Guest guest Posted November 14, 2001 Report Share Posted November 14, 2001 I am saddened by the current events here. I dont think this is what everyone wants. Now Elenora is leaving. Our biggest cheerleaders are leaving and no one seems to want to do anything about it. This is sad! I read something last night that I think would really apply here. " Everything is permissible, but not everything is benefical. Everything is permissible, but not everything is constructive. " I Corinthians 10:23 Even if your not religous I think everyone can benefit from this verse. Perhaps we can think about this and how we come to this group. I need a group like this, and I am comfortable talking to you ladies about my weight, because I was assured you all want the same things I do. I would hate to see even more people leave because their needs are not being fulfilled. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 In a message dated 1/15/03 1:52:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, huie@... writes: > > Inclusion is not for every child. In a perfect world, a school would have > all the education options open, and there would be kids with special needs > being educated in many methods, and forms. It is the parent's > responsibility to choose the educational setting that will be most > beneficial for their own child, and proceed with whatever measures are > required to see their child receives the services needed Ideally Inclusion IS for every child... unfortunately not every school/school district has to resources readily available or " gets " it. It's no good if the child is thrown into the regular classroom without loving and sincere support from staff and peers. We're facing that MS hurdle ourselves. If we stay in our school system there is no way she could be fully included for MS. The administration is clueless and chooses to remain that way. would really suffer. So I'm choosing to change school systems for her next year. Not ideal, but if I want to keep in Inclusion it's what we will have to do. Not all people have this option. - B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 In a message dated 1/15/03 4:52:27 PM Central Standard Time, jls1995@... writes: > . Do you want to know how her NORA was done? Out of a FOUR page NORA, the > stupid signature page was the SECOND page. Which meant that you signed > before you knew what the final placement was going to be. How's that for > informing a parent of what they need to know. Sounds like the system is > set up to make sure that parents just sign and then that's it. I have a question? Do you always sign a document, regardless of what it's for without reading it? If not why would you sign a IEP, NORA or any sped document without first reading it? Signing something without reading it is a no-no, that's just common sense, but many parents are to trusting, (while I read the documents I still agreed cause I trusted " them " ) live and learn. And for 's IEP the sig. page is actually the first page. Other parents are one of the best place to start the learning process NOT through the schools representatives. Another good place would be to get together with an advocate who's 'job' is to help you make informed decisions. Be informed, go to local workshops when they're offered and you will get what is most appropriate for you child. :-) Joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 I appreciate the opinions as well. As far as the inclusion issue goes; Personally, I had a sped director who FAILED to PROPERLY inform ME that Jordan had the RIGHT to at least TRY an LRE. She lost a whole year of academic instruction and who knows how far along she could have gone if I had known. Believe me, I've beaten myself up enough over that and I blame my self for not being more informed. People in this town know me as a fighter for Jordan's rights. When it comes to what she's entitled to within the school system, well sorry but It's not my job to inform me of what she's entitled to. It's his. He's supposed to be supportive FOR the child and the parent. Otherwise, he should leave the job title of Special Education Director and join the ranks of teachers and educational staff members who don't give a darn. She has the right to at least try it to see if it's for her. If not, then at least I can say that we were informed and we tried. But I was never given that chance and neither was she. Do you want to know how her NORA was done? Out of a FOUR page NORA, the stupid signature page was the SECOND page. Which meant that you signed before you knew what the final placement was going to be. How's that for informing a parent of what they need to know. Sounds like the system is set up to make sure that parents just sign and then that's it. And that's what happened with me. I signed and that was it because I was uninformed and I didn't know. I respect the rights of others not to place their children in fully included classrooms. That's their prerogative. But please don't make it sound like every single child with DS won't be able to thrive in that type of situation. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. It's not up to us to tell them that they can't. We have to at least give them as many opportunities as possible and not limit anything we wouldn't want for our other children . Judi - Proud mother to Jordan 7, ds and Savannah 10 weeks, nda Where ever you go.... There you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 OK..I admit to being dumb here. What is the difference between inclusion and mainstreaming? I thought they were one and the same?????? > , I want to hear about > the negative experiences of inclusion, mainstreaming, and self > contained. And I also think that the different opinions help us to teach each other.......... -- Leis....mum to 5 & Natasha 11 months The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time. Bertrand (1872 - 1970) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 HOW DOES INCLUSION DIFFER FROM MAINSTREAMING AND INTEGRATION? Mainstreaming The mainstreamed student's primary placement is in a self-contained class for students with disabilities. These students are taken out of separate classrooms for specific portions of the school day and placed in classrooms with their non-disabled peers, usually with no supports and accommodations, and with performance