Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 This form of chelation is strong for everything but mercury from what I understand from my own doc. For mercury you probably need dmsa or dmps. > > Hi Group- > > Just thought I would post my progress with the chelation therapy. I have now done more than 30 weekly pushes of Cal EDTA. > > We did a urine challenge retest right around push #25. As usual with CalEDTA, my lead went down and Cadmium shot up. MUCH to my surprise, my mercury was non detectable but aluminum was still high. The rest of the metals either stayed the same or went down. > > Right around push #15, I started adding glutathione pushes as well which I think has made a huge difference. I know I am not as wiped an exhausted for two days afterward when I do the glut. > > I lose two days cause of no supplements with the Cal EDTA. The remaining 5 days is a pretty heavy duty protocol. At the encouragement of Dr Sherry , my enviro doc, I switched to RDHALA and am doing incredible with it. It is the most effective ALA that I have ever used. > > Right around push 52, I will redo a urine challenge but I also want to do a Meta Metrix toxic whole blood and see how that compares with the urine results. > > Kathy > > > --------------------------------- > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Hi Jill- Trust me, no one is as suprised at my undetectable mercury levels than I am. I researched the heck out of the CalEDTA cause I did the DMSA, did the chlorella's, did the Tyler Mercury Detox, did the kits, did the sleniums and herbs...ANDDD none of it worked. So, Rich recommend Dr Serfina Corsello's book " The Ageless Woman " somewhere around 2-3 years ago on this list. And I bought it. I respect her so much that when she recommended CalEDTA, I called her to discuss why. She provided me with some very compelling science as to it's effectivensss. Then I eventually ended up reading Garry Gordon's Protocol and really liked what I saw. http://www.gordonresearch.com/category_iv_chelation.html (My practioner uses his protocol but in a five minute push instead of one). So, I decided to try it and it is the second thing that I have done since I got sick that really appears to be working. And here I am taking a urine challenge 25 treatments later that show no detectible mercury on my urine challenge. So, to go from skyhigh to undetectable..well, something's happening. Is that real or not? I guesss it depends on how much some believe in the urine challenge method of testing. Because of my long tenture with my enviro doc, I just always believed what she says which is the true measure is RBC Toxic Whole Blood. So, I will get that done after I have 52 treatments which will be one year. The thing I really like about CalEDTA is that it has an affinity for Lead and Cadmium, and will chase those first. As those come down, then it will begin to go after the others. Never did I expect that it would do what it's already done to my mercury so quickly. Kathy This form of chelation is strong for everything but mercury from what I understand from my own doc. For mercury you probably need dmsa or dmps. > > Hi Group- > > Just thought I would post my progress with the chelation therapy. I have now done more than 30 weekly pushes of Cal EDTA. > > We did a urine challenge retest right around push #25. As usual with CalEDTA, my lead went down and Cadmium shot up. MUCH to my surprise, my mercury was non detectable but aluminum was still high. The rest of the metals either stayed the same or went down. > > Right around push #15, I started adding glutathione pushes as well which I think has made a huge difference. I know I am not as wiped an exhausted for two days afterward when I do the glut. > > I lose two days cause of no supplements with the Cal EDTA. The remaining 5 days is a pretty heavy duty protocol. At the encouragement of Dr Sherry , my enviro doc, I switched to RDHALA and am doing incredible with it. It is the most effective ALA that I have ever used. > > Right around push 52, I will redo a urine challenge but I also want to do a Meta Metrix toxic whole blood and see how that compares with the urine results. > > Kathy > --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Hi All, I am new to this list and learning every day. I do feel better doing some of the supplements/herbs talked about, but I was wondering about toxic metals. My toxic metal load is not all that heavy. Does everyone with chronic fatigue, find a metal problem?? I am taking 300 Glutathione a day. Is this enough to do the job. God, sometimes I don't know where to start! Janet jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote: This form of chelation is strong for everything but mercury from what I understand from my own doc. For mercury you probably need dmsa or dmps. > > Hi Group- > > Just thought I would post my progress with the chelation therapy. I have now done more than 30 weekly pushes of Cal EDTA. > > We