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All of the workup should be done so that Dr Goldberg

can get a clear and accurate picture of what is going on

within your child. We also have a DAN Dr and we thought

HE had done all of the tests ... but after seeing the results

from the tests Dr G ordered .... it was very clear

where problems were/weren't.

We have Federal Blue Cross/Shield. They paid for over 75% of

the bloodwork, once the $250 deductable was met.

Total cost without medical ins would've been close to $4000.

With Med ins, it didn't exceed $500. Now Dr G's OV bills

are another story since we live on the East Coast. :-)

doris

from land

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To All,

Just a reminder we are not following DAN physicians

with the protocol. We do not give secretin

injections. Please read the website neuroimmunedr.com.

There is hard, factual, logical and science proving Dr.

Goldberg's and other researchers, scientists and physicians

that the protocol will treat and even possibly cure

our children. We must start reading the info in the

neuroimmunedr.com website !!

Thank you,

Michele Davies

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It's not all that clear where on the web site this

information is. It would be very helpful if there

were a separate section entitled " protocol " .

Thanks,

Aliza

--- isoaa@... wrote:

>

> To All,

>

> Just a reminder we are not following DAN physicians

> with the protocol. We do not give secretin

> injections. Please read the website

> neuroimmunedr.com.

> There is hard, factual, logical and science proving

> Dr.

> Goldberg's and other researchers, scientists and

> physicians

> that the protocol will treat and even possibly

> cure

> our children. We must start reading the info in the

> neuroimmunedr.com website !!

>

> Thank you,

> Michele Davies

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

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The Coaltion is working as we speak to finalize the first draft of a

protocol handbook. we are working very hard and as fast as we can. we can

sure use help to speed this up. we are also working on standardizing new

patient packets and Nids info packets to inquirers. please, if you can help

in any way, call or e-mail me at 707-538-2193

Tina M. Hendrix

Cure2000@...

Vice-President, California Coalition

Neuro-Immune Dysfunction Syndromes

Autism Spectrum Disorder, ADD/ADHD, Learning Disorders, Hyperactivity, CFS,

etc.

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It would be inappropriate and bad to medicine to hand out any medical

protocol to lay people. I rather doubt that Sloan Kettering hand out cancer

protocols to anyone who asks. Protocols are not the same as cake recipes. You

do not follow them blindly. They are guidelines for people who have the

experience and training to use them. It is as important to know when not to

follow a protocol in individual cases as it is to follow it. The protocol

will be shared with physicians when they receive their training. That alone

will not make them totally proficient but the training and experience that

they bring to the training and the experience that they will get by

using it will. If Dr. Goldberg spends time consulting with physicians all

over the country he will not have the time to see his rather large caseload

of patients, or do all of the other things he does for the organization.

Kathy -NNY

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In a message dated 12/9/2001 7:16:06 PM Central Standard Time,

JOSKAT95@... writes:

> The protocol

>

So, basically, we have to first convince our doctors that this could be the

answer for our children. Then we must convince them to spend time and money

for additional training? Then they can get the protocol on how to treat our

children? Most doctors I know already have a full case load so it won't be

the promise of lots of new patients that will lure them. Oh boy! I can tell

this is going to be an uphill battle!

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This is an issue of practicing safe, good medicine. There is, unfortunately,

also the ever present issue of liability. One of the very first questions

asked in a courtroom for a malpractice case is " where did you get your

training for this protocol? " A protocol will give you facts the training

teaches you how to use them. Neither can stand alone. Kathy -NNY

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kATHY WROTE:

> Protocols are not the same as cake recipes. You

>do not follow them blindly. They are guidelines for people who have the

>experience and training to use them.

A " lay person " could not follow most medical protocals simply

because they do not have the a.) ability to order blood

tests and b.) prescribe medicines or treatments. They

do have a right to information and access to what exactly

is going on with their health care.

>The protocol

>will be shared with physicians when they receive their training.

