Where is the discussion/questions on

March 28, 2003

My first child would not breastfeed so I pumped for 6 months straight. I was

as adamant that she would only get breastmilk as she was in not

breastfeeding! At around 6 months she came around and started breastfeeding.

BRAT is what the LLL nurse called her! My second child breastfeed from day

one without any grief at all.

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

<A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A>

March 28, 2003

Yes. I've got that in bold on my birthing plan. Needless to say, I've

already gotten some slack over it from one of the nurses in Lamaze.

On a side note, I couldn't help but notice another post that said no to the

Vitamin K shot and the eye ointment. What's up with those? Something I

should know about?

Debbie

March 28, 2003

Here is part of an article I wrote about vitamin K. Eye ointment is only

used to prevent sexually transmitted diseases transmitted to a newborn

during a vaginal delivery. If the mother knows she is free of these, then

the ointment is unnecessary.

Vitamin K

An injection of vitamin K (1.0 mg) is routinely administered to all

newborns to prevent unexpected bleeding caused by low levels of vitamin

K-dependent blood clotting factors. Vitamin K is present in green

vegetables, vegetable oils, and dairy products, but intake or

supplementation during pregnancy does not ensure prevention of vitamin K

deficiency in newborns.

The syndrome of vitamin K deficiency bleeding occurs in approximately 1 in

10,000 babies. Hemorrhagic disease that occurs from week 2-12 of life is the

most dangerous form. Half of these affected babies suffer sudden bleeding

into the brain, and 20 percent of affected babies die. Studies have shown

that a single injection or oral dose of vitamin K at birth results in

adequate coagulation status and vitamin K levels for up to three months

following birth.

Injected vitamin K ran into a problem when researchers in 1990 noted an

increased incidence of childhood cancer in children given vitamin K

injections at birth. Specifically, they found that injected vitamin K

doubled the incidence of leukemia in children less than ten years of age. A

subsequent study in 1992 revealed the same association between injected

vitamin K and cancer, but no such association with oral vitamin K. These

researchers recommended exclusive use of oral vitamin K.

Since vitamin K given within 12 hours of birth can reduce the risk of

vitamin K deficiency bleeding, it seems prudent to give an oral dose of 1-2

mg. Injections of vitamin K are painful and can cause bruising at the

injection site. There may also be an increased risk of cancer associated

with vitamin K injections.

Mothers should eat foods with high vitamin K content during pregnancy

(green vegetables and dairy products) because vitamin K is transferred to

the fetus across the placenta. Pregnant women can also take alfalfa tablets

during pregnancy, a good source of vitamin K.

It is also advisable to give 1-2 mg. of vitamin K to breastfed infants at

ages one to two weeks and at four weeks. Formulas are already supplemented

with vitamin K. Alternatively, nursing mothers can take a daily dose of

vitamin K during the first three months following birth. If nursing mothers

take a daily 5 mg. vitamin K supplement their babies' vitamin K status

improves through the first 12 weeks of life.

Although oral vitamin K is not licensed for use as a drug by the FDA, drops

for oral administration are available. Typically, one drop contains 2 mg. of

vitamin K. Contact a midwife in your area, or a birthing supply company

(such as birthwithlove.com), or Scientific Botanicals (206 527-5521) where

your health care provider can order liquid vitamin K directly.

Randall Neustaedter OMD, LAc

Classical Medicine Center

1779 Woodside Rd #201C

Redwood City, CA 94061

650 299-9170

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Re: Where is the discussion/questions on

> On a side note, I couldn't help but notice another post that said no to

the

> Vitamin K shot and the eye ointment. What's up with those? Something I

> should know about?

>

> Well, I don't know where you live, but Vit. k isn't routine in every state

(it's used to prevent bleeding, baby doesn't produce his/her own clotting

factors right away). My sister works at a hospital in S. Carolina and they

don't routinely use vit. k. I lost all my links, but I think this one has

neonatal jaundice links and since both of my older sons were jaundice and

had vit. k and we don't have any bleeding disorders in either family, it's

just not neccessary in my opinion.

