill them. By

> the way, I use homeopathy on my daughter for her reflux so I believe

> in that too. ***I would want to know that a homeopathic cure would

> 100% save my child if he contacted it.*** Sterility is a bad thing

> especially when it is your only son who can carry on your name. I

> don't think it is as easy as you think to get the exemptions from

> vaccines. The religious exemption is pretty hard to prove and the

> medical exemption is too. Why would a doctor give me a medical

> exemption for?

>

> Sheryl

>

> P.S. I had said I didn't write this to make anyone angry. I didn't

> realize it was going to spark a fuse.

>

>

>

> > >Hi,

> > >

> > > I do not want to make anyone angry in trying to get the MMR

> > >seperate. I am 50-50 on whether or not to vaccinate. My very

> > >preemie twins had some in the NICU and some their first year

> home.

> > >However, I have refused the MMR and Chickenpox. They are 28

> months

> > >old now and I know they will have to get it when going to

> school. I

> > >spoke with Merck directly and they said that the MMR is available

> > >seperately but only in 10 packs for each component. My doctor

> and

> > >also the ONE FANNIN PHARMACY have told me that they would order

> it if

> > >I could find 6-8 other people in addition to my 2 I need. Please

> let

> > >me know if you are interested. **Please note that this is serious

> and

> > >if you want to order the shots have to be paid for, no backing

> > >out**. If one person backs out, it affects all those who want

> it. I

> > >have no idea how much it costs but insurance probably won't cover

> > >it. I also asked Merck why they didn't produce a single pack of

> each

> > >component and they didn't know. I told them I can't believe they

> > >would rather produce a 10 pack of each M, M, and R then to do it

> in

> > >singles for each child so more people might vaccinate.

> > >

> > >Thanks for listening,

> > >Sheryl

> > >

> > >P.S. I will keep a folder of everyone interested and get updates

> to

> > >you if there are enough people. Please feel free to email me

> > >privately.

> >

> > Sounds like you need more information, not single vaccines.

> > Why do you think singles are safe? What are you afraid of with

> these

> > diseases?

> >

> > I encourage to research the reality of those diseases

> > Is a girl child at risk for problems from mumps?

> > For that matter is a boy - rarely does it affect the testicles and

> even

> > MORE rarely, both testicles, and even MORE rarely sterility (in

> teens or

> > adults)

> > Is an infant girl at risk for problems with rubella?

> No...........it is a

> > mild disease - if you want to worry about it for when she get's

> pregnant,

> > you have a long time

> > Is a child at risk with measles - please read the reality.

> Everyone got

> > the measles, including myself, all my family, all my cousins, all

> my school

> > mates and all my ancestors. All were just fine.

> >

> > So is there a need for MMR at all or any of the separate ones?

> > Does it actually work or just sensitize, leaving more problems in

> its wake.

> > Those parents of autistic children who saw the problems come right

> after

> > the vaccine, would take the chance (and there really isn't much

> chance of

> > damage) on measles any time at this point. We have traded an

> acute,

> > relatively harmless in most well-nourished children, disease for a

> plethora

> > of chronic illness. Not a good trade in my opinion.

> >

> > I suggest that if your child gets measles and there are concerns

> that a

> > homeopath is able to work very nicely , in most cases with the

> child, and

> > help then through any rough spots,. Homeopathy is very individual

> and

> > depends on the particular symptoms that are unique to your child -

> that is

> > what determines the remedy

> >

> > For more info on how a homeopath works see

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> > >

> >

> > Weigh all the factors

> > And remember all the effects of MMR and other vaccines are not

> always known

> > immediately. And certainly some children are more susceptible to

> problems

> > than others. The problem is how to know if this child is or isn't.

> > Russian roulette

> >

> > I have seen children & adults damaged, with autism or death, from

> each of

> > the single vaccines that are out there; live vaccines or killed

> vaccnies.

> > All vaccines are dangerous. There is NO evidence that they work

> as they

> > say they do - provide immunity as the disease would.

> >

> > There is so much more to this than MMR........that is the tip of

> the

> > iceberg. There are concerns that all the mercury laden vaccines

> that are

> > given before the MMR lay the groundwork of damage and some develop

> autism,

> > damage or death from any of those alone and others it takes the

> MMR to put

> > them over the age (and this could be any vaccine). Certaily

> combining 3

> > live vaccines is very stupid - vets see this with animals all the

> time and

> > animal vaccine researchers know this to be true, too.