I wonder... is this about money? If the organization

does this... I will leave Dr. Goldberg and I will not support

the movement in any manner whats so ever.

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Lay people also do not have the medical education or training to follow a

medical protocol. Interpreting the blood tests requires an understanding of

all of the bodily systems and how they interact. I thought that the reasons

that there are laws against practicing medicine without a license were fairly

obvious. We are doing everything that we can to make the protocol

available to more children. We are all frustrated that it has taken as long

as it has. Kathy -NNY

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*sigh*

Kathy wrote:

>Lay people also do not have the medical education or training to follow a

>medical protocol.

My point was that they DO have a right to SEE the protocal that

is being done on either a.) them or b.) their child. There is no

danger of " unskilled " layman practicing medicine in part because

they are not able to do some of the simple things like prescribe

medicines and order blood workups. Patients have a RIGHT to see

the protocal and it should be available to them.

As for liability... I find that this does not seem like a reason,

to me, to not make a protocol available to other doctors. Protocols

are made available to doctors- even those who are not trained in

whatever speciality they are researching. In fact, I would think

that the " the powers to be " (whoever they are) would be at more

liability should one of their personally trained doctors find themselves

in a law suit as compared to a doctor who read the protocal but was

not trained and failed to mention this tidbit to a patient.

As someone who is not a medical doctor, I will say this:

I certainly do have the ability to understand my son's bloodwork

and to understand his treatment protocal.

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In a message dated 12/10/2001 1:16:42 PM Central Standard Time,

JOSKAT95@... writes:

> One of the very first questions

> asked in a courtroom for a malpractice case is " where did you get your

> training for this protocol? " A protocol will give you facts the training

>

How much time and money is involved in the training?

Thanks,

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,

Thoses are issues that are currently being resolved. I will be posting more

information shortly.

a.. Marc Share

President & Executive Director

Research Institute and Parents Coalition

'Working To Give Our Children A Future'

Re: Re: Protocol

In a message dated 12/10/2001 1:16:42 PM Central Standard Time,

JOSKAT95@... writes:

> One of the very first questions

> asked in a courtroom for a malpractice case is " where did you get your

> training for this protocol? " A protocol will give you facts the training

>

How much time and money is involved in the training?

Thanks,

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I'm afraid that I do not agree that writing for medications or ordering

bloodwork, not to mention interpreting it, is simple. I'm afraid that I

always found it difficult and probably will always feel that way. I guess

it's the habit that I have gotten into of thinking about all of the possible

ramifications before I take each step. Possibly it has something to do with

the fact that I have made correct decisions that had untoward results on the

patients involved which resulted in dicey situations for them that could have

ended badly. Aren't you lucky that these things don't worry you! I also

worry about liability. I do carry malpractice but the entire issue does cause

me concern. I have seen frivolous suits and the price in emotional worry and

time that the practitioner and his family pays is significant. I really would

not care to lose my license. If I do I can never work again. , you are

very fortunate that you do not have these concerns. Kathy -NNY

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Kathy wrote:

>I'm afraid that I do not agree that >writing for medications or ordering

>bloodwork, not to mention interpreting >it, is simple. I'm afraid that I

>always found it difficult and probably >will always

You and I appear to be talking about

two very different things. Perhaps that

is my fault. Perhaps I do not explain

my opinions and concerns in a clear manner.

from this last post, it appears to me

that you are talking about what a

medical professional does. You are talking about

making clinical decisions. You are

talking about something I am not talking

about.

I am talking about two very

different things:

a.) making a protocol available to the

very patients that it is being used on

(I see this as a part of informed consent-

I would run the other direction if a doctor

said " well, there is a protocol but I am not

sharing it with. Now sit there while I do it

on you. "

b.) That understanding science and understand

why a protocol exists and what the basic

messages of blood workups mean is something

that I understand. Would I know what to do

about it? Probably not. Can I understand

what " WBC " or " segregated neutrophils " are

on a blood workup and what the different

implications of the result mean? Yes.

