RE: Dietician today...

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Hey a my 9 yr old gained upwards up 25 lbs in one year. After her surgery last year she gained and gained. So as the dr said she is still on chart. AND when she was last weighed there it was post surgery so she would of been at her lowest. We do afternoon snacks have to be fruit, veggie, or yogurt. THEN on fridays it is a treat.

NH

Mommy to Abby Liz 10-25-94

Mommy to Anne 7-1-99

[Guest guest]

> they decided to send us to the nutritionist because of " rapid

> weight gain " . I didn't have a problem with that because she has put

> on about 10lbs in 6 months.

Some doctors should be shot. A child had a growth spurt and no longer looks

like a stick figure - oh, heavens! We've got to put a stop to *that* right

away!

> I don't understand, but figured it would be fine to see the

> nutritionist to see if she had any suggestions.

I'm *really* surprised they didn't put that poor girl on a 1000 calorie diet

like they did with me at age 11. And back then they weren't obsessed with

" childhood obesity " like they are now.

> I don't know if I ever mentioned it or not but when I was her age my

> mom took me to a specialist and I remember how horrible the

> appointment was, how he brought in 8 or so med students to " get a

> look at me " and so on.

Don't you remember that we're all freaks of nature, that the human female

isn't supposed to have any curves or weigh more than what insurance

actuaries say we should?

> chips because she says she is hungry and I offer her an apple instead

> if she says no she wants more chips then I am supposed to let her

> have them. I *personally* feel if she doesnt' want an apple or

> something else then she isn't *that* hungry,

I agree with you. Whenever I packed Henry's school lunch as a kid, he had

his sandwich, one junk food snack (chips, cookies, etc.) and some fruit. He

would bring the fruit home then complain to me I didn't give him enough to

eat, he was still hungry. Well, if he ate his banana he wouldn't *be* hungry

now, would he?

>There are a

> couple of ways to avoid that though and that would be not to have

> chips for lunch

Well, that would be the healthiest way to do it, as long as nobody else is

eating those chips around her. That's one thing that pissed me off when the

doc had me on my 1000 calories as a little kid. Here I was, with my measured

out, bland, tasteless food, while my 2 brothers and parents had all the

" normal " foods - the meats, the mashed potatoes with butter, the desserts.

Sheer torture! So not only was I being physically abused (starvation diet)

but psychologically, too.

> Meredith's goal right now is to get in more

> fruits and veggies and watch less TV.

Easily do-able, as long as the rest of the family also eats more fruit and

veggies and watches less tv, too.

>> The dietician gave us a few reward system ideas to help trying to

> keep her on eating 5 servings of fruit and veggies a day.

You should use this for all the kids, not just her, so *they* don't feel

deprived, or do all of them already get in these amounts?

> dieticians idea of Veggies includes both potatoes and Corn though

> which I don't think is right,

They *are* both veggies, with the vitamins to prove it, as opposed to a

grain, which is how weight-loss experts treat them. Just don't serve all 5

in these starchy veggies but a nice mix of greens & yellows (well, corn *is*

considered a " yellow " veggie), too.

> Anyhow... otherwise she seems to think we are doing fine with her

> foods and what we are eating around the house. It was good to hear

> it from another person, that we are doing what we are supposed to be

> doing.

Treasure this dietician! Send her a Christmas and birthday gift! Mail her a

thank-you card! Send her flowers! LOL

She probably realizes that Meredith comes from a family where the women are

big, thanks to genetics, and as long as she eats healthy foods and gets

enough exercise, there's nothing wrong with having a little meat on her

bones.

Sue in NJ

from hearty, hefty stock herself

[Guest guest]

> Some doctors should be shot. A child had a growth spurt and no

longer looks

> like a stick figure - oh, heavens! We've got to put a stop to

*that* right

> away!

>

What's funny is she doesn't look that " overweight " to me. Then again

I'm her mom so maybe I biased. I would never look at her and think..

oh my gosh what is her mother feeding her, and then feel bad for her

because of what I went thru, but who knowes maybe someone else does.

> I'm *really* surprised they didn't put that poor girl on a 1000

calorie diet

> like they did with me at age 11. And back then they weren't

obsessed with

> " childhood obesity " like they are now.

>

LOL.. they could try, but there is no way I would let them I had

already told the dietician that we do not make food a big issue and

don't plan to either. I mean, yes eat healthy, but I'm not going to

deprive her either.

