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The majority of parents who stay on this list have children who are getting

better or are already normal. They don't have to stay on this list to answer

questions but they do on a voluntarily basis for one reason and one reason

only. They want to help others. All of the volunteers for the

organization do all of their work for the same reason. Every once in a while

we get a parent on the LISTSERV whose main goal seems to be to attack.

Anybody and everything. Sometimes it is from a sense of frustration sometimes

because their own life is so hard, sometimes because they seem to like

creating chaos. The protocol does work and it is unattainable for the

majority of people. The protocol is tailored to each individual based

upon their history, physical, and test results. This a concept that is not

difficult to understand but how to accomplish it is difficult unless you have

the medical background. While there are some commonalties actual treatment

will vary. There has been a question about antifungal use. The answer is some

children are on antifungals for a long time some for only a few months. Some

don't need them at all. some stay on the same one some alternate every 6

months. Some are on long term maintenance some are not. Some tolerate the

antifungals some do not. The LISTSERV is for people who are engaging in

discussions about and related subjects. The majority of parents who are

on the list get off of it after their child begins therapy because " they have

a life " as someone on the list once so aptly put it. There are some of us who

stay on the list to help out but answering the same questions over and over

again when all of the information, in great detail, is on the website is

quite tedious. We would be a lot more popular if we blamed spectrum disorders

on something (the CDC and immunizations) or prescribed, over the web, things

that you can easily obtain in a health food store for a nominal fee. We

can't. The protocol is medicine and can only be used by a licensed

physician. The office costs are not prohibitive but the lab work which is

essential in making the diagnosis and the medication, which might be needed

for years, is very expensive. The neuroSPECT is also expensive. These are all

realities. The parents group are working very hard to find ways to make this

treatment accessible to more people and to make it less expensive. Some of us

have given up lucrative careers to devote themselves entirely to . All of

us do it in addition to all of our other responsibilities. Attacking us is

not going to help anyone. It does take up time that could be spent in a much

more fruitful manner. If you want your child to benefit from the

protocol help us! Read the websites before you ask your questions. You will

find your answers there. If not phrase your question in a civil manner. You

will get a response in a civil manner. Attack and may receive the same thing

in return. We are nice people but we are only human! If you are from another

organization and your role is to attempt to discredit us think about using

that energy to make your child normal. Remember our statistics...Kathy

-NNY

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I already did that. Thanks. They read them and asked for anything else

I could give them. Tina was nice enough to send me some brochures and

I've distributed some of them as well.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:47:21 EST JOSKAT95@... writes:

> Have you thought about taking some of the articles from the

> neuroimmunedr.com

> site and taking them to the teachers for their information? Kathy

> -NNY

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I think the point that I've been trying to make

about the communication between Dr. Goldberg

is being misunderstood. My son's physicians

are supportive, but they have questions. They

are willing to talk to Dr. Goldberg, but that's

apparently not realistic. (No one's yet answered

my question with an enthusiastic " Yes, Dr. Goldberg

is willing to maintain occasional contact with my

child's pediatrician.) Short of that, opening up

" the protocol " to other physicians might suffice

for the kind of communication that normally takes

place between consultants and treating physicians

when there is ongoing care being provided. This

is what I'd really like people to understand: It is hard

enough for this kind of innovative care to be accepted

in the medical community...I just don't think it's wise

to put supportive physicians this far out of the loop.

Think of the countless times you've heard someone

say that their physician is cynical, critical or negative

about Dr. Goldberg and his treatments ....a physician

who is *reluctant* to support a family who also sees

Dr. Goldberg. If the treating physician isn't

getting good communication from the consulting physicians

or isn't kept in the loop with respect to the medical

decisions being made, he isn't ever going to be

supportive in a way that is constructive for the child

involved. In the long run, and even in the short run,

keep the treating physicians at bay does more harm

than good for kids and for the organization.

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why don't you ask your doctor to pose his questions on a chat session??

Re: Re: Protocol

> I think the point that I've been trying to make

> about the communication between Dr. Goldberg

> is being misunderstood. My son's physicians

> are supportive, but they have questions. They

> are willing to talk to Dr. Goldberg, but that's

> apparently not realistic. (No one's yet answered

> my question with an enthusiastic " Yes, Dr. Goldberg

> is willing to maintain occasional contact with my

> child's pediatrician.) Short of that, opening up

> " the protocol " to other physicians might suffice

> for the kind of communication that normally takes

> place between consultants and treating physicians

> when there is ongoing care being provided. This

> is what I'd really like people to understand: It is hard

> enough for this kind of innovative care to be accepted

> in the medical community...I just don't think it's wise

> to put supportive physicians this far out of the loop.