> >

> > But that does not mean singles are safe.

> > Sheri

> >

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> > vaccineinfo@t... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

> > OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS

> ALONE.

> >

> > ******

> > " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside

> down.

> > Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities

> destroy

> > knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy

> information

> > and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sheryl- I wont comment on most of this as I dont know enough about

it. My son is 4 and is vaccine damaged. Thank God he has come a

very long way and I attribute much of that to homeopathy.

He will NOT receive another vaccine.

I do understand about the exemptions though. I dont remember what

state you are in but please research all you can on it.

Here in NC we have religious and medical only. I have finally found

a DR that agrees with me on the vaccine issue. She says when he

starts school she will do everything she can to help us win that

battle.

She does believe in vaccines but agrees that this is probably what

caused his problems. So I am just thankful I have found one that

will listen and realizes that some kids have reactions to that crap.

Use the internet to find groups that are in your local area and

maybe you will find a DR that is more open minded and will help with

the medical exemptions.

Sherry

> > >Hi,

> > >

> > > I do not want to make anyone angry in trying to get the MMR

> > >seperate. I am 50-50 on whether or not to vaccinate. My very

> > >preemie twins had some in the NICU and some their first year

> home.

> > >However, I have refused the MMR and Chickenpox. They are 28

> months

> > >old now and I know they will have to get it when going to

> school. I

> > >spoke with Merck directly and they said that the MMR is

available

> > >seperately but only in 10 packs for each component. My doctor

> and

> > >also the ONE FANNIN PHARMACY have told me that they would order

> it if

> > >I could find 6-8 other people in addition to my 2 I need.

Please

> let

> > >me know if you are interested. **Please note that this is

serious

> and

> > >if you want to order the shots have to be paid for, no backing

> > >out**. If one person backs out, it affects all those who want

> it. I

> > >have no idea how much it costs but insurance probably won't

cover

> > >it. I also asked Merck why they didn't produce a single pack

of

> each

> > >component and they didn't know. I told them I can't believe

they

> > >would rather produce a 10 pack of each M, M, and R then to do

it

> in

> > >singles for each child so more people might vaccinate.

> > >

> > >Thanks for listening,

> > >Sheryl

> > >

> > >P.S. I will keep a folder of everyone interested and get

updates

> to

> > >you if there are enough people. Please feel free to email me

> > >privately.

> >

> > Sounds like you need more information, not single vaccines.

> > Why do you think singles are safe? What are you afraid of with

> these

> > diseases?

> >

> > I encourage to research the reality of those diseases

> > Is a girl child at risk for problems from mumps?

> > For that matter is a boy - rarely does it affect the testicles

and

> even

> > MORE rarely, both testicles, and even MORE rarely sterility (in

> teens or

> > adults)

> > Is an infant girl at risk for problems with rubella?

> No...........it is a

> > mild disease - if you want to worry about it for when she get's

> pregnant,

> > you have a long time

> > Is a child at risk with measles - please read the reality.

> Everyone got

> > the measles, including myself, all my family, all my cousins,

all

> my school

> > mates and all my ancestors. All were just fine.

> >

> > So is there a need for MMR at all or any of the separate ones?

> > Does it actually work or just sensitize, leaving more problems

in

> its wake.

> > Those parents of autistic children who saw the problems come

right

> after

> > the vaccine, would take the chance (and there really isn't much

> chance of

> > damage) on measles any time at this point. We have traded an

> acute,

> > relatively harmless in most well-nourished children, disease for

a

> plethora

> > of chronic illness. Not a good trade in my opinion.

> >

> > I suggest that if your child gets measles and there are concerns

> that a

> > homeopath is able to work very nicely , in most cases with the

> child, and

> > help then through any rough spots,. Homeopathy is very

individual

> and

> > depends on the particular symptoms that are unique to your

child -

> that is

> > what determines the remedy

> >

> > For more info on how a homeopath works see

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> > >

> >

> > Weigh all the factors

> > And remember all the effects of MMR and other vaccines are not

> always known

> > immediately. And certainly some children are more susceptible

to

> problems

> > than others. The problem is how to know if this child is or

isn't.

> > Russian roulette

> >

> > I have seen children & adults damaged, with autism or death,

from

> each of

> > the single vaccines that are out there; live vaccines or killed

> vaccnies.

> > All vaccines are dangerous. There is NO evidence that they work

> as they

> > say they do - provide immunity as the disease would.