did a urine challenge retest right around push #25. As usual with CalEDTA, my lead went down and Cadmium shot up. MUCH to my surprise, my mercury was non detectable but aluminum was still high. The rest of the metals either stayed the same or went down. > > Right around push #15, I started adding glutathione pushes as well which I think has made a huge difference. I know I am not as wiped an exhausted for two days afterward when I do the glut. > > I lose two days cause of no supplements with the Cal EDTA. The remaining 5 days is a pretty heavy duty protocol. At the encouragement of Dr Sherry , my enviro doc, I switched to RDHALA and am doing incredible with it. It is the most effective ALA that I have ever used. > > Right around push 52, I will redo a urine challenge but I also want to do a Meta Metrix toxic whole blood and see how that compares with the urine results. > > Kathy > > > --------------------------------- > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Thats really cool and very encouraging. I hope when I'm done with this book project, and revisions should be done by June, I can start focussing again on some more intensive treatments. My doc does Ca-EDTA however in about 30-60 minutes, because they put minerals in the IV. I was wanting to try it, and knowing my sensitivities, was going to start with a very low dose and see how I did. So I'm glad to hear this is helping--how exactly do you feel better? TIA. > > > > Hi Group- > > > > Just thought I would post my progress with the chelation therapy. > I have now done more than 30 weekly pushes of Cal EDTA. > > > > We did a urine challenge retest right around push #25. As usual > with CalEDTA, my lead went down and Cadmium shot up. MUCH to my > surprise, my mercury was non detectable but aluminum was still high. > The rest of the metals either stayed the same or went down. > > > > Right around push #15, I started adding glutathione pushes as well > which I think has made a huge difference. I know I am not as wiped an > exhausted for two days afterward when I do the glut. > > > > I lose two days cause of no supplements with the Cal EDTA. The > remaining 5 days is a pretty heavy duty protocol. At the > encouragement of Dr Sherry , my enviro doc, I switched to RDHALA > and am doing incredible with it. It is the most effective ALA that I > have ever used. > > > > Right around push 52, I will redo a urine challenge but I also > want to do a Meta Metrix toxic whole blood and see how that compares > with the urine results. > > > > Kathy > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Please have a look at these 2 articles as these should be the base of any recovery regime before moving onto other things: _http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf_ (http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf) _http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm_ (http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm) The root cause is heavy metals in my opinion. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 I would direct your technical and specific questions at Rich / as they have more knowledge in this area. I seem to have put together a regime which works for me and I think it can clearly work for others. I will help anyway I can - the links in the brackets if copied and pasted into the URL bar should work - Ive just tested them? Im going to re-post my regime so its broken down step by step. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 HI CS, Thank you so much for the links, I need someplace to start. I clicked on all the links you sent and none of them connect up to any articles. Can you help?? Also, I have had hair anaylsis of metals. Is this the correct test to take to measure them??? Janet bhammanuk@... wrote: Please have a look at these 2 articles as these should be the base of any recovery regime before moving onto other things: _http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf_ (http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf) _http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm_ (http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm) The root cause is heavy metals in my opinion. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Hi, Janet. I suggest that you read the consensus position paper of the DAN! project on detoxing heavy metals. It can be found here: http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari/vaccine/heavymetals.pdf It is very important to build up your glutathione before doing a chelator-provoked urine test to measure your heavy metal excretion, or to begin chelation. Otherwise, you can make yourself much sicker, and can also move mercury into your brain. If you haven't had your glutathione measured, I suggest getting the red blood cell total glutathione test offered by Immunosciences Lab: http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com If your glutathione turns out to be low, I suggest