Re: Whey, Glutathione, Specific Carbohydrate Diet/shakerz25

[Guest guest]

Hi, shakerz25.

" shakerz25 " <shakerz25@...> wrote:

>

> After trying Whey protein for some time, and feeling no improvement,

> I have come to think maybe this is not going to increase glutathione

> levels for me, and maybe others.

***Which type whey did you use? Not all wheys are the same. In fact for those

with low glutathione, one type vs another can make a profound difference in

trajectory towards health or not.

> I have started Readisorb Liposomal Glutathione, and think I feel

> immediate benefit, if that is possible.

***It could be. One study done with a chemo drug, which are known for being

difficult in bypassing the blood-brain barrier to effectively treat brain

cancers, had this agent put into liposomes, like glutathione is done in

Readisorb for example, then administered to a brain cancer patient. The result

was an efficient and completely successful transfer of the chemo agent into the

inside of glial cells of the patient's brain. I think this bodes well for

liposomal delivery of glutathione to the inside of cells and providing needed

benefit there.

> Elaine Gottschall, author of the book " Breaking the Vicious Cycle, "

> and proponent of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, has a negative

> opinion of whey at www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info under " Knowledge

> Base, " under " W. "

***I looked at this and I agree with the her critique of the type of whey, that

made as a by product of cheese manufacturing, in which she is referring.

Unfortunately before she died, she apparently didn't find out about the

effectiveness of nondenatured whey, the type NOT made as a by product of cheese

and which is not oxidized(a huge distinction).

***Dr Cheney, I believe unknowingly on his part also, ran into the same trouble

and drew a similar, albeit not accurate conclusion about whey, because of his

trials with ImmunoCal. If he would have used nondenatured ImmunePro or more

currently RenewPro or a product called The True Whey he would have had and now

be getting far superior treatment results with the PWCs he

sees, particularly those with low hypothalamus hormone output(human growth

hormone, vasopressin, etc), low blood volume, orthostatic intolerance,

hypothyroidism and diastolic heart faiure.

TheseThis book and diet are mentioned in the

> Pangborn/Baker Autism book that Rich and others have suggested here.

> There is a group for the SCD called " pecanbread. "

>

> My guess is whey and the other mountains of supplements I have tried

> have done no good because I can't assimilate them due to injured

> microvilli, mucoid plaque and bacterial overgrowth in the small

> intestine.

***As I'm indicating, I think the problem is far more likely from the

inferiority of the whey product(s) you had been using.

The SCD looks like it may be the best and only way forward for me at

> this point. I am grateful to this list for leading me to it.

[Guest guest]

Thank your for the reply. I tried Immunocal in the distant past,

nothing. More recently I tried Metagenics whey, and Renewpro, which

are " non-denatured " whey, and saw no benefit. Maybe they were doing

something, but I didn't see it. My understanding is these are the

high-quality whey products you describe, and the price tag leads one

to believe that they might not be inferior.

If they don't do anything, why? Maybe blocks in the methylation

cycle. I have the Autism book and can't figure out the methylation

cycle, which I guess indicates cognitive impairments greater than I

care to admit. The best I can do is try this, try that. Next is B6

and magnesium, taurine, TMG...The order of trials is probably

important, but beyond me.

I got the impression from the talk about glutathione and whey on this

list that if you take whey (like Renewpro), you increase glutathione,

and you're on the road to recovery. However, it's not that simple:

the whey powders apparently don't work for me, so I'm trying the

liposomal.

This SCD diet advocates cutting out all carbs except

monosaccharides. Seems crazy, but actually makes sense. The whey

powders, whole grains, supplements, etc., don't do anything because

they just muck up the microvilli and their enzymes in the small

intestine. Since I have already tried many diet changes and have

been avoiding gluten for some time, the SCD will not actually be that

difficult, and as I said, may hold some promise. It's not what you

eat, but what you assimilate. And what you don't assimilate, burdens

the system and does harm.

> >

> > After trying Whey protein for some time, and feeling no

improvement,

> > I have come to think maybe this is not going to increase

glutathione

> > levels for me, and maybe others.

>

>

>

> ***Which type whey did you use? Not all wheys are the same. In

fact for those with low glutathione, one type vs another can make a

profound difference in trajectory towards health or not.

>

>

>

>

> > I have started Readisorb Liposomal Glutathione, and think I feel

> > immediate benefit, if that is possible.