> >

> > There is so much more to this than MMR........that is the tip of

> the

> > iceberg. There are concerns that all the mercury laden vaccines

> that are

> > given before the MMR lay the groundwork of damage and some

develop

> autism,

> > damage or death from any of those alone and others it takes the

> MMR to put

> > them over the age (and this could be any vaccine). Certaily

> combining 3

> > live vaccines is very stupid - vets see this with animals all

the

> time and

> > animal vaccine researchers know this to be true, too.

> >

> > But that does not mean singles are safe.

> > Sheri

> >

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales

UK

> > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> > vaccineinfo@t... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> > Homeopathy On-Line course -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

> > OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS

> ALONE.

> >

> > ******

> > " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside

> down.

> > Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities

> destroy

> > knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy

> information

> > and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheryl, sounds like you have just started out on the research

front on vaccines. It is normal to have the feelings you are having.

Only you can make the decision on what is best for your children. I

do know that premature infants are more inclined to vaccine

reactions. Even when they do catch up in height and weight, their

immune systems may not catch up until adolescence.

I have a son on the spectrum. If I were you, I would get your son

evaluated. The younger you start interventions the sooner you could

have a complete recovery.

My both sons had vaccine reactions. It isn't a pleasant thing to go

through. When you do go through it, you feel guilty for allowing the

damage. So, now you are at a point where you fear a vaccine reaction,

but, also fear the disease. Either way you will feel guilty.

Most on this list have been through vaccine reactions, or their

children have, and most have done the research. That is why you are

going to get some harsh reactions. Most of us have made it our

mission to get this information out, so it doesn't happen to another

infant. There is so much information out there, you need to start

reading. If you don't understand something in the medical research

post to this list. Many are here to help.

Take a look at the research on our site, also Dr. Neustaedter's,

Sheri's, 's, 's, and Kimberley's. I have also added more. If

I forgot anyone's please post it. So many physicians today also

believe there are too many vaccines on the schedule, and that they

are doing harm.

This is a great list with many knowledgeable people.

http://users.adelphia.net/~cdc/

http://www.cure-guide.com/Vaccine_Guide/vaccine_guide.html

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/

http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

http://www.vaccinationsandsids.com/

http://www.taap.info/

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/

http://www.healthsentinel.com/

http://vaccineinfo.net/

> Sherri,

>

> Hi,thanks for the information. Unfortunately, I had a different

> situation in the begining as my twins were born very sick and very

> early. They wanted to give them shots when they were born.

> However, I was able to hold out until they were 3 months old. I

> didn't even know if my kids would live and they were getting blood

> transfusions and lots of other things. So, they did get there

first

> 2 rounds of shots and after a year I gave in to letting them have

> another round. To make things worse, they had to have the RSV shot

> b/c of their prematurity and bad lungs. They were on oxygen and if

> they would have got sick it could have killed them. Thus, I was

> doing what I felt was best for them. They are behind on their

shots

> and I will not let them get a 4th round. I mean, I went in asking

> about Thimerosal free shots and they told me yes, but I can't

> guarantee it. I managed to say no to the 2nd year of shots or RSV

> b/c I felt I was overprotecting my kids and no one was going to be

> around them or they weren't going outside. They managed to stay

> very healthy all last year and this year! It is so scary, I mean I

> have so much invested in my kids and they have preemie issues that

> take away most of any free time. I just don't want it to come back

> and haunt me that my kids died from a disease that could have been

> prevented. I am still not sure but I know that my friend who has

an

> older autistic son said that the MMR is Thimerosal free but it is

> just getting all 3 at one time. That is why I wanted them

seperated

> by at least 6 months apart. I am not 100% sure they will get them

> but it is worth looking into. My son currently doesn't talk and he

> is 27 months. Don't think that every day of my waking life I don't

> think that he might be autistic. However, I don't want him to die

> either. Yes, I know that measles, mumps and rubella aren't

horrible

> but I guess if not treated quick enough than it can kill them. By

> the way, I use homeopathy on my daughter for her reflux so I

believe

> in that too. ***I would want to know that a homeopathic cure would

> 100% save my child if he contacted it.*** Sterility is a bad thing

> especially when it is your only son who can carry on your name. I

> don't think it is as easy as you think to get the exemptions from

> vaccines. The religious exemption is pretty hard to prove and the

> medical exemption is too. Why would a doctor give me a medical

> exemption for?

