Re: Our first experience with a pediatrician/Any recomendations in Phoenix?

[Guest guest]

,

I can't help with the doc in Phoenix ... I live in Chicago! But I will

recommend looking at family practice over pediatricians. They are sometimes

less stringent on the idea of vax'ing. We have a family doc. Liam's 16

months old and we went at 1 week, 2 weeks, 6 weeks for weight checks. I was

nursing exclusively which I'd never done before and wanted to make sure he

was doing ok. I took him in at 6 months again, for reassurance (silly momma

of 3 LOL). We didn't go back until he was 13 months old and had whooping

cough - we were then back 2 more times for weight checks. We are pretty

comfortable knowing that our son is happy, healthy. I'm lucky in that our

group doesn't vax their own children. If no one on the board can help,

maybe give them a call and see if they know anyone in your area

(www.homefirst.com).

My 2nd is just a thought - I know I totally will be alone on this one on

this group LOL ..... IF you are having your baby in a hospital, you might

want to consider the eye antibiotic for one reason only ... MAN ALIVE

hospitals are nasty nasty places, just plain dirty and at least this MIGHT

afford the baby some protection against anything that a worker might pass on

to the baby's eyes. I know it sounds silly, but that was the only thing I

let them give my son ... there were other issues ... such as them having to

respond to the state because I didn't want it - to protect the nurse's jobs

...... even the group I go to said that it was easier to let them to this one

thing, than to have CPS show up at my doorstep because of overzealous

personnel.

Best Wishes on the impending birth of your new child!

in IL

Our first experience with a pediatrician/Any

recomendations in Phoenix?

> Hello! I've been a member for a while, but just reading the list of

> messages. Sorry, this is going to be a little long...

>

> I'm due in 3 weeks to have our first child. My husband and I have

> been researching vaccinations via some books and the internet.

> There are some that we are just not comfortable giving our child.

> We also do not plan on circumcizing and do not want to give the

> Vitamin K shot or the eye ointment in the hospital. We are

> definitely not giving Hep B!

>

> We asked for advice from our midwife, she said we don't have to do

> the eye ointment and Vitamin K is only necessary if you are

> circumcizing or in the event of 'traumatic birth' (forceps, vacumm,

> etc) which is what I have read and believe as well. We asked for

> recommendations of a pediatrician and we saw the one she sees. She

> said the practice was a little more flexible on vaccinations.

>

> Well, we met with the doctor she normally sees. The only vaccine he

> was ok with us delaying(until teen years, he said) was the hep b.

> Everything else is just a " no brainer " according to him. He didn't

> see any risks in vaccines and even brushed off the level of mercury

> in vaccines asking me if I eat fish, which I don't, and said the

> mercury in vaccines is just a 'trace'. He dismissed all reports of

> side effects from hep b shots and the MMR link to autism, saying

> that non-experts published these studies. He said he's an expert

> because he practices in pediatrics.

>

> I didn't expect to find a doctor that was fully no-vax friendly on

> the first try, my husband and I just didn't like his attitude about

> vaccines having no risk. He even considered the Vitamin K a " no

> brainer " and was trying to push the eye ointment. I told him I

> understood what the eye ointment was for and I don't have any STD's,

> I'm quite sure of it. He was like " it's just a little antibiotic "

> but I see it as an unnecessary antibiotic, I'd also like my newborn

> son to be able to see his mom and dad and not have goopy eyes!

>

> Anyways, he was OK as far as other areas were concerned, but our

> main issue is the vaccinations. I am declining Vitamin K at the

> hospital, my midwife is fine with that, as well as no eye ointment.

> I am not giving my child a hep b shot, I've never had one and I

> don't have hepitits b, why should my newborn have the shot? Since

> we aren't doing the hep b the vaccination schedule starts at 2

> months, so we have a few weeks to keep looking for a new doctor.

>

> We just don't know where to look, I've asked friends, researched the

> internet, etc. I've asked on no-vaccination message boards. I

> really need help or suggestions in finding a good doctor that isn't

> going to push the vaccinations on my child & my family. We would

> like to make our own educated decisions without pressure.

>

> If anyone has any recommendations in the Phoenix area I would

> greatly appreciate it!

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It will probably be hard finding a pediatrician to respect your

decision on not vaccinating. They believe you are putting your

child's health at risk by not vaccinating. You may be able to find

one that won't be as pushy though. I took my son to a D.O. and he

still believed in vaccinating but not starting them until they are 2

years old. However, he was respectful of my decision of not getting

anymore vaccinations for my children.

