Re: Breastfeeding vs Pertussis question

[Guest guest]

From what I understand, breastfeeding the first year of a child's life helps

protect against pertussis to a certain degree. If the mother never was

vaccinated for pertussis, that is even better for the baby.

`~*`~*`~*

Holly~ momma to:

iel (5/96) & Jenavieve (5/02)

" The care of children is life's most important task. " Owl

[Guest guest]

Thanks Holly. From what I read on a few sites on the internet, in a

recent epidemic in the US, of all the people who got pertussis, 82% had

4/4 shots and the rest had 3 out of 4 shots. So it seems quite

confusing...

Lorinda

On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 09:43 , Holly Carpenter wrote:

> From what I understand, breastfeeding the first year of a child's life

> helps protect against pertussis to a certain degree. If the mother

> never was vaccinated for pertussis, that is even better for the baby.

> `~*`~*`~*

> Holly~ momma to:

> iel  (5/96) & Jenavieve (5/02)

> " The care of children is life's most important task. " Owl

>

>

[Guest guest]

The vaccine wears off. So, if the mother had never had the vaccine and had

actually *had* pertussis,

she would be able to assist her nursing baby if exposed to pertussis, but

otherwise not, hopefully

delaying infection until the baby is better able to cope with the illness.

I'm guessing the vaccination

is not so much a factor in protection as having had an actual case of it in

the past. Just yet another

case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

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Re: Breastfeeding vs Pertussis question

Thanks Holly. From what I read on a few sites on the internet, in a

recent epidemic in the US, of all the people who got pertussis, 82% had

4/4 shots and the rest had 3 out of 4 shots. So it seems quite

confusing...

Lorinda

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Another thing which crossed my mind is that, apparently a breastfed

baby's response to vaccines is better than a bottle fed baby's. So,

shouldn't breastfed babies rather receive only one instead DTP of three?

Also, if the mother provides antibodies through her milk, couldn't the

mother receive the vaccine(s), develop the antibodies, and pass them on

through her breast milk?

Vaccines scare me. With my other two children: they were both breastfed

(each, two years) and what I noticed was that they were very healthy

until they received their vaccines. Then they developed ear infections

and colds, etc., as if the immune system was " engaged " and couldn't

respond so well to ordinary germs at the same time. With my third, who

has only received one OPV and BCG at birth, she is extremely healthy.

Lorinda

On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 08:26 , wrote:

> The vaccine wears off. So, if the mother had never had the vaccine and

> had

> actually *had* pertussis,

> she would be able to assist her nursing baby if exposed to pertussis,

> but

> otherwise not, hopefully

> delaying infection until the baby is better able to cope with the

> illness.

> I'm guessing the vaccination

> is not so much a factor in protection as having had an actual case of

> it in

> the past. Just yet another

> case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

>

> -

>   Re: Breastfeeding vs Pertussis question

>

>

>   Thanks Holly.  From what I read on a few sites on the internet, in a

>   recent epidemic in the US, of all the people who got pertussis, 82%

> had

>   4/4 shots and the rest had 3 out of 4 shots.  So it seems quite

>   confusing...

>   Lorinda

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 10:26 PM 11/09/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>The vaccine wears off. So, if the mother had never had the vaccine and had

>actually *had* pertussis,

>she would be able to assist her nursing baby if exposed to pertussis, but

>otherwise not, hopefully

>delaying infection until the baby is better able to cope with the illness.

>I'm guessing the vaccination

>is not so much a factor in protection as having had an actual case of it in

>the past. Just yet another

>case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

>

>-

And that is assuming the vaccine 'works' at all to even wear off

The vaccines sensitize - the do not give immunity and do not wear off

In my opinion, its like the vaccine gives you a chronic (under the surface)

case of pertussis and the body then can't experience an acute case of it

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[Guest guest]

At 02:22 PM 11/10/2003 -0000, you wrote:

>Doesn't the pertussis vaccine " work " in only 70% of those vaccinated?

>

>I don't know why the vax authorities are so bewildered as to why the

>recent increases in pertussis. I know 70% is considered good for

>herd immunity. Maybe we just have a herd now with more depressed

>immune systems.

>

>Jackie Noel

>www.sagaciousairedales.com

>www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

IT doesn't WORK in anyone, in my opinon

How do we know it works? Titres - we have discussed that over and over -

titres don't indicate immunity

Didn't get the disease? Maybe wouldn't haev anyway?

Works means gives immunity

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

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OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

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[Guest guest]

> At 02:22 PM 11/10/2003 -0000, Jackie wrote:

> >Doesn't the pertussis vaccine " work " in only 70% of those vaccinated?

> >

> >I don't know why the vax authorities are so bewildered as to why the

> >recent increases in pertussis. I know 70% is considered good for

> >herd immunity. Maybe we just have a herd now with more depressed

> >immune systems.

> >

Sheri replied:

> IT doesn't WORK in anyone, in my opinon

> How do we know it works? Titres - we have discussed that over and over -

> titres don't indicate immunity

> Didn't get the disease? Maybe wouldn't haev anyway?

>

> Works means gives immunity

And can you truly successfully *immunise* against a bacterium anyway?

Bacteria mutate all the time - one dose of pertussis does not guarantee

lifelong immunity, does it?

Occurrence of this dis-ease has to be down to susceptibility, and the degree

of it to medical *labelling*.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" Many people will walk in and out of your life but only true friends will

leave footprints on your heart. "

[Guest guest]

Hi everybody,

All of this information is super. How common place is a broken rib,

hemorrage or brain damage due to forceful coughing in a small child? (my

toddler is not quite two and a girl, I don't know if that makes a

difference?) Could this be similar to the flu, if you are susceptible you

get it badly, and if you are not the case is mild? I don't get the flu (no

shot either) but my husband did after a flu shot and he has never had one

again. Forgive the question overload, I do not have anyone with whom I can

discuss these things.

Thank you,

, Ca

>From: Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...>

>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: RE: Breastfeeding vs Pertussis question

>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:56:29 +0000

>

>At 10:26 PM 11/09/2003 -0800, you wrote:

> >The vaccine wears off. So, if the mother had never had the vaccine and

>had

> >actually *had* pertussis,

> >she would be able to assist her nursing baby if exposed to pertussis, but

> >otherwise not, hopefully

> >delaying infection until the baby is better able to cope with the

>illness.

> >I'm guessing the vaccination

> >is not so much a factor in protection as having had an actual case of it

>in

> >the past. Just yet another

> >case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

> >

> >-

>

>And that is assuming the vaccine 'works' at all to even wear off

>The vaccines sensitize - the do not give immunity and do not wear off

>In my opinion, its like the vaccine gives you a chronic (under the surface)

>case of pertussis and the body then can't experience an acute case of it

>--------------------------------------------------------

>Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

>Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

>$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

>vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

>(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

>Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

>Homeopathy course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

>ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

> OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

>DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

>

>******

> " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

>Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

>knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

>and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

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