> Eye ointment is to treat sexually transmitted diseases. I didn't test

positive for anything at the beginning of this pregnancy, I haven't been

with anyone else in 6 years, so the liklihood of me having some disease is

nil ..... so why do it?

>

> As far as your breastfeeding goes ...... vit k is only provided in

breastmilk after the first week (if I remember right), and in colostrum if

you have eaten vit. k rich foods the last part of your pregnancy.

Breastfeeding is NOT something that just comes naturally. Id on't care what

anyone says. I successfullly nursed both boys, and it's hard work for about

the first 3 or 4 weeks. It's worth it, but it is work. The best thing to

do is make sure you have the name of a lactation consultant. I just

recently went to my first La Leche meeting. Even though I nursed both boys,

I wanted the support that comes with a support group. The ladies were

awesome.

>

> My biggest suggestion for this, is to nurse as often as the baby wants.

It's not a forever thing, they won't nurse every hour forever, you aren't

going to spoil the baby by nursing on demand. They eventually level out.

Only about 1% of people CAN'T breastfeed. The rest I think either really

don't want to do it, or just don't have the support to stick with it.

>

> feel free to email me off list if you get discouraged. I am a huge huge

breastfeeding advocate. Remember something else too. It can take up to a

week for your milk to actually come in. The more you nurse the more you

produce.

>

> Best Wishes

> & Liam (induction 4/2)

>

March 28, 2003

If your newborn is breastfeeding and breastfeeding well there is no need

for Vit K for sure. I forget the exact med reason for giving it but it

is provided in breastmilk in good quantity. A quick web search will

probably give reason why but don't buy into having to do it.

Eye ointment which used to be silver nitrate (make sure they are NOT

using that) is to guard against eye infections. Also not necessary

unless IMO there's real worry of infection (dirty conditions, etc.)

I often wonder how the human race survived before all the birth

intervention stuff. ;-]

Sally

shoebootie@... wrote:

> Yes. I've got that in bold on my birthing plan. Needless to say, I've

> already gotten some slack over it from one of the nurses in Lamaze.

>

> On a side note, I couldn't help but notice another post that said no

> to the

> Vitamin K shot and the eye ointment. What's up with those? Something I

> should know about?

>

> Debbie

>

March 28, 2003

Okay, since this is my first child how will I know if I will be able to

breastfeed okay? I have a girlfriend that tried to breastfeed her first

last year and couldn't do it because her body wouldn't do it and ended up

switching to forumla.

> If your newborn is breastfeeding and breastfeeding well there is no

> need for Vit K for sure. I forget the exact med reason for giving it

> but it is provided in breastmilk in good quantity. A quick web search

> will probably give reason why but don't buy into having to do it.

>

March 28, 2003

On a side note, I couldn't help but notice another post that said no to the

Vitamin K shot and the eye ointment. What's up with those? Something I

should know about?

Well, I don't know where you live, but Vit. k isn't routine in every state (it's

used to prevent bleeding, baby doesn't produce his/her own clotting factors

right away). My sister works at a hospital in S. Carolina and they don't

routinely use vit. k. I lost all my links, but I think this one has neonatal

jaundice links and since both of my older sons were jaundice and had vit. k and

we don't have any bleeding disorders in either family, it's just not neccessary

in my opinion.

Eye ointment is to treat sexually transmitted diseases. I didn't test positive

for anything at the beginning of this pregnancy, I haven't been with anyone else

in 6 years, so the liklihood of me having some disease is nil ..... so why do

it?

As far as your breastfeeding goes ...... vit k is only provided in breastmilk

after the first week (if I remember right), and in colostrum if you have eaten

vit. k rich foods the last part of your pregnancy. Breastfeeding is NOT

something that just comes naturally. Id on't care what anyone says. I

successfullly nursed both boys, and it's hard work for about the first 3 or 4

weeks. It's worth it, but it is work. The best thing to do is make sure you

have the name of a lactation consultant. I just recently went to my first La

Leche meeting. Even though I nursed both boys, I wanted the support that comes

with a support group. The ladies were awesome.