>

>

>

> ***It could be. One study done with a chemo drug, which are known

for being difficult in bypassing the blood-brain barrier to

effectively treat brain cancers, had this agent put into liposomes,

like glutathione is done in Readisorb for example, then administered

to a brain cancer patient. The result was an efficient and completely

successful transfer of the chemo agent into the inside of glial cells

of the patient's brain. I think this bodes well for liposomal

delivery of glutathione to the inside of cells and providing needed

benefit there.

>

>

>

>

> > Elaine Gottschall, author of the book " Breaking the Vicious

Cycle, "

> > and proponent of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, has a negative

> > opinion of whey at www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

under " Knowledge

> > Base, " under " W. "

>

>

>

> ***I looked at this and I agree with the her critique of the type

of whey, that made as a by product of cheese manufacturing, in which

she is referring. Unfortunately before she died, she apparently

didn't find out about the effectiveness of nondenatured whey, the

type NOT made as a by product of cheese and which is not oxidized(a

huge distinction).

>

>

>

> ***Dr Cheney, I believe unknowingly on his part also, ran into the

same trouble and drew a similar, albeit not accurate conclusion about

whey, because of his trials with ImmunoCal. If he would have used

nondenatured ImmunePro or more currently RenewPro or a product called

The True Whey he would have had and now be getting far superior

treatment results with the PWCs he

> sees, particularly those with low hypothalamus hormone output(human

growth hormone, vasopressin, etc), low blood volume, orthostatic

intolerance, hypothyroidism and diastolic heart faiure.

>

>

>

> TheseThis book and diet are mentioned in the

> > Pangborn/Baker Autism book that Rich and others have suggested

here.

> > There is a group for the SCD called " pecanbread. "

> >

> > My guess is whey and the other mountains of supplements I have

tried

> > have done no good because I can't assimilate them due to injured

> > microvilli, mucoid plaque and bacterial overgrowth in the small

> > intestine.

>

>

>

> ***As I'm indicating, I think the problem is far more likely from

the inferiority of the whey product(s) you had been using.

>

>

>

> The SCD looks like it may be the best and only way forward for me

at

> > this point. I am grateful to this list for leading me to it.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am going on the SCD later this month, am slowly decreasing my

intake of certain foods prior to doing it. Read about it in the

Pangborn Baker book. Sounds worth a try.

Cheney has patients on Immune Pro and liposomal glutathione.

Immune Pro has a small amount of lactose in it, which is forbidden on

the SCD, but I'm going to keep taking it anyway.

Cheney in his video talks about xenobiotic toxins from the guts

causing problems and that is exactly what the SCD addresses, by

starving the bad bacteria. The problem is the die off release of

toxins from the bad bacteria which I am trying to lessen by ramping

down my complex carb intake prior to going on the SCD.

The people at pecanbread recommend Epsom Salt baths and taking

activated charcoal caps to reduce die off. I asked about doing enemas

as an adjunct but nobody answered me. Since they are mostly parents

of autistic kids, that would be a problem to do and probably hasn't

been looked into much.

One of my friends said trying to avoid die off was like trying to

avoid gravity but I'm still trying to find a way to do it.

Helen

> >

> > After trying Whey protein for some time, and feeling no

improvement,

> > I have come to think maybe this is not going to increase

glutathione

> > levels for me, and maybe others.

>

>

>

> ***Which type whey did you use? Not all wheys are the same. In

fact for those with low glutathione, one type vs another can make a

profound difference in trajectory towards health or not.

>

>

>

>

> > I have started Readisorb Liposomal Glutathione, and think I feel

> > immediate benefit, if that is possible.

>

>

>

> ***It could be. One study done with a chemo drug, which are known

for being difficult in bypassing the blood-brain barrier to

effectively treat brain cancers, had this agent put into liposomes,

like glutathione is done in Readisorb for example, then administered

to a brain cancer patient. The result was an efficient and completely

successful transfer of the chemo agent into the inside of glial cells

of the patient's brain. I think this bodes well for liposomal

delivery of glutathione to the inside of cells and providing needed

benefit there.

>

>

>

>

> > Elaine Gottschall, author of the book " Breaking the Vicious

Cycle, "

> > and proponent of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, has a negative

> > opinion of whey at www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

under " Knowledge

> > Base, " under " W. "

>

>

>

> ***I looked at this and I agree with the her critique of the type

of whey, that made as a by product of cheese manufacturing, in which

she is referring. Unfortunately before she died, she apparently

didn't find out about the effectiveness of nondenatured whey, the

type NOT made as a by product of cheese and which is not oxidized(a

huge distinction).