There are a number of educated people on this

list. We certainly can understand what things

mean. Whether or not we know what one does

with that information, is individual and someone

like me would need a real medical professional

involved. But again, a lay person can

*understand* and I would have concerns about

a medical professional who doesn't believe that

a parent can understand what is occurring.

> Aren't you lucky that these things don't worry you!

> , you are

>very fortunate that you do not have these concerns. Kathy -NNY

I am not entirely sure if this is sincere or sarcastic. That is

one of the limitations of a written forum. However, one should never

forget that parents are ultimately responsible for what happens with their

children.

Every medication that I give my child passes through me last. I make the final

decision on whether or not to follow through with a medical professional's

advice.

So.. I do deal with the ramifications of all the choices made along the way.

I don't want to get into the issue of who has it worse because of law suits

as I don't think anyone can say who is right or who is wrong.

I think this is the last I will say on this particular thread as I seem to

not be communicating very clearly.

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, I guess you were never present at the NUMEROUS public explanations of

and the protocol. There have been times when I thought if I had to sit

through the lecture one more time I would scream, but each time I learned a

new piece of it and made a new connection in my mind.

Goldberg knows he is dealing with smart motivated parents and has never

spared us the medical details nor talked down to us.

I can now speak very knowledgably about my son's condition. I speak with

confidence and conviction that has been treated with respect - even by

medical professionals/ doctors. I do not pretend to be a doctor but after

years observing my son and with Dr. Goldberg's tutelage I have a grasp on

his medical condition. I watch with interest when new studies are out and

how they relate to . I refer to these studies when speaking of .

You are correct that there is no written protocol at present. But I know of

no other doctor who has gone out of his way to inform his patients and the

general public of his protocol/findings.

Original Message -----

From: " H. " <eahcsc@...>

< >

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:01 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Protocol

> Kathy wrote:

> >I'm afraid that I do not agree that >writing for medications or ordering

> >bloodwork, not to mention interpreting >it, is simple. I'm afraid that I

> >always found it difficult and probably >will always

>

>

> You and I appear to be talking about

> two very different things. Perhaps that

> is my fault. Perhaps I do not explain

> my opinions and concerns in a clear manner.

>

> from this last post, it appears to me

> that you are talking about what a

> medical professional does. You are talking about

> making clinical decisions. You are

> talking about something I am not talking

> about.

>

> I am talking about two very

> different things:

> a.) making a protocol available to the

> very patients that it is being used on

> (I see this as a part of informed consent-

> I would run the other direction if a doctor

> said " well, there is a protocol but I am not

> sharing it with. Now sit there while I do it

> on you. "

> b.) That understanding science and understand

> why a protocol exists and what the basic

> messages of blood workups mean is something

> that I understand. Would I know what to do

> about it? Probably not. Can I understand

> what " WBC " or " segregated neutrophils " are

> on a blood workup and what the different

> implications of the result mean? Yes.

> There are a number of educated people on this

> list. We certainly can understand what things

> mean. Whether or not we know what one does

> with that information, is individual and someone

> like me would need a real medical professional

> involved. But again, a lay person can

> *understand* and I would have concerns about

> a medical professional who doesn't believe that

> a parent can understand what is occurring.

>

> > Aren't you lucky that these things don't worry you!

> > , you are

> >very fortunate that you do not have these concerns. Kathy -NNY

>

> I am not entirely sure if this is sincere or sarcastic. That is

> one of the limitations of a written forum. However, one should never

> forget that parents are ultimately responsible for what happens with their

children.

> Every medication that I give my child passes through me last. I make the

final

> decision on whether or not to follow through with a medical professional's

advice.

> So.. I do deal with the ramifications of all the choices made along the

way.

> I don't want to get into the issue of who has it worse because of law

suits

> as I don't think anyone can say who is right or who is wrong.

