Guest guest Posted December 11, 2003 Report Share Posted December 11, 2003 Our group member: WENDY CALLAHAN lovthatlea@... is on thesky97.3 this morning (florida) on a three hour show on vaccines...covering the flu vax.....think of her....and all you praying folks....pray for her too. I just got off the phone with her husband and he said that some of the participants would be some one from the local health department, administrater(s) of the flu vax...etc. PRAY FOR HER Thanks, Kimberley --------signature------------- Does the supposed intent to irradicate from the human population animal born viral and or bacterial diseases justify the blatant sacrifices of human life? We (pro-lifers) may be particular with what cosmetic products we avoid which contain aborted fetal tissue. After being informed of the ongoing use of these blatant human sacrifices, just exactly how can any acclaimed christian justify their continued participation by vaccinations (containing aborted fetal tissue) without contradicting their Bible based belief in the sanctity of human life? ABORTIONS WERE LITERALLY INTENDED FOR VACCINATION. Need more convincing that the abortion industry plays a large role in vaccine manufacturing? Sorry folks, though this may look like a trumped up horror story, I strongly suggest you research on government sites before dismissing the reality. Let the manufacturer(s) and government tell you in their own words: http://home.earthlink.net/~medlins/ This website is updated daily Experts Question Potency of Flu Vaccine > " The data indicate that the vaccine in use does protect to a good extent > against the currently circulating strain, " Stohr said. " > And how do they know this? Where is this data? > > " Dr. Schaffner, head of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt > University, noted that even a vaccine that is 50 percent effective may turn > a serious illness into a milder one and help protect those who are > especially vulnerable, such as the elderly, against pneumonia and death. " > Where do they get this garbage and why do people believe it? > > Sheri > > >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:30:13 -0800 > >From: Belkin > > http://story.news./news?tmpl=story & u=/ap/20031210/ap_on_he_me/flu_v > accine_10 > > Experts Question Potency of Flu Vaccine > Wed Dec 10, 9:36 AM ET Add Health - AP to My > > > By DANIEL Q. HANEY, AP Medical Editor > > Even as federal officials try to round up extra doses of the flu vaccine, > many experts are wondering just how much protection the shots will give the > millions who have taken them. > > > > > Vaccine makers produced 83 million doses this year, but the early and > intense outbreak in some Western states has dried up supplies in many > places. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites) > said Tuesday it is trying to redistribute what is left and might buy less > than 500,000 additional doses from a British maker. > > > " The main concern we are facing is the gap between demand for the vaccine > and the supply, " said Dr. Gerberding, the CDC's head. > > > The flu shot available this year was formulated to protect against three > strains of the virus. But the strain actually circulating is somewhat > different, and it is probably too late to develop an extra shot. > > > Even though one of the three is a close cousin of this season's bug, > whether that will be enough to help people ward off the flu is unknown. > Some experts expect the level of protection to be less than 50 percent. > > > Most agree the vaccine will do at least some good. But the word " some " is > about specific as CDC scientists are willing to get. > > > Even in the best years, the flu shot is not foolproof. Ordinarily it's 70 > percent to 90 percent effective in healthy young adults and somewhat less > so in the elderly. > > > The last time the vaccine missed the mark was in 1997, when a strain called > A-Sydney appeared that was significantly different from the strain included > in the flu shot. Doctors are still uncertain about how much good the shot > did that season, although the CDC estimates it was 30 percent to 50 percent > protective. > > > Scientists say this year's mismatch does not seem to be as great as it was > six years ago, but they cannot say with certainty how well the flu shot > will work, or even whether it will. > > > " With a vaccine with a less optimal match, you have to say it might not > work at all, " said Dr. Harper, a CDC epidemiologist. " That's very > unlikely. Probably it will not be 90 percent effective. But we just have no > good sense of how it will work in humans. Biology is messy. " > > > The mismatch occurred when experts decided to include a strain called > A-Panama in this year's shot, the same as last year. It turns out that the > dominant virus this fall has been A-Fujian, which has two genetic mutations. > > > A variety of studies using ferrets, the primary lab animal for flu > experiments, and human blood suggest that the Panama shots should offer at > least partial protection against the Fujian strain. The most encouraging > predictions come from the World Health Organization (news - web sites), > which, along with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites), > decides what strains will be included in the shot. > > > Dr. Klaus Stohr said blood taken from people who got this year's shot shows > they have 41 percent fewer antibodies against Fujian virus than they do > against Panama, and three-quarters of vaccinated adults have enough > antibodies to protect against Fujian. > > > " The data indicate that the vaccine in use does protect to a good extent > against the currently circulating strain, " Stohr said. > > > However, Harper said human blood samples and ferret experiments cannot be > reliably used to predict how well a vaccine will work. The CDC is doing > several studies to estimate how well people are protected in areas where > the flu is circulating, but the answer probably will not be known until the > end of the flu season. > > > Dr. Walt Orenstein, director of the CDC's National Immunization Program, > said it is probably too late to create an additional vaccine for this > season, although manufacturers are working with the Fujian strain. " I won't > rule it out, but it's unlikely, " he said. > > > Meanwhile, doctors continue to urge people to get vaccinated, even though > supplies are running short, because the vaccine may help make the flu less > severe, even if it fails to give complete protection. It also protects > against two other flu strains that could appear later in the season. > > > > > > Dr. Kemmerly, associate head of infectious diseases at the Oschner > Clinic in New Orleans, said there is already anecdotal evidence that the > shots are helping people escape the worst of the flu. > > " Of the people we are seeing who were vaccinated and have flu-like > symptoms, it is much milder than if they had not been vaccinated at all, " > she said. > > Dr. Theodore Eickhoff of the University of Colorado, a member of the FDA > advisory committee that chose this year's vaccine, estimated it will be > less than 50 percent effective at preventing the flu. " It's a guess based > on prior years' experience with variant strains, " he said. > > Dr. Schaffner, head of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt > University, noted that even a vaccine that is 50 percent effective may turn > a serious illness into a milder one and help protect those who are > especially vulnerable, such as the elderly, against pneumonia and death. > > The CDC said flu is now widespread in at least 13 states, and as of last > week, it was everywhere except Massachusetts and Washington, D.C. > > ___ > > EDITOR'S NOTE: Medical Editor Q. Haney is a special correspondent > for The Associated Press. > > ___ > > On the Net: > > http://www.cdc.gov/nip/flu/default.htm > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2003 Report Share Posted December 11, 2003 Sorry no web access! It was awwwwwsome!!! 3 hours of slamming vaccines! It flew by! I didn't get to discuss 1/10 of what I wanted to discuss but it was excellent!!! Almost everyone was on my side. Did get a couple of doctors riled up but was able to easily blow them off and make them look bad. One guy accused me of wanting a lawsuit. I quickly took responsibility for me not researching vaccines first before I injected my child. It was no ones fault but my own that my child was damaged and that shut him up! One asked me if I had ever seen whooping cough to which I replied yes my son had it after 4 shots of it were injected in! That did not go over well with him!!! Most everyone said how brave I was to do this. Going against the grain is not easy and opening up yourself to ridicule was commendable. That made me feel really good. We will see. I had over 200 hits to my website after the show so someone is listening! All the best, " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should be given to their children " <A HREF= " http://www.vaccinetruth.org/ " >Vaccine Information</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2003 Report Share Posted December 11, 2003 At 08:03 PM 12/11/2003 EST, you wrote: >Sorry no web access! It was awwwwwsome!!! 3 hours of slamming >vaccines! It flew by! I didn't get to discuss 1/10 of what I wanted to discuss but it >was excellent!!! Almost everyone was on my side. Did get a couple of doctors >riled up but was able to easily blow them off and make them look bad. One guy >accused me of wanting a lawsuit. I quickly took responsibility for me not >researching vaccines first before I injected my child. It was no ones fault but my >own that my child was damaged and that shut him up! One asked me if I had >ever seen whooping cough to which I replied yes my son had it after 4 shots of it >were injected in! That did not go over well with him!!! Most everyone said >how brave I was to do this. Going against the grain is not easy and opening up >yourself to ridicule was commendable. That made me feel really good. We will >see. I had over 200 hits to my website after the show so someone is listening! > >All the best, > WOW ! Congratulations - you have been initiated! And 3 hours! Whooptie do! Sounds like you did great! Thank you for doing what you do! Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2003 Report Share Posted December 11, 2003 You go !! Score one for the good side. : ) I wish I could have been a fly on the wall to hear that debate! Awesome awesome!! Kay *************** Sorry no web access! It was awwwwwsome!!! 3 hours of slamming vaccines! It flew by! I didn't get to discuss 1/10 of what I wanted to discuss but it was excellent!!! Almost everyone was on my side. Did get a couple of doctors riled up but was able to easily blow them off and make them look bad. One guy accused me of wanting a lawsuit. I quickly took responsibility for me not researching vaccines first before I injected my child. It was no ones fault but my own that my child was damaged and that shut him up! One asked me if I had ever seen whooping cough to which I replied yes my son had it after 4 shots of it were injected in! That did not go over well with him!!! Most everyone said how brave I was to do this. Going against the grain is not easy and opening up yourself to ridicule was commendable. That made me feel really good. We will see. I had over 200 hits to my website after the show so someone is listening! All the best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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