>

>

>

> ***Dr Cheney, I believe unknowingly on his part also, ran into the

same trouble and drew a similar, albeit not accurate conclusion about

whey, because of his trials with ImmunoCal. If he would have used

nondenatured ImmunePro or more currently RenewPro or a product called

The True Whey he would have had and now be getting far superior

treatment results with the PWCs he

> sees, particularly those with low hypothalamus hormone output(human

growth hormone, vasopressin, etc), low blood volume, orthostatic

intolerance, hypothyroidism and diastolic heart faiure.

>

>

>

> TheseThis book and diet are mentioned in the

> > Pangborn/Baker Autism book that Rich and others have suggested

here.

> > There is a group for the SCD called " pecanbread. "

> >

> > My guess is whey and the other mountains of supplements I have

tried

> > have done no good because I can't assimilate them due to injured

> > microvilli, mucoid plaque and bacterial overgrowth in the small

> > intestine.

>

>

>

> ***As I'm indicating, I think the problem is far more likely from

the inferiority of the whey product(s) you had been using.

>

>

>

> The SCD looks like it may be the best and only way forward for me

at

> > this point. I am grateful to this list for leading me to it.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know. I get the type I am taking from the Wellness Pharmacy.

> > >

> > > After trying Whey protein for some time, and feeling no

> improvement,

> > > I have come to think maybe this is not going to increase

> glutathione

> > > levels for me, and maybe others.

> >

> >

> >

> > ***Which type whey did you use? Not all wheys are the same. In

> fact for those with low glutathione, one type vs another can make a

> profound difference in trajectory towards health or not.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > I have started Readisorb Liposomal Glutathione, and think I

feel

> > > immediate benefit, if that is possible.

> >

> >

> >

> > ***It could be. One study done with a chemo drug, which are

known

> for being difficult in bypassing the blood-brain barrier to

> effectively treat brain cancers, had this agent put into liposomes,

> like glutathione is done in Readisorb for example, then

administered

> to a brain cancer patient. The result was an efficient and

completely

> successful transfer of the chemo agent into the inside of glial

cells

> of the patient's brain. I think this bodes well for liposomal

> delivery of glutathione to the inside of cells and providing needed

> benefit there.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Elaine Gottschall, author of the book " Breaking the Vicious

> Cycle, "

> > > and proponent of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, has a negative

> > > opinion of whey at www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> under " Knowledge

> > > Base, " under " W. "

> >

> >

> >

> > ***I looked at this and I agree with the her critique of the type

> of whey, that made as a by product of cheese manufacturing, in

which

> she is referring. Unfortunately before she died, she apparently

> didn't find out about the effectiveness of nondenatured whey, the

> type NOT made as a by product of cheese and which is not oxidized(a

> huge distinction).

> >

> >

> >

> > ***Dr Cheney, I believe unknowingly on his part also, ran into

the

> same trouble and drew a similar, albeit not accurate conclusion

about

> whey, because of his trials with ImmunoCal. If he would have used

> nondenatured ImmunePro or more currently RenewPro or a product

called

> The True Whey he would have had and now be getting far superior

> treatment results with the PWCs he

> > sees, particularly those with low hypothalamus hormone output

(human

> growth hormone, vasopressin, etc), low blood volume, orthostatic

> intolerance, hypothyroidism and diastolic heart faiure.

> >

> >

> >

> > TheseThis book and diet are mentioned in the

> > > Pangborn/Baker Autism book that Rich and others have suggested

> here.

> > > There is a group for the SCD called " pecanbread. "

> > >

> > > My guess is whey and the other mountains of supplements I have

> tried

> > > have done no good because I can't assimilate them due to

injured

> > > microvilli, mucoid plaque and bacterial overgrowth in the small

> > > intestine.

> >

> >

> >

> > ***As I'm indicating, I think the problem is far more likely from

> the inferiority of the whey product(s) you had been using.

> >

> >

> >

> > The SCD looks like it may be the best and only way forward for

me

> at

> > > this point. I am grateful to this list for leading me to it.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested

in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

it's not prescription but it's expensive, forget what I paid but it

was a lot

if you google Wellness Pharmacy maybe will come up, they are in

Georgia or somewhere in the south

> > > >

> > > > After trying Whey protein for some time, and feeling no

> > improvement,

> > > > I have come to think maybe this is not going to increase

> > glutathione

> > > > levels for me, and maybe others.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ***Which type whey did you use? Not all wheys are the same.

