Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 I think they want you to believe there is NO other alternative to there FLU shot. They want to discourage people all they can. But there are those of us who KNOW better. Amy <A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines " > </A>D<A HREF= " http://www.vaccinetruth.org/ " >Id you know ?</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 In a message dated 12/8/2003 10:34:06 AM Central Standard Time, fourlittleblessings2love@... writes: > Does anyone believe this or think it is a scare tactic to get parents to > not buy herbs? > Bambi, Of course.. as they do not tell you how many children do not respond to amoxicillin and how many get rashes, etc from it.. .. more than they are willing to admit.. Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 In a message dated 12/8/2003 11:48:09 AM Central Standard Time, fourlittleblessings2love@... writes: > amoxicillian. I never, even as a baby, responded to it, my sister and mom > are allergic and 2 of my kids are allergic to it (with rashes)! What happened > to it..it used to be " the life saving drug " when it was first introduced! > Bambi, Over prescribed for things it was never meant to work on. The doctors control it.. so.. it could never be abused.. right? (said sarcastically) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 what do you think? At 11:29 AM 12/08/2003 -0800, you wrote: >My mom was telling me about this. Does anyone believe this or think it is a scare tactic to get parents to not buy herbs? >Bambi > from aol news > > > > Echinacea Doesn't Help Children's ColdsHerbal Remedy No Better Than Placebo -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 I also saw it in our paper. Pharmaceutical co's advertise via full page ads. That is alot of money for the papers. (Noone should hesitate to let me know if my impression is not correct.) I suffered a severe sore throat three weeks ago. I took much vit c and echinacea and got rid of it in two days. , Ca >From: " Bambi Elliott " <fourlittleblessings2love@...> >Reply-Vaccinations ><Vaccinations > >Subject: Re: from aol news >Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:29:19 -0800 > >My mom was telling me about this. Does anyone believe this or think it is a >scare tactic to get parents to not buy herbs? >Bambi > from aol news > > > > Echinacea Doesn't Help Children's ColdsHerbal Remedy No Better Than >Placebo > in Fighting Kids Cold SymptomsBy <A >HREF= " http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Biography/7/1756_54621htm " >Jen\ nifer >Warner</A> > WebMD Medical News Reviewed By <A >HREF= " http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Biography/7/40428.htm " >Brunild\ a > Nazario, MD</A> > > > > > >Email to a friend</A> > <A >HREF= " http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Article/77/95554.htm?printing=\ true " >Printer-friendly >version</A> > > Dec. 2, 2003 - Giving your child a dose of echinacea to treat the >sniffles of > a cold isn't likely to offer either of you any relief, and your child >may > actually end up with a rash.A new study shows that Echinacea purpurea, a >form of > echinacea commonly used for medicinal purposes, isn't any better than >placebo > in reducing the severity or duration of cold symptoms in children from 2 >to 11 > years old.Researchers say that echinacea is one of the most common >herbal > remedies in the U.S. and is often used for the prevention and treatment >of colds > and upper respiratory symptoms.Since the average child has about six to >eight > colds per year, researchers say they are frequently given >antihistamines, > cough suppressants, and herbal remedies to reduce symptoms such as runny >nose, > congestion, and cough, but little is known about the effectiveness of >these > treatments in children under 12.Echinacea Doesn't Ease Kids' ColdsIn the >study, > published in the Dec. 3 issue of the Journal of the American Medical >Association, > researchers compared the effects of Echinacea purpurea versus a placebo >in > treating colds among a group of 407 children. Among the 700 colds >encountered by > the children during a four-month period, about half were treated with > echinacea and half with a placebo. Treatment began when the symptoms >began and > continued for a maximum of 10 days.Researchers found no difference in >the duration > of colds between either treatment group. The average length of the cold >was > nine days in both the echinacea and placebo group. There was also no >difference > in the overall severity of symptoms.Although the number of adverse >events was > similar in both groups, the study showed 7% of the children treated with > echinacea developed a rash compared with only 3% of those on the >placebo.Researchers > say that given the lack of documented effectiveness in treating >children's > colds and the increased risk of rash, their results do not support the >use of > Echinacea purpurea in children 2 to 11 years old.But they say more >studies are > needed to determine if different echinacea preparations, doses, or >dosing > frequency might have a role in treating colds in children.SOURCE: >, J. > Journal of the American Medical Association, Dec. 3, 2003; vol 290: pp >2824-2830. > > > > > > <A >HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines " > </A>D<A >HREF= " http://www.vaccinetruth.org/ " >Id you know ?