expectations similar to those of the typical students. Mainstreaming proponents generally assume that a student must " earn " his or her opportunity to be mainstreamed through the ability to " keep up " with the work assigned. Mainstreaming is offered primarily to students with mild disabilities, and often involves only non-academic subjects, such as art, gym, music, and lunch. Integration The primary placement remains a separate special education classroom. Students are placed in the regular class for selected activities based upon a " match " between the student's needs and the ongoing activity in the regular classroom (i.e., the activity provides an opportunity to learn a valuable skill). There may be individualized goals for the student with disabilities that may or may not reference the ongoing activity in the regular classroom. Students are viewed as " outsiders " that need to be merged into the environment. Inclusion The primary placement is in the regular classroom, although instruction may also be provided in other settings based on the student's needs. Supports and performance expectations vary based upon the student's needs and goals as stated in the Individualized Education Program (IEP). Students may be engaged in the same activity with or without modifications, or may be engaged in parallel activities (i.e., same content area but different activity). It involves bringing the support services to the child (rather than moving the child to the services) and requires only that the child will benefit from being in the class (rather than having to keep up with the other students). Inclusion has come to be preferred primarily because it connotes that students with disabilities are considered to be part of the regular classroom. http://stepsforward.homestead.com/R3BurlingtonIclusionProject.html Re: my feelings OK..I admit to being dumb here. What is the difference between inclusion and mainstreaming? I thought they were one and the same?????? > , I want to hear about > the negative experiences of inclusion, mainstreaming, and self > contained. And I also think that the different opinions help us to teach each other.......... -- Leis....mum to 5 & Natasha 11 months The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time. Bertrand (1872 - 1970) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 In a message dated 1/16/03 10:58:35 AM Central Standard Time, RSYOSH@... writes: > Getting out of there and into a regular class was a huge releif! HI In defense of some of Sara's challenging behaviors they were learned in the Sped class and I do advise all parents here to visit the sped class before agreeing on the placement. Kathy mom to Sara 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 In a message dated 1/16/03 1:29:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes: > ESY has already been > filled in (and usually it's checked " no. " That was one of the topics brought up at yesterdays meeting. Forrest said, " usually we start discussing ESY at this meeting. " The response was, " Well of course we expect to have a program here and Sheila would have one of the slots. Is there a problem with that? " LOL, of course we had no problem with it! I feel so bad for parents who have had to fight for this--it has always been the expected for Sheila--in fact there was one year when we asked to take a break from it and the district was upset! There was one other year when we were going to be vacationing for 2 weeks in the middle of the 6 week session. So the district set up a special program just for Sheila. nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Cheryl, that's what happened to me. I asked about an ESY for Jordan because Last school year she missed a total of 68 days of school due to illness. She was denied an ESY because she hadn't regressed... My point to them was that she might have been further along with those 68 days not being missed and that she should have gotten the opportunity to make them up during the summer. They made the decision. I thought that was a " team " decision. Considering I'm supposed to be a part of that " team " I feel like my position on it didn't matter. Judi - Proud mother to Jordan 7, ds and Savannah 10 weeks, nda Where ever you go.... There you are Re: Re: my feelings How many of you have gone to an IEP meeting where the ESY has already been filled in (and usually it's checked " no. " ) and you are given no explanation or you are told " this is for summer school and your child won't regress over the summer so he/she doesn't need summer school. " Guess what, ESY is more than summer school ..... has any school official told you that? Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 , I only wish I could get ESY for Jordan. However, since I've fought more than my share of battles this year - most being 7 -9 months pregnant, I think I'm just going to enroll her in Camp Pennwood for the entire 6 weeks this year. She loved the horseback riding and swimming last year. Judi - Proud mother to Jordan 7, ds and Savannah 10 weeks, nda Where ever you go.... There you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 > I'm a big fan of inclusion. When Liam was born, his 8 year old cousin said > to me, " Oh, Liam has Down syndrome. He can come to my school. Two kids in my > class have it. " Caitie was one of the 'typical' kids in an inclusion program > in upstate NY. She went from being a 'C' student to a high 'B' because of > the extra attention she received her first year, because there where two > teachers and two aids in the room with 19-20 kids. The acceptance she showed > is what we're all looking for. > >Please tell me where? We live in upstate NY. Donna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 In a message dated 1/17/2003 2:18:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, JB66111@... writes: > She mentioned that she has seen so many kids and even > more adults who have learned behaviors because all their lives they have > been > mostly around other kids and adults with problems. I had a mom tell me that she came to the conclusion that the same group of kids her daughter had been with year after year was more like a dysfunctional family than anything else. Cheryl in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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