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This form of chelation is strong for everything but mercury from what

I understand from my own doc.

For mercury you probably need dmsa or dmps.

>

> Hi Group-

>

> Just thought I would post my progress with the chelation therapy.

I have now done more than 30 weekly pushes of Cal EDTA.

>

> We did a urine challenge retest right around push #25. As usual

with CalEDTA, my lead went down and Cadmium shot up. MUCH to my

surprise, my mercury was non detectable but aluminum was still high.

The rest of the metals either stayed the same or went down.

>

> Right around push #15, I started adding glutathione pushes as well

which I think has made a huge difference. I know I am not as wiped an

exhausted for two days afterward when I do the glut.

>

> I lose two days cause of no supplements with the Cal EDTA. The

remaining 5 days is a pretty heavy duty protocol. At the

encouragement of Dr Sherry , my enviro doc, I switched to RDHALA

and am doing incredible with it. It is the most effective ALA that I

have ever used.

>

> Right around push 52, I will redo a urine challenge but I also

want to do a Meta Metrix toxic whole blood and see how that compares

with the urine results.

>

> Kathy

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Hi Jill-

Trust me, no one is as suprised at my undetectable mercury levels than I am.

I researched the heck out of the CalEDTA cause I did the DMSA, did the

chlorella's, did the Tyler Mercury Detox, did the kits, did the sleniums and

herbs...ANDDD none of it worked.

So, Rich recommend Dr Serfina Corsello's book " The Ageless Woman " somewhere

around 2-3 years ago on this list. And I bought it. I respect her so much that

when she recommended CalEDTA, I called her to discuss why. She provided me with

some very compelling science as to it's effectivensss. Then I eventually ended

up reading Garry Gordon's Protocol and really liked what I saw.

http://www.gordonresearch.com/category_iv_chelation.html

(My practioner uses his protocol but in a five minute push instead of one).

So, I decided to try it and it is the second thing that I have done since I

got sick that really appears to be working. And here I am taking a urine

challenge 25 treatments later that show no detectible mercury on my urine

challenge. So, to go from skyhigh to undetectable..well, something's happening.

Is that real or not? I guesss it depends on how much some believe in the

urine challenge method of testing. Because of my long tenture with my enviro

doc, I just always believed what she says which is the true measure is RBC Toxic

Whole Blood. So, I will get that done after I have 52 treatments which will be

one year.

The thing I really like about CalEDTA is that it has an affinity for Lead and

Cadmium, and will chase those first. As those come down, then it will begin to

go after the others. Never did I expect that it would do what it's already done

to my mercury so quickly.

Kathy

This form of chelation is strong for everything but mercury from what I

understand from my own doc. For mercury you probably need dmsa or dmps.

>

> Hi Group-

>

> Just thought I would post my progress with the chelation therapy.

I have now done more than 30 weekly pushes of Cal EDTA.

>

> We did a urine challenge retest right around push #25. As usual

with CalEDTA, my lead went down and Cadmium shot up. MUCH to my

surprise, my mercury was non detectable but aluminum was still high.

The rest of the metals either stayed the same or went down.

>

> Right around push #15, I started adding glutathione pushes as well

which I think has made a huge difference. I know I am not as wiped an

exhausted for two days afterward when I do the glut.

>

> I lose two days cause of no supplements with the Cal EDTA. The

remaining 5 days is a pretty heavy duty protocol. At the

encouragement of Dr Sherry , my enviro doc, I switched to RDHALA

and am doing incredible with it. It is the most effective ALA that I

have ever used.

>

> Right around push 52, I will redo a urine challenge but I also

want to do a Meta Metrix toxic whole blood and see how that compares

with the urine results.

>

> Kathy

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Hi All,

I am new to this list and learning every day. I do feel better doing some of

the supplements/herbs talked about, but I was wondering about toxic metals. My

toxic metal load is not all that heavy. Does everyone with chronic fatigue, find

a metal problem?? I am taking 300 Glutathione a day. Is this enough to do the

job. God, sometimes I don't know where to start!

Janet

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

This form of chelation is strong for everything but mercury from what

I understand from my own doc.

