RE: Anyone with similar reactions to vaccinations?

January 13, 2004

Hi Alyssa, welcome to the group. Glad you have found it so helpful

already. If Carson is allergic to an ingredient in the vaccines, it

may never be pinpointed. The next vaccine just might be the one that

could kill him. Ask those top ranked specialist's to take full

responsibility for any vaccine they give, by putting it in writing.

See how far you will get.

> I just joined the group today and already I have found it very

helpful. I

> would like to know if anyone's child has had an experience similar

to my

> son's. Carson is four months old and has had horrible reactions

after his 2

> month and 4 month vaccinations.

>

> The first was with his 2 month shots. Five hours later he began to

> hysterically scream. This lasted for 5-10 minutes. Then he

completely

> collapsed, turned greenish-blue, stopped or was lightly breathing

and had no

> tone in his body. He was lifeless. We called 911 and went to

Northwestern

> Hospital in an ambulance. He was coming back around and they sent

us in

> another ambulance to Children's Memorial Hospital. He was there for

three

> days and they did every test under the sun. It was determined that

it was a

> reaction to the Pertussis.

>

> Believing this, we removed the Pertussis from the DTaP vaccine and

he

> received his 4 month shots last Monday. 5 hours later, he woke out

of a

> sleep screaming. He projectile vomited, turned ghostly white and

became

> lethargic. We rushed to the hospital again and I could not get his

attention

> in the car. After 20 minutes or so, he came out of it. For the next

48

> hours, he hardly ate or slept and was crying the entire time.

>

> We took him to Infectious Diseases last week. They recommended that

we take

> him to a

> Pediatric Allergist, but also recommended he continue with the

vaccines

> which I do not feel comfortable with yet. He said

> he definitely recommends that we don't give him anymore Pertussis.

We

> already knew that... It

> was already taken out and he still had a bad reaction.

>

> We have an appointment tomorrow with Chicago's top ranked Pediatric

> Allergist and Immunologist. The plan is to have a conference call

between my

> pediatrician, Infectious Diseases, and the Allergist to determine

the

> vaccination schedule going forward. It is pretty common for the

medical

> profession to preach " the benefits outweigh the risks with

vaccinations " and

> I believe this is true for the majority of the population.

However, Carson

> is susceptible to something in the vaccines. I feel like Carson is

at a

> higher risk of something happening again. The doctor suggested to

do one

> shot at a time to pin point which vaccine it is. This still means

that he

> will have a reaction in my mind though and what if it is a really

bad one. I

> feel like they want to play vaccine roulette.

>

> At the same time, I am scared about him getting one of these

diseases. I

> would appreciate any information or advice that you have. I have

done

> research on the Internet and it is scary. I then talk with the

medical

> professionals who scare me about the diseases.

>

> Thank you,

> Alyssa

January 13, 2004

Wow! You are so fortunate to still have your precious baby with you! I can't

believe the doctor's want to play " guinea pig " with your baby to see what

happens next!!! Outrageous!! Then if the next shot would kill him, they'll say

" Ooops, he must have had some underlying illness " or whatever... the vaccines

rarely get the blame.

All I can suggest is find a good classical homeopath to help undo the damage

that the vaccines have already caused. I wouldn't trust these doctors as far as

I could throw them!!

As far as the diseases themselves, learn about them and your fear will diminish.

Having a good classical homeopath on your side to help you over the hills and

valleys of childhood illnesses is your best bet (and providing a healthy diet...

hopefully breast milk, to keep your baby's immune system strong and healthy).

Childhood diseases are NOT the automatic death sentence that doctor's and

pHARMaceutical companies would have us believe.

Here are a couple of sites for you to check out:

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/risk.html

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

I'm sooo sorry your baby had to suffer. You have come to the right place for

information and support. Check out the list's files and if you need more links

on the dangers of vaccines, the people here have a ton!!

All the best to you and baby Carson.

Kay

Anyone with similar reactions to vaccinations?

I just joined the group today and already I have found it very helpful. I

would like to know if anyone's child has had an experience similar to my

son's. Carson is four months old and has had horrible reactions after his 2

month and 4 month vaccinations.

At the same time, I am scared about him getting one of these diseases. I

would appreciate any information or advice that you have. I have done

research on the Internet and it is scary. I then talk with the medical

professionals who scare me about the diseases.

Thank you,

Alyssa

January 13, 2004

Hi, Alyssa....

DO NOT GIVE YOUR SON AN PRESCRIPTIONS " suggested " . More drugs...and yes, he

could be further damaged. You know that screaming you described...the french

describe it as brain damage in progress. Some one help me out here, I can't

remember how to spell it, " cry encyphylic " ?

research and learn as much as you can. Be sure to check out my link below on

the " ingredients " of the vaccines from CDC.

