Re: Fibromyalgia prohibits sufferers from breastfeeding

[Guest guest]

OKay this may happen for some women,but I was diagnosed with Fibro and

breastfed my baby. YES it hurt alot,but it hurt alot even if I would have given

her a bottle so I choose to nurse because its so much better and healthier for

the baby. Maybe my baby wont end up with this crippling disease. I do not have

much quality of life at all. I would love to hear from other fibro

sufferers.love Janet

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

Have you investigated stealth virus research done by ??and I am blocking on

his name. Seems like some persons with your symptoms have been identified

as having stealth viruses. I am sure someone else on this list can share

more about this.

On another note, did you or are you having any pesticide exposures?

Re: Fibromyalgia prohibits sufferers from

breastfeeding

> OKay this may happen for some women,but I was diagnosed with Fibro and

> breastfed my baby. YES it hurt alot,but it hurt alot even if I would have

given

> her a bottle so I choose to nurse because its so much better and healthier

for

> the baby. Maybe my baby wont end up with this crippling disease. I do not

have

> much quality of life at all. I would love to hear from other fibro

> sufferers.love Janet

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again, please send me the name of that doctor okay? I got this condition

from 2 vaccinations. they call it fibro,because they do not know what to call

it! I would appreciate any more info you can give me. I have tried the

holistic approach,the alternative you name it I have detoxed my brains out and

still have unbearable chronic pain.love Janet

[Guest guest]

His name is W. . The link for articles he has written is

http://www.s3support.com/mnews.cfm

The original website is www.ccid.org

let me add that this stealth virus stuff is over my head so I cannot make

comments on it one way or another--maybe someone else on this list can --

but if I had neurodegenerative disorders or fibromyalgia, I would at least

want to check into this further.

Re: Fibromyalgia prohibits sufferers from

breastfeeding

> Hi again, please send me the name of that doctor okay? I got this

condition

> from 2 vaccinations. they call it fibro,because they do not know what to

call

> it! I would appreciate any more info you can give me. I have tried the

> holistic approach,the alternative you name it I have detoxed my brains

out and

> still have unbearable chronic pain.love Janet

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to let you know that there has been some controversy with

Dr. . I'm in no way making a judgment in what is true or false.

It could be the vaccine police on his case for all I know, but,

everyone needs both sides of a story to make an accurate judgment.

Info below.

Disease Or Deception

POSTED: 3:16 p.m. PST February 13, 2003

UPDATED: 11:39 a.m. PST March 11, 2003

Last August, after an inspection of 's practices, the

government shut down his lab because of " immediate jeopardy " and

ordered him to " cease and desist. " Team Four Reports has learned

's federal lab certificate was suspended and his state license

was revoked. The reports cite dozens of violations, including

failure to maintain records and throwing out blood samples. The CDC

says 's actions border on fraudulent activity

full article at

http://www.nbc4.tv/team4reports/1977042/detail.html

The National CFIDS Foundation

W. Stripped of License -- Is All His Work Bogus?

By Bob Huntington and Cheryl Tai with Gail Kansky

W. , M.D., Ph.D. has been stripped of his license to

do any clinical laboratory testing and his clinical laboratory

license has been suspended. But does he even have a laboratory to

shut down anymore, and did he ever find a virus that he has

continued to call the " stealth virus " ? The most amazing fact we

found out was that his license suspension was due to the work of one

lone individual who is merely a patient! But let's give you some

background first.

Dr. received his medical training in Australia and was the

chief of the Immunology/Molecular Pathology Unit at the LAC/USC

(University of California) Medical Center as well as a professor of

pathology at the USC School of Medicine. He was the former director

of the Viral Oncology Branch of the FDA's (Federal Drug

Administration) Bureau of Biologics which is the principal agency in

charge of testing human vaccines. Before that, he worked at the

National Cancer Institute.

He emerged as a key player in ME/CFIDS research inthe late 1980's

with a virus that he named a " stealth " virus. By the early 90's,

The CFIDS Association had funded him for $231,000. Dr. had

said he had discovered " Epione " which was a " potential therapy of

stealth viral infection. " He named it after the wife of a Greek God

of medicine known for skills in " soothing

pain " . He assured the CFIDS Association that Epione was already in

stage 2 testing with an IND number through the federal government.

They cut off his funding but never told the patient community why.

The reason they cut off funding? They checked with the FDA and found

out all had told them about the status of Epione was a lie.