For mercury you probably need dmsa or dmps.

>

> Hi Group-

>

> Just thought I would post my progress with the chelation therapy.

I have now done more than 30 weekly pushes of Cal EDTA.

>

> We did a urine challenge retest right around push #25. As usual

with CalEDTA, my lead went down and Cadmium shot up. MUCH to my

surprise, my mercury was non detectable but aluminum was still high.

The rest of the metals either stayed the same or went down.

>

> Right around push #15, I started adding glutathione pushes as well

which I think has made a huge difference. I know I am not as wiped an

exhausted for two days afterward when I do the glut.

>

> I lose two days cause of no supplements with the Cal EDTA. The

remaining 5 days is a pretty heavy duty protocol. At the

encouragement of Dr Sherry , my enviro doc, I switched to RDHALA

and am doing incredible with it. It is the most effective ALA that I

have ever used.

>

> Right around push 52, I will redo a urine challenge but I also

want to do a Meta Metrix toxic whole blood and see how that compares

with the urine results.

>

> Kathy

>

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Thats really cool and very encouraging. I hope when I'm done with this

book project, and revisions should be done by June, I can start

focussing again on some more intensive treatments. My doc does Ca-EDTA

however in about 30-60 minutes, because they put minerals in the IV. I

was wanting to try it, and knowing my sensitivities, was going to

start with a very low dose and see how I did. So I'm glad to hear this

is helping--how exactly do you feel better? TIA.

> >

> > Hi Group-

> >

> > Just thought I would post my progress with the chelation therapy.

> I have now done more than 30 weekly pushes of Cal EDTA.

> >

> > We did a urine challenge retest right around push #25. As usual

> with CalEDTA, my lead went down and Cadmium shot up. MUCH to my

> surprise, my mercury was non detectable but aluminum was still high.

> The rest of the metals either stayed the same or went down.

> >

> > Right around push #15, I started adding glutathione pushes as well

> which I think has made a huge difference. I know I am not as wiped an

> exhausted for two days afterward when I do the glut.

> >

> > I lose two days cause of no supplements with the Cal EDTA. The

> remaining 5 days is a pretty heavy duty protocol. At the

> encouragement of Dr Sherry , my enviro doc, I switched to RDHALA

> and am doing incredible with it. It is the most effective ALA that I

> have ever used.

> >

> > Right around push 52, I will redo a urine challenge but I also

> want to do a Meta Metrix toxic whole blood and see how that compares

> with the urine results.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

>

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Please have a look at these 2 articles as these should be the base of any

recovery regime before moving onto other things:

_http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf_

(http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf)

_http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm_ (http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm)

The root cause is heavy metals in my opinion.

Regards

CS

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I would direct your technical and specific questions at Rich / as they

have more knowledge in this area. I seem to have put together a regime which

works for me and I think it can clearly work for others. I will help anyway

I can - the links in the brackets if copied and pasted into the URL bar

should work - Ive just tested them?

Im going to re-post my regime so its broken down step by step.

Regards

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HI CS,

Thank you so much for the links, I need someplace to start. I clicked on all

the links you sent and none of them connect up to any articles. Can you help??

Also, I have had hair anaylsis of metals. Is this the correct test to take to

measure them???

Janet

bhammanuk@... wrote:

Please have a look at these 2 articles as these should be the base of any

recovery regime before moving onto other things:

_http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf_

(http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf)

_http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm_ (http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm)

The root cause is heavy metals in my opinion.

Regards

CS

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Hi, Janet.

I suggest that you read the consensus position paper of the DAN!

project on detoxing heavy metals. It can be found here:

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari/vaccine/heavymetals.pdf

It is very important to build up your glutathione before doing a

chelator-provoked urine test to measure your heavy metal excretion,

or to begin chelation. Otherwise, you can make yourself much

sicker, and can also move mercury into your brain.