> Don't you remember that we're all freaks of nature, that the human

female

> isn't supposed to have any curves or weigh more than what insurance

> actuaries say we should?

>

I know.. I had a hard time bringing it up with my mom last night, the

fact that I talked with the dietician before the appointment because

of my " trauma " as a child. I know at the time my mom thought she was

doing what was best for me. I just don't want her (Meredith) to go

thru what I did as a child, all the diets, all the teasing, all the

you'd be so pretty if you only lost some weight. I even had my

grandmother offer me $1 for every pound I lost. I had my dad offer

me new clothes if I lost weight, it was an issue all the time and I

think it only compounded problems. Then you toss the PCOS/insulin

resistance on top of that and well... we all know where I ended up.

I look back at pictures of me at 12 and even 18 and think ya know I

was big, but I wasn't nearly as big as I pictured myself. I don't

want her growing up with such a poor self image.

>

> I agree with you. Whenever I packed Henry's school lunch as a kid,

he had

> his sandwich, one junk food snack (chips, cookies, etc.) and some

fruit. He

> would bring the fruit home then complain to me I didn't give him

enough to

> eat, he was still hungry. Well, if he ate his banana he wouldn't

*be* hungry

> now, would he?

>

LOL... I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that! She told me

it was more about control of food, that Meredith needed to be in

control of how much of what she ate, but I was the one in control of

what she was served. So if something was served then she could eat

as much of it as she wanted, but we were to also discuss things like

Pooh Bear eating too much honey and getting stuck in the hole, and

that Pooh only at that much honey because he wasn't really hungry,

but because he just liked honey. Sooo she has to decided for

herself if she is hungry, or just likes the food. I think that is

alot to ask of a 6yr old, but the dietician seemed to think that

Meredith could do that.

> Well, that would be the healthiest way to do it, as long as nobody

else is

> eating those chips around her. That's one thing that pissed me off

when the

> doc had me on my 1000 calories as a little kid.

Oh Sue, you know me better then that! I would never serve something

to everyone but her. I have enough issues with food myself without

passing on any to Meredith! We treat food pretty much the same with

all the kids. If they don't like something we are having for dinner

too bad for them, it is going on their plate. They don't have to eat

it, but they aren't getting anything special instead either. If

their food has something they dont' like it in they can pick it out.

I will on with Pizza make sure to keep area's free of things, or with

salads I will pick out the tomatoes for the 2 that dont' like them,

but otherwise they are eating the same thing. If I make a Pasta

Salad with all the veggies in it (normally as many veggies as pasta)

they get to pick out the stuff they dont' like them selves.

> Here I was, with my measured

> out, bland, tasteless food, while my 2 brothers and parents had all

the

> " normal " foods - the meats, the mashed potatoes with butter, the

desserts.

> Sheer torture! So not only was I being physically abused

(starvation diet)

> but psychologically, too.

>

Yep! That will NOT happen here! I don't think I will have that

problem with the dietician though and if I do I will tell her where

she can stick it.

> Easily do-able, as long as the rest of the family also eats more

fruit and

> veggies and watches less tv, too.

>

That is where it gets a little more difficult I do eat a

different lunch then they do, but only because *I* want my veggie

stirfry or salad for lunch and a apple or banana for snack while they

want their sandwiches and chips or something like that for lunch and

crackers, pretzles, chips, and somtimes an apple for snack. I won't

let the other 2 have something that she can't have for snack though

either. If one of them has an apple, they all have apples and so on

I won't have her eating differently then the other 2.

>

> You should use this for all the kids, not just her, so *they* don't

feel

> deprived, or do all of them already get in these amounts?

>

Nope.. they all eat the same SO yep, that will probablly help as

well, it isn't going to hurt them to eat better!

> They *are* both veggies, with the vitamins to prove it, as opposed

to a

> grain, which is how weight-loss experts treat them. Just don't

serve all 5

> in these starchy veggies but a nice mix of greens & yellows (well,

corn *is*

> considered a " yellow " veggie), too.

>

I guess I've just gotten it so stuck in my head that they are

starchy/carbs that they are NOT veggies LOL.... can you tell I

*try* to avoid them as veggies? LOL

> Treasure this dietician! Send her a Christmas and birthday gift!

