Re: For Ann

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From: " Sue in NJ " <susang@...>

> of yo-yo dieting. Every time you put your body on restricted calories,

your

> metabolism slows,

I understand that metabolism slows in times of scarcity but I wonder why it

doesn't speed up in times of plenty. Bad luck for us I guess.

> give, and that means very small portions - severely restricting the

amount

> of potatoes and brown rice (beans are already restricted to one cup a day,

> anyway, on McDougall) and other good whole grain carbs. I'd rather give up

6 ounces of meat and cheese during the day for 4 cups of brown rice that

would be more filling and fat free (both items apx. 400 calories) .

Have you really tried Sugar Busters for any length of time? The increased

protein might make you feel more satisfied and not feel like you're

starving. Ditch the rice and potatoes and try Sugar Busters with unlimited

veggies for a few months and see what happens.

> >Tonight I will drain the

> > sugar off the flan and eat the rest.

>

> Here's the big difference between you and me - I would never dream in a

> million years of eating something icky sweet like this.

Mmmmm.... I definately have a sweet tooth.

> whereas me, who already eats around 1800 calories, needs to go

> down to around 1000 calories to lose weight. Yes, it's a very efficient

> machine, as you said, thanks to almost 40 years of dieting slowing my

> metabolism to a crawl.

Like I've said before, it must be extremely frustrating to be doing

everything right but still not losing weight. So what do you think your

parents and doctors should have done differently? Just let you eat all the

healthy food you wanted and left you alone? You say you were on 1000 cal.

as a young kid but I have no idea what the calorie requirements are for

kids.

Even though you're not losing much weight at least you know you are

improving your health by eating healthy and exercising.

Ann

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>but I wonder why it

> doesn't speed up in times of plenty. Bad luck for us I guess.

Extreme amounts of exercise will help raise the bar a little bit, but then a

person has to keep up, and eventually increase, that amount.

And then add in the peri-menopausal hormone influence that makes the body

want to conserve all the fat it can, because that's where the estrogen is

stored.

> Have you really tried Sugar Busters for any length of time? The increased

> protein might make you feel more satisfied and not feel like you're

> starving.

The problem with SB is the same as with FoodMover - the portions are too

small when followed as written. Remember, the food is to cover just the base

of your plate - not even creep up along the rim of your dish - and to lose

weight starches are reduced to 3 servings a day. Calorie-wise, Dr. s

says that with the full 11 exchanges the calories are around 1900, but by

eliminating those extra 8 servings of starch that brings the calorie level

down to around 1400.

>Ditch the rice

Brown rice is allowed on SB.

>with unlimited veggies

But then it's not Sugar Busters, just a hybrid plan. SB relies on portion

control for the weight loss to happen, and that includes all foods, veggies

included.

> Like I've said before, it must be extremely frustrating to be doing

> everything right but still not losing weight.

Tell me about it!

So what do you think your

> parents and doctors should have done differently?

To start out, *not* water down my formula at the age of 5 days and let me

just eat what my body needed would have been a good start. That's what they

did with my 2 brothers and they never had this problem. In fact, my younger

brother has always been too thin and still is at age 47, but my older

brother gained weight when he hit about 45 - just like the uncle and

grandfather he takes after, the same side of the family that *I* take after.

And he's still as pick an eater as ever, according to his wife. The past few

years he's had a lot of stomach problems, even had more than half his

stomach removed because of ulcers. He gained all that weight after his

surgery. Being put on restricted calories at such a young age just set me up

for my future woes.

My mother should have also had healther food choices around, but we were a

typical family of the 1950's, where every meal had white bread, greasy

meats, and canned veggies, and everyone had to clean their plate, even if

they didn't like the food that was served or we were no longer hungry. And

that included dessert. Don't you know there are starving children in China

who would love to have that piece of cake?

You say you were on 1000 cal.

> as a young kid but I have no idea what the calorie requirements are for

> kids.

I've read anywhere from 2000 - 3500 calories, depending on the source and

how active the kid is. They also say a 12 year old girl should weight 65

pounds, and when I was put on *that* diet I was 150, more than double the

weight. If you restrict calories too much in a pre-adolescent it can stunt

growth, deprive a growing body of needed nutrients, and lead to medical and

metabolic problems as an adult. Could this be why I'm the shortest person in

the entire family? All my grandmothers and aunts were taller than me, and

even my mother was 5'9 " but I'm barely 5'5 " . Granted, my grandfather's

sisters, the ladies I most resemble, weren't *that* much taller, just 2

inches or so.

> Even though you're not losing much weight at least you know you are

> improving your health by eating healthy and exercising.

Yep. If it's meant to be, the weight will come off. I'll just continue to

avoid sweets and white flour and stick with my whole grains, watch those

portions, and eat my veggies and do my sweatin'. If I only lose 1 pound a

month, so be it - as long as that scale stops moving *up* I'm happy.

How's your cold doing today? There's a nice chicken soup recipe in the Files

section, ' Chicken-Noodle Keep-Away-the-Flu Soup

100-plus/files/Recipes/Soup%2C%20Stews%20and%2

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From: " Sue in NJ " <susang@...>

> Brown rice is allowed on SB.

4 cups!

> But then it's not Sugar Busters, just a hybrid plan. SB relies on portion

> control for the weight loss to happen, and that includes all foods,

veggies

> included.

I disagree. You're taking one sentence out of the whole book and saying

modifying it will destroy the whole system. If you need an extra serving of

broccoli with dinner then that's great. He recommends a lean protein, two

vegetables and a salad for dinner. That's usually enough for me.

You're convinced that there is nothing you can reasonably do to lose weight.

I think you should give reduced carb a try. What do you have to lose?

You've tried everything else. Go for it and dive into South Beach. Report

back in two weeks and let us know how much you lost on Phase I. In the

words of Miss Frizzle, " Take chances, make mistakes, and get messy! "

Ann who thinks hell will freeze over before Sue gives up her brown

rice.