Re: Quick Question -- but post is a little long

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<<I guess the reason I feel it is bogus is that other people who do not

take their babies for well baby checkups don't have to do anything like

this. It makes me feel singled out by the system because we choose to

monitor her other health stats.>>

When I had my youngest, I had decided not to vaccinate while I was pregnant, but

I still wanted to take her for her regular check ups to keep track of her weight

and height, etc. But after a few " run-ins " with the drs I just gave up

completely. We don't go to the dr unless we are really sick now. After the

first time I told them we weren't vaccinating and she tried to scare us. I took

in a bunch of stuff I printed off the net for her to read, she retorted with

their bs, of course. A month later, all three of my kids had a mild rash,

slight fever, lasted 2 days. My youngest was only 2 months old and exclusively

breastfed and the rash she got lasted a few days longer than the others. I took

them to the dr just to see if they could tell me what it was. We were seen in

the back parking lot, in case we were infectious. The dr swore up and down that

it was the measles. She said something about " See, if you'd gotten her

vaccines, she wouldn't have gotten it. " She told me what danger signs to watch

for and sent us home. I was happy, natural immunization is better than their

crap. Didn't occur to me until later that even if we'd done the first round of

shots the MMR isn't in it. LOL She was just flustered and wanted to throw

something in my face. After that, I quit going to the dr unless we were very

ill, with the exception of my oldest daughters regular quarterly visits with her

endocrinologist.

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[Guest guest]

Seeing you in the parking lot...

I worked peds for a couple of years and weat least brought them into a room

through a back door LOL

[Guest guest]

I have had to sign it in the past. It's really no big deal. You are

basically giving them the ability to fight you if you came back and

claimed they never talked about vaccination with you. If my doc

asked me to sign one simply saying I declined vaccination, I'd do

it. However, if they asked me to sign that silly one out at AAP, I'd

refuse.

> Today I took Jordan for her 2 month checkup with her new

pediatrician

> and, of course, the first words practically out of their mouths is

today

> she is due for shots. I thought I had already made myself

perfectly

> clear when I called and made the appointment about our decision not

to

> immunize. I even asked if this was a problem for them and they

said it

> wasn't. So today, when I reminded them of our decision, I had to

sign a

> statement saying I declined the shots. Personally, I think this is

> bogus because it makes me feel like we're being tracked. So my

question

> is: do we have to sign these statements in the future or can we

just

> decline the signing as well?

>

> I guess the reason I feel it is bogus is that other people who do

not

> take their babies for well baby checkups don't have to do anything

like

> this. It makes me feel singled out by the system because we choose

to

> monitor her other health stats.

>

> The pediatrician asked me why we made the decision we did and I

just

> told her that we wanted our daughter to be healthy. So, then, she

> proceeds to try and scare me with the pertussis disease and how

> potentially fatal it is to infants. I mean, come on, what are the

> chances Jordan is going to contract that when she stays home with

DH and

> I without going to daycare?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Debbie

[Guest guest]

What does the AAP one have you sign?

Diane and Jim Emerick

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[Guest guest]

What an idiot that lady is.Seeing you in the parking lot? Hmm but vaxed

kids who have infectious diseases I am sure could go through the front

door,play with the toys,and then be seen like a *normal human being*.At the

same time exposing pregnant mums at the time to CMV,fifths,and whatever

else that could damage a fetus.But no, like some diseased dog in the

alley.Grrrrr I can see why you would stop going to her!!!!