Mail her a

> thank-you card! Send her flowers! LOL

>

LOL... I don't think she will be a problem to work with. I think she

was amazed when she started asking questions about what they ate and

drank. I think she was expecting to find alot of juices (which we

don't do) and sugary drinks. The kids tend to drink water or diet

pop. The diet pop is *maybe* once a week if that. I think she was

expecting to hear all about the carb loaded meals with white

bread/rice and potatoes. I think she was expecting to hear all about

the cookies that the kids were eating and so on.. you know the

typical american junk food diet. Now the only problem will come is

if like so many dieticians she starts to doubt what we are eating.

So far so good though I think the fact that most of the questions

about food were answered by Meredith, and I just added in that it was

wheat crackers, or wheat bread, or half wheat/white pasta and so on,

so I don't think it will be an issue.

> She probably realizes that Meredith comes from a family where the

women are

> big, thanks to genetics, and as long as she eats healthy foods and

gets

> enough exercise, there's nothing wrong with having a little meat on

her

> bones.

>

Yep, I do come from a large family, I can't think of one of my Aunts

that is a " normal " weight and I only have one uncle that the last

time I saw him he was in the " normal " range, but it has been several

years since he lives in South Carolina. So yep.. I'm from a large

stock

a

(who is now thining of herself as cattle! LOL>...... )

[Guest guest]

I wish I had

> some money for some new clothes that fit and look sharp.

>

Ann,

What size are you? I am getting rid of all my 18's and wouldn't mind

sending you some if they would work. I am really tall though so if you

aren't you would have to hem them (I think we talked about this one time).

My 16's still fit, but some are very loose, so I will probably have to get

rid of those in a couple of months. We really should swap clothes more on

the list. I recently sent 2 garbage bags to a friend; they were mostly

20-22 (with a few 18's mixed in). Anyway, she kept what she wanted, let her

daughter choose what she wanted, and then gave the rest to the clothes

closet at her church. (Mine doesn't have one) Now, I have a denim wrap

skirt that is about an 18 that I LOVE, but it doesn't look right on me

anymore. I also have some flat front khakis and a pair of flat front black

pants. And some shirts and things.

One other thing I recommend is going to your local beauty school. At mine,

I can get a manicure for $5, a pedicure for $9, and can get my hair

highlighted for $30 (it is REALLY long). They also offer make-up lessons

and other things. I just had my 20 year old cousin some show me what is

cool in eye makeup. Mine still kind of screamed 1980s, which was when I

learned how to do make up to begin with.

I find it much easier to stay on my plan when I have clothes that I feel

pretty in and a decent hair style. My hair is down to the middle of my

back, and if I don't do something with it I start to look like I belong to

one of those no make up/no hair cut religious sects. I don't mean to

criticize anyone's faith, but lets just say it is not the look I am shooting

for. I guess, when I have made an effort at looking my best, I feel more

worth taking care of. I know that is probably indicative of some serious

issues on my part, but, well, I am of the if it works don't mess with it

philosophy.

Anyway, I hate it when you see women who don't take care of themselves

because they are fat. I have heard women say, " When I get this weight off,

I am getting the full works! Hair, make up, clothes.... " Well, don't wait!

Do it now! I know Sue will shoot me, but I never could embrace the fat

acceptance movement. I hate every cell of cellulite on my body. I did not

feel beautiful at my heaviest. I did however fell like I looked better with

a cute hairdo, nice make up, and clothes that fit my body and were at least

making an effort to be in style. I never pay full price for anything, but

Goodwill has some great stuff! I go about once a week. Half the time, I

don't buy anything. But the other times....WOW! I recently got 2 pair of

CK jeans for $3 each. They look new, were starched, and one pair is button

fly! (Very Stylish) So, you can find the new clothes and hair; and you can

do it on the cheap!

Ok, rant over.

Best Wishes!

Cherilyn

[Guest guest]

Ok, this is a pet peeve of mine. I was a kid in the 70's who couldn't get a

tonsillectomy because they had been so over done in the past that the

medical community shied from doing them at all. Then in the 90's my boys

had difficulty getting medication to treat their chemical imbalances,

because all most every little boy in the 80's was put on Ritalin and doctors

were afraid to use any similar medications. I think the same thing is

happening with childhood obesity. Our culture has moved more toward

sedentary/junk food quaffing lifestyle, so kids are heavier. That is

certainly an issue, but it is a parenting issue. Put a limit on the

TV/video games and keep healthier food in the house. Don't treat the child

as if they have a disease. It makes me mad when doctors overreact. My kids

(who are all small and thin) always chunk up a bit right before a growth

spurt. Then suddenly, they are 3 inches taller and thin again. If I take

them to the doctor at the chunky times, they want to evaluate their weight

and put them on an " increased activity plan. " If I take them in after a

growth spurt, they want me to start sneaking malt into their chocolate milk.