--------signature-------------

Are you aware that aborted fetal tissue is used in the development and

manufacture of vaccines? Read more about this and other startling facts about

vaccines at http://www.cogforlife.org and http://www.vaccinetruth.org

Here's a list of vaccine ingredients (chick embryo, formaldehyde, aluminum

hydroxide, mercury, aborted fetus tissue, gelatin-boiled pig skin, monkey kidney

tissue, boiled cow skin, coagulated horse blood...etc) from Centers for Disease

Control http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/Appendices/A/Excipient.pdf

Ask the US government what your pediatrician can't answer nipinfo@...

I Corinthians 3:16 " Do you not know that you yourselves are God's temple and

that God's Spirit lives in you?...for God's temple is sacred, and you are that

temple. "

ChristianityandVaccinations/

January 13, 2004

hi alyssa,

welcome to the list!

> I just joined the group today and already I have

> found it very helpful. I

> would like to know if anyone's child has had an

> experience similar to my

> son's. Carson is four months old and has had

> horrible reactions after his 2

> month and 4 month vaccinations.

i personally haven't. luckily, my first born didn't

react until the mmr and my second one never got any

vaccines apart from the hep b at birth, and that

against my will... i've been researching vaccines for

about 6 and a half years now and i've come across way

too many parents whose children reacted in a similar

way to yours. my advice to you: do not allow any more

vaccines until you are absolutely sure what you want

for your son. whether this is to continue vaccines or

not is secondary here. you can always catch up on

vaccines, but you cannot make them undone. so please

please please wait until you are absolutely sure. and

do not allow any pediatrician to bully you into it. i

know this is easier said than done, but if you start

thinking about it and work out your strategy right

now, you'll be armed so to speak.

> The first was with his 2 month shots. Five hours

> later he began to

> hysterically scream. This lasted for 5-10 minutes.

> Then he completely

> collapsed, turned greenish-blue, stopped or was

> lightly breathing and had no

> tone in his body. He was lifeless. We called 911 and

> went to Northwestern

> Hospital in an ambulance. He was coming back around

> and they sent us in

> another ambulance to Children's Memorial Hospital.

> He was there for three

> days and they did every test under the sun. It was

> determined that it was a

> reaction to the Pertussis.

pertussis vax is the most common one to react. but

that does not mean, by any means that it's the only

one. please read sheri's website, plus there are

several others that give loads of information, such as

wendy's site, the vaclib site etc. they're all in my

links page

http://www.internationalsymposium.co.uk/links.htm

> Believing this, we removed the Pertussis from the

> DTaP vaccine and he

> received his 4 month shots last Monday. 5 hours

> later, he woke out of a

> sleep screaming. He projectile vomited, turned

> ghostly white and became

> lethargic. We rushed to the hospital again and I

> could not get his attention

> in the car. After 20 minutes or so, he came out of

> it. For the next 48

> hours, he hardly ate or slept and was crying the

> entire time.

my heart goes out to you and especially your little

one. you thought you were doing the right thing, like

so so many of us. and he ended up in such agony. if

you can, find a classical homeopath in your area NOW,

because the earlier the damage can be reversed the

more successful it'll be!

> We took him to Infectious Diseases last week. They

> recommended that we take

> him to a

> Pediatric Allergist, but also recommended he

> continue with the vaccines

> which I do not feel comfortable with yet. He said

> he definitely recommends that we don't give him

> anymore Pertussis. We

> already knew that... It

> was already taken out and he still had a bad

> reaction.

they are CRIMINALS!!! yes, fair enough, they figured

initially that it was the pertussis part that caused

the reaction but WHO KNOWS??? you are very right in

refusing any further vaccines. wait until you are

absolutely sure. i dare say who needs vaccines anyway,

they don't protect, they are not safe, they don't

help.

> We have an appointment tomorrow with Chicago's top

> ranked Pediatric

> Allergist and Immunologist. The plan is to have a

> conference call between my

> pediatrician, Infectious Diseases, and the Allergist

> to determine the

> vaccination schedule going forward. It is pretty

> common for the medical

> profession to preach " the benefits outweigh the

> risks with vaccinations " and

> I believe this is true for the majority of the

> population.

yep, that's great. but you're right in believing that

if your child falls into the minority of the

population then the risk is too great!

> However, Carson

> is susceptible to something in the vaccines. I feel

> like Carson is at a

> higher risk of something happening again. The doctor

> suggested to do one

> shot at a time to pin point which vaccine it is.

you can say NO. until you educated yourself about it

so that you feel comfortable with whatever decision

you make.

> This still means that he

> will have a reaction in my mind though and what if

> it is a really bad one. I

> feel like they want to play vaccine roulette.

that's what it is. do a google search on shaken baby

syndrome and see all the people who are in prison

because their babies died within hours and weeks after

their babies' first or second or third round of

vaccines. then read all the medical reports that show

so clearly that " shaken baby syndrome " is an invention

of the pharma lobby...