If the CFIDS Association (CAA) had, at that time, been more

forthcoming about this to the patient community, which they

claim to represent, it may well have ended the destructive path that

was taking. But they kept those facts to themselves and

have, subsequently, caused a lot of harm to hundreds and, perhaps,

thousands, of patients in the decade since this happened. When one

of the authors of this piece asked Dr. why the CFIDS

Association stopped funding him, he said it was a

" mere misunderstanding. "

Stealth viruses, according to Dr. , " Do, indeed, exist and can

be at the root of many multi-system neuro degenerative illnesses

such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, fibromyalgia, attention deficit

disorder, autism and other diseases causing behavioral changes. " He

also lists Lyme's Disease, Gulf War Illness, a bevy of psychiatric

illnesses and oncogenic (cancerous) diseases. But nobody has

ever been able to replicate his findings in over a decade. So why

has his license been pulled?

preyed upon patients who were desperately ill, telling them

that he knew what they had (a " stealth " virus) and only he could

save them from their " fatal " disease. His therapeutic regimen

included antibiotics, antivirals, diet and vitamins, neurontin, and

other medications, including anti-depressants, that have all been

tried before and are not new. What was different, was that he

wanted you to be " monitored " closely which includes lot of tests

that he does and not " to conclude a lack of long term benefit " for

at least 4-6 months. He thoroughly frightened many by telling them

that without funding for him, they had no chance.

One person who had been diagnosed with " CFS " scoured every area to

find donors, raising hundreds of thousands of dollars. As a single

mother of a young child, she was frightened that her child would be

left alone in this world. But then she found out facts that angered

her and made her regret all the efforts she had made to raise funds

for . She, single-handedly, found out the truth about W.

and is working to expose the truth.

The university where he had his laboratory had him physically

removed by security guards in December of 1995! Despite the closure

of his laboratory, 's curriculum vitai (CV)

listed his professorship and laboratory at University of

California's Department of Pathology and the NCF is in possession of

a copy of his 1997-8 CV. Despite being removed from the University,

is a tenured professor and the University will only say he is

on " indefinite leave. " told patients that their blood was

being monitored by the State of California. When this was checked

out, the state denied ever receiving any serum,let

alone " monitoring " any for him.

continued at.....

http://www.ncf-net.org/forum/martin.html

> His name is W. . The link for articles he has written is

> http://www.s3support.com/mnews.cfm

>

> The original website is www.ccid.org

>

> let me add that this stealth virus stuff is over my head so I

cannot make

> comments on it one way or another--maybe someone else on this list

can --

> but if I had neurodegenerative disorders or fibromyalgia, I would

at least

> want to check into this further.

>

>

> Re: Fibromyalgia prohibits sufferers from

> breastfeeding

>

>

> > Hi again, please send me the name of that doctor okay? I got this

> condition

> > from 2 vaccinations. they call it fibro,because they do not know

what to

> call

> > it! I would appreciate any more info you can give me. I have

tried the

> > holistic approach,the alternative you name it I have detoxed my

brains

> out and

> > still have unbearable chronic pain.love Janet

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing. His research is " way out there. " but is he implicating

that people get these stealth viruses from vaccines?? If so, I can see why

everyone would want to shut him up/discredit him no matter what. So do

stealth viruses exist or not? And are they transmitted to people in

vaccines?

Re: Fibromyalgia prohibits sufferers from

> > breastfeeding

> >

> >

> > > Hi again, please send me the name of that doctor okay? I got this

> > condition

> > > from 2 vaccinations. they call it fibro,because they do not know

> what to

> > call

> > > it! I would appreciate any more info you can give me. I have

> tried the

> > > holistic approach,the alternative you name it I have detoxed my

> brains

> > out and

> > > still have unbearable chronic pain.love Janet

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Take a look here Sandy.

http://www.ccid.org/newdev.htm

http://www.ccid.org/safety.htm

> Thanks for sharing. His research is " way out there. " but is he

implicating

> that people get these stealth viruses from vaccines?? If so, I can

see why

> everyone would want to shut him up/discredit him no matter what.

So do

> stealth viruses exist or not? And are they transmitted to people in

> vaccines?

[Guest guest]

These links did not show up when I clicked through and I could not find them

by going to ccid.org

Re: Fibromyalgia prohibits sufferers from

breastfeeding

>

> Take a look here Sandy.

>

> http://www.ccid.org/newdev.htm

>

> http://www.ccid.org/safety.htm

>

>

> > Thanks for sharing. His research is " way out there. " but is he

> implicating

> > that people get these stealth viruses from vaccines?? If so, I can

> see why

> > everyone would want to shut him up/discredit him no matter what.

> So do

> > stealth viruses exist or not? And are they transmitted to people in

> > vaccines?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hmmm? They are working for me. Here is the text.

Extensive research into the field of stealth viruses has been done

and while once this was a very controversial issue with many doubting

even the existence of these types of viruses, they have now been

scientifically proven to exist. Culturing methods for these viruses

has improved and hard sequence data is now available on them which

show how these viruses have assembled themselves, the way that

they've recombined with other genes, the cellular, viral, bacterial

origins. And it is now known that the stealth virus can take varying

structural forms but it has the basic capacity to imbed itself in the

brain, persist in the brain causing brain dysfunction. Unfortunately,

a very real result of all this research has shown that that stealth

viral infections can progress to very severe illness, including

death.

