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I have looked into this quite a bit, especially since living in the UK and

living amongst a huge farming community.

Many of us have met Mark Purdey by email if not in person.

I think this is the most reputable info on Mad Cow Disease - not about

animals eating animals, although that is disgusting and can't be

good..........but about organophosphates and high manganese in the area.

http://www.purdeyenvironment.com/

Mark Purdey's website

AND

Quotes from below chat I was part of....

" The organophosphates interact with manganese by acting as an oxydising

agent. They change the manganese from a safe form into a highly lethal

free-radical generating form so to get spongiform disease of the new

variant type you would need to be simultaneously exposed to these two

environmental factors. In the traditionally form of the disease one is

exposed to a much weaker oxidising agent in the form of ultra violet

radiation that is why traditional spongiform disease always starts in the

retina in the eye and it occurs in populations that live high up in

snow-covered mountains - with UV light is notoriously high. "

AND

" Avoid use of head lice shampoos and exposure to other forms of

organophosphate insecticides. Also be a bit cautious of using mobile phones

too intensively because they have an oxydising effect on the brain just

like organophosphates. Also avoid living too near to industries that

pollute the atmosphere with high levels of manganese such as industries

that use manganese as a lead replacement in petrol etc. "

*********************

Mark Purdey, whose information I've posted before, from the UK was on a

special report (kind of like 60 minutes) on BBC 2 Sunday night

(Correspondent). They did an excellent job. It seems to be about high

levels of manganese and organophosphates (or other oxydizing things)

Summarized his years of dedication and obsession to find the answers -

traveling all over the world to where there are clusters - finding use of

organophosphates or contamination with organophosphates AND high levels of

manganese. It seems these are the 2 things that are necessary. High

manganese fed to animals, pollution from factories nearby, high levels in

the soil, sewage distributed around towns etc. He was on a forum after the

show by email and said basically to not live anywhere near high manganese

pollution, other polluting factories, don't use lice shampoos etc or

organophosphates.

He traveled to Colorado, Iceland, Slovakia and other places with large

clusters of people or animals with vCJD and BSE, testing soil, vegetation

and water.

It showed the idiots in government who won't listen and just say a bunch of

rhetoric instead of anything meaningful.

I know what its like with my vaccine work. Idiots that really don't care

who lives or dies as long as they are in power.

He has basically self taught himself chemistry and other sciences to be

able to understand and communicate. It was an amazing report. Anyone else

in the UK see it?

Here is the report (was TV program yesterday)

news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english...205915.stm

GO TO THE website - video files there of the program and more!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/correspondent/europe/

newsid_1205000/1205915.stm

Solidarity: Mad cows and an Englishman

Mad cows and an Englishman - the truth about BSE?

'Mad cow disease' has created Europe's biggest public health challenge for

half a century. We don't really understand BSE or the human equivalent.

Could we have been looking for the answers in the wrong place? This is the

story of the British farmer who thinks we have. By Stourton.

Mark Purdey has taken on the government, big business and the scientific

establishment - and some people are beginning to listen to what he has to

say. He suggests that the key lies in what we have done to the world around

us.

His struggle is the story of a broken promise. The EU's Charter of

Fundamental Rights pledges protection for the consumer and the environment,

as part of its commitment to solidarity among Europe's people.

>From farmer to self-taught scientist

In 1984 an unwelcome visitor arrived at the gates of Mark Purdey's organic

farm in Somerset.

It was the beginning of an extraordinary odyssey which has transformed him

from an obscure farmer to a self-taught scientist and passionate

campaigner, and made him a central player in what must surely rank as the

biggest public health crisis in Europe for at least half a century.

The Inquiry into BSE confirmed that the pesticides could make

animals more susceptible to the disease. Not for the first time, Mark

Purdey had made a connection that the official scientists had missed.

Stourton

The man from the Ministry had come with an order for the treatment of

Warble Fly - a parasite which lays its eggs under the skin of cattle. Like

all beef and dairy farmers in the area, Mark Purdey was told he had to use

an organophosphate pesticide on his livestock to eradicate the infestation.

But he fought the order in court - and he won. When BSE was identified two

years later Mark Purdey noticed that the areas where the disease was

emerging more or less correlated with those where the organophosphates had

been used against Warble Fly. His conclusion that the pesticide caused BSE

turned out to be mistaken.

What the scientists missed

Mark Purdey

But nearly twenty years later the Inquiry into BSE confirmed that

it could make animals more susceptible to the disease. Not for the first

time, Mark Purdey had made a connection that the official scientists had

missed.

Live chat Sunday 2005 GMT:

Are we looking in the wrong place for answers? Quiz Mark Purdey.

Orthodox opinion on BSE and its human cousin CJD has focused on the food

chain; cows, the argument runs, got BSE by eating feed made from sheep

infected with scrapie, and humans get CJD by eating BSE infected beef.

But Mark Purdey believes that both BSE and CJD are caused by a much more

complex mix of different causes.

A society needs extremists. They need obsessive individuals who can really

get to the root of something.