>

> I think this is the last I will say on this particular thread as I seem to

> not be communicating very clearly.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Ldugua,

If you have a better handle on the protocol

perhaps you would be able to answer some

questions for me:

What is the criteria for starting an antifungal drug

and for discontinuing the drug? How often are

the various titers measured during treatment?

These are the kinds of questions that the treating

pediatricians are asking about their patients who are

being seen by Dr. Goldberg.

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I would not presume to make medical statements on this list. As I said I

believe I have sense of my son's medical condition.

We saw clear improvement with my son on the antifungal. Blood is drawn

every three months to check liver function because of his use of this drug

and others. The anti fungal is also changed @every six months to ensure

continued efficacy.

We also try to restrict sugars and starches in the diet to prevent yeast

overgrowth as well as use probiotics, good bacteria. I do believe it is

fairly common knowledge that yeast overgrowth is rampant with a compromised

immune system.

I believe the only way to determine discontinuation is to try your child off

the drug and look for regression. Most folks say the blood tests are

inconclusive.

As far as the various titers go it has alot to do with how my son is doing.

My kid is a PANDA - that is to say had an autoimmune reaction caused by an

undetected strep infection which resulted in sudden onset Tourette's

Syndrome at age 8. I would strongly suggest you inform yourself about this

condition as our children, in an autoimmune state, are susceptible to it.

I know several kids to whom this happened. (age of onset 7, 8, 9)

Research can be done through NIMH where it is documented. My son was on a

two year course of e-mycin, sucessfully presecribed by Dr. G. By the way the

PANDA theory fits very well into the umbrella although when I started

with Dr. G he was unaware of it.

We do frequently run ASO titers (bacterial) and more infrequently viral

titers. I cannot make those determinations but realize what they are for. I

regret deeply that Dr. G has so few " hands on " with my child because a good

Dr. can pick up alot clinically.

As someone else said this is as much an art as a science in that there are

so many variables to watch. It is not a recipe.

My child is fourteen and has been sick for many years. I have a sense of

what I am looking at now. I may not know medicine but I know a hell of alot

more what's wrong with my kid that most doctors.- And both my ob/gyn and

pediatric dentist refer moms to me!

-- Original Message -----

From: " Lovemykiddo " <lovemykiddo@...>

< >

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:39 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Protocol

> Ldugua,

>

> If you have a better handle on the protocol

> perhaps you would be able to answer some

> questions for me:

>

> What is the criteria for starting an antifungal drug

> and for discontinuing the drug? How often are

> the various titers measured during treatment?

>

> These are the kinds of questions that the treating

> pediatricians are asking about their patients who are

> being seen by Dr. Goldberg.

>

>

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute.

>

>

>

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> I would not presume to make medical statements on this list.

I wasn't asking any specific medical questions. I was asking for

some clarification of the protocol. I understand the " anecdotal

criteria " (if there is such a phrase?) that is being discussed here

all the time, but I don't think this is going to satisfy my son's

physicians forever. It's not a question of whether LFT's are

remaining normal and of " no harm being done " ...but a question of

what kind of criteria is used to keep a child on long-term

antifungal, and what kind of criteria is used to determine

when he is (for lack of a better term) " well. "

If it's true that " most folks think the blood tests are inconclusive "

then how are they being used? Is every kid with symptoms of

autism being put on an antifungal drug...or is there some other

criteria besides something like a candida titer that is being used

to make this decision? Again, these are questions that my son's

physicians would like answers to...questions a protocol might

answer.

> My kid is a PANDA - that is to say had an autoimmune

reaction caused by an undetected strep infection which

in sudden onset Tourette's Syndrome at age 8. I would

strongly suggest you inform yourself about this condition <

I know a bit about PANDAS. My son has had both an

ASO titer and AntiDNAse-B, and he doesn't have PANDAS,

but you're right...it's probably worth mentioning to a group of

people whose children have a " package deal " that might

include both OCD's and strep infections. One thing about

PANDAS: there is published work available on identifying

and (to some extent) treating this condition both in the

children's neurology journals and the psychiatric journals.