And now it has also been found that stealth viruses are even more

menacing because it has been discovered that they have the ability to

acquire sequences of bacterial and even fungal origin. This strongly

suggests that stealth viruses become viteria by infecting bacteria.

Viteria are animal viruses that have incorporated bacterial genetic

sequences. A brief summary of the viteria concept has been sento the

FDA NIH and CDC and can be read here.

Viteria: A Menacing New Life Form

More can be read about viteria in this article. A Statement on

Viteria

The stealth virus has now been shown to be involved with many chronic

disabling illnesses such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, autism,

Attention Deficit Disorder and many other diseases involving

neurodegenerative symptoms with encephalopathy. There is a broad

spectrum of symptoms involved with stealth virus infection which

leads to the term multi-system stealth virus infection with

encephalopathy (MSVIE). This has been seen in many, many patients

tested by Dr. and now, unfortunately, this wide array of

baffling symptoms is now also being seen in physicians that treat CFS

patients. The case studies of 4 physicans with a wide array of

differing symptoms is described in the paper CFS Among Physicians.

These physicians all reported different signs and symptoms of their

illness. They were all diagnosed as having CFS and all of them tested

positive for the stealth virus.

When live SV-40 virus was found in formulin treated poliovrus

vaccine, a switch was made to use kidney cells from African Green

Monkeys using a live (attenuated) strain of poliovirus. Kidney

cultures from all 12 monkeys tested grew out simian cytomegalovirus.

Sequencing studies done by Dr. on the stealth virus indicate

that it originated in SCMV but the CDC and FDA have exhibited an

unwillingness to have their vaccine safety procedures reviewed. Dr.

writes an in-depth account of the cover-up by government

agencies of the contamination of vaccines even though SCMV is still

being found in poliovaccine and the deadly risk of stealth virus

infection that exists for children who are made to use these

vaccines. Read the article Vaccine Safety

Second Link

Vaccine Safety

Dr.

One of society's highest obligations is the protection of its

children. Vaccine programs provide a proven method for childhood

disease prevention. The safety of such programs has been entrusted to

vaccine manufacturers and to government. regulatory agencies.

Although widely touted as the major medical triumph of the 20th

century, the development of viral vaccines has elements of less than

stellar performance. The discovery in 1960 of live SV-40 virus

contamination in formalin-treated poliovirus vaccine, produced in

kidney cells cultures from rhesus monkeys, did not lead to an

immediate recall of the contaminated vaccines. Rather the production

method was switched to the use of kidney cells from the much less

well characterized African green monkeys. This switch in monkey

species was soon followed by the decision to forgo formalin

inactivation by using a weakened (attenuated) live strain of

poliovirus. Persisting concerns regarding contaminating viruses in

the live poliovaccine led in 1972 to a joint study between the

vaccine manufacturer and the United States Food and Drug

Administration (FDA). Kidney cultures from all 12 monkeys tested grew

African green monkey simian cytomegalovirus (SCMV). Only 4 of the

SCMV isolates were detectable using the regular methods for virus

detection. No changes in testing methodology were imposed, nor was

the scientific community alerted to the findings. An excuse that was

subsequently offered was that all such information about the study

was deemed to be proprietary. The results of this earlier study were,

however, not conveyed to me in 1977 when, as an FDA scientist, I

notified the Director of the FDA's Bureau of Biologics that certain

poliovaccine lots contained unexplained non-cellular DNA; and were

therefore potentially viral contaminated.

The issue of SCMV contamination of poliovirus vaccines was again

raised with the FDA in May 1995. I was then working as a virologist

at the University of Southern California. I had developed tissue

culture methods which indicated the presence of atypical viruses in

patients with complex neurological diseases. The viruses were

striking in that they failed to evoke an inflammatory reaction in the

patients from whom they were isolated. They were termed stealth

viruses on this basis and seemingly they lacked target antigens for

recognition by the body's cellular immune system. Sequencing studies

on a stealth virus indicated it had originated from SCMV. Several

meetings with FDA and Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

officials clearly pointed to their unwillingness to allow any outside

review of vaccine safety procedures. For example, a simple request to

review histological slides of neurological tissue of monkeys

inoculated with poliovaccine was refused, again on the basis that it

was proprietary information. Noteworthy was the admission that the

vaccines were routinely tested in rhesus monkeys because African

green monkeys commonly show evidence of neurological disease.

Moreover, even in rhesus monkeys, the vaccine was said to induce

considerable damage, although less than that induced by non-

attenuated poliovirus.