reading the following: CFS and Autism http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/20.htm Augmenting Glutathione in CFS http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/21.htm Rich > > Please have a look at these 2 articles as these should be the base of any > recovery regime before moving onto other things: > > _http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf_ > (http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf) > > _http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm_ (http://www.co- cure.org/RvK1.htm) > > > The root cause is heavy metals in my opinion. > > Regards > CS > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Rich, Thank you so much for the help and direction. At least I have a place to start. Now if I can just find a doctor worth something, I can start to move. Janet rvankonynen <richvank@...> wrote: Hi, Janet. I suggest that you read the consensus position paper of the DAN! project on detoxing heavy metals. It can be found here: http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari/vaccine/heavymetals.pdf It is very important to build up your glutathione before doing a chelator-provoked urine test to measure your heavy metal excretion, or to begin chelation. Otherwise, you can make yourself much sicker, and can also move mercury into your brain. If you haven't had your glutathione measured, I suggest getting the red blood cell total glutathione test offered by Immunosciences Lab: http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com If your glutathione turns out to be low, I suggest reading the following: CFS and Autism http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/20.htm Augmenting Glutathione in CFS http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/21.htm Rich > > Please have a look at these 2 articles as these should be the base of any > recovery regime before moving onto other things: > > _http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf_ > (http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf) > > _http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm_ (http://www.co- cure.org/RvK1.htm) > > > The root cause is heavy metals in my opinion. > > Regards > CS > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Hi All, I hope this helps. I called Immunosciences Lab and asked for a referral on a doctor. They referred to the American Academy of Environmental Medicine. I went on that list and it does list referrals to doctors. I was able to find a doctor! Thank God. Moving forward! Janet Janet s <jgstev716@...> wrote: Rich, Thank you so much for the help and direction. At least I have a place to start. Now if I can just find a doctor worth something, I can start to move. Janet rvankonynen <richvank@...> wrote: Hi, Janet. I suggest that you read the consensus position paper of the DAN! project on detoxing heavy metals. It can be found here: http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari/vaccine/heavymetals.pdf It is very important to build up your glutathione before doing a chelator-provoked urine test to measure your heavy metal excretion, or to begin chelation. Otherwise, you can make yourself much sicker, and can also move mercury into your brain. If you haven't had your glutathione measured, I suggest getting the red blood cell total glutathione test offered by Immunosciences Lab: http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com If your glutathione turns out to be low, I suggest reading the following: CFS and Autism http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/20.htm Augmenting Glutathione in CFS http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/21.htm Rich > > Please have a look at these 2 articles as these should be the base of any > recovery regime before moving onto other things: > > _http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf_ > (http://www.cfsresearch.org/cfs/research/treatment/15.pdf) > > _http://www.co-cure.org/RvK1.htm_ (http://www.co- cure.org/RvK1.htm) > > > The root cause is heavy metals in my opinion. > > Regards > CS > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Hi Jill- Are you sure your doc is doing long drip CalEDTA? I thought it was usually the MagEDTA they use for the longer ones. My doc won't let me do ANY supplementation for 48 hours post chelation cause it competes for the CalEDTA. The only exception are two things: Garry Gordon's product called Essential Daily Defense and additional garlic in the form of Kyolic. I take 3 EDD and 2 Kyolic the morning of chelation. Then I take the same dose again as they are giving me the push. Then I also take the same dose again late that night. And that's it. Anyway, I get my 5 minute push..by the way....they dilute mine with saline. The straight CalEDTA was buuurrnnnning like you would not believe. And I mean BURN. (Gordon addresses this on his website). Anyway, I get my Cal push then then follow it up with a 400mg Glutathione