Sara

<<<<<

A month later, all three of my kids had a mild rash, slight fever, lasted

2 days. My youngest was only 2 months old and exclusively breastfed and

the rash she got lasted a few days longer than the others. I took them to

the dr just to see if they could tell me what it was. We were seen in the

back parking lot, in case we were infectious. The dr swore up and down

that it was the measles. She said something about " See, if you'd gotten

her vaccines, she wouldn't have gotten it. " She told me what danger signs

to watch for and sent us home. I was happy, natural immunization is better

than their crap. Didn't occur to me until later that even if we'd done the

first round of shots the MMR isn't in it. LOL She was just flustered and

wanted to throw something in my face. After that, I quit going to the dr

unless we were very ill, with the exception of my oldest daughters regular

quarterly visits with her endocrinologist.>>>>

[Guest guest]

I never had to sign a decline statement with either of the

peds(older/male/asian) who are pro-vax.I just went in to have the nurse/ped

fill out the standard health dept. form used by daycares to say they were

healthy.While there I asked the nurse when my boy was expected back(15m or

18m),and then she mentions, " 15m and he'll be due for DTaP,and... "

" We don't do shots,so that is not an issue. "

" Oh yes,thats right! "

End of story.

I never bothered to follow the scheduled well checks since I can manage to

check measurements and weights better,but hey since the gov't is paying for

it right now I might as well take them in.Gives me more chances to probe

the ped on alternative health.

Even at WIC yesterday I was expecting atleast one person to question why we

don't vax.....nothing.Same with the daycare owner across the street(though

we can't afford that right now)

I know I should be happy I am not getting hassled by anyone,but I never get

an opportunity to discuss what I have learned!!!!

If you don't want to sign a form-don't.What does it say anyway?????

I think it is just a tactic to make a person feel bad,and that hopefully

they will change their mind.Like when I took my dd to the ER after her

birth and I declined the HepB,VitK,and nursery stay.They read each form to

me,and stressed , " how my dd COULD DIE BECASUE I REFUSED TO COMPLY "

Ok whatever I said and went home

Mommy Sara

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[Guest guest]

This one:

http://www.cispimmunize.org/applicationT.cfm?

filenm=/cisp/pro/doc/refusaltovaccinate.doc

> What does the AAP one have you sign?

>

> Diane and Jim Emerick

> emerick@w...

> Blake, 5 years old (12-25-97)

> Amber, 2 years old (2-17-01)

> Please visit our homepage at:

> http://theemericks.homestead.com/family.html

>

> " Uneducated people believe what they are told...

> Educated people question what they are told "

>

>

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http://www.cispimmunize.org/applicationT.cfm?

filenm=/cisp/pro/doc/refusaltovaccinate.doc

There is no way on God's green earth taht I would sign that. The way it's

worded, is just ASKING for CPS to show up on the doorstep. ICK!

[Guest guest]

No I wouldn't sign it either, especially with this wording:

" I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may

endanger the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in

contact with " .

These people are nuts

Elena

Re: Re: Quick Question -- but post is a little long

http://www.cispimmunize.org/applicationT.cfm?

filenm=/cisp/pro/doc/refusaltovaccinate.doc

There is no way on God's green earth taht I would sign that. The way it's

worded, is just ASKING for CPS to show up on the doorstep. ICK!

[Guest guest]

Yep but on the second page is the following :

" All parents and patients should be informed about the risks and benefits of

preventive and therapeutic procedures, including vaccination. In the case of

vaccination, federal law mandates this discussion. Despite the health care

provider's best efforts to explain its importance, some families may refuse

vaccination for their children. The use of this or a similar form, demonstrating

the importance you place on appropriate immunizations and focusing the parent's

attention on the unnecessary risk for which they are accepting responsibility,

may in some instances induce a wavering parent to accept your recommendations. "

So in other words they admit that they are trying to coerce the parents and that

by trying to make parents sign the form they are trying to illustrate that their

will be legal consequences if they don't. This is all so ridiculous and totally

against any kind of ethical behavior.

Please anyone who has this kind of form presented to them don't sign it. You do

not need to.

Elena

Re: Re: Quick Question -- but post is a little long

know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger

the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact

with " .

That's the part that freaked me out!

[Guest guest]

know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger

the health or life of my child and others that my child might come in contact

with " .

That's the part that freaked me out!