If you haven't had your glutathione measured, I suggest getting the

red blood cell total glutathione test offered by Immunosciences Lab:

http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com

If your glutathione turns out to be low, I suggest reading the

following:

CFS and Autism

http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/20.htm

Augmenting Glutathione in CFS

http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/21.htm

Rich

>

> Please have a look at these 2 articles as these should be the base

of any

> recovery regime before moving onto other things:

>

> _http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf_

> (http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf)

>

> _http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm_ (http://www.co-

cure.org/RvK1.htm)

>

>

> The root cause is heavy metals in my opinion.

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

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Rich,

Thank you so much for the help and direction. At least I have a place to

start. Now if I can just find a doctor worth something, I can start to move.

Janet

rvankonynen <richvank@...> wrote:

Hi, Janet.

I suggest that you read the consensus position paper of the DAN!

project on detoxing heavy metals. It can be found here:

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari/vaccine/heavymetals.pdf

It is very important to build up your glutathione before doing a

chelator-provoked urine test to measure your heavy metal excretion,

or to begin chelation. Otherwise, you can make yourself much

sicker, and can also move mercury into your brain.

If you haven't had your glutathione measured, I suggest getting the

red blood cell total glutathione test offered by Immunosciences Lab:

http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com

If your glutathione turns out to be low, I suggest reading the

following:

CFS and Autism

http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/20.htm

Augmenting Glutathione in CFS

http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/21.htm

Rich

>

> Please have a look at these 2 articles as these should be the base

of any

> recovery regime before moving onto other things:

>

> _http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf_

> (http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf)

>

> _http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm_ (http://www.co-

cure.org/RvK1.htm)

>

>

> The root cause is heavy metals in my opinion.

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

>

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Hi All,

I hope this helps. I called Immunosciences Lab and asked for a referral on a

doctor. They referred to the American Academy of Environmental Medicine. I went

on that list and it does list referrals to doctors. I was able to find a doctor!

Thank God. Moving forward!

Janet

Janet s <jgstev716@...> wrote:

Rich,

Thank you so much for the help and direction. At least I have a place to

start. Now if I can just find a doctor worth something, I can start to move.

Janet

rvankonynen <richvank@...> wrote:

Hi, Janet.

I suggest that you read the consensus position paper of the DAN!

project on detoxing heavy metals. It can be found here:

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari/vaccine/heavymetals.pdf

It is very important to build up your glutathione before doing a

chelator-provoked urine test to measure your heavy metal excretion,

or to begin chelation. Otherwise, you can make yourself much

sicker, and can also move mercury into your brain.

If you haven't had your glutathione measured, I suggest getting the

red blood cell total glutathione test offered by Immunosciences Lab:

http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com

If your glutathione turns out to be low, I suggest reading the

following:

CFS and Autism

http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/20.htm

Augmenting Glutathione in CFS

http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/21.htm

Rich

>

> Please have a look at these 2 articles as these should be the base

of any

> recovery regime before moving onto other things:

>

> _http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf_

> (http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf)

>

> _http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm_ (http://www.co-

cure.org/RvK1.htm)

>

>

> The root cause is heavy metals in my opinion.

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

>

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Hi Jill-

Are you sure your doc is doing long drip CalEDTA? I thought it was usually

the MagEDTA they use for the longer ones.

My doc won't let me do ANY supplementation for 48 hours post chelation cause

it competes for the CalEDTA. The only exception are two things: Garry Gordon's

product called Essential Daily Defense and additional garlic in the form of

Kyolic. I take 3 EDD and 2 Kyolic the morning of chelation. Then I take the

same dose again as they are giving me the push. Then I also take the same dose

again late that night. And that's it.

Anyway, I get my 5 minute push..by the way....they dilute mine with saline.

The straight CalEDTA was buuurrnnnning like you would not believe. And I mean

BURN. (Gordon addresses this on his website). Anyway, I get my Cal push then

then follow it up with a 400mg Glutathione push. The glut is making a HUGE

difference.

