Re: OT: Meredith's ENT//sue

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> I am a tube expert. LOL

Glad to have ya around then

> The 12 weeks sounds right. My ENT told

> me that he likes to try and clear fluid up with antihis??.

See they didnt' do any antihistamines at all, and just the ear

popping thing (no sue I didn't ask the ENT about it, he was rather

abrupt with things)

If that does not

> work. A normal ear will clear in 3 months. After 3 months it is

unlikely the

> ear will drain.

The first sign we had of this was at her 6yr well child check when

she failed the hearing test. That was the end of October (10-29), so

it's been almost 9 weeks, and the surgery will be at the 12 week

stage. Granted she could have had this problem much longer, I guess

I just feel like he isn't interested in trying to figure out why she

has this problem, just take care of it.

The other thing that bothers me about it is Meredith has a very nasel

sounding voice at times and so bad at points it is hard to understand

what she is saying. I *personally* feel the 2 are connected, but the

Dr isn't interested at all into looking into what may be causing it.

I guess I figure if they can correct that it will help correct her

ear problems as well. Maybe I'm just not medically educated enough

to understand why they are just jumping right to the tubes. Yes, I

know it is a very minor surgery and really nothing to worry about,

but after all it is my child, and I'm allowed to worry

Probably do to your

> daughters age is why the want her sleeping. They probably would

use what they

> call twilight sleep. This is just a drug via IV that puts them out

so they

> dont move.

Nope... I was able to at least ask that question I asked if he

meant a twilight sleep or general anesthesia, if there would be an IV

involved or what. He told me they give them some oral versed (sp) to

relax them before they take them back to the OR and then they use a

general anesthesia thru mask to knock them out.

>Do yourself a favor get the phonebook out and call

> other ENT and ask there procedure making sure you specify age of

child and it is

> regular tubes.

I'll have to look, but from what I understood from the Ped's office

when they set up the appointment all the local ENT " s went into a

group together (this group) and that is where everyone goes. I will

have to do some looking.

>My 9 yr old has one left in her ear. For me my hearing was

> better BUT I did not have the fullness feeling.

She doesn't really complaine of either, just happened to catch her

hearing loss at the well child check. I'm wondering how much of a

difference she will notice.

From Sue:

>Does you insurance allow, or even demand, a second opinion? You

>might want

>to do that, anyway.

I called the Ped's office and will be taking her back in next week

just so I can get his take on it. If he feels a second opinion by an

ENT is recommended I will take her. I trust the Ped, just not the

derm that he first sent us to. From what I understand he didn't

specify that particular Derm, just who the referral people sent us

to. From now on I have him specify who he sends us to.

>I'm an RN since the 1970's and *I* don't trust most doctors!

LOL... Well, normally I don't fully trust them either, I look into

things on line as much as possible. I have gotten pretty good at

understanding medical language, I did start doing some searching last

night but didn't have much time to look at much. I will be doing

more searching today.

Thanks for all your input!

a

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>Yes, I

> know it is a very minor surgery and really nothing to worry about,

> but after all it is my child, and I'm allowed to worry

Heck, I'd be scared to death, too! Nothing is " minor " as far as a child is

concerned.

> when they set up the appointment all the local ENT " s went into a

> group together (this group) and that is where everyone goes.

Now *that* sucks! I'm going to assume that all second opinions now will just

verify what the first doc says, right or wrong.

> I will be doing

> more searching today.

Your peds doc will be able to answer your question about the anesthetic, I

guess. If this ENT place does a lot of this procedure in-house, and I'll

assume the majority of their patients are kids, they *should* know what

they're doing. Just make sure your insurance covers out-patient surgery done

outside of a hospital. Some of these company have some weird, tricky rules

that you never find out about until it's too late.

Sue in NJ

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In a message dated 12/30/03 10:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, amm@... writes:

Meredith has a very nasel

sounding voice at times and so bad at points it is hard to understand

what she is saying. I *personally* feel the 2 are connected, but the

Dr isn't interested at all into looking into what may be causing it.