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Well said. I quite agree.

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:01:44 -0500 " H. " <eahcsc@...>

writes:

> Kathy wrote:

> >I'm afraid that I do not agree that >writing for medications or

> ordering

> >bloodwork, not to mention interpreting >it, is simple. I'm afraid

> that I

> >always found it difficult and probably >will always

>

>

> You and I appear to be talking about

> two very different things. Perhaps that

> is my fault. Perhaps I do not explain

> my opinions and concerns in a clear manner.

>

> from this last post, it appears to me

> that you are talking about what a

> medical professional does. You are talking about

> making clinical decisions. You are

> talking about something I am not talking

> about.

>

> I am talking about two very

> different things:

> a.) making a protocol available to the

> very patients that it is being used on

> (I see this as a part of informed consent-

> I would run the other direction if a doctor

> said " well, there is a protocol but I am not

> sharing it with. Now sit there while I do it

> on you. "

> b.) That understanding science and understand

> why a protocol exists and what the basic

> messages of blood workups mean is something

> that I understand. Would I know what to do

> about it? Probably not. Can I understand

> what " WBC " or " segregated neutrophils " are

> on a blood workup and what the different

> implications of the result mean? Yes.

> There are a number of educated people on this

> list. We certainly can understand what things

> mean. Whether or not we know what one does

> with that information, is individual and someone

> like me would need a real medical professional

> involved. But again, a lay person can

> *understand* and I would have concerns about

> a medical professional who doesn't believe that

> a parent can understand what is occurring.

>

> > Aren't you lucky that these things don't worry you!

> > , you are

> >very fortunate that you do not have these concerns. Kathy -NNY

>

> I am not entirely sure if this is sincere or sarcastic. That is

> one of the limitations of a written forum. However, one should

> never

> forget that parents are ultimately responsible for what happens with

> their children.

> Every medication that I give my child passes through me last. I

> make the final

> decision on whether or not to follow through with a medical

> professional's advice.

> So.. I do deal with the ramifications of all the choices made along

> the way.

> I don't want to get into the issue of who has it worse because of

> law suits

> as I don't think anyone can say who is right or who is wrong.

>

> I think this is the last I will say on this particular thread as I

> seem to

> not be communicating very clearly.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I haven't had the privilege of being able to attend one of his lectures.

Although I have seen a tape of one, it's hard for me to bring that in to

an IEP meeting and ask my son's teachers to take a look at it to help

them understand why we are putting him on all the different medications

and to please bear with us if one of them is causing negative reactions.

They do listen when I explain it to them, but I think that it always has

more weight behind it when it comes from an MD. To hand them something

and say this is the protocol my son is following and why it is

benefitting him would be a great help to me and my son. I doubt that

educators are the target audience for the written protocol, but they are

with our kids so many waking hours that they need to be informed too so

they can be understanding and part of the observation process to see if a

med is working or not.

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:02:26 -0500 " ldugua " <Ldugua@...> writes:

> , I guess you were never present at the NUMEROUS public

> explanations of

> and the protocol. There have been times when I thought if I

> had to sit

> through the lecture one more time I would scream, but each time I

> learned a

> new piece of it and made a new connection in my mind.

>

> Goldberg knows he is dealing with smart motivated parents and has

> never

> spared us the medical details nor talked down to us.

>

> I can now speak very knowledgably about my son's condition. I speak

> with

> confidence and conviction that has been treated with respect - even

> by

> medical professionals/ doctors. I do not pretend to be a doctor but

> after

> years observing my son and with Dr. Goldberg's tutelage I have a

> grasp on

> his medical condition. I watch with interest when new studies are

> out and

> how they relate to . I refer to these studies when speaking of

> .

