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My IGG Results showed nothing except:

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> > > >

> > > > **31kDa ++ THIS IS HIGHLY INFLAMMATORY, AUTOIMMUNE AND AGGRESSIVE

PROTEIN THAT IS A FINGERPRINT PROTEIN FOR LYME. THIS IS POSITIVE.

> > > > **39kDa IND Means the tech sees some possible antibodies against

this specific Lyme protein but not certain enough to call clear positive It

is not negative.

> > > > **41kDa+++ Most Sensitive but other organisms make. Flagella.

This is issue addressed in past and recent posts.

The immune system is beaten 27 ways by Lyme once in the body. A 31 positive

is positive.

Schaller, MD

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Sue,

I think this is wise thinking, because those of us who do have the blocked

methylation cycles are likely the ones that would get nothing but sicker from

any lyme or other treatment without being able to detox, in other words, from

bad to worse, adding more to the burden. I hope this works for you!

Marcia

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Hi Dr. Schaller,

Myself and family have positive 31 Lyme. A Lyme specialist in WA told me 80%

of the population would test positive and have Lyme.

I am not as concerned as I was when I was first wasdiagnosed. I am more

concerned with the whole picture of CFS/Autism link.

I have never taken ABX for Lyme and I have had it for 18 years.

At this point I am working on opening my Methylation pathways through the

Yasko protocol and trying to and include Lyme and part of the big picture later

on.

My body needs to detox first(looking at genetic mutations first), then I

will go from there. There is a chance it may do a lot on it's own once I can

balance out.

Thanks for everything.

Sue T

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Sue,

Do your other family members have symptoms? How sick are you?

Sorry I have not followed your case here. Are you afraid that

antibiotics will do you more harm than good?

I tend to think that a huge percentage of the world population is

infected with some strain of borrelia. This is causing epidemic

levels of MS and Alzheimers, as well as undiagosed so-called Lyme

disease.

Of course the concern is how the heck do we effectively treat this

horrible world crisis in health? I don't think massive doses of

antibiotics is the longterm solution, and I gather you don't either.

a Carnes

> My IGG Results showed nothing except:

>

> __________________

> > > > >

> > > > > **31kDa ++ THIS IS HIGHLY INFLAMMATORY, AUTOIMMUNE AND

AGGRESSIVE

> PROTEIN THAT IS A FINGERPRINT PROTEIN FOR LYME. THIS IS POSITIVE.

>

> > > > > **39kDa IND Means the tech sees some possible antibodies

against

> this specific Lyme protein but not certain enough to call clear

positive It

> is not negative.

>

> > > > > **41kDa+++ Most Sensitive but other organisms make.

Flagella.

>

> This is issue addressed in past and recent posts.

>

> The immune system is beaten 27 ways by Lyme once in the body. A 31

positive

> is positive.

>

> Schaller, MD

> www.personalconsult.com

>

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Barb,

Hi there!

I didn't know that breaking up immune complexes was one of the alleged effects

of these enzymes, but this is giving me more food for thought.

Every time I try to take nattokinase I get a very bad headache (I get a very bad

headache whenever something happens, good or bad) Now I thought the nattokinase

was breaking down fibrin thus exposing more bugs to my immune system hence the

headache, but I am wondering whether this " busting " of immune complexes might be

playing a part as well.

Any thoughts welcome

Nelly

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Sue:

You may want to look into some of the supplements who alledge

the ability to break appart immune complexes ( such as WobenzymeN).

I know a few Lyme patients who couldn't take abx who improved greatly

on enzyme therapy.

The theory is- you break appart the immune complexes (which can

cause problems in their own right if they accumulate in organs

complicating inflammatory conditions) then

the immune system can operate more efficiently.

Klinghart is pretty darned pricey- if you know how to search

efficiently, you could do some research on your own and save some

bucks.

Barb

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Nelly!

Well yes. I took alot of Wobenzyme - with and without abx (it

interacts with some substances). I never had a C1q test - but since

I had been dx with lupus - I figured I had 'em. The Germans make

some pretty good enzymatic therapies-

Muco Pharma - they make Wobenzym & Phlogenzym (phlogenzym is

precription I beleive)

There is some reseach out there- but you have to dig for it.

(I don't speak German).

Wien Med Wochenschr. 1992;142(22):493-7.

[Circulating immune complexes and complement fragment iC3b in chronic

polyarthritis during 12 months therapy with oral enzymes in

comparison with oral gold]

[Article in German]

Kullich W, Schwann H.

Ludwig-Boltzmann-Institut fur Rehabilitation interner Erkrankungen,

Saalfelden.

>

> Barb,

>

> Hi there!

>

> I didn't know that breaking up immune complexes was one of the

alleged effects of these enzymes, but this is giving me more food for

thought.

>

> Every time I try to take nattokinase I get a very bad headache (I

get a very bad headache whenever something happens, good or bad) Now

I thought the nattokinase was breaking down fibrin thus exposing more

bugs to my immune system hence the headache, but I am wondering

whether this " busting " of immune complexes might be playing a part as

well.