Mark Purdey

And he thinks the key lies in the environment around us - an elusive factor

X which triggers the disease. If he is right we need to rethink everything

we have done to fight the spread of mad cow disease and its human equivalent.

The meat and bone meal bans, the export bans on British beef, the slaughter

of tens of thousands of cattle, the expenditure of billions of pounds of

taxpayers' money - all may have been in vain. And the question of whether

or not to eat beef may turn out to be the least of our worries.

A long and lonely battle

Mark Purdey's battle has been long and lonely - and he's paid a price in

his private life. But he makes no apology for being obsessive. " A society

needs extremists, " he says, " they need obsessive individuals who can really

get to the root of something " .

He has had to teach himself chemistry and biology to a level where he can

publish his work in scientific journals, and he's travelled all over Europe

and beyond. He's been fighting for almost two decades.

Factor X

Dr Brown, Researcher at Cambridge University

The key to the Factor X he has been looking for lies in the balance of

metals in the brain. Manganese is needed by the human body to function

healthily. But when humans or animals take in too much of it - especially

if that coincides with a lack of copper in the body - things can go badly

wrong with the brain.

Mark Purdey studied the environment in so-called cluster areas of

spongiform diseases - in Colorado in the United States, in Iceland, in

Italy and in the Tatra mountains of Slovakia. In all of them he found a

high level of manganese and low levels of copper.

For years the scientific establishment has been able to dismiss this

Somerset farmer without a degree as a maverick. But his work has now begun

to attract attention in some surprising quarters.

Dr Brown is a researcher at Cambridge University, and he is about to

publish the results of his research on the brains of people who have died

of CJD.

They seem to corroborate Mark Purdey's belief that the Factor X behind the

disease that's killing cows and humans is manganese in the environment. The

maverick is beginning to look like a visionary.

Live chat Sunday 2005 GMT:

Are we looking in the wrong place for answers? Quiz Mark Purdey.

Mad cows and an Englishman:

1920 GMT Sunday 25th March on BBC 2.

Reporter: Stourton

Producer: Leo Telling

Executive Producer: Farah Durrani

Series Producer: Kate Snell

*********

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/correspondent/europe/

newsid_1207000/1207074.stm

Here is the transcript of the discussion after over the net including

Mark's email address

BSE: Are we looking in the wrong place for answers? Quiz Mark Purdey

The export bans, the slaughter of tens of thousands of cattle, the

expenditure of billions of pounds of taxpayers' money - Could we have been

looking for the answers in the wrong place to BSE or the human equivalent

CJD?

British farmer Mark Purdey thinks we have. He believes the key lies in the

environment around us - an elusive factor X which triggers the disease.

Dismissed for years by the scientific establishment as a maverick, this

Somerset farmer turned scientist is now being taken more seriously. - A

researcher at Cambridge university is about to publish research backing up

Mark Purdey¿s belief that it is the balance of metals in the environment

that affects the brain and could lead to the disease.

Transcript:

News Host:

Hello, and welcome to Correspondent's first live chat. Mark Purdey will be

here to answer your questions on BSE in about five minutes. You can send

your questions NOW by typing them into the box at the bottom of the page.

You must press return/enter on your keyboard to send a question. This is a

moderated chat which means that any duplicate questions and general hello

messages will be filtered out. Try to keep your questions and/or comments

as concise as possible.

Philip Orton:

I seem to remember a TV drama ( Herriot?) broadcast 8-10 years ago in

which a cow had developed BSE like symptoms. Nobody had the answer until a

soil analysis was done This showed very low levels of copper as the cause!

Did this inspire your research?

Mark Purdey:

What got me interested in metals particularly in copper during the 1970s

government laboratories had done research inducing scrapie disease in mice

by injecting them with a chemical called cuprizone. This chemical caused

scrapie by locking onto copper in the brain of treated animals and when I

found low levels of copper in all their spongiform areas around the world I

then began to feel something was going on here.

Question:

I've heard a bit about your ideas and they make a lot of sense. But BSE on

an epidemic scale has only occurred in Britain. If your theory is to be

proved you will have to explain why. Have you any theories or suggestions

in this area?

News Host:

If you've just joined us, we're talking to BSE expert Mark Purdey. He will

try and answer as many questions as possible. In the meantime, please keep

sending in your questions, NOW by typing them into the box at the bottom of

the page. You must press return/enter on your keyboard to send a question.

Mark Purdey:

In Britain we were unique in using a much higher dosage of systemic OP

insecticides for warbel control these high doses interacted with the

manganese in the brains of treated cows and produced Mark Purdey highly

virulent form of manganese that produces an accellerated type of free

radical disease this is new variant BSE/CJD.

Matanza:

Can this problem be erradicated by treatment, or is it too late in your

opinion?

Mark Purdey:

You might be able to arrest the disease by treating with copper providing

that copper can cross the blood/brain barrier. The copper would bond with

the prion protein and protect it from bonding to manganese.

Mark Studden:

Have Manganese levels in our food chain been lowered as a result of your

research, or are they still so high?

