Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 i was wondering if anybody knows how different the amino acid content and make up of this product (which is said to be made from whey)differs from the undenatured why products like Immunopro. http://jarrow.com/product.php?prodid=194 could this product gives us a similar benefit to Immunopro? thanks bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Hi, . Some PWCs have reported that kefir has been very beneficial to them. When you refer to " the right kind of whey, " I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean nondenatured or native whey proteins, then if the milk is pasteurized, or if it is fermented as in making kefir, it will no longer contain native whey proteins. The only products that I know of that contain native whey proteins are RenewPro, ImmunePro Rx and The True Whey. It is possible to derive benefit from forms of whey protein other than the native whey proteins. Whey protein in general is the best balanced whey protein for supplying the amino acids that humans need. It is a very good nutritional source of protein. However, if you are trying to maximize production of glutathione by the liver, which is normally the main producer of glutathione in the body, then the native whey protein products are the best for doing that. Rich > > Hi Rich, can you tell me if making tradition kefir from organic store bought milk makes the right kind of whey? No one here so far, has been able to answer that. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Thanks Rich. I wasn't aware of all this history. If the cow produces it as reduced cysteine, that's about the best endorsement I can think of. > > Hi, bumblesquat.] > > As I've written here in the past, in my opinion, the Immunocal folks > have the cysteine-cystine story backwards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 It can be a pain to mix with a spoon. If you haven't tried this already, combine it with liquid in a drink bottle and shake or just invert a few times. If you can order the stuff and get it out of it's packaging, you can probably manage this. A bottle with a large twist- off top (such as rubbermaid) works best. The mixture goes bad easily if you don't rinse the bottle out soon after finishing the drink. After a while the bottle can take on a smell. I've found that a rinse with vinegar takes care of this. > > are there any workable pill forms? i don't have the energy to mix the > powders. > > jim > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Hi , > Hi Rich, can you tell me if making tradition kefir from organic store > bought milk makes the right kind of whey? No one here so far, has been > able to answer that. I think that kefir is not the kind of whey Rich is talking about. We take ImmuneProRx (non-denatured whey protein) and we also make kefir (a whey made from any kind of milk or sometimes juice, using starter " grains " --not the dried or frozen grains--that look like tiny pieces of cauliflower). Sue , Upstate New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Sue, I made some kefir from grains for awhile. Loved it, but it seemed to produce alcohol. I did some research, and sure enough kefir does contain alcohol from the fermentation. Are you, or your daughter, able to tolerate the alcohol? I wasn't able to handle it - gave me headache and brain-fog. I find the store bought kefir (I know, not as good) doesn't seem to have the alcohol. in AZ Re: another whey question ......we also make kefir (a whey made from any kind of milk or sometimes juice, using starter " grains " --not the dried or frozen grains--that look like tiny pieces of cauliflower). Sue , Upstate New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Why wouldn't it? It has a very mild taste like something you'd put into a baby bottle (and the baby would not find it disgusting) just a bland milky taste, in powder form. You need a bit of water in your mouth otherwise it gets sticky but it is dead easy, no washing up except the spoon:) Nelly Re: Re: another whey question you mean chew it? you think it would stay down? janel@... writes: > You can just take the powder straight from the jar, just keep it in your > mouth with a tiny bit of water then swallow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I make kefir from the grains, and it has helped my IBS. But I guess it's not non-denatured whey protein. Also started NAC, I can't afford the Mixes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 HI Rich, New to the list and just learning. I want to make sure I am taking the right kind of Whey Protein. I take Whey Protein Osolate by Biotics Research. Will this do the job to raise glutathione levels??? Thank you in advance for your help, Janet rvankonynen <richvank@...