>

> You are correct that there is no written protocol at present. But I

> know of

> no other doctor who has gone out of his way to inform his patients

> and the

> general public of his protocol/findings.

>

> Original Message -----

> From: " H. " <eahcsc@...>

> < >

> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:01 AM

> Subject: Re: Re: Protocol

>

>

> > Kathy wrote:

> > >I'm afraid that I do not agree that >writing for medications or

> ordering

> > >bloodwork, not to mention interpreting >it, is simple. I'm afraid

> that I

> > >always found it difficult and probably >will always

> >

> >

> > You and I appear to be talking about

> > two very different things. Perhaps that

> > is my fault. Perhaps I do not explain

> > my opinions and concerns in a clear manner.

> >

> > from this last post, it appears to me

> > that you are talking about what a

> > medical professional does. You are talking about

> > making clinical decisions. You are

> > talking about something I am not talking

> > about.

> >

> > I am talking about two very

> > different things:

> > a.) making a protocol available to the

> > very patients that it is being used on

> > (I see this as a part of informed consent-

> > I would run the other direction if a doctor

> > said " well, there is a protocol but I am not

> > sharing it with. Now sit there while I do it

> > on you. "

> > b.) That understanding science and understand

> > why a protocol exists and what the basic

> > messages of blood workups mean is something

> > that I understand. Would I know what to do

> > about it? Probably not. Can I understand

> > what " WBC " or " segregated neutrophils " are

> > on a blood workup and what the different

> > implications of the result mean? Yes.

> > There are a number of educated people on this

> > list. We certainly can understand what things

> > mean. Whether or not we know what one does

> > with that information, is individual and someone

> > like me would need a real medical professional

> > involved. But again, a lay person can

> > *understand* and I would have concerns about

> > a medical professional who doesn't believe that

> > a parent can understand what is occurring.

> >

> > > Aren't you lucky that these things don't worry you!

> > > , you are

> > >very fortunate that you do not have these concerns. Kathy

> -NNY

> >

> > I am not entirely sure if this is sincere or sarcastic. That is

> > one of the limitations of a written forum. However, one should

> never

> > forget that parents are ultimately responsible for what happens

> with their

> children.

> > Every medication that I give my child passes through me last. I

> make the

> final

> > decision on whether or not to follow through with a medical

> professional's

> advice.

> > So.. I do deal with the ramifications of all the choices made

> along the

> way.

> > I don't want to get into the issue of who has it worse because of

> law

> suits

> > as I don't think anyone can say who is right or who is wrong.

> >

> > I think this is the last I will say on this particular thread as I

> seem to

> > not be communicating very clearly.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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As is does seem that you want to beat this horse into the ground:

If your child does clearly better on an antifungal you keep him on it. If

you see regression when you take him off it, as his body is in an immune

compromised state you would probably do well to keep him on it, remembering

the blood tests. Dr. Zimmerman, s Hopkins Autism specialist was

a surprised witness about this through one of Goldberg's patients and quite

amazed at the whole thing.

As far as the PANDAs go and the Suedo work, documentation has been

extensive but not especially helpful in the area of treatment. Long term

use of penicillin as well as plasma pheresus (sic)(heating the blood to kill

infection) for instance are not particularly useful. Dr. G sucessfully

treated my son with a long term course of e-mycin. I had personal contact

with the study as well as several of the cases they were working with.

Believe me when I say that the researchers were not aware of several of the

other " pre existing " conditions of their trial kids. For instance they had

never heard the term " sensory intergration " and were unaware of the allergies

of at least one of their cases.

The more I see of the medical community the more I know they are missing

lots of answers. There training is to pose these hard questions. But good

INNOVATIVE medicine often begins anecdotally. This is a new epidemic

documented to have begun in the late 1980's. These doctors have not learned

about it.