Mark Purdey:

Manganese levels are increasing quite severely in the food chain. Firstly

as a result of acid rain which unlocks manganese in the soil and makes it

more available to plants. Secondly as a result of industry such as steel,

glass, lead-free petrol production. This causes increased emissions of

manganese into the atmosphere and you can breathe in this manganese in the

air that goes directly through the nose and it goes straight to the brain

via the olfactory lobe.

Tim on:

What is it that you think gave you the drive and enthusiasm that let you

research this subject in such depth?

Mark Purdey:

I have always this drive to understand the effects of toxic environmental

poisons on the brain both as a nervous effect and a psychological effect.

But I am also very angry at the way these chemicals are permitted to be

unleashed into the food chain without any long-term concerns and I am also

angry at the way that the responsible bodies have no concern for these

long-term repercussions on our health.

Reeler:

Does Mark Purdey think that the way meat is cooked, whether rare or well

done affects whether humans catch the disease ?

Mark Purdey:

I do not think that meat has any connection at all with new variant CJD

simply because the cheap cuts of meat that were blamed for causing variant

CJD were exported all over the world particularly third world countries,

where new variant CJD has never occurred.

Le:

Notwithstanding the manganese implication, is there still a connection with

the use of organophosphates do you think?

Mark Purdey:

The organophosphates interact with manganese by acting as an oxydising

agent. They change the manganese from a safe form into a highly lethal

free-radical generating form so to get spongiform disease of the new

variant type you would need to be simultaneously exposed to these two

environmental factors. In the traditionally form of the disease one is

exposed to a much weaker oxidising agent in the form of ultra violet

radiation that is why traditional spongiform disease always starts in the

retina in the eye and it occurs in populations that live high up in

snow-covered mountains - with UV light is notoriously high.

Debbie Griffiths:

Do you or Dr brown still need funds to carry on your campaign and if so how

can people contribute?

Mark Purdey:

I have a research account into which I pay my laboratory fees for analysing

the various samples I draw in these spongiform cluster regions and I

welcome any donations however small into my bank account.

Greame Jarvie:

Have you had any interest/response from European research authorities in

the absence of this from their UK counterparts?

Mark Purdey:

I think that the UK's reluctance to research my theory is based on the fact

that they compelled farmers by law to use these chemicals and a licenced

feeding of manganese at dose rates which could be risky. The UK Government

would therefore be admitting liability for potential damage claims should

they accept that these products have a role in the cause of these diseases.

Question:

Did the report on Queniborough not specifically state that there were not

high levels of manganese in the area, unlike what was shown in your tests?

Mark Purdey:

Yes this is very true. The levels of manganese are naturally low in the

soils of the Quinaborough area but the point is that the surrounding

farmers are spraying on a potent manganese fertiliser several times a year.

There is also widespread application of sewage sludge around all the

villages that have a variant CJD problem. Manganese is also at a high level

in sewage and it becomes air borne during spreading operations. Villages

will therefore be breathing in these various manganese substances and

taking it straight into their brains via the nasal/olfactory route.

Andrej Machacek:

Mark, I come from Slovakia and the High Tatras are one of my favourite

places in the world. I was very saddened by the fate of some of the locals

mentioned in the programme and was wondering whether the people (e.g. those

innocently drinking the pine needle tea) were informed of the outcomes of

your research...

Mark Purdey:

Because of language barriers I had great difficulty in communicating but

they were well aware of the fact that the trees were dying in the very

villages where CJD was at high incidence and they were aware that this was

being caused by the emissions from the nearby steele factories. Whilst they

were aware that this was causing respiratory problems with their breathing

they weren't aware of the CJD link. But Dr. Eve Matrova who was in the

programme is pursuing my work with great interest and will be influencing

the local vicinity to get this sorted out. I agree with you it is a

beautiful area - I loved it.

Simon Blake:

What can the public do, if your theory is correct, to protect themselves

right now?

Mark Purdey:

Avoid use of head lice shampoos and exposure to other forms of

organophosphate insecticides. Also be a bit cautious of using mobile phones

too intensively because they have an oxydising effect on the brain just

like organophosphates. Also avoid living too near to industries that

pollute the atmosphere with high levels of manganese such as industries

that use manganese as a lead replacement in petrol etc.

Ade Webb:

How were you able to run at farm at the same time as everything else?

Mark Purdey:

It is an absolute nightmare. I always say I need to have three bodies

operating simultaneously..

Mark Purdey:

Thanks for your concern!

Simon Kemp: Do you have a website where you publish your results and

progress?

Mark Purdey:

I have just opened an e-mail site. markpurdey.madcow@... and I hope

to have an internet site in the near future.

News Host:

That is all we have time for. Thank you to Mark Purdey for taking the time

to answer these questions. And thanks to all of you for sending them in.

Sorry if your question didn't get answered - there just wasn't enough time

to cover them all. You can contact Mark by email at

(see webiste at top of page and a full transcript of our chat with Mark

Purdey will appear soon at www.bbc.co.uk/correspondent. Don't forget to

keep checking our site for more live chats!

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