My doc does the long drips too with the MagEDTA, particularly with his

patients with heart issues. As a matter of fact, my mineral and element boost

drips are the exact same combo except without the MagEDTA. They are saving my

life....loaded with good stuff, particularly B's & potassium...yum! Anyway,

even without the chelating substance, just the long drips with all the good

stuff in it can do everything from make me as high as a kite to as sleepy as can

be. What I am getting at is if you think you may want to try chelation, I would

suggest testing it with just the chelating substance and nothing else. Doing

the EDTA with minerals, etc...I know for me, if I did them both together and

have a reaction, I may not know which one it is. I have a tendency to

underestimate the power of vitamins, minerals and elements yet if the body has

been depleted for sometime and an IV is given, whoa baby, some serious symptoms

can develop as the poor body has been fighting and

functioning out of balance for so long. I sit next to a fellow chelator at

the clinic....they customize his drip and remove all the good stuff except for

the potassium along with saline and the MagEDTA. If they add anything else, he

can't handle it. It's throwing too much at his body and he says he feels like

he's having a heart attack. Anyway, I am being really wordy here, hopefully you

get what I am trying to say.

As far as answering if I am feeling better, the answer is yes and no. I will

say that adding the glut has made a huge difference in how I react to and

excrete the EDTA. The thing that bothers me the most of all my symptoms since I

got sick 7 years ago is the neverending, on again off again intense brain fog.

The exhaustion and all the other crap, well, it is what it is. But it's the

brain fog that gets me the most. However, my health stuff is so freaking

complex that it is hard to know what to pin it on. I just hope to hell that we

are not driving the metals further into my brain.

Kathy

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From: " jill1313 " jenbooks13@...

Date: Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:33pm(PDT)

Subject: Re: My Chelation Update

Thats really cool and very encouraging. I hope when I'm done with this book

project, and revisions should be done by June, I can start focussing again on

some more intensive treatments. My doc does Ca-EDTA however in about 30-60

minutes, because they put minerals in the IV. I was wanting to try it, and

knowing my sensitivities, was going to start with a very low dose and see how I

did. So I'm glad to hear thisis helping--how exactly do you feel better? TIA.

>> Hi Jill-

>Trust me, no one is as suprised at my undetectable mercury levels than I am. I

researched the heck out of the CalEDTA cause I did the DMSA, did the

chlorella's, did the Tyler Mercury Detox, did the kits, did the sleniums and

herbs...ANDDD none of it worked.

> So, Rich recommend Dr Serfina Corsello's book " The Ageless Woman " somewhere

around 2-3 years ago on this list. And I bought it. I respect her so much that

when she recommended CalEDTA, I called her to discuss why. She provided me with

some very compelling science as to it's effectivensss. Then I eventually ended

up reading Garry Gordon's Protocol and really liked what I saw.

> http://www.gordonresearch.com/category_iv_chelation.html

> (My practioner uses his protocol but in a five minute push instead of one).

> So, I decided to try it and it is the second thing that I have done since I

got sick that really appears to be working. And here I am taking a urine

challenge 25 treatments later that show no detectible mercury on my urine

challenge. So, to go from skyhigh to undetectable..well, something's happening.

> Is that real or not? I guesss it depends on how much some believe in the

urine challenge method of testing. Because of my long tenture with my enviro

doc, I just always believed what she says which is the true measure is RBC Toxic

Whole Blood. So, I will get that done after I have 52 treatments which will be

one year.

> The thing I really like about CalEDTA is that it has an affinity for Lead

and Cadmium, and will chase those first. As those come down, then it will begin

to go after the others. Never did I expect that it would do what it's already

done to my mercury so quickly.

> Kathy

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Hi, I'll print out this post and ask her but I'm 99% sure its the

CalEDTA with added vitamins/minerals...done for half an hour rather

than 5 minutes...but much shorter than 3 hours. I think she is

distrustful of the 5 minute one...prefers to play it safe to some

extent and not drip that fast but I could be wrong, this is inference

or vague memory from a discussion so I'll find out.

Thanx for all your other pointers. I know I once asked for b2 in my

drip and got so warm/flushed and felt weird, I told them to take it

out. I regularly get vit b5, b6, calc, mag, vitamin c, sometimes zinc,

and then a 1000 mg glutathione chaser each week. The latter does zing

me up like energizer bunny for a day.