I believe they are basically well meaning and I have seen a great

" softening " in their thinking over the last ten years. Especially as the

research supports the hypothesis, however piecemeal. For instance, did

you know that a mother with an autoimmune condition has a nine times more

likely chance of having an ASD child than a healthy mom? (s Hopkins

study 1999) All this goes into the general assault the human immune system

is under, skyrocketing allergies, asthma, AIDS and the tremendous increase

in autoimmune diseases among women.

So, if your doctors are unwilling to work with your child on the basis of

only keeping him on drugs which he clearly does better on perhaps you should

move on. And by all means if he doesn't do better take him off the drugs.

The protocol is not a recipe. But as you look to the general " medical

community " for answers remember how many years they were stuck on the

Refrigerator Mom theory. Good Luck.

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>

> > I would not presume to make medical statements on this list.

>

> I wasn't asking any specific medical questions. I was asking for

> some clarification of the protocol. I understand the " anecdotal

> criteria " (if there is such a phrase?) that is being discussed here

> all the time, but I don't think this is going to satisfy my son's

> physicians forever. It's not a question of whether LFT's are

> remaining normal and of " no harm being done " ...but a question of

> what kind of criteria is used to keep a child on long-term

> antifungal, and what kind of criteria is used to determine

> when he is (for lack of a better term) " well. "

>

> If it's true that " most folks think the blood tests are inconclusive "

> then how are they being used? Is every kid with symptoms of

> autism being put on an antifungal drug...or is there some other

> criteria besides something like a candida titer that is being used

> to make this decision? Again, these are questions that my son's

> physicians would like answers to...questions a protocol might

> answer.

>

> > My kid is a PANDA - that is to say had an autoimmune

> reaction caused by an undetected strep infection which

> in sudden onset Tourette's Syndrome at age 8. I would

> strongly suggest you inform yourself about this condition <

>

> I know a bit about PANDAS. My son has had both an

> ASO titer and AntiDNAse-B, and he doesn't have PANDAS,

> but you're right...it's probably worth mentioning to a group of

> people whose children have a " package deal " that might

> include both OCD's and strep infections. One thing about

> PANDAS: there is published work available on identifying

> and (to some extent) treating this condition both in the

> children's neurology journals and the psychiatric journals.

>

>

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> ,

> As is does seem that you want to beat this horse into the ground:

I think it was me and not and that you are addressing here.

> So, if your doctors are unwilling to work with your child on the basis of

> only keeping him on drugs which he clearly does better on perhaps you

should

> move on.

Ouch! I am as committed to getting my child as well as he can be

as you are. I am fortunate to have physicians at home who have

been both personally and professionally supportive to me and to

our son. Their questions are legitimate, and to imply that

I should simply find a physician who allows me to completely drive

the care without *some* respect to professional medical judgement

and without respect to our relationship...well, it's not something

I'm willing to do. I really don't want to find myself in a position of

having THEM decide to move on because my behavior towards

them is disrespectful or irresponsible, or because they have reached

a level of professional discomfort that I can't adequately address.

The reality is that most of the children who see Dr. Goldberg have

other physicians involved, and there needs to be some level of

respect for these physicians who are out on a limb with him , and

that is really all I want.

One thing is for sure...I'm prepared to move on myself, because

I'm not interested in any more personal comments about what I

" should do " or about how I've beat a subject into the ground.

Nonetheless, the conversation has been enlightening, and I

thank you for the information you've shared.

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well since you have such a great bunch of supportive physicians please let

us know when they find something out...

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>

>

> > ,

> > As is does seem that you want to beat this horse into the ground:

>

> I think it was me and not and that you are addressing here.

>

> > So, if your doctors are unwilling to work with your child on the basis

of

> > only keeping him on drugs which he clearly does better on perhaps you

> should

> > move on.