Just know that you are doing the right thing for your child! I wish

that I would have researched this while I was pregnant because my

oldest son has severe allergies and asthma which I believe is from

vaccinating. Good luck in finding a doctor you will be happy with.

[Guest guest]

, there are ped out there that won't push it. There is one here

locally that has a ton of books in her office as to why we shouldn't

vaccinate and just as many as why we should. Plus, this ped does not believe

that you should take the Vitamin K shot...particularly for girls.

I have a friend that is a doula and she did not get the Vitamin K or the eye

ointment with her son. She said you could easily put some milk in his eyes,

but really you don't need it. Another thought on that would be colloidal

silver for the eyes...if you are really wanting something. She also

recommends having a plan. Print it out on the sheet, but still watch the

baby and don't let him go off on his own. Like someone already

said....sometimes, they still do these things. I would take several copies

of your birthing plan with you. Post one up in your room, give one to the

front desk, and have one on you or give it to the doc.

Donna

Homeschooling mom to 3

Hunter (6), (5), and Abigail (born still 6/12/04, waiting on us to

return HOME)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have a DO that my midwife recommended that has absolutely no

problem with us not vaxing.Never mentions it. I think his office is

a Glendale address.If you want more info please email me offlist.

in AZ

> Hello! I've been a member for a while, but just reading the list

of

> messages. Sorry, this is going to be a little long...

>

> I'm due in 3 weeks to have our first child. My husband and I have

> been researching vaccinations via some books and the internet.

> There are some that we are just not comfortable giving our child.

> We also do not plan on circumcizing and do not want to give the

> Vitamin K shot or the eye ointment in the hospital. We are

> definitely not giving Hep B!

>

> We asked for advice from our midwife, she said we don't have to do

> the eye ointment and Vitamin K is only necessary if you are

> circumcizing or in the event of 'traumatic birth' (forceps,

vacumm,

> etc) which is what I have read and believe as well. We asked for

> recommendations of a pediatrician and we saw the one she sees.

She

> said the practice was a little more flexible on vaccinations.

>

> Well, we met with the doctor she normally sees. The only vaccine

he

> was ok with us delaying(until teen years, he said) was the hep b.

> Everything else is just a " no brainer " according to him. He

didn't

> see any risks in vaccines and even brushed off the level of

mercury

> in vaccines asking me if I eat fish, which I don't, and said the

> mercury in vaccines is just a 'trace'. He dismissed all reports

of

> side effects from hep b shots and the MMR link to autism, saying

> that non-experts published these studies. He said he's an expert

> because he practices in pediatrics.

>

> I didn't expect to find a doctor that was fully no-vax friendly on

> the first try, my husband and I just didn't like his attitude

about

> vaccines having no risk. He even considered the Vitamin K a " no

> brainer " and was trying to push the eye ointment. I told him I

> understood what the eye ointment was for and I don't have any

STD's,

> I'm quite sure of it. He was like " it's just a little

antibiotic "

> but I see it as an unnecessary antibiotic, I'd also like my

newborn

> son to be able to see his mom and dad and not have goopy eyes!

>

> Anyways, he was OK as far as other areas were concerned, but our

> main issue is the vaccinations. I am declining Vitamin K at the

> hospital, my midwife is fine with that, as well as no eye

ointment.

> I am not giving my child a hep b shot, I've never had one and I

> don't have hepitits b, why should my newborn have the shot? Since

> we aren't doing the hep b the vaccination schedule starts at 2

> months, so we have a few weeks to keep looking for a new doctor.

>

> We just don't know where to look, I've asked friends, researched

the

> internet, etc. I've asked on no-vaccination message boards. I

> really need help or suggestions in finding a good doctor that

isn't

> going to push the vaccinations on my child & my family. We would

> like to make our own educated decisions without pressure.

>

> If anyone has any recommendations in the Phoenix area I would

> greatly appreciate it!

>

> Thanks in advance,

[Guest guest]

Without reading anybody else's responses, I got a doctor doing what

you did when I moved to IL a few years ago (I have since moved to OH

and found a like-minded physician following the same techniques).

I emailed this list, and in IL along with others responded. In

addition, I emailed an autism list (my son has high functioning

autism from vaccines). If you can, join an autism group at

that is in Phoenix, and ask for a doctor's name. It does not matter

that you have no child with autism, I guarantee you that somebody on

an autism list does NOT vaccinate and knows a physician that supports

them and will be HAPPY to provide you a name. In addition, there

will always be people in a La Leche Group that do not vaccinate.