My biggest suggestion for this, is to nurse as often as the baby wants. It's

not a forever thing, they won't nurse every hour forever, you aren't going to

spoil the baby by nursing on demand. They eventually level out. Only about 1%

of people CAN'T breastfeed. The rest I think either really don't want to do it,

or just don't have the support to stick with it.

feel free to email me off list if you get discouraged. I am a huge huge

breastfeeding advocate. Remember something else too. It can take up to a week

for your milk to actually come in. The more you nurse the more you produce.

Best Wishes

& Liam (induction 4/2)

March 28, 2003

" Okay, since this is my first child how will I know if I will be able to

breastfeed okay? I have a girlfriend that tried to breastfeed her first

last year and couldn't do it because her body wouldn't do it and ended up

switching to forumla. "

Every single woman on the planet can breastfeed her baby (barring Severe

medical problems~ malformation of the breast, cutting of the milk ducts

during breast surgery, etc. Big stuff.) It's simple~ Demand creates Supply.

The more the baby nurses, the more milk you have.

What you should do is to get a Good book on breastfeeding, read up on how

the breast works, and look for a La Leche League meeting near you :-)

Chances are VERY slim that you'll have anything more than some minor

problems(sore nipples or the like) which can also be handled simply.

I knew absolutely nothing about nursing when I had my first two. I was told

since I'm very small busted that I wouldn't make enough milk(false) and when

I was pregnant with my last baby(now 9mos old) that I was too old to

nurse(I'm 43 now ;-) and that's Also false ;-) My youngest is fine and I've

never had any supply problems.

Since this is off-topic from this list, feel free to email me directly! I'm

a doula and a breastfeeding advocate. I can answer a lot of your questions,

and the ones I can't I can point you in the right direction :-)

Jan in El Paso, TX

jgonz@...

(Doula & SAHM to Amy(20), (19), ^i^, andra(13.5), Abram(11.5),

(9), (4.5), Amos(nearly 3), and Angelina(9mos))

March 28, 2003

.. Also not necessary

unless IMO there's real worry of infection (dirty conditions, etc.)

Actually, it's used to " prevent " syphillis........ or other sexually transmitted

disease issues in the eye of the newborn. Syphillis (sp?) is the main one that

they are treating for though.

March 28, 2003

Ok that's right, it's been a while since I did this stuff (2 years) and

I have mommy amnesia. So I guess the question is how likely is it that

you have syphillis?

And I heartly concur on the breastfeeding. Find a La Leche League group,

buy the Womanly Art of Breastfeeding and commit to breastfeeding for at

least 6 weeks. You can do it with support and good info and a " can do "

attitude. And breastmilk is incredible for supplying immunity stuff to

your baby among its thousands of other benefits. I too would be more

than happy to receive email directly (off list since this isn't a

breastfeeding discussion group) on breastfeeding stuff anytime.

Sally

in IL wrote:

> . Also not necessary

> unless IMO there's real worry of infection (dirty conditions, etc.)

>

> Actually, it's used to " prevent " syphillis........ or other sexually

> transmitted disease issues in the eye of the newborn. Syphillis

> (sp?) is the main one that they are treating for though.

>

March 28, 2003

Contact La Leche League in your area - they are a big support!!!! The

hospital where you deliver may have a certified lactation consultant who can

teach you the basics. Your local health dept. may have a breasfeeding

educator who can teach you the basics. If you are committed to

breastfeeding,.Do NOT let your baby have any bottles at the hospital as that

can ruin your chances for successful breastfeeding.

Re: Where is the discussion/questions on

> Okay, since this is my first child how will I know if I will be able to

> breastfeed okay? I have a girlfriend that tried to breastfeed her first

> last year and couldn't do it because her body wouldn't do it and ended up

> switching to forumla.