In

> > fact for those with low glutathione, one type vs another can make

a

> > profound difference in trajectory towards health or not.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > I have started Readisorb Liposomal Glutathione, and think I

> feel

> > > > immediate benefit, if that is possible.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ***It could be. One study done with a chemo drug, which are

> known

> > for being difficult in bypassing the blood-brain barrier to

> > effectively treat brain cancers, had this agent put into

liposomes,

> > like glutathione is done in Readisorb for example, then

> administered

> > to a brain cancer patient. The result was an efficient and

> completely

> > successful transfer of the chemo agent into the inside of glial

> cells

> > of the patient's brain. I think this bodes well for liposomal

> > delivery of glutathione to the inside of cells and providing

needed

> > benefit there.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Elaine Gottschall, author of the book " Breaking the Vicious

> > Cycle, "

> > > > and proponent of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, has a

negative

> > > > opinion of whey at www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > under " Knowledge

> > > > Base, " under " W. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ***I looked at this and I agree with the her critique of the

type

> > of whey, that made as a by product of cheese manufacturing, in

> which

> > she is referring. Unfortunately before she died, she apparently

> > didn't find out about the effectiveness of nondenatured whey, the

> > type NOT made as a by product of cheese and which is not oxidized

(a

> > huge distinction).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ***Dr Cheney, I believe unknowingly on his part also, ran into

> the

> > same trouble and drew a similar, albeit not accurate conclusion

> about

> > whey, because of his trials with ImmunoCal. If he would have

used

> > nondenatured ImmunePro or more currently RenewPro or a product

> called

> > The True Whey he would have had and now be getting far superior

> > treatment results with the PWCs he

> > > sees, particularly those with low hypothalamus hormone output

> (human

> > growth hormone, vasopressin, etc), low blood volume, orthostatic

> > intolerance, hypothyroidism and diastolic heart faiure.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > TheseThis book and diet are mentioned in the

> > > > Pangborn/Baker Autism book that Rich and others have

suggested

> > here.

> > > > There is a group for the SCD called " pecanbread. "

> > > >

> > > > My guess is whey and the other mountains of supplements I

have

> > tried

> > > > have done no good because I can't assimilate them due to

> injured

> > > > microvilli, mucoid plaque and bacterial overgrowth in the

small

> > > > intestine.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ***As I'm indicating, I think the problem is far more likely

from

> > the inferiority of the whey product(s) you had been using.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The SCD looks like it may be the best and only way forward for

> me

> > at

> > > > this point. I am grateful to this list for leading me to it.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested

> in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't mean to speak for Rich but so far he has been very good at

interpreting folks' results just out of kindness, when they ask. It's

been very interesting to read too.

> > >

> > > After trying Whey protein for some time, and feeling no

> improvement,

> > > I have come to think maybe this is not going to increase

> glutathione

> > > levels for me, and maybe others.

> >

> >

> >

> > ***Which type whey did you use? Not all wheys are the same. In

> fact for those with low glutathione, one type vs another can make a

> profound difference in trajectory towards health or not.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > I have started Readisorb Liposomal Glutathione, and think I feel

> > > immediate benefit, if that is possible.

> >

> >

> >

> > ***It could be. One study done with a chemo drug, which are known

> for being difficult in bypassing the blood-brain barrier to

> effectively treat brain cancers, had this agent put into liposomes,

> like glutathione is done in Readisorb for example, then administered

> to a brain cancer patient. The result was an efficient and completely

> successful transfer of the chemo agent into the inside of glial cells

> of the patient's brain. I think this bodes well for liposomal

> delivery of glutathione to the inside of cells and providing needed

> benefit there.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Elaine Gottschall, author of the book " Breaking the Vicious

> Cycle, "

> > > and proponent of the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, has a negative

> > > opinion of whey at www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> under " Knowledge

> > > Base, " under " W. "

> >

> >

> >

> > ***I looked at this and I agree with the her critique of the type

> of whey, that made as a by product of cheese manufacturing, in which

> she is referring. Unfortunately before she died, she apparently

> didn't find out about the effectiveness of nondenatured whey, the

> type NOT made as a by product of cheese and which is not oxidized(a

> huge distinction).

