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I will try one more time. The NCF is a charitable foundation not a

research team of scientists. Knox and Carrigan are scientists who

havve focused on viral research. The existed before the NCF ever

started funding their studies.

My point is this - DeMeirleir has not been credited for his work, nor

has he been funded for further research by the NCF. Indeed, he has

been castigated for filing a patent on stat-1 - filing patents is

done by any scientist with half a brain who wants to be able to fund

his research in the future. Research is terribly expensive.

My other point is this - It looks like DeMeirleir tends to think that

the underlying causes of cfs are bacterial, not viral. This fits with

most research so far indicating that viral infections are

opportunistic in cfs unlike AIDS where HIV is causitive.

So my conclusion is this - Why not fund research into the bacteria

that seem to be quite common in cfs - borrrelia, mycoplasma,

bartonella, rickettsia, babesia, erhlichia, perhaps some parasites?

We don't have any idea how common these might be in cfs and fms.

a Carnes

>

> The NCF used the research by their own researchers, Knox and

Carrigan,

> and others, for Stat 1, etc, not Dr. D.. You might want to email

and

> ask Gail for access to all the links with the supporting

documentation,

> so that you can be accurate regarding this new finding. .

>

> I have read most of the supporting documents, which number over 500

> pages. I implore this list to email Gail, directly, with your

> questions, and not draw conclusions on a mere press release:

> gailronda@...

> <http://releases.usnewswire.com/redir.asp?

ReleaseID=66663 & Link=mailto:gailronda@...>

>

> T.S.

>

> pjeanneus wrote:

> > ,

> > Let me try to make my point again.

> >

> > 1. The NCF used DeMeirleir's research on Stat 1 and his patent

> > information which is public domain knowledge, but did not give him

> > any credit - no footnoted link to his studies.

> >

> > 2. The NCF funded research on a virus which may or may not have

much

> > to do with causing cfs.

> >

> > 3. DeMeirleir, who is arguably the foremost researcher along with

> > Suhadolnik and Englebienne on this whole question, has not

indicated

> > that he feels a virus is the responsible infection for the

downstream

> > destruction of RNaseL or stat 1. Indeed, he gives at least equal

> > responsibility to both viruses and bacteria. MY QUESTION ALL ALONG

> > HAS BEEN WHY DOESN'T THE NCF LOCATED IN THE HEART OF LYME COUNTRY

> > FUND RESEARCH INTO BACTERIAL INFECTIONS THAT COULD DAMAGE THE

RNASEL

> > PATHWAY? Please note that patients with borrelia often are also

> > carrying mycoplasma mentioned by DeMeirleir as affecting RNaseL

and

> > stat 1.

> >

> > Cort doesn't go deeply into stat 1 since this was not

covered

> > in depth in DeMeirleir's book. DeMeirleir does mention repeatedly

> > that the virus infections found in cfs may be opportunistic and

that

> > bacteria such as mycoplasma can alter the RNaseL pathway. Also, in

> > DeMeirleir's treatment protocol he used both Ampligen and

antibiotics

> > alternating each 4 months at a time. I don't think he uses

Ampligen

> > at all anymore, probably because it causes further degradation of

> > stat 1 - again this LOOKS LIKE a virus is not the cause according

to

> > DeMeirleir as Ampligen is used to treat viral infections.

Hemespherix

> > has started researching the use of Ampligen for AIDS after all.

> >

> > Here is another quote from Cort's summary just to make the point

> > again.

> >

> > http://www.phoenix-cfs.org/The%20SITE/CFSABAVI.htm

> >

> > " Another possible factor in the apoptotic disregulation seen is

the

> > high number of opportunistic infections CFS patients have.

Viruses,

> > chlamydia and mycoplasma are all able to inhibit apoptosis. (We

will

> > see later that mycoplasmas also appear to be able to fragment

RNase

> > L. Opportunistic infections can also aggravate the pathogenic

> > process in CFS by disrupting metabolic pathways and cytokine

> > production. G-actin cleavage undoubtedly negatively effects

antigen

> > presentation and phagocytosis. "

> >

> > a Carnes

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a,

I do not understand why you are yelling on this list, about what you think the

NCF should be doing with their limited funds, just when people want to discuss

what they just now announce that they HAVE been doing.

We have just, again, as in many years past, spent weeks discussing all of your

pet theories and topics with all who agree with you, or who want to discuss it,

and you can not even give the light of day to other discussions of a new

announcement of interest to many other patients.

I also do not know why you were challenging Beach about his name. What in the

H difference does that make, or the one that you use, or anyone uses, just to

talk as patients about research? It seemed to be either a change the topic, or

attempt to intimidate. That is not a good precedent to set, since you know very

well that people use nicknames for a variety of reasons, including privacy for

they and family, or connected to jobs, insurance, disabilty cases, and other

reasons that are none of anyone's business.

Please give the respect and space to others' interests that are given to yours.

Katrina

> > > ,

> > > Let me try to make my point again.

> > >

> > > 1. The NCF used DeMeirleir's research on Stat 1 and his patent

> > > information which is public domain knowledge, but did not give him

> > > any credit - no footnoted link to his studies.

> > >

> > > 2. The NCF funded research on a virus which may or may not have

> much

> > > to do with causing cfs.

