Re: question for Rich- chelating - Andy

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Hi, .

My thinking about this has changed over time. At first, I just

accepted what others were saying about this. I think the guidance

about removing the fillings before chelating is based on the general

principle in toxicology that the first thing that should be done is to

remove the source of the toxins. Ideally, that is a good idea.

However, the problem with amalgams is that the process of removal

gives the person a larger exposure, which is just the opposite of what

this general principle is trying to achieve.

So on further reflection, I have come to the position that a person

should first raise their glutathione levels by whatever means are

effective for them. This might be possible by a direct approach, such

as using whey protein or NAC plus protein, perhaps in addition using a

means of putting glutathione per se into the blood, such as I.V.,

I.M., suppository, nebulizer, or other means. In other cases, this

does not seem to work, and then I think the autism-type treatments

involving compensation for genetic variations in enzymes impacting the

sulfur metabolism may be successful.

Once the glutathione level is up, then I think that chelation can be

safely done. The glutathione acts as a safety net, so that if some

heavy metals are released from the chelator in the process of

chelation, glutathione can bind them and take them out, so they do not

move into the brain. The other reason it's important to raise

glutathione before chelating is that the chelator will also bind

glutathione and take it out, and if its level is already low, this

will lower it further.

Of course, if the glutathione level is up, it is also much safer to

remove the amalgams, because evaporated and inhaled mercury will be

bound by glutathione in the blood as it passes through the lungs, and

will be taken out of the body.

Marcia has a particularly difficult situation, because she has not

been able to raise her glutathione even after a long period of trying

various ways to do so. I suspect that her large metal load is

preventing the raising of glutathione. Even though I would prefer to

see the glutathione raised before either chelating or removing

amalgams, this may not be possible in her case. She may have to

remove the sources of the heavy metals before she will be able to

raise her glutathione. I think she will be vulnerable to metals

exposures during this process, and I hope she will take every

precaution she can while doing it, including a high volume vacuum

line, lots of cooling water, and putting in glutathione and its

precursors before and after the procedure to trap heavy metals that

enter her body. Sometimes there are no easy answers.

Rich

> MARCIA just a note of warning, I read one of Rich's online articles

> after you said you thought it was safe to chelate with mercury

> fillings in your mouth; but in his article he clearly states that it

> is NOT safe to do this.

>

> Rich could you clarify please?

>

> thanks

> all the best

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich.

I agree with you. When my doctor first recommended that I get my

amalgams out I did not feel strong enough to get through the process of

having them removed, let alone the aftereffects. But after a year or

so of IV glutathione treatments, I had my amalgams out and did DMPS

chelation with no problems.

I recently had blood tests done for heavy metals, a few years after my

amalgam removal, and my doctor was impressed that my levels were so low.

Tom

[Guest guest]

Tom,

How has it affected your cfs? Are you a lot better for having had the merc out?

Marcia

I agree with you. When my doctor first recommended that I get my

amalgams out I did not feel strong enough to get through the process of

having them removed, let alone the aftereffects. But after a year or

so of IV glutathione treatments, I had my amalgams out and did DMPS

chelation with no problems.

I recently had blood tests done for heavy metals, a few years after my

amalgam removal, and my doctor was impressed that my levels were so low.

Tom

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other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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Tom-

Would you describe exactly what you were doing wiht the glut, what form and

how often?

Thanks

Kathy

Hi Rich.

I agree with you. When my doctor first recommended that I get my

amalgams out I did not feel strong enough to get through the process of

having them removed, let alone the aftereffects. But after a year or

so of IV glutathione treatments, I had my amalgams out and did DMPS

chelation with no problems.

I recently had blood tests done for heavy metals, a few years after my

amalgam removal, and my doctor was impressed that my levels were so low.

Tom

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Hi -

I know of at least 4-5 people wjho have succesfully chelated using true

homeopathic products. But I am not sure if we are talking the same language

when we say " homeopathic " .

Are we talking about classical homeopathic remedies, such a Pulsitilla,

Arsenicum, Ignatia, etc?

Kathy

Hi Andy

thanks vrey much for your reply, if homeopathic chelation is so potentially

dangerous, I will need to find an affordable alternative. I can start my own

online research now, but if you have the information at your fingertips could

you spare the time,just to list for me one or two safe chelation methods? Will

raising my glutathione (sp) levels automatically chelate?Does the high dose

vitamin C I have been taking for years, along withselenium and zinc, not chelate

gently, or does it only deal with

mercury in the blood?All these questions, I know, but here in the UK there seems

to be nodoctors or specialists who are willing to even 'touch' the

mercuryquestion. I saw a Consultant Neurologist once who actually insistedthat

my large mercury exposure and my illness were absolutelycoincidental and there

was no chance at all they could be related!MARCIA just a note of warning, I read

one of Rich's online articlesafter you said you thought it was safe to chelate

with mercuryfillings in your mouth; but in his article he clearly states that

itis NOT safe to do this.

Rich could you clarify please?

thanks

all the best

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Hi and Grouo-

I must chime in on this as a person who had all my fillings replaced now. I

wish I had done what I am doing now as far as the glutathione pushes and the

vit/min/element drips a long time ago.