>

> Ouch! I am as committed to getting my child as well as he can be

> as you are. I am fortunate to have physicians at home who have

> been both personally and professionally supportive to me and to

> our son. Their questions are legitimate, and to imply that

> I should simply find a physician who allows me to completely drive

> the care without *some* respect to professional medical judgement

> and without respect to our relationship...well, it's not something

> I'm willing to do. I really don't want to find myself in a position of

> having THEM decide to move on because my behavior towards

> them is disrespectful or irresponsible, or because they have reached

> a level of professional discomfort that I can't adequately address.

> The reality is that most of the children who see Dr. Goldberg have

> other physicians involved, and there needs to be some level of

> respect for these physicians who are out on a limb with him , and

> that is really all I want.

>

> One thing is for sure...I'm prepared to move on myself, because

> I'm not interested in any more personal comments about what I

> " should do " or about how I've beat a subject into the ground.

> Nonetheless, the conversation has been enlightening, and I

> thank you for the information you've shared.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute.

>

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Are you able to see Dr. Goldberg on a regular basis? Just curious. If

not, what sort of information are you giving your regular pediatrician?

We just switched and I was wondering how you explain the different

medication requirements to him/her. So far our new Dr. has been fairly

supportive although he doesn't understand the dosing. I know Dr. Goldberg

would share this information with him but he's only one man helping so

many that I can't imagine he can talk with many other doctors during the

workday... With a thriving practice I'm not sure our new pediatrician

would have the time or inclination to receive the training so I'm

assuming at most he will play the role of supportive physician rather

than spending time finding new treatments since he doesn't have a

personal reason to. Also, why is it fairly easy to find DAN doctors but

hard to find doctors - Dr. Goldberg seems to be lecturing at alot of

locations to get the word out and the parents that email in seem to be

trying to get the word out too. Is there something more we can be doing

to gain the interest of doctors like the DAN movement has done? When we

first got the diagnosis of autism I ordered the DAN manual. I didn't

understand most of it, but I was able to share it with our pediatrician

and discuss it with him. I think that's what I'd like to be able to do

with the protocol too. If more doctors have a manual in front of

them maybe they would be more willing to order some of the bloodwork and

the meds. I've contacted Marc to see what I can do to help make this

happen but maybe you have some other ideas we can try to make

doctors as numerous as DAN doctors. Thanks!

On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:22:14 -0500 " ldugua " <Ldugua@...> writes:

> well since you have such a great bunch of supportive physicians

> please let

> us know when they find something out...

> Re: Re: Protocol

>

>

> >

> >

> > > ,

> > > As is does seem that you want to beat this horse into the

> ground:

> >

> > I think it was me and not and that you are addressing here.

> >

> > > So, if your doctors are unwilling to work with your child on the

> basis

> of

> > > only keeping him on drugs which he clearly does better on

> perhaps you

> > should

> > > move on.

> >

> > Ouch! I am as committed to getting my child as well as he can be

> > as you are. I am fortunate to have physicians at home who have

> > been both personally and professionally supportive to me and to

> > our son. Their questions are legitimate, and to imply that

> > I should simply find a physician who allows me to completely

> drive

> > the care without *some* respect to professional medical judgement

> > and without respect to our relationship...well, it's not

> something

> > I'm willing to do. I really don't want to find myself in a

> position of

> > having THEM decide to move on because my behavior towards

> > them is disrespectful or irresponsible, or because they have

> reached

> > a level of professional discomfort that I can't adequately

> address.

> > The reality is that most of the children who see Dr. Goldberg

> have

> > other physicians involved, and there needs to be some level of

> > respect for these physicians who are out on a limb with him , and

> > that is really all I want.

> >

> > One thing is for sure...I'm prepared to move on myself, because

> > I'm not interested in any more personal comments about what I

> > " should do " or about how I've beat a subject into the ground.

> > Nonetheless, the conversation has been enlightening, and I

> > thank you for the information you've shared.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> > the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> > opinion of the Research Institute.

> >

> >

> >

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