The actual sequence data were published in a respected virology

journal in July 1995. The article aroused the interest of anti-

vaccine consumer groups. Through the efforts of one of these groups,

I was invited to attend a vaccine safety meeting of the Institute of

Medicine, National Academy of Sciences. The open meeting held on

November 6, 1995 was followed the next day by an " executive session. "

I was informed that several individuals at this meeting

were " furious " that I was allowed to speak. A very much watered down

account of what I said subsequently appeared in the official report

of the meeting.

Some insight into the lack luster nature of the existing system was

provided by several brief interchanges with Government and other

officials during the last several years. For example, I was asked

whether formalin treatment would inactivate stealth viruses. My

response was that I did not know. The chairman of the National

Immunization Advisory Committee suggested his advocacy of a split

protocol in which both formalin inactivated and live attenuated

poliovaccine would provide the necessary time window for the

manufacturer of the inactivated vaccine to develop the stocks

required for a complete switch. True to his suggestion, the official

switch to inactivated vaccine is scheduled for January 2000. Of

course, those " in the know " would have already switched to the

inactivated vaccine. An FDA reform bill was being considered by

Congress in 1997. I suggested that the bill include the provision

that " If a safety issue is identified in the regulation of a

biological product, then Industry will waive its proprietary

protection so that the information could be made available to the

scientific community. " The suggestion was well received by the

counsel for the House Commerce Committee. It was soon dropped,

however, when support was not forthcoming from Industry, FDA or the

American Medical Association (AMA). In speaking with an AMA lobbyist,

I understood they " would not want the public to know that their

doctors were not in the knowledge loop. " I once asked industry

personnel involved in poliovaccine production whether they were still

encountering SCMV in poliovaccine production lots. After some

hesitation that disappeared as we all identified ourselves as

parents, the straightforward answer was " not infrequently. " Armed

with this information I again requested of an FDA official to please

use modern techniques such as the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) to

screen poliovaccine lots for SCMV. " We would not know what to do with

a positive result " was his answer.

Continued sequencing of the prototype SCMV-derived stealth virus have

helped substantiate the original suggestion that stealth adapted

viruses simply lack the critical target antigens for cellular immune

recognition. More impressively, the virus has the capacity to

assimilate genes from infected cells and from bacteria. The cellular

genes identified within the stealth virus include a gene with

potential oncogenic (cancer causing) activity. The bacterial genes

serve a wide range of metabolic functions that could enhance

bacterial growth. Human and animal viruses with bacterial sequences

represent a novel life form that has been christened viteria. The

recombination of viral, bacterial and cellular genes within broadly

infectious viteria is clearly of major medical and Public Health

significance. For instance, it could provide a viral explanation for

positive findings in clinical assays designed to detect various

bacteria including the Borrelia burgdorferi (the agent for Lyme

disease), mycoplasma, and chlamydia. FDA and CDC were informed of the

publication of the results. It was disheartening, yet challenging,

that neither organization responded. NIH was also notified but merely

acknowledged that research is supportable by grants.

During the last decade, I have written several clinical articles

describing stealth virus infected patients with complex illnesses.

The patients have included children with autism, adults with

psychotic disease and several individuals with chronic

fatigue/fibromyalgia syndrome. An additional recent publication

described a stealth virus infected child whose illness began in 1997

as a behavioral problem. It took over seven months before the illness

was attributed to brain damage, as confirmed by magnetic resonance

imaging (MRI). Even then the neurologist was unable to detect

impaired motor or sensory functions. A brain biopsy performed shortly

after the essentially normal clinical examination showed marked

vacuolating/spongiform change. The child's clinical condition

progressively deteriorated. He was examined at several major medical

centers where it was wrongly concluded that he had a genetic disease

from which he would soon die. He was shown to be stealth virus

infected by tissue culture and significantly improved with anti-viral

therapy, although he still has major residual deficits.

Where is the Public Health concern that a childhood viral infection

was not recognized at major medical centers. Where is the interest in

the many other children who have tested positive for stealth viruses.

Why the lack of discussion about possible brain damage causing

national tragedies such as school shootings, and the increasing

prevalence of autism, attention deficit, asthma and sudden infant

death syndrome. Are stealth virus infected patients populating our

psychiatric institutions, allergy clinics and even our cancer wards.

The world and, in particular, its children appear to be at risk for

stealth adapted viruses. The contribution of vaccines to the

formation and dissemination of these viruses should be an open topic

for scientific discussion. This is not occurring with those presently

in charge of overseeing the safety of the Nation's immunization

program.

W. , M.D., Ph.D.

Center for Complex Infectious Diseases

Rosemead CA 91770

www.ccid.org

> These links did not show up when I clicked through and I could not

find them

> by going to ccid.org

>

> Re: Fibromyalgia prohibits sufferers from

> breastfeeding

>

>

> >

> > Take a look here Sandy.

> >

> > http://www.ccid.org/newdev.htm

> >

> > http://www.ccid.org/safety.htm