However in hindsight with what I now know, I think for me it would have been

best to do a very very very low dose chelation before and during the fillings

being replaced, which took me two years to do. My poor MCS body just could not

get the stuff out that was being loosened up in spite of my efforts at the time

and really needed more help. And now post amalgam and into chelation, I think

my body is trying to play catch up fron the set back of the insufficent support

I gave it during the amalgam removal process.

Kathy

> MARCIA just a note of warning, I read one of Rich's online articles

> after you said you thought it was safe to chelate with mercury

> fillings in your mouth; but in his article he clearly states that it

> is NOT safe to do this.

>

> Rich could you clarify please?

>

> thanks

> all the best

>

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I'm taking a break from listening to a Boyd Haley DVD from the Autism

One conference. He's just terrific. There's scientific stuff I didn't

know about.

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> > MARCIA just a note of warning, I read one of Rich's online articles

> > after you said you thought it was safe to chelate with mercury

> > fillings in your mouth; but in his article he clearly states that it

> > is NOT safe to do this.

> >

> > Rich could you clarify please?

> >

> > thanks

> > all the best

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

yes, I believe so, anyway.

My homeopathic practitioner gave me a Merc. remedy to take before

and aftre I was having an amalgam filling replaced, and I suffered no

ill-effects to speak of even though the amalgam was only removed in

the old-fashioned way by an ordinary NHS dentist who had little

patience for talk of 'mercury toxicity'.

My homeopathic practitioner also carefully devised a chelation remedy

consisting of Plutonium, Syph, and Thymus Eland; which was designed

to gently and slowly chelate my load of Mercury, Lead, and Barium (as

revealed in my great smokies test results). I was advised to begin

slowly, (I think it was a single dose every other week);however this

remedy 'proved' so dramatically the first time I took it, that I have

been afraid to take it since. Of course I am too broke now to return

to my homeopath, although I still have a substantial amount of the

remedy.

Dr Andy said that in his considerable experience, Homeopathic

chelation can be extremely dangerous and cause dramatic set-backs.

How many people do you know who report having successfully chelated

homeopathically? do you know what remedies they used and in what

doses, or how long it took overall?

sorry to ask so many questions, but there are so many questions to be

answered lol!!

thanks

all the best

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> Hi -

>

> I know of at least 4-5 people wjho have succesfully chelated

using true homeopathic products. But I am not sure if we are talking

the same language when we say " homeopathic " .

>

> Are we talking about classical homeopathic remedies, such a

Pulsitilla, Arsenicum, Ignatia, etc?

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have spent a year building glutathione.

Even with this I still felt aas if i had been knocked out by the local

anasethetic whilst removing a tooth.

rRegards

CS

[Guest guest]

Hi Marcia.

I did not feel a big difference after getting my amalgams out and

chelating. At the time I thought that it improved my immune function

a little and gave me a little more energy. But now when I look back

on it and realize that I didn't feel strong enough to do the dental

procedure without crashing, I know that I am in better shape today

because I would not hesitate to have dental work done if needed. I

think we all feel that any improvement is significant, so I am glad

that I got my amalgams out.

I've tried many other treatments during this time so it is hard for

me to say just how much improvement to ascribe to each one. I do

think that IV glutathione was one of the most effective treatments I

have tried. I can no longer get it, so I use whey protein. I am

waiting to hear a little bit about other's experience before trying

liposomal glutathione. I hope it is effective because, like Rich, I

think glutathione is an important treatment for us and I'd like to

get as much of it as I can.

Amalgam removal and other dental treatments have resulted in big

improvements for some PWCs, but you have to be ready to do them or

you can have major problems. My gut or subconscious or something

told me when I was ready. So I suggest that people wait until they

really feel that they are ready for it.

Tom

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy.

I was doing 1000 mg of reduced glutathione in an IV push (a large

syringe) once sometimes twice a week. I don't know where my doctor

got the glutathione from, It was in a solution because the syringe

was 30 or 50 ccs. I can't remember exactly.

Tom

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> Tom-

>

> Would you describe exactly what you were doing wiht the glut,

what form and how often?

>

> Thanks

> Kathy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amalgam removal and other dental treatments have resulted in big

improvements for some PWCs, but you have to be ready to do them or

you can have major problems. My gut or subconscious or something

told me when I was ready. So I suggest that people wait until they

really feel that they are ready for it.

Tom

thanks for all the input and sharing your experience Tom. Seems like most

people that have made substantial recovery had had their amalgams out, but they

have had to do other treatments (antibiotics or treating infections, etc)

besides doing the mercury, and the glutathione is a key factor in it too. So I

think its a piece of the puzzle for many.

Marcia

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Hi, CS.

You may have some genetic variations in your detox enzymes. This

seems to be common in PWCs. That would prevent your body from getting

rid of the anesthetic as rapidly as normal, and it would also allow

the concentration to rise higher, so that you might have stronger and

longer-lasting effects than other people.

Rich

>

> I have spent a year building glutathione.

> Even with this I still felt aas if i had been knocked out by the

local

> anasethetic whilst removing a tooth.

>

> rRegards

> CS

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