I know I harp on hyperbaric oxygen, but it has saved me from brain

fog. There is good research out there showing how it combats

hypoperfusion in the brain. I wish there were more mild chambers

around for folks to use--ie more doctors had them.

I do not think this is pushing metals into your brain. It can only

help you to get these metals out.

> >> Hi Jill-

> >Trust me, no one is as suprised at my undetectable mercury levels

than I am. I researched the heck out of the CalEDTA cause I did the

DMSA, did the chlorella's, did the Tyler Mercury Detox, did the kits,

did the sleniums and herbs...ANDDD none of it worked.

> > So, Rich recommend Dr Serfina Corsello's book " The Ageless

Woman " somewhere around 2-3 years ago on this list. And I bought it.

I respect her so much that when she recommended CalEDTA, I called her

to discuss why. She provided me with some very compelling science as

to it's effectivensss. Then I eventually ended up reading Garry

Gordon's Protocol and really liked what I saw.

> > http://www.gordonresearch.com/category_iv_chelation.html

> > (My practioner uses his protocol but in a five minute push

instead of one).

> > So, I decided to try it and it is the second thing that I have

done since I got sick that really appears to be working. And here I

am taking a urine challenge 25 treatments later that show no

detectible mercury on my urine challenge. So, to go from skyhigh to

undetectable..well, something's happening.

> > Is that real or not? I guesss it depends on how much some

believe in the urine challenge method of testing. Because of my long

tenture with my enviro doc, I just always believed what she says which

is the true measure is RBC Toxic Whole Blood. So, I will get that

done after I have 52 treatments which will be one year.

> > The thing I really like about CalEDTA is that it has an

affinity for Lead and Cadmium, and will chase those first. As those

come down, then it will begin to go after the others. Never did I

expect that it would do what it's already done to my mercury so

quickly.

> > Kathy

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Hi other Kathy-

Yeah, I was curious about this too. It seems that CalEDTA has an affinity for

lead and cadmium. So, it's going to go after those first. And because it has

such a strong affinity for both, I guess it chases the lead first until that

decreases, then depending on how other metals react to the chelation, it will

eventually start addressing the cadmium.

That is really true for me. 5 years of RBC whole bloods didn't show much with

cadmium. One challenge with the CalEDTA and I am through the roof. That's how

much the CalEDTA pulls at the cadmium.

http://www.gordonresearch.com/articles_iv_chelation/Shelton/homotoxicology_and_c\

alcium_edta_chelation.html

About 3/4 of the way down is this:

ARSENIC peaks at the second collection and drops off by the third

CADMIUM keeps increasing as treatment progresses

LEAD Progressively Decreases with each progressive set of IVs

MERCURY Progressively Decreases with each progressive set of IVs

NICKEL remains stable through the second Round and than starts increasing

Gordon also gives another aspect of increasing levels..and that is if the

person is reabsorbing what is being pulled out of it's hiding places. That's

why I am having to really stay on top of my excretion problems to make sure that

I am getting out of my body that which the CalEDTA is pulling out.

Kathy

Hi Kathy, Can you say why cadmium goes up with EDTA? I have high cadmium as

well as mercury and other metals. Thanks, other kathy

From: " baahstun@yah

Subject: My Chelation Update

Just thought I would post my progress with the chelation therapy. I have now

done more than 30 weekly pushes of Cal EDTA.

We did a urine challenge retest right around push #25. As usual with

CalEDTA,

my lead went down and Cadmium shot up. MUCH to my surprise, my mercury was non

detectable but aluminum was still high. The rest of the metals either stayed

the same or went down.

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On 21 February 2010 21:10, <Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

In a message dated 19/02/2010 17:36:02 GMT Standard Time, alexis.atrekkie22@... writes:

ive got severe constipation recently and ive been forgetting to take my supplements. In fact ive gotten a little less sociable recently.Also my motivation for important things has taken a dive again.

>>Did you have constipation before the chelation?

 

Its important to keep moving to get the toxins out and keep the supps going in. Take care, hope things pick up soonNo i didnt but i can manage to eventually go.-- is

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