They just don't get that different weights and sizes are normal for

different people. I also think that the kids who really do have a weight or

growth issue get missed due to all the overreaction. My little cousin just

turned 10 in November. She is 5'5 " and very heavy for her height. She

wears a size 18. I think she is a child who might actually have a growth

hormone issue or a thyroid issue. However, their doctor just keeps saying

limit food and increase exercise. They do, and she stays big. We have a

family history of thyroid and pancreas disorders, but they have yet to run a

panel. (I would have switched doctors and thrown a big fit to get it done,

but that is me.)

a, I don't know about you, but the chip thing is a financial issue at my

house. My boys would eat an entire box of crackers if I let them. I did

finally make a deal with them though. If they want to eat big bulk, they

have to choose an off brand cracker. If they want a more expensive brand

they get twice the standard serving. In that way, they feel more in

control, but I don't go broke feeding them. I also say enough chips, if you

are hungry, eat another 1/2 sandwich or some fruit. I guess your dietician

would think I was awful! Oh, well, let see her feed 6 on less than $400 a

month! ;o)

Cherilyn

[Guest guest]

Put a limit on the

> TV/video games and keep healthier food in the house. Don't treat

the child

> as if they have a disease. It makes me mad when doctors

overreact.

I agree with this to some extent, and yes, alot of it is parenting

choices. I mean I see kids who weigh so much more then Meredith does

and I bet their Dr's haven't sent them to a nutritionist, but so far

it has been a positive experience and as long as it continues to be

positive I will continue with it. If I feel at anytime it isn't

going well, or something is said that I don't agree with I will first

off let the dietician know and I will secondly not be back.

I'm kind of knowen in that Dr's office of having opinions and

sticking to my guns There is a new Ped in the office, new out of

med school, not married, no kids and questioned me about every single

bruise my childern had... where did it come from? Like I have a

clue? Heck I don't even know where 10% of my bruises come from and

you expect me to know what my kids did to get a small bruise on their

leg or arm? I don't think so.. I felt like I had been interrogated

as a child abuser. I made my opinion knowen to the other staff and I

REFUSE to have my children seen by him. *IF* he is the only Ped

avaliable in the office for a sick child visit I will take my kids to

an after hours clinic before I will see him again. I did ask one of

the nurses (who I went to school with) if he had gotten any better

and she said a little, but I'm still not going to have my children

see him.

My kids

> (who are all small and thin) always chunk up a bit right before a

growth

> spurt. Then suddenly, they are 3 inches taller and thin again. If

I take

> them to the doctor at the chunky times, they want to evaluate their

weight

> and put them on an " increased activity plan. " If I take them in

after a

> growth spurt, they want me to start sneaking malt into their

chocolate milk.

LOL... I know how that is The problem with Meredith is that even

when she hits a growth spurt she is still a bit on the chunky side,

but when she puts on weight just before the spurt she is a bit more

chunky. I still don't see her as " obese " , but she is not on the

growth charts at all for her weight just like I was as a child.

> They just don't get that different weights and sizes are normal for

> different people. I also think that the kids who really do have a

weight or

> growth issue get missed due to all the overreaction. My little

cousin just

> turned 10 in November. She is 5'5 " and very heavy for her height.

She

> wears a size 18. I think she is a child who might actually have a

growth

> hormone issue or a thyroid issue. However, their doctor just keeps

saying

> limit food and increase exercise. They do, and she stays big.

This sounds like me as a child. My mom is a plus sized gal and I was

wearing her clothes in elementary/middle school and was bigger then

her by Jr.High. I am already concerned about insulin resistance and

PCO with her and figure the first signs of it I will be requesting

meds for it.

We have a

> family history of thyroid and pancreas disorders, but they have yet

to run a

> panel. (I would have switched doctors and thrown a big fit to get

it done,

> but that is me.)

>

Me too... well, at least with the Pancreas and my husband has

hypothyroidism so she will have both to deal with. And we will

probablly never have a family history with hubby so who knowes what

lays there.