> Think of the countless times you've heard someone

> say that their physician is cynical, critical or negative

> about Dr. Goldberg and his treatments ....a physician

> who is *reluctant* to support a family who also sees

> Dr. Goldberg. If the treating physician isn't

> getting good communication from the consulting physicians

> or isn't kept in the loop with respect to the medical

> decisions being made, he isn't ever going to be

> supportive in a way that is constructive for the child

> involved. In the long run, and even in the short run,

> keep the treating physicians at bay does more harm

> than good for kids and for the organization.

>

>

>

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute.

>

>

>

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> why don't you ask your doctor to

pose his questions on a chat session??<

Thanks, that's a good idea...I'll see if one

would make herself available. I've only

attended the chat once....is Dr. Goldberg

routinely attending? I'd hate to invite them

to attend, and then not have him available.

Do many physicians participate in the

chats?

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In a message dated 12/17/2001 1:11:30 PM Central Standard Time,

JOSKAT95@... writes:

> We would be a lot more popular if we blamed spectrum disorders

> on something (the CDC and immunizations) or prescribed, over the web,

> things

>

I must have missed something. I haven't really seen the attacks as you

describe. Perhaps I am not getting all posts again.

As a parent who has been dealing with the a severely affected child for over

3 1/2 years--just since diagnosis-- I can tell you why the DAN protocol is

more popular for the time being. It is precisely as you said because parents

can obtain some of the things--not ALL--at local health food stores--and not

always at nominal fees. (Believe me, I have spent thousands of dollars on

that cr_p!) The reason for this is because it is sooooo difficult to get

doctors to participate. When you live in small towns in the places where the

majority of people don't hold a high school diploma, you feel--and usually

are--totally alone in helping your child. Doctors look at you like you are

kidding yourself or like you are on the spectrum as well. " Don't have false

hope! " You look around and even other parents of children on the spectrum

say things like, " Why bother. It's not going to do any good. " So, you latch

on to anything you can get. If someone who seems like they might know says

" give them Vitamin A, " you do it. And you pray.

And the big problem is that there are more people like this than people who

are fortunate enough to live in an area where they have easy access to these

doctors or who are fortunate enough to have the money to fly to California to

see Goldberg himself. And until we make it possible for anyone with a

spectrum child to go to their doctors in their hometowns and get treatment

under the protocol, people will continue to be frustrated and cynical.

Respectfully,

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There is nothing magical anout Dr G's " protocol " . The concept is the practice

of good immunologic medicine which Dr G embraces and has pioneered in our

kids. As with other " protocols " it " works " in a subset of kids in which we do

not yet know who responds. This is our next challenge in treatment.

Understanding who responds to what. Unfortunately Dr G has yet to document

his successes in any systematic way. Yes Virginia, the treating the

underlaying biology is essential, this is what the common pediatrician has to

recognize and with a little research effort on their part they can get on the

bandwagon. Its not a secret but it takes time, time that a busy

pediatric doc may not have or particular interest.

Lovemykiddo wrote:

> I think the point that I've been trying to make

> about the communication between Dr. Goldberg

> is being misunderstood. My son's physicians

> are supportive, but they have questions. They

> are willing to talk to Dr. Goldberg, but that's

> apparently not realistic. (No one's yet answered

> my question with an enthusiastic " Yes, Dr. Goldberg

> is willing to maintain occasional contact with my

> child's pediatrician.) Short of that, opening up

> " the protocol " to other physicians might suffice

> for the kind of communication that normally takes

> place between consultants and treating physicians

> when there is ongoing care being provided. This

> is what I'd really like people to understand: It is hard

> enough for this kind of innovative care to be accepted

> in the medical community...I just don't think it's wise

> to put supportive physicians this far out of the loop.

> Think of the countless times you've heard someone

> say that their physician is cynical, critical or negative

> about Dr. Goldberg and his treatments ....a physician

> who is *reluctant* to support a family who also sees

> Dr. Goldberg. If the treating physician isn't

> getting good communication from the consulting physicians

> or isn't kept in the loop with respect to the medical

> decisions being made, he isn't ever going to be

> supportive in a way that is constructive for the child

> involved. In the long run, and even in the short run,

> keep the treating physicians at bay does more harm

> than good for kids and for the organization.

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute.

>

>

>

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Marc,

Very well said. Thank you!

Tina M. Hendrix

Cure2000@...

Vice-President, California Coalition

Neuro-Immune Dysfunction Syndromes

Autism Spectrum Disorder, ADD/ADHD, Learning Disorders, Hyperactivity, CFS,

etc.

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Let me say, it has been obvious to me, thus far, that what is on Dr.

Goldberg's website, though far reaching and of interest, is not exactly

scientific or of use to other pracitioners.With that info alone available to

the public, Dr. G's cause is poorly served.

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PROTOCOL

Hello,

Has anybody in the list done the protocol with Dr. Goldberg, and if

so can you let me know on both positive and negative, and also does he travel

to meet patients, any info is greatly appreciated .Thanks.

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