> At the same time, I am scared about him getting one

> of these diseases. I

> would appreciate any information or advice that you

> have. I have done

> research on the Internet and it is scary. I then

> talk with the medical

> professionals who scare me about the diseases.

okay, first of all, you need to learn everything about

each disease that you are scared of. not only from a

medico point of view, but also from " alternative "

point of views, such as homeopathy, acupuncture,

vitamin c etc. for example, find out how tetanus is

treated. also find out the statistics, ie. how many

people contract tetanus in a year, how many die, how

many survive, and how the survivors were treated, how

old they were etc. find out EVERYTHING. i can almost

promise you, this will kill the fear in you. :-) once

you have that knowledge, you can laugh into any MD's

face and tell him/her the facts you know! and that's

when it starts getting fun *g*. eventually, your

opponent (ie the pediatrician or any other medical

professional) will say something stupid, believe me,

i've been there. when my youngest (born in california)

was 2 months old, we returned to the UK for a 2 week

holiday. his pediatrician absolutely urged me to to

get his vaccines 'up to date', ie diphtheria,

pertussis, tetanus and a hep b booster. so i asked why

and he answered that diphtheria especially was rampant

in the UK. considering i had only left the UK 3 months

previously (at 8 months pregnant) i couldn't help

laughing and asked him if he'd ever been to the UK. so

he said no he hadn't been there, but he's keeping up

to date with this and that and the other

" professional " paper, so he knows for sure. so i

openly laughed into his face and told him that in my

14 years living in the UK i had NEVER come across any

case of either diphtheria, or tetanus and the

pertussis cases i'd come across had been so popular

that the kids were inundated with visitors just to

make sure that as many kids as possible would contract

it while they were young. the ped turned bright red

and then pale and ushered me out of his practice while

muttering he never wanted to see me again. he didn't.

:-)

please feel free to ask any questions here on list,

there are plenty who can answer pretty much anything

when it comes to vaccines. and please please please

wait until you're absolutely sure that you're

comfortable with vaccinating your little one any

further before you allow it. don't let them bully you

by telling you that it's law, because there are

exemptions in every state! if you can let us know

which state you live in, someone here will be able to

tell you the choices for exemptions.

claudia

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January 13, 2004

Dear Alyssa,

First of all, thank God that you have questioned... many parents do

not. If Carson were my baby I would not allow any more vaccinations.

I presume you are not particularly interested in knowing which

component is hurting him if finding out means hurting him again. You

have already made the decision not to have the pertussis vaccination

anymore and most drs would say that whooping cough is a dreadful

disease etc. Well our little girl had it and gave it to all of us

(she is not vaccinated, nor is daddy but I am and so is our son)

Daddy did not get it as he had it as a child. The doctors said she

had whooping cough, I had bronchitis and our son had croup....

These childhood diseases are manageable. You can educate yourself on

them. There is a lot of information right here in the files of this

group's archives and lots more elsewhere. You can learn how to

diagnose and treat these illnesses just as you already do for the

common cold and toothache. If your son is basically healthy and well

nourished, these diseases are absolutely nothing to fear. You have

come to the right place, Alyssa. Many people here will give you time

and listen to your fears, help you work through the information,

relate to the doctors and find any information you need. Do not

hesitate to ask for help.

My prayers are yours

Suzy

> I just joined the group today and already I have found it very

helpful. I

> would like to know if anyone's child has had an experience similar

to my

> son's. Carson is four months old and has had horrible reactions

after his 2

> month and 4 month vaccinations.

>

> The first was with his 2 month shots. Five hours later he began to

> hysterically scream. This lasted for 5-10 minutes. Then he

completely

> collapsed, turned greenish-blue, stopped or was lightly breathing

and had no

> tone in his body. He was lifeless. We called 911 and went to

Northwestern

> Hospital in an ambulance. He was coming back around and they sent

us in

> another ambulance to Children's Memorial Hospital. He was there for

three

> days and they did every test under the sun. It was determined that

it was a

> reaction to the Pertussis.

>

> Believing this, we removed the Pertussis from the DTaP vaccine and

he

> received his 4 month shots last Monday. 5 hours later, he woke out

of a

> sleep screaming. He projectile vomited, turned ghostly white and

became

> lethargic. We rushed to the hospital again and I could not get his

attention

> in the car. After 20 minutes or so, he came out of it. For the next

48

> hours, he hardly ate or slept and was crying the entire time.

>

> We took him to Infectious Diseases last week. They recommended that

we take

> him to a

> Pediatric Allergist, but also recommended he continue with the

vaccines

> which I do not feel comfortable with yet. He said

> he definitely recommends that we don't give him anymore Pertussis.

We

> already knew that... It

> was already taken out and he still had a bad reaction.