>

> Sheryl

>

> P.S. I had said I didn't write this to make anyone angry. I

didn't

> realize it was going to spark a fuse.

[Guest guest]

I don't know a kid that is not sick unless he/she is unvaxxed. No one

associates the problems kids have with vaccines. When if you look hard enough

you

will see the connection. And get sick like I did. Spend some time on my site OK

especially " letters from the web " page. You will see you can't inject a kid

with these poisons in the name of protecting him from disease.

That is just not the way the body works.

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

Vaccine Information or vaccinetruth.org

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

Thanks for being so nice about it. I don't think I will post

anymore on this list as I feel that people are yelling at me. I know

they are mad at things they have seen but everyone has a different

story. I am fuming at the last email post and I did reply back to

her. My kids were in a different boat, most preemies weighing 15.6

ounces didn't even survive, I had to do what I had to. That lady

asked several times if I was on the right list. It made me so mad

b/c I am trying to learn, hence the MMR being seperate. I read it

from a writer named CAVE who is not pro vaccines but says if you

chose them to do them seperately and at least 6 months apart. So,

if I did choose to vaccinate I was trying to do it by best

recommendations. I still am not planning on getting the MMR and

chickenpox as of now, just wanted to see if there were others out

there that thought the seperates were " better " than all at once.

The term " overload " is from getting too many shots at once, and the

book pointed out that giving them vitamins before the shots and then

waiting 6 months to a year between shots was a better option. So,

now that I got this feedback I still have mixed emotions. Someone

on this list is being very nice and helping me go about getting an

exemption for my son who probably will need that extra push in

school b/c he lost his speech from fluid in his ears and had to have

tubes. He definitely needs some more time away from his very

talkative twin to thrive on the speech! Anyway, I will keep

checking it out, I am in Texas (Hence the Houston connection in the

subject line :-))

Sheryl

> > > >Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I do not want to make anyone angry in trying to get the MMR

> > > >seperate. I am 50-50 on whether or not to vaccinate. My

very

> > > >preemie twins had some in the NICU and some their first year

> > home.

> > > >However, I have refused the MMR and Chickenpox. They are 28

> > months

> > > >old now and I know they will have to get it when going to

> > school. I

> > > >spoke with Merck directly and they said that the MMR is

> available

> > > >seperately but only in 10 packs for each component. My

doctor

> > and

> > > >also the ONE FANNIN PHARMACY have told me that they would

order

> > it if

> > > >I could find 6-8 other people in addition to my 2 I need.

> Please

> > let

> > > >me know if you are interested. **Please note that this is

> serious

> > and

> > > >if you want to order the shots have to be paid for, no

backing

> > > >out**. If one person backs out, it affects all those who

want

> > it. I

> > > >have no idea how much it costs but insurance probably won't

> cover

> > > >it. I also asked Merck why they didn't produce a single pack

> of

> > each

> > > >component and they didn't know. I told them I can't believe

> they

> > > >would rather produce a 10 pack of each M, M, and R then to do

> it

> > in

> > > >singles for each child so more people might vaccinate.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks for listening,

> > > >Sheryl

> > > >

> > > >P.S. I will keep a folder of everyone interested and get

> updates

> > to

> > > >you if there are enough people. Please feel free to email me

> > > >privately.

> > >

> > > Sounds like you need more information, not single vaccines.

> > > Why do you think singles are safe? What are you afraid of

with

> > these

> > > diseases?

> > >

> > > I encourage to research the reality of those diseases

> > > Is a girl child at risk for problems from mumps?

> > > For that matter is a boy - rarely does it affect the testicles

> and

> > even

> > > MORE rarely, both testicles, and even MORE rarely sterility

(in

> > teens or

> > > adults)

> > > Is an infant girl at risk for problems with rubella?

> > No...........it is a

> > > mild disease - if you want to worry about it for when she

get's

> > pregnant,

> > > you have a long time

> > > Is a child at risk with measles - please read the reality.

> > Everyone got

> > > the measles, including myself, all my family, all my cousins,

> all

> > my school

> > > mates and all my ancestors. All were just fine.

> > >

> > > So is there a need for MMR at all or any of the separate ones?

> > > Does it actually work or just sensitize, leaving more problems

> in

> > its wake.