I had a homebirth with my last because I wanted to avoid the vaccine

scene and because I have fast labors (no early labor-1 min

contractions 3 minutes apart from the start); my husband was working

an hour away; I did not know anybody to help drive me. Like in

IL, I went to Homefirst, which is the biggest homebirth practice run

by FP's. I had the same experience where my physician said it would

raise eyebrows if I refused the eye ointment, but not the Vitamin K

shot (like you, I was told that they would only do it if the birth

was traumatic-mine was not). What I was told differently is that the

eye ointment is not just for STD's. There is a lot of good/bad

bacteria in our vagina, and SOME babies who don't get the ointment

develop an eye infection (which can be treated with breastmilk

squirted in it).

What they don't tell you at the hospital is that the ointment does

not have to be applied at birth. Usually the baby is awake for

awhile after birth, then goes into a long sleep. If you decide to

get the ointment to avoid getting hassled, you can insist it be

applied when your baby goes to sleep. I did this, and by the time

she woke up, the stuff was mostly absorbed and I gently rubbed off

the rest with a sterile towel.

> Hello! I've been a member for a while, but just reading the list

of

> messages. Sorry, this is going to be a little long...

>

> I'm due in 3 weeks to have our first child. My husband and I have

> been researching vaccinations via some books and the internet.

> There are some that we are just not comfortable giving our child.

> We also do not plan on circumcizing and do not want to give the

> Vitamin K shot or the eye ointment in the hospital. We are

> definitely not giving Hep B!

>

> We asked for advice from our midwife, she said we don't have to do

> the eye ointment and Vitamin K is only necessary if you are

> circumcizing or in the event of 'traumatic birth' (forceps, vacumm,

> etc) which is what I have read and believe as well. We asked for

> recommendations of a pediatrician and we saw the one she sees. She

> said the practice was a little more flexible on vaccinations.

>

> Well, we met with the doctor she normally sees. The only vaccine

he

> was ok with us delaying(until teen years, he said) was the hep b.

> Everything else is just a " no brainer " according to him. He didn't

> see any risks in vaccines and even brushed off the level of mercury

> in vaccines asking me if I eat fish, which I don't, and said the

> mercury in vaccines is just a 'trace'. He dismissed all reports of

> side effects from hep b shots and the MMR link to autism, saying

> that non-experts published these studies. He said he's an expert

> because he practices in pediatrics.

>

> I didn't expect to find a doctor that was fully no-vax friendly on

> the first try, my husband and I just didn't like his attitude about

> vaccines having no risk. He even considered the Vitamin K a " no

> brainer " and was trying to push the eye ointment. I told him I

> understood what the eye ointment was for and I don't have any

STD's,

> I'm quite sure of it. He was like " it's just a little antibiotic "

> but I see it as an unnecessary antibiotic, I'd also like my newborn

> son to be able to see his mom and dad and not have goopy eyes!

>

> Anyways, he was OK as far as other areas were concerned, but our

> main issue is the vaccinations. I am declining Vitamin K at the

> hospital, my midwife is fine with that, as well as no eye

ointment.

> I am not giving my child a hep b shot, I've never had one and I

> don't have hepitits b, why should my newborn have the shot? Since

> we aren't doing the hep b the vaccination schedule starts at 2

> months, so we have a few weeks to keep looking for a new doctor.

>

> We just don't know where to look, I've asked friends, researched

the

> internet, etc. I've asked on no-vaccination message boards. I

> really need help or suggestions in finding a good doctor that isn't

> going to push the vaccinations on my child & my family. We would

> like to make our own educated decisions without pressure.

>

> If anyone has any recommendations in the Phoenix area I would

> greatly appreciate it!

>

> Thanks in advance,

[Guest guest]

My whole family goes to the DO. He also delivers lots of babies.He

prescribes way too many antibiotics in my opinion but I just don't

have them filled. <g> My main reason for using him is I was told I

wouldn't have any hassles about not vaxing and I haven't. He's great

if you're the type of person that doesn't go to the Dr. very often.

in AZ

> Hello! I've been a member for a while, but just reading the list

of

> messages. Sorry, this is going to be a little long...

>

> I'm due in 3 weeks to have our first child. My husband and I have

> been researching vaccinations via some books and the internet.

> There are some that we are just not comfortable giving our child.

> We also do not plan on circumcizing and do not want to give the

> Vitamin K shot or the eye ointment in the hospital. We are

> definitely not giving Hep B!

>

> We asked for advice from our midwife, she said we don't have to do

> the eye ointment and Vitamin K is only necessary if you are

> circumcizing or in the event of 'traumatic birth' (forceps,

vacumm,

> etc) which is what I have read and believe as well. We asked for

> recommendations of a pediatrician and we saw the one she sees.