> > >

> > > 3. DeMeirleir, who is arguably the foremost researcher along with

> > > Suhadolnik and Englebienne on this whole question, has not

> indicated

> > > that he feels a virus is the responsible infection for the

> downstream

> > > destruction of RNaseL or stat 1. Indeed, he gives at least equal

> > > responsibility to both viruses and bacteria. MY QUESTION ALL ALONG

> > > HAS BEEN WHY DOESN'T THE NCF LOCATED IN THE HEART OF LYME COUNTRY

> > > FUND RESEARCH INTO BACTERIAL INFECTIONS THAT COULD DAMAGE THE

> RNASEL

> > > PATHWAY? Please note that patients with borrelia often are also

> > > carrying mycoplasma mentioned by DeMeirleir as affecting RNaseL

> and

> > > stat 1.

> > >

> > > Cort doesn't go deeply into stat 1 since this was not

> covered

> > > in depth in DeMeirleir's book. DeMeirleir does mention repeatedly

> > > that the virus infections found in cfs may be opportunistic and

> that

> > > bacteria such as mycoplasma can alter the RNaseL pathway. Also, in

> > > DeMeirleir's treatment protocol he used both Ampligen and

> antibiotics

> > > alternating each 4 months at a time. I don't think he uses

> Ampligen

> > > at all anymore, probably because it causes further degradation of

> > > stat 1 - again this LOOKS LIKE a virus is not the cause according

> to

> > > DeMeirleir as Ampligen is used to treat viral infections.

> Hemespherix

> > > has started researching the use of Ampligen for AIDS after all.

> > >

> > > Here is another quote from Cort's summary just to make the point

> > > again.

> > >

> > > http://www.phoenix-cfs.org/The%20SITE/CFSABAVI.htm

> > >

> > > " Another possible factor in the apoptotic disregulation seen is

> the

> > > high number of opportunistic infections CFS patients have.

> Viruses,

> > > chlamydia and mycoplasma are all able to inhibit apoptosis. (We

> will

> > > see later that mycoplasmas also appear to be able to fragment

> RNase

> > > L. Opportunistic infections can also aggravate the pathogenic

> > > process in CFS by disrupting metabolic pathways and cytokine

> > > production. G-actin cleavage undoubtedly negatively effects

> antigen

> > > presentation and phagocytosis. "

> > >

> > > a Carnes

>

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Excellent post Kat.

Covers alot of areas -

and could be applicable to any of us at any time we forget

why we're here.

Barb

> > > > ,

> > > > Let me try to make my point again.

> > > >

> > > > 1. The NCF used DeMeirleir's research on Stat 1 and his patent

> > > > information which is public domain knowledge, but did not

give him

> > > > any credit - no footnoted link to his studies.

> > > >

> > > > 2. The NCF funded research on a virus which may or may not

have

> > much

> > > > to do with causing cfs.

> > > >

> > > > 3. DeMeirleir, who is arguably the foremost researcher along

with

> > > > Suhadolnik and Englebienne on this whole question, has not

> > indicated

> > > > that he feels a virus is the responsible infection for the

> > downstream

> > > > destruction of RNaseL or stat 1. Indeed, he gives at least

equal

> > > > responsibility to both viruses and bacteria. MY QUESTION ALL

ALONG

> > > > HAS BEEN WHY DOESN'T THE NCF LOCATED IN THE HEART OF LYME

COUNTRY

> > > > FUND RESEARCH INTO BACTERIAL INFECTIONS THAT COULD DAMAGE THE

> > RNASEL

> > > > PATHWAY? Please note that patients with borrelia often are

also

> > > > carrying mycoplasma mentioned by DeMeirleir as affecting

RNaseL

> > and

> > > > stat 1.

> > > >

> > > > Cort doesn't go deeply into stat 1 since this was not

> > covered

> > > > in depth in DeMeirleir's book. DeMeirleir does mention

repeatedly

> > > > that the virus infections found in cfs may be opportunistic

and

> > that

> > > > bacteria such as mycoplasma can alter the RNaseL pathway.

Also, in

> > > > DeMeirleir's treatment protocol he used both Ampligen and

> > antibiotics

> > > > alternating each 4 months at a time. I don't think he uses

> > Ampligen

> > > > at all anymore, probably because it causes further

degradation of

> > > > stat 1 - again this LOOKS LIKE a virus is not the cause

according

> > to

> > > > DeMeirleir as Ampligen is used to treat viral infections.

> > Hemespherix

> > > > has started researching the use of Ampligen for AIDS after

all.

> > > >

> > > > Here is another quote from Cort's summary just to make the

point

> > > > again.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.phoenix-cfs.org/The%20SITE/CFSABAVI.htm

> > > >

> > > > " Another possible factor in the apoptotic disregulation seen

is

> > the

> > > > high number of opportunistic infections CFS patients have.

> > Viruses,

> > > > chlamydia and mycoplasma are all able to inhibit apoptosis.

(We

> > will

> > > > see later that mycoplasmas also appear to be able to fragment

> > RNase

> > > > L. Opportunistic infections can also aggravate the pathogenic

> > > > process in CFS by disrupting metabolic pathways and cytokine

> > > > production. G-actin cleavage undoubtedly negatively effects

> > antigen

> > > > presentation and phagocytosis. "

> > > >

> > > > a Carnes

> >

>

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