</A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 My mom was telling me about this. Does anyone believe this or think it is a scare tactic to get parents to not buy herbs? Bambi from aol news Echinacea Doesn't Help Children's ColdsHerbal Remedy No Better Than Placebo in Fighting Kids Cold SymptomsBy <A HREF= " http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Biography/7/1756_54621htm " >Jenn\ ifer Warner</A> WebMD Medical News Reviewed By <A HREF= " http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Biography/7/40428.htm " >Brunilda Nazario, MD</A> > >Email to a friend</A> > <A HREF= " http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Article/77/95554.htm?printing=t\ rue " >Printer-friendly version</A> Dec. 2, 2003 - Giving your child a dose of echinacea to treat the sniffles of a cold isn't likely to offer either of you any relief, and your child may actually end up with a rash.A new study shows that Echinacea purpurea, a form of echinacea commonly used for medicinal purposes, isn't any better than placebo in reducing the severity or duration of cold symptoms in children from 2 to 11 years old.Researchers say that echinacea is one of the most common herbal remedies in the U.S. and is often used for the prevention and treatment of colds and upper respiratory symptoms.Since the average child has about six to eight colds per year, researchers say they are frequently given antihistamines, cough suppressants, and herbal remedies to reduce symptoms such as runny nose, congestion, and cough, but little is known about the effectiveness of these treatments in children under 12.Echinacea Doesn't Ease Kids' ColdsIn the study, published in the Dec. 3 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, researchers compared the effects of Echinacea purpurea versus a placebo in treating colds among a group of 407 children. Among the 700 colds encountered by the children during a four-month period, about half were treated with echinacea and half with a placebo. Treatment began when the symptoms began and continued for a maximum of 10 days.Researchers found no difference in the duration of colds between either treatment group. The average length of the cold was nine days in both the echinacea and placebo group. There was also no difference in the overall severity of symptoms.Although the number of adverse events was similar in both groups, the study showed 7% of the children treated with echinacea developed a rash compared with only 3% of those on the placebo.Researchers say that given the lack of documented effectiveness in treating children's colds and the increased risk of rash, their results do not support the use of Echinacea purpurea in children 2 to 11 years old.But they say more studies are needed to determine if different echinacea preparations, doses, or dosing frequency might have a role in treating colds in children.SOURCE: , J. Journal of the American Medical Association, Dec. 3, 2003; vol 290: pp 2824-2830. <A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines " > </A>D<A HREF= " http://www.vaccinetruth.org/ " >Id you know ?</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 I belive that the FDA will NEVER EVER approve herbs because of their healing effect. They would loose millions upon millions of dollars. I have heard of herbs healing those with cancers and in Cancer alone, they would loose so so much money, not only the gov, but healthcare in gereral. I give Ecinacea to my kids. Just started a few months ago so I have not yet seen spiratic results. Actually they have a cold now, my 3rd has had it for 3 weeks now. I don't know, the oldest had his for about 2 weeks and the 2nd only had a touch of it for about a couple of days. I think it depends on their immune system. I don't know how much I should give though. Also I have read that you should not take it for longer than 2 weeks at a time. Does anyone know why that would be? Bambi from aol news > > > > Echinacea Doesn't Help Children's ColdsHerbal Remedy No Better Than Placebo -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 Funny you should mention amoxicillian. I never, even as a baby, responded to it, my sister and mom are allergic and 2 of my kids are allergic to it (with rashes)! What happened to it..it used to be " the life saving drug " when it was first introduced! Bambi Re: from aol news In a message dated 12/8/2003 10:34:06 AM Central Standard Time, fourlittleblessings2love@... writes: > Does anyone believe this or think it is a scare tactic to get parents to > not buy herbs? > Bambi, Of course.. as they do not tell you how many children do not respond to amoxicillin and how many get rashes, etc from it.. .. more than they are willing to admit.. Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 Ya know antother thing, I was looking through a parenting magazine the other day and could not believe the amount of adds for vaccines and other meds that pharmasuiticals had placed. I wonder how much money the magazines make off of that! Bambi from aol news > > > > > > > > Echinacea Doesn't Help Children's ColdsHerbal Remedy No Better Than > >Placebo > > in Fighting Kids Cold SymptomsBy <A > >HREF= " http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Biography/7/1756_54621htm " >Jen\ nifer > >Warner</A> > > WebMD Medical News Reviewed By <A > >HREF= " http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Biography/7/40428.htm " >Brunild\ a > > Nazario, MD</A> > > > > > > > > > >Email to a friend</A> > <A > >HREF= " http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/Article/77/95554.htm?printing=\ true " >Printer-friendly > >version</A> > > > > Dec. 2, 2003 - Giving your child a dose of echinacea to treat the > >sniffles of > > a cold isn't likely to offer either of you any relief, and your child > >may > > actually end up with a rash.A new study shows that Echinacea purpurea, > > a > >form of > > echinacea commonly used for medicinal purposes, isn't any better than > >placebo > > in reducing the severity or duration of cold symptoms in children from > > 2 > >to 11 > > years old.Researchers say that echinacea is one of the most common > >herbal > > remedies in the U.S. and is often used for the prevention and > > treatment > >of colds > > and upper respiratory symptoms.Since the average child has about six > > to > >eight > > colds per year, researchers say they are frequently given > >antihistamines, > > cough suppressants, and herbal remedies to reduce symptoms such as > > runny > >nose, > > congestion, and cough, but little is known about the effectiveness of > >these > > treatments in children under 12.Echinacea Doesn't Ease Kids' ColdsIn > > the > >study, > > published in the Dec. 3 issue of the Journal of the American Medical > >Association, > > researchers compared the effects of Echinacea purpurea versus a > > placebo > >in > > treating colds among a group of 407 children. Among the 700 colds > >encountered by > > the children during a four-month period, about half were treated with > > echinacea and half with a placebo. Treatment began when the symptoms > >began and > > continued for a maximum of 10 days.Researchers found no difference in > >the duration > > of colds between either treatment group. The average length of the > > cold > >was > > nine days in both the echinacea and placebo group. There was also no > >difference > > in the overall severity of symptoms.Although the number of adverse > >events was > > similar in both groups, the study showed 7% of the children treated > > with > > echinacea developed a rash compared with only 3% of those on the > >placebo.Researchers > > say that given the lack of documented effectiveness in treating > >children's > > colds and the increased risk of rash, their results do not support the > >use of > > Echinacea purpurea in children 2 to 11 years old.But they say more > >studies are > > needed to determine if different echinacea preparations, doses, or > >dosing > > frequency might have a role in treating colds in children.SOURCE: > >, J. > > Journal of the American Medical Association, Dec. 3, 2003; vol 290: pp > >2824-2830. > > > > > > > > > > > > <A > >HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines " > </A>D<A > >HREF= " http://www.vaccinetruth.org/ " >Id you know ?</A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 Bambi~ Echinacea is an herb that the body can get " used to " , so that's why you only give it for 2 weeks, then take a week off, then give it for 2 weeks, repeat... etc. Jan G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2003 Report Share Posted December 8, 2003 Bambi, Theoretically echinacea shouldn't be taken for more than a few weeks at a time, because it stimulates white blood cells and you don't want to keep doing that. But I've talked to clinical herbalists and they've said that clinically they've never seen a problem with it. There are so many theoretical concerns that just don't play out in real life situations. Also, herbal medicine is an art. " Echinacea for colds and flu " is a terribly simplistic application of it. Clinical herbalists never use it that way. The immune system is very complex, and echinacea stimulates one aspect of it. You usually want to use echinacea in a synergistic formula that contains other herbs that all work together, and this is more effective and reduces any possible side effects. So when herbs are poo-pooed in the media, it's partly because people generally don't know how to use them effectively. Like with homeopathics, you can't just go to the store and buy " a pill for an ill " and expect it to work. This is how these artful healing practices come to be so misunderstood. Still, herbs are generally SO much more benign than allopathic drugs, that even if you do'nt have access to a clinical herbalist, with a few herbal books you can often treat yourself safely for self-limiting conditions and get some good results. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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