She

> said the practice was a little more flexible on vaccinations.

>

> Well, we met with the doctor she normally sees. The only vaccine

he

> was ok with us delaying(until teen years, he said) was the hep b.

> Everything else is just a " no brainer " according to him. He

didn't

> see any risks in vaccines and even brushed off the level of

mercury

> in vaccines asking me if I eat fish, which I don't, and said the

> mercury in vaccines is just a 'trace'. He dismissed all reports

of

> side effects from hep b shots and the MMR link to autism, saying

> that non-experts published these studies. He said he's an expert

> because he practices in pediatrics.

>

> I didn't expect to find a doctor that was fully no-vax friendly on

> the first try, my husband and I just didn't like his attitude

about

> vaccines having no risk. He even considered the Vitamin K a " no

> brainer " and was trying to push the eye ointment. I told him I

> understood what the eye ointment was for and I don't have any

STD's,

> I'm quite sure of it. He was like " it's just a little

antibiotic "

> but I see it as an unnecessary antibiotic, I'd also like my

newborn

> son to be able to see his mom and dad and not have goopy eyes!

>

> Anyways, he was OK as far as other areas were concerned, but our

> main issue is the vaccinations. I am declining Vitamin K at the

> hospital, my midwife is fine with that, as well as no eye

ointment.

> I am not giving my child a hep b shot, I've never had one and I

> don't have hepitits b, why should my newborn have the shot? Since

> we aren't doing the hep b the vaccination schedule starts at 2

> months, so we have a few weeks to keep looking for a new doctor.

>

> We just don't know where to look, I've asked friends, researched

the

> internet, etc. I've asked on no-vaccination message boards. I

> really need help or suggestions in finding a good doctor that

isn't

> going to push the vaccinations on my child & my family. We would

> like to make our own educated decisions without pressure.

>

> If anyone has any recommendations in the Phoenix area I would

> greatly appreciate it!

>

> Thanks in advance,

[Guest guest]

- Thank you for your reply and best wishes! We will look into

a DO/Family practice doc.

That's a good point on the eye ointment, I never thought about

that. And we will keep a watch on our little one at ALL TIMES.

Thanks again!

> ,

>

> I can't help with the doc in Phoenix ... I live in Chicago! But I

will

> recommend looking at family practice over pediatricians. They are

sometimes

> less stringent on the idea of vax'ing. We have a family doc.

Liam's 16

> months old and we went at 1 week, 2 weeks, 6 weeks for weight

checks. I was

> nursing exclusively which I'd never done before and wanted to make

sure he

> was doing ok. I took him in at 6 months again, for reassurance

(silly momma

> of 3 LOL). We didn't go back until he was 13 months old and had

whooping

> cough - we were then back 2 more times for weight checks. We are

pretty

> comfortable knowing that our son is happy, healthy. I'm lucky in

that our

> group doesn't vax their own children. If no one on the board can

help,

> maybe give them a call and see if they know anyone in your area

> (www.homefirst.com).

>

> My 2nd is just a thought - I know I totally will be alone on this

one on

> this group LOL ..... IF you are having your baby in a hospital,

you might

> want to consider the eye antibiotic for one reason only ... MAN

ALIVE

> hospitals are nasty nasty places, just plain dirty and at least

this MIGHT

> afford the baby some protection against anything that a worker

might pass on

> to the baby's eyes. I know it sounds silly, but that was the only

thing I

> let them give my son ... there were other issues ... such as them

having to

> respond to the state because I didn't want it - to protect the

nurse's jobs

> ..... even the group I go to said that it was easier to let them

to this one

> thing, than to have CPS show up at my doorstep because of

overzealous

> personnel.

>

> Best Wishes on the impending birth of your new child!

>

> in IL

[Guest guest]

Sara- Thank you for your reply & congrats! Thanks for the support

too about leaving him intact, it's been difficult with some of the

negative comments we have recieved. But, we fill we are making the

best decision. The circumcision issue was the only issue this doc

had a clue on, he explained a lot about the forskin that I have

read. (I know people that left their son's intact and used vaseline

to lubricate it and retract the forskin before the child was even

1!)

I will keep talking to people and look for a DO or family practice,

that would probably be a better option as some people here have

posted.

And we will be sure someone will stay with baby every moment at the

hospital.

Thanks again for your reply!

-

> ,

> Congrats on the impending birth of your son and THANK YOU for

keeping him intact as is every child's right!