> a, I don't know about you, but the chip thing is a financial

issue at my

> house. My boys would eat an entire box of crackers if I let them.

The chips are pretty cheap and do go a ways here depending on who all

is eating them. I NEVER pay full price for a bag, I wait for the buy

one get one free, half price sales. The most I will pay for a bag is

$2.00, and normally that is for Doritoes that we don't eat that

often.

I did

> finally make a deal with them though. If they want to eat big

bulk, they

> have to choose an off brand cracker. If they want a more expensive

brand

> they get twice the standard serving. In that way, they feel more in

> control, but I don't go broke feeding them.

That sounds like a plan! I know our finances are tight and now even

tighter after shopping yesterday, but I did get some good deals on

toys for the girls for christmas.

I also say enough chips, if you

> are hungry, eat another 1/2 sandwich or some fruit. I guess your

dietician

> would think I was awful! Oh, well, let see her feed 6 on less than

$400 a

> month! ;o)

LOL... I know exactly how that is! That is what I am supposed to try

and stick with for all 5 of us and that is including dog food, cat

food/litter, paper products, and anything else we pick up. It is

very difficult and normally I end up going over every month. I am

really REALLY going to have to work on it now because the 10% pay cut

and our new tax bill showed our taxes almost quadrupling this year

due to new millage and the tax man discovering we put a house where

the trailer used to be even though we put in for all the permits, he

never noticed it until this past year. Sooooo time for more belt

tightening!

a

[Guest guest]

but with your own medical

> history ie:PCOS and diabetes, I think it is only logical to keep an

eye on

> her little 'root-beer-belly' (Does anyone else remember that

commercial? I

> always loved it)

Oh I agree, I am ok with the dietician so far, nothing drastic has

been suggested, just normal healthy stuff that isn't way out there.

She said she like what she was hearing so I'm not worried (too much

I meant the kids who are simply chunky (and there are a lot

> of them) because they choose to do their bike riding on the cross-

country

> computer games instead of in 'real-life.' You have country kids; I

bet they

> get plenty of exercise!

I know the kids you are talking about Meredith and Miranda had one in

their classes for the past 3 years (she moved schools this year). I

felt so bad for her, I could tell she was wearing clothes that were

meant for someone much older then she was and they were even tight.

I just looked at her and could remember all that I went thru at her

age. When they did class T-shirts she was in an *adult* Medium

instead of a childrens Medium like most of the rest of the class.

Yep, they do get lost of running around in during the summer months,

not as much in the winter because it does get cold here in Michigan,

but they do like to slide in the snow when we have enough.

> Me too! I don't vaccinate (by informed choice not neglect) My

doctor just

> grins and hands me the little " Why you should vaccinate " papers

anyway.

>

Ya know... I've had my reservations about vaccinations, but in the

end went ahead with it. Now I did draw the line when the health

department told me Merediths HepB vaccination needed to be redone

because the last injection was too early by ONE day. I just tell the

school every year to had me the form to sign, no fuss no muss. I

honestly don't think alot of peole know they have a choice there.

They think if they want their kids going to a public school that they

*HAVE* to have their vaccinations and that just isn't true.

We have actually all gotten our flu vaccinations this year as well.

There were about 10 kids in the Detroit area that died suddenly last

year because of the flu. Hubby would rather be safe then sorry, so I

am guessing that from now on each fall they will be vaccinated.

> Imagine this scenario:

> Doctor: How did you get that mark on your back?

I had to LOL because *this* is almost exactly how it started with

that Dr. Miranda had crawled under the sink in the bathroom and had

gotten stuck (I have no idea how) anyhow... hubby went to pull her

out and she arched her back and caught it on the wooden divider so

she had a couple of scratches/bruises there that were almost healed.

> LOL It was a nightmare! My doc, had raised boys and would have

understood.

> This fill-in woman was just sure that I had a rack to torture him

in the

> basement! I never saw her again, but heard of 2 families that she

> threatened to call CPS on when there was NO reason at all.

This has been my worry with Meredith and her 2 broken arms. I am

hoping the added calcium from the generic viactive will help. My Ped

knowes the girls and how rough they can get. I swear they are worse

then boys!

