Re: Is everyone on this list raising there Glutathione levels?

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have a lot of respect for alot of people on the list and their

determination to beat this thing.

I do believe raising your Glutahione levels is the most important aspect of

recovery due to my own personal experiences - is everyone here doing this ?

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

CS

I'm in full remission now using vitmin c ( asorbic acid ) 15 grams

per day( bowel tolerance ) recuperat-ion 2 saks per day (alfred blasi

protocol) & 2000 units + of vitamin d.

best wishes kath .c.

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> Hi

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> I have a lot of respect for alot of people on the list and their

> determination to beat this thing.

> I do believe raising your Glutahione levels is the most important

aspect of

> recovery due to my own personal experiences - is everyone here doing

this ?

>

>

> Regards

> CS

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[Guest guest]

Hi Im using reduced glutathione 250 mg from nowfoods.

Whey hasnt been such a good alternative for me due to possible gut

issues. Neither individualized amino acids.

Havent tried nasal spray or any other forms of administration.

[Guest guest]

Glad to hear you are doing SO well, that is great. Which did you start

first? How long did it take to get improvements?

I thought that too much Vit C further depleted glutathione?

Thanks in advance,

BW,

Sheila

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> > Hi

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> > I have a lot of respect for alot of people on the list and their

> > determination to beat this thing.

> > I do believe raising your Glutahione levels is the most important

> aspect of

> > recovery due to my own personal experiences - is everyone here doing

> this ?

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> >

> > Regards

> > CS

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[Guest guest]

Hi, all.

Here's a reprint of a message I posted to Kath on the Blasi list.

Maybe she will reprint her response to me here, also.

Hi, Kath.

I'm very interested (and happy!) to hear that Recup, vitamin D and

high-dose vitamin C has worked for you. Do you take vitamin C up to

bowel tolerance?

I don't know whether you have heard of Dr. Cathcart of Los

Altos, California, or not. He is a senior gentleman at this point,

still practicing medicine, but when he was a teenager, he got

mononucleosis and never got over it. I guess today it would have

been

called CFS. At any rate, he had heard about the work of Linus

ing

on vitamin C, and he decided to try taking it himself, up to bowel

tolerance. This put him into remission, and he has continued to do

this all these years. He has become a champion of vitamin C and

promotes it for a variety of maladies.

As you may know, I am a proponent of glutathione depletion as being a

major aspect of the pathogenesis of CFS, and have been working on

ways

to get glutathione back up to normal, most recently employing the

approaches used in autism by the DAN! project and by Dr. Amy Yasko.

As you probably also know, in a normal human body, vitamin C is

recycled by glutathione so that it can be used over and over.

Here's what I think is going on in Bob Cathcart's body, and perhaps

in

yours now, as well: I suspect that there is a problem in using

glutathione to reduce reactive oxygen species (oxidizing free

radicals)

or to conjugate toxins, perhaps because of genetic variations in the

glutathione peroxidase or glutathione transferase enzymes, or to

recycle vitamin C, because of a genetic variation in the enzyme that

uses glutathione to to that, or in the glutathione reductase enzyme

that is used to regenerate glutathione using carbohydrate metabolism.

Dr. McLaren of the Biolab Medical Unit in London has

found

mutated glutathione peroxidase in some patients who have low activity

of this enzyme, but are not selenium-deficient, which is the usual

cause for low activity of this enzyme. Genetic variation testing by

Genovations and Sciona is showing genetic variations in glutathione

transferase enzymes in quite a few PWCs. So there is evidence that

these things occur.

I think that Bob Cathcart and perhaps yourself have compensated for

this genetic variation by boosting your vitamin C intake. In this

case, the vitamin C acts as a once-through antioxidant, and is not

recycled, but since you take a lot of it, it doesn't become depleted.

At high enough concentration, it may actually be able to regenerate

glutathione, rather than the other way around, as occurs normally.

It would be really great to know what these enzymes look like in your

body and Bob's, but I don't think there is a commercial test for the

peroxidase yet.

As I say, I'm glad that this works for you, but there must have been

a

time in your life when you functioned O.K. without high-dose vitamin

C, as was the case for Bob, when he was young. It might get to be a

drag to have to keep taking that much of it over the long term, but

if

what is going on could be understood, it might be possible to return

things to the way they were working initially. I suspect that both

of

you are caught in a vicious circle mechanism biochemically. But in

the meantime, it's great that you are in remission, and I think it

gives some clues about what's going on.

It might be fun for you and Bob Cathcart to compare notes sometime.

I

don't think he uses emails, but his phone number is on his website,

and he's very happy to talk about vitamin C. His website is

http://www.orthomed.com.

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> CS

> I'm in full remission now using vitmin c ( asorbic acid ) 15 grams

> per day( bowel tolerance ) recuperat-ion 2 saks per day (alfred

blasi

> protocol) & 2000 units + of vitamin d.

>

> best wishes kath .c.

[Guest guest]

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> Hi

>

> I have a lot of respect for alot of people on the list and their

> determination to beat this thing.

> I do believe raising your Glutahione levels is the most important

aspect of

> recovery due to my own personal experiences - is everyone here

doing this ?

>

>

*** Hi CS - I am certainly trying to raise my Glutathione levels.

Whether or not that is happening I have no way of knowing. At present

I am taking four packages of Immunocal each day, a Curcumin capsule,

Vitamin C, and eating a veggie known for raising Glutathione (ie

broccoli, avocadoes, asparagus, etc.). There could be more that I am

doing, however, I can't think of anything else at this moment.

Take care.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

Kath C,

How long have you been sick? It's rare to hear about full remission.

Congratulations!

Blessings-

L

On Apr 11, 2006, at 3:51 AM, kathcornley wrote:

> CS

> I'm in full remission now using vitmin c ( asorbic acid ) 15 grams

> per day( bowel tolerance ) recuperat-ion  2 saks per day (alfred blasi

> protocol) & 2000 units + of vitamin d. 

>

> best wishes kath .c.

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi

> > 

> > I have a lot of respect for alot of people on the list and their 

> > determination to beat this thing.

> > I do believe raising your Glutahione levels is the most important

> aspect of 

> > recovery due to my own personal experiences - is everyone here doing

> this  ?

> > 

> >

> > Regards

> > CS

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi -- I believe Ken, the manager/list owner of this group considers

himself in

remission, but hopefully he'll see this and fill you in.

Congratulations Kath -- that's a LOT of vitamin C. I take more than 250 mgs and

get all

tingly and numbish in my lower legs. C lowers several minerals, and also

requires

manganese (not magnesium) to work, so perhaps I'm deficient in some of those...

I agree with CS -- raising glutathione helps...

best regards,

d.

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> > > Hi

> > > 

> > > I have a lot of respect for alot of people on the list and their 

> > > determination to beat this thing.

> > > I do believe raising your Glutahione levels is the most important

> > aspect of 

> > > recovery due to my own personal experiences - is everyone here doing

> > this  ?

> > > 

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > CS

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