> >

> >

> >

> > ***Dr Cheney, I believe unknowingly on his part also, ran into the

> same trouble and drew a similar, albeit not accurate conclusion about

> whey, because of his trials with ImmunoCal. If he would have used

> nondenatured ImmunePro or more currently RenewPro or a product called

> The True Whey he would have had and now be getting far superior

> treatment results with the PWCs he

> > sees, particularly those with low hypothalamus hormone output(human

> growth hormone, vasopressin, etc), low blood volume, orthostatic

> intolerance, hypothyroidism and diastolic heart faiure.

> >

> >

> >

> > TheseThis book and diet are mentioned in the

> > > Pangborn/Baker Autism book that Rich and others have suggested

> here.

> > > There is a group for the SCD called " pecanbread. "

> > >

> > > My guess is whey and the other mountains of supplements I have

> tried

> > > have done no good because I can't assimilate them due to injured

> > > microvilli, mucoid plaque and bacterial overgrowth in the small

> > > intestine.

> >

> >

> >

> > ***As I'm indicating, I think the problem is far more likely from

> the inferiority of the whey product(s) you had been using.

> >

> >

> >

> > The SCD looks like it may be the best and only way forward for me

> at

> > > this point. I am grateful to this list for leading me to it.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in

any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, shakerz25

" shakerz25 " <shakerz25@...> wrote:

>

> Thank your for the reply. I tried Immunocal in the distant past,

> nothing.

***I'm not surprised. Immunocal is oxidized whey, pretty much the opposite of

what PWCs need in general.

More recently I tried Metagenics whey, and Renewpro, which are " non-denatured "

whey, and saw no benefit. Maybe they were doing something, but I didn't see

it.

***I think this is likely and you may need to use them for up to six months to

begin to see objective, not how you feel, improvements in glutathione status.

What objective indicators did you use to determine if you glutathione level is

coming up? I saw the objective indicators of improved glutathione status by

means stated at message#90019 if that helps. Of course, there is also the

ImmunoScience Labs red blood cell glutathione test to

do this directly.

My understanding is these are the

high-quality whey products you describe, and the price tag leads one

to believe that they might not be inferior. If they don't do anything, why?

Maybe blocks in the methylation

cycle.

***Getting clear on glutathione status is crucial. It's important not to jump

to conclusions based on how one feels early on when using these effective

products as even with improved glutathione status things like mercury, etc. can

be the next thing to address before feeling better ever starts to occur.

I have the Autism book and can't figure out the methylation cycle, which I guess

indicates cognitive impairments greater than I care to admit. The best I can do

is try this, try that. Next is B6 and magnesium, taurine, TMG...The order of

trials is probably

> important, but beyond me.

>

> I got the impression from the talk about glutathione and whey on this

> list that if you take whey (like Renewpro), you increase glutathione,

> and you're on the road to recovery. However, it's not that simple: the whey

powders apparently don't work for me, so I'm trying the

> liposomal.

***Well, take your time and be patient with yourself in attempting to process

all the data as of recent. Try to base conclusions on treatment effectiveness

by integrating both ojective as well personal feel for what's actually being

accomplished. Thats great about the liposomal glutathione!

[Guest guest]

Hi, Janet.

By now you may have already decided what you're going to do about

the SNP test. Sorry to be so slow in commenting. It's true that I

try to interpret test results when people ask me to, and I enjoy

doing it. However, sometimes I'm pretty slow at getting back to

people when the email traffic, on and off the list, gets

overwhelming, or when family and household matters require my

attention. With regard to the genetic testing, I am still getting

up to speed on understanding the meaning of all of it. I have a

pile of Amy Yasko's new DVDs that I haven't had time to watch yet,

but hope to soon. I don't know how long you would have to wait for

a GAR report from Amy, but I'm sure you would learn a lot more from

her than you would from me, not only because she is very sharp, but

also given all of her experience. So if you can find it in your

budget to order a GAR, I would encourage you to do that. If not, I

would try to interpret your results to the degree I understood what

they meant, when I was able to get to it.

Rich

> >

> > Hi Sue,

> >

> > Thank you for your help. So I am feeling a little uncomfortable

> ordering a $750.00 without talking to someone on the phone. If I

order

> off the internet, take the test and submit it, then I just wait???

Is

> their instructions with the test?? Where to send it??? Thank you

for

> your help. I know I need to do this.

> >

> > Janet