RE: Re: Refusal of C-section is murder?

[Guest guest]

Here here! To my mind, not knowing the whole issue here but trying to

read between the lines - the issue isn't that this poor mother didn't

have the C-Section - it is that she didn't obey the orders of the gods

(her doctors) so now, fire and brimstone are raining down on her. It is

time that we didn't buy into the crap that the media and the mainstream

always try to feed us - it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth,

anyway. ;-)

Take care,

Meryl

[Norton AntiSpam] Re: Refusal of C-section is

murder?

Come on now, ladies. Why is it you are able to see what goes on with

vaccines, but not with childbirth?

As many people have pointed out, obviously the whole story is not being

told.

And it is extremely unfair of you to judge in this way. When you choose

to

have a baby, you have to weigh the risks of the hospital vs home, and

unassisted vs midwife, etc. There are no guarantees. It is

statistically safer to

have an at home unassisted birth than any other way. Does this

guarantee there

will be no problems? Of course not!

I had one induced hospital birth, two at home with a midwife and one

just my

husband and I. When you have a baby at home you are assuming the

responsibility of your own health and your baby's health. JUST AS when

you do not

vaccinate (we do not, after our oldest was injured), you assume

responsibility for

your child's health. Do you think the argument from the medical

profession

would sound any different if your unvaccinated child happened to

contract a

" vaccine preventable " disease? PLEASE!

When you walk into the OB's office and submit to the hospital's

treatments

and tests you are absolving yourself of responsibility. You hand

everything

over to them. Exactly as we do when we vaccinate our children. Then we

have

lost our voice and our ability to protect our children, whether born or

unborn.

Jen

In a message dated 3/12/04 8:21:35 PM Central Standard Time,

mkphilpot@... writes:

A childhood friend (who incidentally was the first person I " knew " who

wasn't

planning on vaxing her children) attempted to have an unassisted home

delivery a few years ago. Her water broke, and she was in labor for 36+

hours with

no progress before her family finally talked her into going to the

hospital.

By that time she had developed an infection, the baby was born and died

a short

time later from the infection. A totally preventable death, but she was

never charged with anything.

<<

In this situation though, I think that the fact that they told her there

was

no other options for the babies survival, and the baby was in fetal

distress

back in December and she was told a C-Section was necessary, makes her

accountable for the babies death. It may or may not have implications

on other

issues, but I agree with what the authorities are doing in regards to

this.

Some people may say that her lawyer said she has what he classifies a

" major

mental illness " .....So why did she not have someone with guardian with

Medical

Power of Attorney to help her in her decisions for her care for the

health of

herself and her unborn children? If a person is diagnosed with a

problem

most psychologists in my area anyway, make an effort to insure that

someone with

a condition in which they cannot make decisions for themselves are

provided

with a guardian for this purpose. I currently am for my father whom

cannot make

medical decisions for himself because he has irrational thoughts and

fears.

(he's bi-polar). I personally think her lawyer is trying to play the

" mental

illness card " here.

Just my 2cents!

Ellen

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[Guest guest]

i wholeheartedly agree with you, meryl! we don't know

what really happened and it's no secret that the media

only report as they're told by their superiors who

have no interest in getting any truth known about

whatever subject...

claudia

--- meryl dorey <meryl@...> wrote: > Here

here! To my mind, not knowing the whole issue

> here but trying to

> read between the lines - the issue isn't that this

> poor mother didn't

> have the C-Section - it is that she didn't obey the

> orders of the gods

> (her doctors) so now, fire and brimstone are raining

> down on her. It is

> time that we didn't buy into the crap that the media

> and the mainstream

> always try to feed us - it leaves a really bad taste

> in my mouth,

> anyway. ;-)

>

> Take care,

> Meryl

>

> [Norton AntiSpam] Re:

> Refusal of C-section is

> murder?

>

>

> Come on now, ladies. Why is it you are able to see

> what goes on with

> vaccines, but not with childbirth?

> As many people have pointed out, obviously the whole

> story is not being

> told.

>

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[Guest guest]

At 08:11 AM 03/14/2004 +1100, you wrote:

>Here here! To my mind, not knowing the whole issue here but trying to

>read between the lines - the issue isn't that this poor mother didn't

>have the C-Section - it is that she didn't obey the orders of the gods

>(her doctors) so now, fire and brimstone are raining down on her. It is

>time that we didn't buy into the crap that the media and the mainstream

>always try to feed us - it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth,

>anyway. ;-)

>

>Take care,

>Meryl

My feelings exactly

1. not enough info in the article

2. who knows if anything in the article is true

3. who knows who her doctors are - I know of tons of zealot doctors who

c-section anyone and throw you out of their practice if you won't have

another

4. huge movement to have a VBAC (vaginal birth after c-section) - and many

many are successful. Know of a woman in California who's doctors threw her

out of the practice so she went to a midwife and delivered just fine

5. who knows if the woman needed someone to be making decisions for her if

mentally disturbed or not able to make her own decisions - if that is the

case, not her fault either

6. maybe she willfully took risks - we just don't know

7. never hear this story in the news if the doctors did a Csection and baby

died, do you now

8. and are many disturbed women out there having babies

9. in UK many women were in prison accused of killing their babies and have

in the last year, one at a time released, as other things finally proven or

not enough evidence to maintain convictions - death after vaccines, SIDS,

etc.

Yes, how tragic to lose a baby and then be blamed for it.

Many now are accused of killing their babies

Shaken Baby Syndrome and actually are vaccine damage or other disorders

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/shakenbaby.htm

So, who knows the truth

http://www.vbac.com/

http://www.childbirth.org/section/VBACindex.html

http://www.womenshealthchannel.com/vbac/index.shtml

http://www.vbac.org.uk

http://www.homebirth.org.uk/vbac.htm

http://www.ican-online.org/

http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/homevbac.html

http://www.mothering.com/11-0-0/html/11-4-0/11-4-0.shtml

http://www.birthrites.org/vbac.html

http://www.mothering.com/11-0-0/html/11-4-0/vbac-lash.shtml

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[Guest guest]

And NOT ONE OF US knows the facts here

So why do we go on and on

At 03:00 PM 03/13/2004 -0800, you wrote:

>It was my understanding that she was on some serious drugs while

>pregnant...they let her take her baby home....this is a tuff case...I don't

>think she should have been allowed to make decisions like that or keep her

>baby. But then again...I don't want my right as a parent to decline a

>proceedure...grr...like those religious groups that don't allow their

>children to be treated at all and then the child dies..I really struggle

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