>

> Any thoughts welcome

>

> Nelly

> Re: BAND 31 IS POSITIVE LYME

>

>

> Sue:

> You may want to look into some of the supplements who

alledge

> the ability to break appart immune complexes ( such as

WobenzymeN).

> I know a few Lyme patients who couldn't take abx who improved

greatly

> on enzyme therapy.

>

> The theory is- you break appart the immune complexes (which

can

> cause problems in their own right if they accumulate in organs

> complicating inflammatory conditions) then

> the immune system can operate more efficiently.

>

> Klinghart is pretty darned pricey- if you know how to search

> efficiently, you could do some research on your own and save some

> bucks.

>

> Barb

>

>

>

>

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There is a woman in my doc's office who got covered with ticks on a

trip to Martha's Vineyard in 1993. Though she thought she got them all

off, she soon after fell sick. She had all the typical lyme symptoms

including partial paralysis, off and on over the years.

She is now well. She didn't realize until recently, with a positive

Igenex test, that it was ever lyme. In fact, what really crashed her

was vaccinations at college (but that's typical of lyme--your system

is so under stress from it than any other burden including heavy

metals utterly crashes it).

She is well by going to a doctor that put her on a strict ayurvedic

diet, tons of supplements, oral chelation (where she tasted metal,

broke out in rashes etc), colonics (where sometimes it came out

yellow, sometimes black tar stuff, sometimes tons of parasites), and

finally IV chelation. After the first IV chelation she had the chills,

shivers, diarrhea, and slept for 17 hours straight.

It has been two years. She is completely symptom free. SHe is still on

a strict ayurvedic diet. There are almost no grains, and there is no

dairy I believe.

> > My IGG Results showed nothing except:

> >

> > __________________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > **31kDa ++ THIS IS HIGHLY INFLAMMATORY, AUTOIMMUNE AND

> AGGRESSIVE

> > PROTEIN THAT IS A FINGERPRINT PROTEIN FOR LYME. THIS IS POSITIVE.

> >

> > > > > > **39kDa IND Means the tech sees some possible antibodies

> against

> > this specific Lyme protein but not certain enough to call clear

> positive It

> > is not negative.

> >

> > > > > > **41kDa+++ Most Sensitive but other organisms make.

> Flagella.

> >

> > This is issue addressed in past and recent posts.

> >

> > The immune system is beaten 27 ways by Lyme once in the body. A 31

> positive

> > is positive.

> >

> > Schaller, MD

> > www.personalconsult.com

> >

>

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Jill:

The something still isn't right. If you are on such a strict diet,

then the body's operating tolerance is almost nil.

I lived that way for over 20 years.

To me- thatg's not symptom free.

Barb

Jill wrote in part:

It has been two years. She is completely symptom free. SHe is still on

a strict ayurvedic diet. There are almost no grains, and there is no

dairy I believe

> > > My IGG Results showed nothing except:

> > >

> > > __________________

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > **31kDa ++ THIS IS HIGHLY INFLAMMATORY, AUTOIMMUNE

AND

> > AGGRESSIVE

> > > PROTEIN THAT IS A FINGERPRINT PROTEIN FOR LYME. THIS IS

POSITIVE.

> > >

> > > > > > > **39kDa IND Means the tech sees some possible

antibodies

> > against

> > > this specific Lyme protein but not certain enough to call clear

> > positive It

> > > is not negative.

> > >

> > > > > > > **41kDa+++ Most Sensitive but other organisms make.

> > Flagella.

> > >

> > > This is issue addressed in past and recent posts.

> > >

> > > The immune system is beaten 27 ways by Lyme once in the body. A

31

> > positive

> > > is positive.

> > >

> > > Schaller, MD

> > > www.personalconsult.com

> > >

> >

>

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Barb, if you can't take antibiotics, which I can't, it's worth it.

She's completely symptom free--not one single symptom left--flying to

Puerto Rico and other places, commissioned to write four different

plays, back in the swing of life. If changing the terrain of her body

and keeping it that clean, is the way to keep the lyme in check (I'm

thinking either, since that clean, her body can handle the lyme and/or

that changing the terrain keeps the lyme quiescent and dormant) then

hey, that would work for me too. If I could be completely well and

live the life I used to, while watching my diet, who cares. I don't

need beer, bread and cheese. IF that would work. However, I'm not sure

I love the ayurvedic diet but I'm thinking of going to him. He has a

few other lyme patients who apparently are well by his approach, with

no antibiotics.

We're dealing with a difficult situation here. You responded extremely

well to your regimen, but I can't tolerate even that regimen. I'm

still messed up from 2 weeks of amoxicillin in November. She, like me,

can't handle antibiotics. After 5 days of cipro for a staph infection

it took her 4 months to recover. She sounds like the patients Dr

Schaller is talking about. You have to do what you have to do to

regain your quality of life, if you're faced with an organism (or

organisms) this virulent and stealthy.