> Try asking through LLL,at hfs's,or chiro offices for a decent

doctor.I was linked to our current ped through a wife of a chiro I

met online. I just scanned through your post(cooking breaskfast over

here),but wanted to make sure you find a doctor who has common sense

when it comes to normal male anatomy(and not retracting). Just for

the hell off it you can drop off a list of vaccine injuires covered

by NVICP to the idiot ped who said vaccines cause no harm.I mean DUH!

> Best wishes finding someone.Never let that baby out of

sight.Vaccines and circumcision happen despite refusal forms!

> Sara

[Guest guest]

- Thank you so much for your reply. We will look into finding

a DO, that is a great suggestion. My husband and I see a DO so we

will talk to her about it, I never thought about that before.

Thanks again.

> It will probably be hard finding a pediatrician to respect your

> decision on not vaccinating. They believe you are putting your

> child's health at risk by not vaccinating. You may be able to find

> one that won't be as pushy though. I took my son to a D.O. and he

> still believed in vaccinating but not starting them until they are

2

> years old. However, he was respectful of my decision of not

getting

> anymore vaccinations for my children.

>

> Just know that you are doing the right thing for your child! I

wish

> that I would have researched this while I was pregnant because my

> oldest son has severe allergies and asthma which I believe is from

> vaccinating. Good luck in finding a doctor you will be happy with.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Donna, for your reply. We will keep looking and look into

a D.O. I have heard about using breastmilk for the baby's eyes, if

needed. We do have a birth plan and will take a few copies, and

either my husband, myself or my mom will acompany the baby at all

times.

Thanks again!

> , there are ped out there that won't push it. There is one

here

> locally that has a ton of books in her office as to why we

shouldn't

> vaccinate and just as many as why we should. Plus, this ped does

not believe

> that you should take the Vitamin K shot...particularly for girls.

>

> I have a friend that is a doula and she did not get the Vitamin K

or the eye

> ointment with her son. She said you could easily put some milk in

his eyes,

> but really you don't need it. Another thought on that would be

colloidal

> silver for the eyes...if you are really wanting something. She also

> recommends having a plan. Print it out on the sheet, but still

watch the

> baby and don't let him go off on his own. Like someone already

> said....sometimes, they still do these things. I would take

several copies

> of your birthing plan with you. Post one up in your room, give one

to the

> front desk, and have one on you or give it to the doc.

>

> Donna

> Homeschooling mom to 3

> Hunter (6), (5), and Abigail (born still 6/12/04, waiting

on us to

> return HOME)

[Guest guest]

- Thanks for your reply. I will check into the autism groups,

that's a great suggestion.

I also didn't know that the eye ointment didn't have to be applied

at birth and that it could be delayed. My main concern was the

first few hours of bonding with our baby, I want him to be able see

us. It wouldn't be so bad when he goes to sleep. I'll discuss that

further with my midwife.

Thanks for the suggestions, I really appreciate it!

-

> Without reading anybody else's responses, I got a doctor doing

what

> you did when I moved to IL a few years ago (I have since moved to

OH

> and found a like-minded physician following the same techniques).

>

> I emailed this list, and in IL along with others responded.

In

> addition, I emailed an autism list (my son has high functioning

> autism from vaccines). If you can, join an autism group at

> that is in Phoenix, and ask for a doctor's name. It does not

matter

> that you have no child with autism, I guarantee you that somebody

on

> an autism list does NOT vaccinate and knows a physician that

supports

> them and will be HAPPY to provide you a name. In addition, there

> will always be people in a La Leche Group that do not vaccinate.

>

> I had a homebirth with my last because I wanted to avoid the

vaccine

> scene and because I have fast labors (no early labor-1 min

> contractions 3 minutes apart from the start); my husband was

working

> an hour away; I did not know anybody to help drive me. Like

in

> IL, I went to Homefirst, which is the biggest homebirth practice

run

> by FP's. I had the same experience where my physician said it

would

> raise eyebrows if I refused the eye ointment, but not the Vitamin

K

> shot (like you, I was told that they would only do it if the birth

> was traumatic-mine was not). What I was told differently is that

the

> eye ointment is not just for STD's. There is a lot of good/bad

> bacteria in our vagina, and SOME babies who don't get the ointment

> develop an eye infection (which can be treated with breastmilk

> squirted in it).

>

> What they don't tell you at the hospital is that the ointment does

> not have to be applied at birth. Usually the baby is awake for

> awhile after birth, then goes into a long sleep. If you decide to

> get the ointment to avoid getting hassled, you can insist it be

> applied when your baby goes to sleep. I did this, and by the time

> she woke up, the stuff was mostly absorbed and I gently rubbed off

> the rest with a sterile towel.

>