> > > Those parents of autistic children who saw the problems come

> right

> > after

> > > the vaccine, would take the chance (and there really isn't

much

> > chance of

> > > damage) on measles any time at this point. We have traded an

> > acute,

> > > relatively harmless in most well-nourished children, disease

for

> a

> > plethora

> > > of chronic illness. Not a good trade in my opinion.

> > >

> > > I suggest that if your child gets measles and there are

concerns

> > that a

> > > homeopath is able to work very nicely , in most cases with the

> > child, and

> > > help then through any rough spots,. Homeopathy is very

> individual

> > and

> > > depends on the particular symptoms that are unique to your

> child -

> > that is

> > > what determines the remedy

> > >

> > > For more info on how a homeopath works see

> > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> > > >

> > >

> > > Weigh all the factors

> > > And remember all the effects of MMR and other vaccines are not

> > always known

> > > immediately. And certainly some children are more susceptible

> to

> > problems

> > > than others. The problem is how to know if this child is or

> isn't.

> > > Russian roulette

> > >

> > > I have seen children & adults damaged, with autism or death,

> from

> > each of

> > > the single vaccines that are out there; live vaccines or

killed

> > vaccnies.

> > > All vaccines are dangerous. There is NO evidence that they

work

> > as they

> > > say they do - provide immunity as the disease would.

> > >

> > > There is so much more to this than MMR........that is the tip

of

> > the

> > > iceberg. There are concerns that all the mercury laden

vaccines

> > that are

> > > given before the MMR lay the groundwork of damage and some

> develop

> > autism,

> > > damage or death from any of those alone and others it takes

the

> > MMR to put

> > > them over the age (and this could be any vaccine). Certaily

> > combining 3

> > > live vaccines is very stupid - vets see this with animals all

> the

> > time and

> > > animal vaccine researchers know this to be true, too.

> > >

> > > But that does not mean singles are safe.

> > > Sheri

> > >

> > >

> > > --------------------------------------------------------

> > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA &

Wales

> UK

> > > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> > > vaccineinfo@t... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> > > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> > > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> > > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> > > Homeopathy On-Line course -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> > > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

> > > OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS

> > ALONE.

> > >

> > > ******

> > > " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is

upside

> > down.

> > > Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities

> > destroy

> > > knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media

destroy

> > information

> > > and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks. I will keep researching it. Just another thing to add to

my list of worries. I guess sometimes I question why then are there

so many other kids that get the shots and have no problems at all?

I know that the new vaccine that has like 6 or seven in it is coming

out or has come out. I wonder if the rates will increase in the

problems and why would they even opt for that if there are so many

problems. Not defending them, just wondering. My kids fortunately,

didn't go through any seizures and had no problems that I know of.

My son lost his speech due to severe fluid build up and had to have

tubes. He now hears and we are working on his speech. Could it be

autism, sure it could. So, if it is I just have to live with it and

be sad that I made that choice. Don't think I don't cry everyday

that they possibility he may be Autistic. Yes, I would forever hate

myself knowing that I caused it. My daughter got the same exact

schedule as he did and she is very smart. Just so much and so

little time. Being a mom is hard yet being a mom to preemies is

even harder. Now that they are older and healthier, that is when I

started saying no to the vaccines. They got 3 rounds of most things

but won't get a 4th.

Sheryl

> After watching my son seize after his vaccinations there isn't

enough money

> in the world to ever persuade me to vaccinate him again. Measles,

mumps,

> rubella on the same day would be a walk in the park compared to

what I went through.

> Vaccines don't work they never have. Doctors have no clue how the

immune

> system works. Keep researching. The idea is to stay away from

these diseases not

> inject them in.

>

> All the best,

>

> " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if

any should

> be

> given to their children "

> Vaccine Information or vaccinetruth.org

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Hi, thanks for the info. I started early intervention on him