push. The glut is making a HUGE difference. My doc does the long drips too with the MagEDTA, particularly with his patients with heart issues. As a matter of fact, my mineral and element boost drips are the exact same combo except without the MagEDTA. They are saving my life....loaded with good stuff, particularly B's & potassium...yum! Anyway, even without the chelating substance, just the long drips with all the good stuff in it can do everything from make me as high as a kite to as sleepy as can be. What I am getting at is if you think you may want to try chelation, I would suggest testing it with just the chelating substance and nothing else. Doing the EDTA with minerals, etc...I know for me, if I did them both together and have a reaction, I may not know which one it is. I have a tendency to underestimate the power of vitamins, minerals and elements yet if the body has been depleted for sometime and an IV is given, whoa baby, some serious symptoms can develop as the poor body has been fighting and functioning out of balance for so long. I sit next to a fellow chelator at the clinic....they customize his drip and remove all the good stuff except for the potassium along with saline and the MagEDTA. If they add anything else, he can't handle it. It's throwing too much at his body and he says he feels like he's having a heart attack. Anyway, I am being really wordy here, hopefully you get what I am trying to say. As far as answering if I am feeling better, the answer is yes and no. I will say that adding the glut has made a huge difference in how I react to and excrete the EDTA. The thing that bothers me the most of all my symptoms since I got sick 7 years ago is the neverending, on again off again intense brain fog. The exhaustion and all the other crap, well, it is what it is. But it's the brain fog that gets me the most. However, my health stuff is so freaking complex that it is hard to know what to pin it on. I just hope to hell that we are not driving the metals further into my brain. Kathy Message 5 From: " jill1313 " jenbooks13@... Date: Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:33pm(PDT) Subject: Re: My Chelation Update Thats really cool and very encouraging. I hope when I'm done with this book project, and revisions should be done by June, I can start focussing again on some more intensive treatments. My doc does Ca-EDTA however in about 30-60 minutes, because they put minerals in the IV. I was wanting to try it, and knowing my sensitivities, was going to start with a very low dose and see how I did. So I'm glad to hear thisis helping--how exactly do you feel better? TIA. >> Hi Jill- >Trust me, no one is as suprised at my undetectable mercury levels than I am. I researched the heck out of the CalEDTA cause I did the DMSA, did the chlorella's, did the Tyler Mercury Detox, did the kits, did the sleniums and herbs...ANDDD none of it worked. > So, Rich recommend Dr Serfina Corsello's book " The Ageless Woman " somewhere around 2-3 years ago on this list. And I bought it. I respect her so much that when she recommended CalEDTA, I called her to discuss why. She provided me with some very compelling science as to it's effectivensss. Then I eventually ended up reading Garry Gordon's Protocol and really liked what I saw. > http://www.gordonresearch.com/category_iv_chelation.html > (My practioner uses his protocol but in a five minute push instead of one). > So, I decided to try it and it is the second thing that I have done since I got sick that really appears to be working. And here I am taking a urine challenge 25 treatments later that show no detectible mercury on my urine challenge. So, to go from skyhigh to undetectable..well, something's happening. > Is that real or not? I guesss it depends on how much some believe in the urine challenge method of testing. Because of my long tenture with my enviro doc, I just always believed what she says which is the true measure is RBC Toxic Whole Blood. So, I will get that done after I have 52 treatments which will be one year. > The thing I really like about CalEDTA is that it has an affinity for Lead and Cadmium, and will chase those first. As those come down, then it will begin to go after the others. Never did I expect that it would do what it's already done to my mercury so quickly. > Kathy --------------------------------- Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Hi, I'll print out this post and ask her but I'm 99% sure its the CalEDTA with added vitamins/minerals...done for half an hour rather than 5 minutes...but much shorter than 3 hours. I think she is distrustful of the 5 minute one...prefers to play it safe to some extent and not drip that fast but I could be wrong, this is inference or vague memory from a discussion so I'll find out. Thanx for all your other pointers. I know I once asked for b2 in my drip and got so warm/flushed and felt weird, I told them to take it out. I regularly get vit