>

> We have an appointment tomorrow with Chicago's top ranked Pediatric

> Allergist and Immunologist. The plan is to have a conference call

between my

> pediatrician, Infectious Diseases, and the Allergist to determine

the

> vaccination schedule going forward. It is pretty common for the

medical

> profession to preach " the benefits outweigh the risks with

vaccinations " and

> I believe this is true for the majority of the population.

However, Carson

> is susceptible to something in the vaccines. I feel like Carson is

at a

> higher risk of something happening again. The doctor suggested to

do one

> shot at a time to pin point which vaccine it is. This still means

that he

> will have a reaction in my mind though and what if it is a really

bad one. I

> feel like they want to play vaccine roulette.

>

> At the same time, I am scared about him getting one of these

diseases. I

> would appreciate any information or advice that you have. I have

done

> research on the Internet and it is scary. I then talk with the

medical

> professionals who scare me about the diseases.

>

> Thank you,

> Alyssa

January 13, 2004

Hi Alyssa. Welcome! I am in the Chicago area too. PLEASE call Homefirst in

Lincolnwood at (847) 679-8336. Ask to speak to Dr. Meyer Eisenstein

directly. He runs the practice and is WONDERFUL! He once called me at my

home to help me with my exemption form, just because he is super nice and

believes in choice. He is a doctor and a lawyer and is very knowledgeable.

just tell him your story and tell him you need help. They also offer free

consultations in their offices around Chicagoland and are very generous with

their time.

I know it is scary, but remember to get your baby healthy first, then think.

You do not have to make any decisions immediately, so try to breathe and

most of all, give your baby lots of time. Hopefully Dr. Eisenstein can help

you get some facts. These diseases you are hearing about are not as common

as they would have you believe.You DO have choices.

I have had life threatening allergic reactions and what you (and others)

have described is quite different. I agree with whomever said this is more

like encephalitis. With an allergy there is severe swelling. Breathing and

voice shuts down before you pass out or turn colors. Usually there is a

raised rash over the entire body, severe diarrhea and vomiting. I think the

problem is: even the doctors are guessing. You were dead on when you used

the word " roulette " . Who knows what causes it or if the next reaction may be

much worse!

Good Luck!

Jami, Naperville

Anyone with similar reactions to vaccinations?

> I just joined the group today and already I have found it very helpful. I

> would like to know if anyone's child has had an experience similar to my

> son's. Carson is four months old and has had horrible reactions after his

2

> month and 4 month vaccinations.

>

> The first was with his 2 month shots. Five hours later he began to

> hysterically scream. This lasted for 5-10 minutes. Then he completely

> collapsed, turned greenish-blue, stopped or was lightly breathing and had

no

> tone in his body. He was lifeless. We called 911 and went to Northwestern

> Hospital in an ambulance. He was coming back around and they sent us in

> another ambulance to Children's Memorial Hospital. He was there for three

> days and they did every test under the sun. It was determined that it was

a

> reaction to the Pertussis.

>

> Believing this, we removed the Pertussis from the DTaP vaccine and he

> received his 4 month shots last Monday. 5 hours later, he woke out of a

> sleep screaming. He projectile vomited, turned ghostly white and became

> lethargic. We rushed to the hospital again and I could not get his

attention

> in the car. After 20 minutes or so, he came out of it. For the next 48

> hours, he hardly ate or slept and was crying the entire time.

>

> We took him to Infectious Diseases last week. They recommended that we

take

> him to a

> Pediatric Allergist, but also recommended he continue with the vaccines

> which I do not feel comfortable with yet. He said

> he definitely recommends that we don't give him anymore Pertussis. We

> already knew that... It

> was already taken out and he still had a bad reaction.

>

> We have an appointment tomorrow with Chicago's top ranked Pediatric

> Allergist and Immunologist. The plan is to have a conference call between

my

> pediatrician, Infectious Diseases, and the Allergist to determine the

> vaccination schedule going forward. It is pretty common for the medical

> profession to preach " the benefits outweigh the risks with vaccinations "

and

> I believe this is true for the majority of the population. However,

Carson

> is susceptible to something in the vaccines. I feel like Carson is at a

> higher risk of something happening again. The doctor suggested to do one

> shot at a time to pin point which vaccine it is. This still means that he

> will have a reaction in my mind though and what if it is a really bad one.

I

> feel like they want to play vaccine roulette.

>

> At the same time, I am scared about him getting one of these diseases. I

> would appreciate any information or advice that you have. I have done

> research on the Internet and it is scary. I then talk with the medical

> professionals who scare me about the diseases.

>

> Thank you,

> Alyssa

>

January 13, 2004

Alyssa - how is Carson doing right now?

Sheri

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January 13, 2004

He seems to be doing well and he even started to sleep through the night

this week. He had a rough 2 days after his episode, but then seemed to be