> wrote: Hi, . Some PWCs have reported that kefir has been very beneficial to them. When you refer to " the right kind of whey, " I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean nondenatured or native whey proteins, then if the milk is pasteurized, or if it is fermented as in making kefir, it will no longer contain native whey proteins. The only products that I know of that contain native whey proteins are RenewPro, ImmunePro Rx and The True Whey. It is possible to derive benefit from forms of whey protein other than the native whey proteins. Whey protein in general is the best balanced whey protein for supplying the amino acids that humans need. It is a very good nutritional source of protein. However, if you are trying to maximize production of glutathione by the liver, which is normally the main producer of glutathione in the body, then the native whey protein products are the best for doing that. Rich > > Hi Rich, can you tell me if making tradition kefir from organic store bought milk makes the right kind of whey? No one here so far, has been able to answer that. > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 HI Rich, Just sent you the question on Whey Protein Isoltate. I was looking at mine and noticed its lists Lactorferrin 36 mg, Immunoglobulin (IgG) 600 mg and Alpha -Lactalbumin 3,160 mg, Beta-Lactoglobulin 11,310 mg, Glycomacropeptide 2,990 mg and Bovine Serum Albumin 510 mg. Is this ok to build the glutathione??? Janet rvankonynen <richvank@...> wrote: Hi, bumblesquat.] As I've written here in the past, in my opinion, the Immunocal folks have the cysteine-cystine story backwards in their promotional material for Immunocal. First, let me say that Dr. Gustavo Bounous, who is the main researcher behind Immunocal, is really responsible for discovering the benefits of nondenatured whey protein for the immune system. Unfortunately, he got his biochemistry backward when he tried to explain it, and that misconception has continued into the Immunocal promotional materials. The fact is that when the whey proteins come out of the cow, they are in the chemically reduced, non-denatured state. In that state, the cysteine is present as cysteine, not cystine. This is the best form for use by the calf, and it's also the best form for use by a human body. The liver cells are able to readily import cysteine. However, they do not import cystine (the oxidized form) well. Cystine must first go to the kidneys and be recycled back into the blood, partly as cysteine, and the liver is then able to import it to make glutathione. When whey protein is derived as a byproduct of cheesemaking (which uses the casein and butterfat or curd fraction of the milk), the whey has been subjected to pasteurization and acid treating in the cheesemaking process, and this denatures the proteins (changes their shape or fragments them) and oxidizes the cysteine to cystine. Dr. Bounous originally used nondenatured whey protein in his animal experiments, and found it to be very potent for helping the immune system. However, when his work was commercialized as Immunocal, the only economic, high-volume source of whey protein they could find was cheesemaking byproduct. They used a filtration process on it to remove a lot of the damaged protein and non-protein fractions, and the dried product is called a whey protein isolate. They decided to call it " undenatured, " which is really a misnomer, because a protein cannot really be undenatured after it has been denatured. They have really only filtered out most of the damaged proteins. However, the overall process used to make the whey protein isolates eliminates the lactoferrin, the immunoglobulins and the immune peptides as well as oxidizing cysteine to cystine. I don't mean to say that whey protein isolates cannot be helpful. They clearly can. The are more concentrated in cystine than the cheaper bulk whey protein sold in the large white plastic jars. However, they do not contain cysteine in its original chemically reduced form, which is most directly useable by the liver for making glutathione. Some PWCs are not able to tolerate the nondenatured whey protein products (RenewPro, ImmunePro Rx, and The True Whey), because they are too potent, and they do better on the whey protein isolates. But there clearly are differences between these categories of products, and it isn't just advertising hype. Rich > > > > i was wondering if anybody knows how different the amino acid > content > > and make up of this product (which is said to be made from whey) > differs > > from the undenatured why products like Immunopro. > > > > http://jarrow.com/product.php?prodid=194 > > > > could this product gives us a similar benefit to Immunopro? > > > > thanks > > bill > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 It should do there are other similar products that contain no crap either. You may want to add some berries for flavour. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Your Whey will contain all the precursors to build Glutathione. Dont start panicking too much about all the other micro fractions just yet. Lactoferrin is useful - perhaps taken seperately later down the line. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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