> > > > My IGG Results showed nothing except:

> > > >

> > > > __________________

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > **31kDa ++ THIS IS HIGHLY INFLAMMATORY, AUTOIMMUNE

> AND

> > > AGGRESSIVE

> > > > PROTEIN THAT IS A FINGERPRINT PROTEIN FOR LYME. THIS IS

> POSITIVE.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > **39kDa IND Means the tech sees some possible

> antibodies

> > > against

> > > > this specific Lyme protein but not certain enough to call clear

> > > positive It

> > > > is not negative.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > **41kDa+++ Most Sensitive but other organisms make.

> > > Flagella.

> > > >

> > > > This is issue addressed in past and recent posts.

> > > >

> > > > The immune system is beaten 27 ways by Lyme once in the body. A

> 31

> > > positive

> > > > is positive.

> > > >

> > > > Schaller, MD

> > > > www.personalconsult.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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sorry to jump in here mid stream- but wo is the dr. that put her on the strict

ayurvedic

> > diet, tons of supplements, oral chelation (where she tasted metal,

> > broke out in rashes etc), colonics (where sometimes it came out

> > yellow, sometimes black tar stuff, sometimes tons of parasites), "

Thanks

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Barb, if you can't take antibiotics, which I can't, it's worth it.

She's completely symptom free--not one single symptom left--flying to

Puerto Rico and other places, commissioned to write four different

plays, back in the swing of life. If changing the terrain of her body

and keeping it that clean, is the way to keep the lyme in check (I'm

thinking either, since that clean, her body can handle the lyme and/or

that changing the terrain keeps the lyme quiescent and dormant) then

hey, that would work for me too. If I could be completely well and

live the life I used to, while watching my diet, who cares. I don't

need beer, bread and cheese. IF that would work. However, I'm not sure

I love the ayurvedic diet but I'm thinking of going to him. He has a

few other lyme patients who apparently are well by his approach, with

no antibiotics.

We're dealing with a difficult situation here. You responded extremely

well to your regimen, but I can't tolerate even that regimen. I'm

still messed up from 2 weeks of amoxicillin in November. She, like me,

can't handle antibiotics. After 5 days of cipro for a staph infection

it took her 4 months to recover. She sounds like the patients Dr

Schaller is talking about. You have to do what you have to do to

regain your quality of life, if you're faced with an organism (or

organisms) this virulent and stealthy.

> > > > My IGG Results showed nothing except:

> > > >

> > > > __________________

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > **31kDa ++ THIS IS HIGHLY INFLAMMATORY, AUTOIMMUNE

> AND

> > > AGGRESSIVE

> > > > PROTEIN THAT IS A FINGERPRINT PROTEIN FOR LYME. THIS IS

> POSITIVE.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > **39kDa IND Means the tech sees some possible

> antibodies

> > > against

> > > > this specific Lyme protein but not certain enough to call clear

> > > positive It

> > > > is not negative.

> > > >

> > > > > > > > **41kDa+++ Most Sensitive but other organisms make.

> > > Flagella.

> > > >

> > > > This is issue addressed in past and recent posts.

> > > >

> > > > The immune system is beaten 27 ways by Lyme once in the body. A

> 31

> > > positive

> > > > is positive.

> > > >

> > > > Schaller, MD

> > > > www.personalconsult.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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Barb, I am concerned that Lyme disease may be affecting my heart.

How would a cardiologist diagnose a heart problem as being caused by

Lyme infection?

Thanks for any comments.

Vickie

>

> >

> > Barb,

> >

> > Hi there!

> >

> > I didn't know that breaking up immune complexes was one of the

> alleged effects of these enzymes, but this is giving me more food

for

> thought.

> >

> > Every time I try to take nattokinase I get a very bad headache (I

> get a very bad headache whenever something happens, good or bad)

Now

> I thought the nattokinase was breaking down fibrin thus exposing

more

> bugs to my immune system hence the headache, but I am wondering

> whether this " busting " of immune complexes might be playing a part

as

> well.

> >

> > Any thoughts welcome

> >

> > Nelly

> > Re: BAND 31 IS POSITIVE LYME

> >

> >

> > Sue:

> > You may want to look into some of the supplements who

> alledge

> > the ability to break appart immune complexes ( such as

> WobenzymeN).

> > I know a few Lyme patients who couldn't take abx who improved

> greatly

> > on enzyme therapy.

> >

> > The theory is- you break appart the immune complexes

(which

> can

> > cause problems in their own right if they accumulate in organs

> > complicating inflammatory conditions) then

> > the immune system can operate more efficiently.

> >

> > Klinghart is pretty darned pricey- if you know how to

search

> > efficiently, you could do some research on your own and save

some

> > bucks.

> >

> > Barb

> >

> >

> >

> >

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