before he was 2. He never had ear infections and was saying normal

words like " mama " . He just stopped. I decided to take him to ENT,

not by doctor's recommendation. Found out he had fluid behind his

ears and did tubes. He is hearing much better now and we hope that

is all it is. Yes, he could be on the Autistic spectrum and

unfortunately, all I can do is wait and see until he is older. What

types of homeopathy worked for you (for future refereces if

needed). I also had him doing speech therapy via ECI once a week

since 18 months old. I decided to take a stronger approach and have

got him in to a specializing hospital to do it 2 times a week. He

is also on a waiting list to have the dianostic ABER in Nov. and is

on a waiting list for the Developmental Pediatric Center at the same

hospital for February. I did that all on my own, no doctors at

all. In fact, the doctors say I am doing all I can do and they

don't recommend anything else. If you have other suggestions,

please let me know. We are just about to start PECS with him b/c

ECI pushed sign language and he didn't take off on it. I told them

I would rather try pictures (use to be a special ed assistant) so I

am familiar with these types of kids and things they need, which

helps. I do want to learn more and I have read some. I just don't

have the time to sit and research for long periods at a time. I am

doing the best I can and as of their 1 1/2 month birthday they

haven't gotten any shots and that is why I joined this list b/c I

wasn't sure. I mean, at least I am stopping and trying to make a

decision, I just didn't okay them to give them the shots. That is a

start and no one on the list said that was a good thing, just reamed

me about the ones they got already. All I can say is that until

they walk in my shoes and know what my kids have gone through then

they can't judge me. My kids needed some of those shots and I did

prolong them for 3 months depsite the hospital trying to cram them

down their throats at a week old.

Gotta run,

Sheryl

> > Sherri,

> >

> > Hi,thanks for the information. Unfortunately, I had a

different

> > situation in the begining as my twins were born very sick and

very

> > early. They wanted to give them shots when they were born.

> > However, I was able to hold out until they were 3 months old. I

> > didn't even know if my kids would live and they were getting

blood

> > transfusions and lots of other things. So, they did get there

> first

> > 2 rounds of shots and after a year I gave in to letting them

have

> > another round. To make things worse, they had to have the RSV

shot

> > b/c of their prematurity and bad lungs. They were on oxygen and

if

> > they would have got sick it could have killed them. Thus, I was

> > doing what I felt was best for them. They are behind on their

> shots

> > and I will not let them get a 4th round. I mean, I went in

asking

> > about Thimerosal free shots and they told me yes, but I can't

> > guarantee it. I managed to say no to the 2nd year of shots or

RSV

> > b/c I felt I was overprotecting my kids and no one was going to

be

> > around them or they weren't going outside. They managed to stay

> > very healthy all last year and this year! It is so scary, I

mean I

> > have so much invested in my kids and they have preemie issues

that

> > take away most of any free time. I just don't want it to come

back

> > and haunt me that my kids died from a disease that could have

been

> > prevented. I am still not sure but I know that my friend who

has

> an

> > older autistic son said that the MMR is Thimerosal free but it

is

> > just getting all 3 at one time. That is why I wanted them

> seperated

> > by at least 6 months apart. I am not 100% sure they will get

them

> > but it is worth looking into. My son currently doesn't talk and

he

> > is 27 months. Don't think that every day of my waking life I

don't

> > think that he might be autistic. However, I don't want him to

die

> > either. Yes, I know that measles, mumps and rubella aren't

> horrible

> > but I guess if not treated quick enough than it can kill them.

By

> > the way, I use homeopathy on my daughter for her reflux so I

> believe

> > in that too. ***I would want to know that a homeopathic cure

would

> > 100% save my child if he contacted it.*** Sterility is a bad

thing

> > especially when it is your only son who can carry on your name.

I

> > don't think it is as easy as you think to get the exemptions

from

> > vaccines. The religious exemption is pretty hard to prove and

the

> > medical exemption is too. Why would a doctor give me a medical

> > exemption for?

> >

> > Sheryl

> >

> > P.S. I had said I didn't write this to make anyone angry. I

> didn't

> > realize it was going to spark a fuse.

[Guest guest]

> ,

>

> Hi, thanks for the info. I started early intervention on him

> before he was 2. He never had ear infections and was saying normal

> words like " mama " . He just stopped. I decided to take him to ENT,

> not by doctor's recommendation. Found out he had fluid behind his

> ears and did tubes. He is hearing much better now and we hope that

> is all it is. Yes, he could be on the Autistic spectrum and

> unfortunately, all I can do is wait and see until he is older.

The first thing that is looked at is ears for a speech problem. Since

he did have fluid in his ears, and he is picking up now, he may not

be on the spectrum. He may be a little delayed. So keep your fingers

crossed. Does he have any bowel problems? Allergies? My son had a

very bad reaction to his four month DPT shot, not the DTaP. The DTaP

isn't as effective as the DPT was. Also, the DTaP vaccine really

isn't doing its job, that is why you are hearing so many case reports

of whopping cough. If you search the archives in just the last week

there is info on that. Here is a good link

http://www.rubella.net/DTP/Pediatrics10604e52.htm

Also, there is a connection between Celiac's and the DTaP. He was

hospitalized after the MMR with severe gastroenteritis.