>One, the kid had

> dislocated his elbow at a soccer game in front of a crowd of people

and

Oh yes... Meredith had a black eye in November of last year before

she broke her arm in December. We had company over and the kids were

having a pillow fight in the other room she got knocked into the

coffee table and landed at the corner point right next to her eye, it

was all swollen by the next day. Then a couple of weeks after that

she had another one that was not nearly as bad, but I can't remember

what she did now... all I know is I must of looked like a horrible

mom I felt so bad, and she got soooo tired of telling everyone how it

happened.

Soo lets see 2 black eyes and 2 broken arms in about 8 months

time... guess I won't win a mother of the year award huh?

the

> other the kid had an infection in her hip joint that the woman

misdiagnosed

> as trauma.

How long did it take to get a correct diagnosis? I know whith

Miranda and her pylornephritis (kidney infection) in Janurary they

thought she just had the flu or a minor infection. Thank god the Ped

decided to send us to the ER on Sunday morning instead of waiting to

see her on Monday. She was in there for 4 days. Hummm so now the

count is 2 broken bones, 2 black eyes, and 4 days in the hospital..

not to mention Emma and her roto virus that almost landed her in the

hospital the end of March.

>I am very careful about who I see. I love my doc!

Me too! He has twins about the age of Emma and if beginning to

realize that kids well.. can be kids, and they like to run and jump

and play and hey if they get a bruise it isnt' because someone is

beating them. Not that I've ever had a problem with him.

He looks

> just like Jerry Vandyke and is old enough to have some common

sense! But,

> some of the people who are on call for him....

Yep.. that can be a problem, but so far I've done well, I know all

but 2 of the Peds, the one that I refuse to see and they just hired a

new one who I have yet to meet.

> Who tries desperately to stay out of the pediatrician's office. It

is way

> too germie in there!

I agree!!!

a

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " Laymance Family " <amarna2@...>

> What size are you? I am getting rid of all my 18's and wouldn't mind

> sending you some if they would work.

That is soooo sweet! Unfortunately I'm 5'2 " and a size 22. Ugh!

> My 16's still fit, but some are very loose, so I will probably have to get

> rid of those in a couple of months.

Fantastic!

> One other thing I recommend is going to your local beauty school. At

mine,

> I can get a manicure for $5, a pedicure for $9, and can get my hair

> highlighted for $30 (it is REALLY long).

I don't spend too much on my hair. I get it cut every couple of months for

about $20. I really like my hair stylist so that's not something I'm

willing to give up. I do need to get in for a cut. I like my hair

color (natural blonde) so I don't have to mess with highlights or coloring

thank goodness. I'm amazed at how much my friends spend on their hair.

>They also offer make-up lessons

> and other things. I just had my 20 year old cousin some show me what is

> cool in eye makeup. Mine still kind of screamed 1980s, which was when I

> learned how to do make up to begin with.

I'm thinking of going to the Clinque counter or something but can I really

do that if I don't intend to spend a dime? Maybe I can get one of my

friends to give me some pointers. I pretty much gave up wearing make-up

when I was pregnant with my first kid back in '96. I don't understand women

who wear make up every waking moment. There's a Kay consultant in

Mothers and More but she is soooo annoying. Just one of those women that

won't let anyone else get a word in edgewise.

>

> I guess, when I have made an effort at looking my best, I feel more

> worth taking care of. I know that is probably indicative of some serious

> issues on my part, but, well, I am of the if it works don't mess with it

> philosophy.

Hmmmm..... no, I don't think you need serious therapy on this issue.

Weight is about looks. Not only about looks but that's a very big part of

it. If we take care of ourselves and keep ourselves looking sharp then it's

good for self esteem.

> I know Sue will shoot me, but I never could embrace the fat

> acceptance movement. I hate every cell of cellulite on my body. I did

not

> feel beautiful at my heaviest. I did however fell like I looked better

with

> a cute hairdo, nice make up, and clothes that fit my body and were at

least

> making an effort to be in style.

I feel the same way. I detest being fat but I try not to let it interfere

with my life. Just try to keep me out of the swimming pool in the blazing

Houston summer. I do feel embarrassed though being so fat. I'm

certainly not proud of it. I think the fat acceptance movement is good but,

like you, I can't embrace it fully.

> Goodwill has some great stuff! I go about once a week.

I get some kids clothes at thrift shops but I've never been able to find any

plus sizes. A friend said that Ross has lots of plus sizes. I need to try

there. Maybe I'll do that today since I need to go to Target which is

nearby.