How old? My daughter was 7 1/2 and was getting sick ALLthe time. She slept with her mouth wide open. She was very nasally. I kept asking adnoids adnoids. They kept saying NO NO NO NO... Everytime I would ask we were there for a sick visit and would see NP. So I made an appointment just to discuss the adnoids. Of course she was sick as a dog. LOL I said my case and of course the dr said most likely not. BUT to appese me did the xray. (really the only way to tell). Was he red. Idiot... I was sent immediately to ent downstairs. I was so confident she was going to need ent I made an appointment to coninside with the dr. Dr thought she should have sleep apenea it was so bad. We decided on tubes, tonsils (do to they were big) and adnoids. They gave her the VERCET to make her sleepy. Then off she went. Long recovery. But man what a world of difference. Not as sick. The dr said her adnoids were so big that he almost had to stop becasuse he could not get the scapel threw. Said she would be up there for one of his biggest sets to be removed. So ask for the xray.

Unfortunately there is no clinical reason for fluid. Something to do with the justation (sp) tube not draining. Mine are so messed up with scare tissue is the reason. BUT it is normal with kids. BUT if you think she has an adnoids problem insist on xray so she wont have to have 2 surgeries. Abby should of had hers out alot earlier.

NH

Mommy to Abby Liz 10-25-94

Mommy to Anne 7-1-99

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In a message dated 12/31/03 8:46:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, amm@... writes:

Didn't it just kill you to let them take her? Hubby

With us they let DADDY carry her right into the OR and she was asleep by the time he left the room. For me I could not carry her in do to the amount of surgeries I have had. I know to much. LOL

They kept telling me she should outgrow it to. She always was nasally and slept funny. BUT it was about age 7 1/2 that she was constantly sick. Her adnoids were so enlarged they think she had a growth spurt and it just kept getting worse. As I said they were shocked she did not stop breathing in her sleep.

NH

Mommy to Abby Liz 10-25-94

Mommy to Anne 7-1-99

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> How old? My daughter was 7 1/2 and was getting sick ALLthe time.

She slept

> with her mouth wide open. She was very nasally.

She is 6, snores when she sleeps but isn't normally sick, just sounds

like she needs an antihistamine frequently.

>So I made an appointment just to discuss the

> adnoids.

I will discuss this with the Ped when we go in on Wed, maybe convince

him to take an X-ray (he is very good about doing things like that

for me see what he thinks and then maybe have a consult with the

ENT if necessary. The ENT did say she sounded naselly, but that

she " should " outgrow that by the time she is 12. That once this set

of tubes fell out if she needed a second set he might do something

about it then.

They gave her the

> VERCET to make her sleepy. Then off she went. Long recovery. But

man what

> a world of difference.

Didn't it just kill you to let them take her? Hubby had a short talk

with her the night after the appointment because she was asking

questions and I was upstairs. I guess she asked what they were going

to do and she seems fine with it so I will have to hold it together

for her.

> Unfortunately there is no clinical reason for fluid. Something to

do with

> the justation (sp) tube not draining.

Yes, but something caused the fluid to build up in the eustachian

tube. I know.. maybe I'm looking at it all wrong. Here is some info

from : http://www.facialbeauty.com/mi/EusTubeDysf.html

" This tube can be quite problematic and dysfunctional for a variety

of reasons. The main reasons tend to stem from problems within the

nose and sinuses, specifically allergies and allergic rhinitis, as

well as upper respiratory tract infections, sinusitis and routine

colds can cause problems to the eustachian tube. Other problems

include adenoid enlargement, adenoiditis and obstruction of the

eustachian tube due to polyps. "

So I'm thinking with her naselly voice and all that *something* has

to be the cause and why not find out what *that* is and treat it

first. Then if there is still a problem put tubes in. I guess the

fact that he saw her for less then 5 mins (more like 3) said yep,

ears still full of fluid, put tubes in, general anesthesia, any

questions? and pushed us out the door as I was dragging my heels just

made me question even more. I'm sure our Ped will explaine a bit

more and be a little better, he is very personable, won't rush and

has a couple of kids of his own. We talk a little about his personal

life as well.. which reminds me he wife should be due soon I think

(yep another baby, I didn't think to ask if it was twins again).

Anyhow.. enough talking to myself outloud

BUT if you think she has an

> adnoids problem insist on xray so she wont have to have 2

surgeries. Abby should of

> had hers out alot earlier.

>

Thanks! Like I said I will be sure to ask about the xray and I'm

sure he'll do it just to please me

a