b5, b6, calc, mag, vitamin c, sometimes zinc, and then a 1000 mg glutathione chaser each week. The latter does zing me up like energizer bunny for a day. I know I harp on hyperbaric oxygen, but it has saved me from brain fog. There is good research out there showing how it combats hypoperfusion in the brain. I wish there were more mild chambers around for folks to use--ie more doctors had them. I do not think this is pushing metals into your brain. It can only help you to get these metals out. > >> Hi Jill- > >Trust me, no one is as suprised at my undetectable mercury levels than I am. I researched the heck out of the CalEDTA cause I did the DMSA, did the chlorella's, did the Tyler Mercury Detox, did the kits, did the sleniums and herbs...ANDDD none of it worked. > > So, Rich recommend Dr Serfina Corsello's book " The Ageless Woman " somewhere around 2-3 years ago on this list. And I bought it. I respect her so much that when she recommended CalEDTA, I called her to discuss why. She provided me with some very compelling science as to it's effectivensss. Then I eventually ended up reading Garry Gordon's Protocol and really liked what I saw. > > http://www.gordonresearch.com/category_iv_chelation.html > > (My practioner uses his protocol but in a five minute push instead of one). > > So, I decided to try it and it is the second thing that I have done since I got sick that really appears to be working. And here I am taking a urine challenge 25 treatments later that show no detectible mercury on my urine challenge. So, to go from skyhigh to undetectable..well, something's happening. > > Is that real or not? I guesss it depends on how much some believe in the urine challenge method of testing. Because of my long tenture with my enviro doc, I just always believed what she says which is the true measure is RBC Toxic Whole Blood. So, I will get that done after I have 52 treatments which will be one year. > > The thing I really like about CalEDTA is that it has an affinity for Lead and Cadmium, and will chase those first. As those come down, then it will begin to go after the others. Never did I expect that it would do what it's already done to my mercury so quickly. > > Kathy > > > > --------------------------------- > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Hi other Kathy- Yeah, I was curious about this too. It seems that CalEDTA has an affinity for lead and cadmium. So, it's going to go after those first. And because it has such a strong affinity for both, I guess it chases the lead first until that decreases, then depending on how other metals react to the chelation, it will eventually start addressing the cadmium. That is really true for me. 5 years of RBC whole bloods didn't show much with cadmium. One challenge with the CalEDTA and I am through the roof. That's how much the CalEDTA pulls at the cadmium. http://www.gordonresearch.com/articles_iv_chelation/Shelton/homotoxicology_and_c\ alcium_edta_chelation.html About 3/4 of the way down is this: ARSENIC peaks at the second collection and drops off by the third CADMIUM keeps increasing as treatment progresses LEAD Progressively Decreases with each progressive set of IVs MERCURY Progressively Decreases with each progressive set of IVs NICKEL remains stable through the second Round and than starts increasing Gordon also gives another aspect of increasing levels..and that is if the person is reabsorbing what is being pulled out of it's hiding places. That's why I am having to really stay on top of my excretion problems to make sure that I am getting out of my body that which the CalEDTA is pulling out. Kathy Hi Kathy, Can you say why cadmium goes up with EDTA? I have high cadmium as well as mercury and other metals. Thanks, other kathy From: " baahstun@yah Subject: My Chelation Update Just thought I would post my progress with the chelation therapy. I have now done more than 30 weekly pushes of Cal EDTA. We did a urine challenge retest right around push #25. As usual with CalEDTA, my lead went down and Cadmium shot up. MUCH to my surprise, my mercury was non detectable but aluminum was still high. The rest of the metals either stayed the same or went down. [Non-text portions of this message have --------------------------------- goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 On 21 February 2010 21:10, <Mum231ASD@...> wrote: In a message dated 19/02/2010 17:36:02 GMT Standard Time, alexis.atrekkie22@... writes: ive got severe constipation recently and ive been forgetting to take my supplements. In fact ive gotten a little less sociable recently.Also my motivation for important things has taken a dive again. >>Did you have constipation before the chelation? Its important to keep moving to get the toxins out and keep the supps going in. Take care, hope things pick up soonNo i didnt but i can manage to eventually go.-- is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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