I have several stylish blouses that I need to wash, iron and have ready to

go. I wear those to meetings and church so at least I'm not a slob all of

the time. Most days I wear a t-shirt and twill or denim shorts or twill

pants. Twill pants make me feel much more put together than stretch knit.

I have decent looking t-shirts that I wear out. I never wear my grungy

t-shirts out. I'll dig out the make-up and apply some for my meeting

tonight. I've been very good about keeping my eyebrows done for the last

few months. I had to buy an expensive 50X mirror for that.

I'll head out now and I don't even have to watch the clock since can

pick the kids up from school today. I think I'll take my sleazy Nora

novel to the chinese restaurant for a big bowl of wonton soup. That

sounds like it would taste good to my upset tummy. I'll head to Target and

Ross.

Ann

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>Crunchy, nutritious, cheap.

Sounds like the Jello from Christmas Vacation

How

> about baby carrots or pieces of celery or quartered apple?

Pretzels are

> much lower in fat than chips. Do you have a Walmart out there in

boony

> ville?

Oh we have a wal-mart.. a Super Wal-Mart about 12 miles from here,

not too far. Normally we get there a couple of times a month. I

also get Pretzels when they are buy one get 2 free at the local

grocer store that is alot like a super wal-mart as well. They eat

the baby carrots and apples as well. Normally Meredith has an apple

as a bed time sncak. Today she wanted soup for lunch and I was busy

trying to get decorations up and she was running a little late for

school so I guess she will have an apple or baby carrots as her after

school snack.

>They have generic gold fish which are

> also lower in fat.

Speaking of which I stopped at that Peppridge farm Store at the

outlet mall yesterday and they had boxes of Giant GOldfish for $.99

normally $2.99 so we snacked on those on the way home and the girls

did munch on a few before lunch. It normally takes me weeks to get

the house all decorated and I'm way behind this year, no way it will

all get done now.

>What about a Triscuit sort of cracker? Our grocery has

> generic. Baked chips would be good but they are expensive.

>

The girls like Triscuits too (generic kind) we bought 3 boxes of

those last time they were on sale for $1.00 a box. The kids like

them, but don't get them very frequently either.

> That bites! Our health insurance is going up. I really hope

gets a

> bonus this year. We haven't seen one in several years.

Yep, it bites! Our income went down about $5,000 per year and our

taxes went from about $600 to about $2000 and we were already having

problems getting by each month without having to pull out of

savings. I don't know what we will do when that money is gone. I

guess I'll have to go back to work. Not something we wanted to have

to do until the kids were all in school for a full day.

a

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my 16 1/2 yr old is 5'7 and weighs 230 - dr said it was fine for do 1800 a day. I know you're talking younger children but thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.

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Re: Dietician today...

----- Original Message -----From: "Sue in NJ" <susang@...>> I'm *really* surprised they didn't put that poor girl on a 1000 caloriediet> like they did with me at age 11. And back then they weren't obsessed with> "childhood obesity" like they are now.Have you looked at kids these days? We're not talking a little baby fat.We're talking major obesity. I pity the fat kids that I seejogging/stumbling around the field at Lynn's school. They have a very toughroad in front of them. Yes, genetics plays a huge part (no pun intended:), but Coke and Hostess stay in business somehow. I don't want my kids toend up like me! They have bad genes so I need to teach them good habits totry to overcome the genetics. Right now that just consists of having fairlygood food choices in the house and letting them self regulate. I wish itconsisted of helping them develop a taste for lentil loaf. When I say Ilet them self regulate that's not across the board. I'll tell them theycan't have a snack too close to dinner but they can eat as much as they wantat meals.I took Lynn to the neighborhood Christmas party today ( and Vonn arecamping) and I felt so embarrassed about my size. It's not something Idwell on all the time but sometimes it hits me that I'm twice as big as anyother woman in my neighborhood. I'm just gross. I need a fabulousmake-over so I can feel better about myself at any weight. I wish I hadsome money for some new clothes that fit and look sharp. No damn excuse fornot spending more time on my hair and face though.Not trying to be insensitive to those of you who are struggling with more tolose than I am. Just sharing how I felt today. Ann

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>my 16 1/2 yr old is 5'7 and weighs 230 - dr said it was fine for do 1800 a

day.

That's even 200 calories more than would have given her on

the FoodMover. The doc probably took into account her age - a growing teen

needs those calories.