What

> types of homeopathy worked for you (for future refereces if

> needed). I also had him doing speech therapy via ECI once a week

> since 18 months old. I decided to take a stronger approach and

have

> got him in to a specializing hospital to do it 2 times a week. He

> is also on a waiting list to have the dianostic ABER in Nov. and is

> on a waiting list for the Developmental Pediatric Center at the

same

> hospital for February. I did that all on my own, no doctors at

> all. In fact, the doctors say I am doing all I can do and they

> don't recommend anything else. If you have other suggestions,

> please let me know.

Sounds like you are a very good Mom, and doing every thing you can.

Now you are advocating for your child. Here are some signs that

hearing loss could be a problem. Since your children were premature,

I'm sure that is the answer. Girls apparently are much stronger than

boys. Rubella, herpes, cytomegalovirus would mean contracted while in

the womb. CMV virus has been found in some vaccines. They have, and

now are in the process of trying to instate better contamination

tests, but really cannot guarantee that these viruses are not passing

through. Did you have a rubella titer run during your pregnancy? Were

you immune?

Conditions (Risk Factors) which increase the chances of a child

having hearing loss:

Family history of hearing loss

Prematurity (birthweight less than 1500 grams, or about 3 lbs)

Low Apgar scores (your baby was very sick at birth)

Ototoxic medications (usually IV antibiotics given due to infection)

Hyperbilirubinemia (If your child required a transfusion or " lights "

in the nursery, ask your pediatrician if this was the reason)

Abnormalities of the ear, head, or neck, which are present at birth

Bacterial meningitis

Infections such as rubella, herpes, cytomegalovirus (CMV), which are

present at birth

Mechanical ventilation for 10 days or more

Syndromes such as Downs, Usher,

My AS son is 18 years old, so most of the interventions were not

available to him, because I didn't have a diagnosis, and the Drs.

could not tell me what was wrong. At the age of three we went to see

a pediatric allergist in another state. He was allergic to over 50

foods, and environmental allergies. Once he started her treatment it

took close to two years for him to start feeling better, and hit the

growth charts.

My other son who is 5 years old, had a blatant out right reaction to

the Prevnar vaccine at 9 months old. He also has allergies, but he

isn't anything like his brother was. Did a lot of things different

this time around, exclusive breastfeeding for 3 years for one. Also,

probiotics, vitamin C, and vitamin A. Sheri also gave me help with

ear infections, he had at least five during the winter last year,

(after he stopped nursing) and Pulsatilla does the trick for him.

Hasn't had one since (knock on wood). Every child's remedy is

different though.

We are just about to start PECS with him b/c

> ECI pushed sign language and he didn't take off on it. I told them

> I would rather try pictures (use to be a special ed assistant) so I

> am familiar with these types of kids and things they need, which

> helps. I do want to learn more and I have read some. I just don't

> have the time to sit and research for long periods at a time. I am

> doing the best I can and as of their 1 1/2 month birthday they

> haven't gotten any shots and that is why I joined this list b/c I

> wasn't sure. I mean, at least I am stopping and trying to make a

> decision, I just didn't okay them to give them the shots. That is

a

> start and no one on the list said that was a good thing, just

reamed

> me about the ones they got already. All I can say is that until

> they walk in my shoes and know what my kids have gone through then

> they can't judge me. My kids needed some of those shots and I did

> prolong them for 3 months depsite the hospital trying to cram them

> down their throats at a week old.

I think responded to this about reaming. This is a very good

list. Lots of support, the more everyone learns on this list the

angrier we get. I know what it is like at their age with a sick

child! I would never have been able to read anything. He took up all

of my time, it was all consuming, and I didn't even know what autism

was. I couldn't imagine taking care of two, and going through

everything you have in such a short amount of time. If you are able

to get some time for yourself, try to have some down time, and do

something for yourself that is fun!

Please stick around! We really aren't an angry mob. Maybe, if you put

the pharma reps in front of us that would be much different!

PS: I actually woke up from a nightmare last night at 4:30 am. Some

40's or 50 ish women was chasing me with a needle and syringe that

was as long as an arm. Honestly, I never had a dream like this

before. It was frightening, woke up in a sweat. Decided to take a

break today, and maybe read and answer some posts. Glad I did!