>

> > If your newborn is breastfeeding and breastfeeding well there is no

> > need for Vit K for sure. I forget the exact med reason for giving it

> > but it is provided in breastmilk in good quantity. A quick web search

> > will probably give reason why but don't buy into having to do it.

> >

>

March 30, 2003

Have you seen notmilk.com? That should do it!

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

<A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A>

March 30, 2003

I am very concerned about the pro-soy message of the www.notmilk.com

website. I do not consider soy milk an appropriate food for children, and

soy formula should not be given to babies. For the other side of the soy

story go to www.mercola.com and do a search on soy. You might be surprised.

I advise my patients to use organic rice milk if they do not want to give

their older children cow milk, or if cow milk is not advisable. The only

appropriate foods for infants are breast milk or cow milk commercial

formulas (there is an organic formula) if the mother cannot breastfeed (or

for adopted babies).

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Classical Medicine Center

1779 Woodside Rd Suite 201C

Redwood City, CA 94061

650 299-9170

Author of The Vaccine Guide, North Atlantic Books, 2002

Re: Where is the discussion/questions on

> Have you seen notmilk.com? That should do it!

>

> " Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any

should

> be

> given to their children "

> <A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A>

>

March 30, 2003

I agree! I've read about soy, and it seems scary! My AS son couldn't

hold much down, tried to breastfeed, but he screamed constantly.

Finally lost milk production. At least five different formula's were

tried. He always had a hard time digesting them, but most he kept

down, but was in servere pain. With soy formula he projectile vomited

at least five to six feet across the room.

PS: Here is some more info on soy.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_alert.html

> I am very concerned about the pro-soy message of the www.notmilk.com

> website. I do not consider soy milk an appropriate food for

children, and

> soy formula should not be given to babies. For the other side of

the soy

> story go to www.mercola.com and do a search on soy. You might be

surprised.

> I advise my patients to use organic rice milk if they do not want

to give

> their older children cow milk, or if cow milk is not advisable. The

only

> appropriate foods for infants are breast milk or cow milk commercial

> formulas (there is an organic formula) if the mother cannot

breastfeed (or

> for adopted babies).

>

> Subscribe to my free email health newsletter.

> Send a reply with " Subscribe " in the subject box.

> Randall Neustaedter, OMD

> www.cure-guide.com

> Classical Medicine Center

> 1779 Woodside Rd Suite 201C

> Redwood City, CA 94061

> 650 299-9170

March 31, 2003

2 other good sites in addition to Mercola's are www.westonaprice.org and

www.realmilk.com. From the research I've done, it looks like it's the

pastuerization of cows milk that makes it unhealthy, plus the way that cows

are factory-farmed. Formula made from raw milk from grass-fed cows raised

humanely without drugs would be my second choice for feeding a baby, if

breastfeeding is absolutely not possible. The Weston Price website has

homemade formula recipes.

Jane Sheppard

Future Generations

http://www.healthychild.com

> Message: 22

> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:34:57 -0800

> From: " Randall Neustaedter " <randalln@...>

> Subject: Re: Where is the discussion/questions on

>

> I am very concerned about the pro-soy message of the www.notmilk.com

> website. I do not consider soy milk an appropriate food for children, and

> soy formula should not be given to babies. For the other side of the soy

> story go to www.mercola.com and do a search on soy. You might be

> surprised.

> I advise my patients to use organic rice milk if they do not want to give

> their older children cow milk, or if cow milk is not advisable. The only

> appropriate foods for infants are breast milk or cow milk commercial

> formulas (there is an organic formula) if the mother cannot breastfeed (or

> for adopted babies).

>

> Subscribe to my free email health newsletter.

> Send a reply with " Subscribe " in the subject box.

> Randall Neustaedter, OMD

> www.cure-guide.com

> Classical Medicine Center

> 1779 Woodside Rd Suite 201C

> Redwood City, CA 94061

> 650 299-9170

>

> Author of The Vaccine Guide, North Atlantic Books, 2002

>

January 20, 2006