Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 I have Osteoporsis despite medical treatment... A recent 24 hour urine showed excessive Ca++ in the Urine on two separate tests. My hair analysis shows deranged mineral transport with a lot of Ca++ and Magnesium being thrown off in the hair. My question is does anyone know what I might try to hold on to the Ca++ and Magnesium as I am becoming more Osteoporotic each year? I have tried Fosimax, Actonel, increased Ca++, Mag, Vit D, Boron, Vit C and things I have forgotten to write down. What else can I do to put the Ca++ back into the bone? Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Lee, I also have osteoporosis. Have you had your vitamin D levels checked by the vitamin D, 25-hydroxy test? It's a newer, more accurate one than the old vitamin D test. Mine were at the bottom range of normal -- not at all optimum. I consulted with a nutritionist who specializes in osteoporosis who recommended way more vitamin D than your average doctor understands to recommend. It took 3000 to 4000 IUs to get me up to optimum levels. Vitamin K2, silica, strontium, lactoferrin, are also recommended. Bringing progesterone levels up to normal is supposed to help, although now I'm beginning to hear otherwise. It's very complicated. If you have heavy metals poisoning, that's going to make it harder, too. Fosamax and Actonel can have really serious short- and long-term side effects. See:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_ui\ ds=12646685 & dopt=Abstract Also do a search on " Fosamax " in this group's archives. Ellen >I have Osteoporsis despite medical treatment... > > A recent 24 hour urine showed excessive Ca++ in the Urine on two > separate tests. My hair analysis shows deranged mineral transport with > a lot of Ca++ and Magnesium being thrown off in the hair. > > My question is does anyone know what I might try to hold on to the Ca++ > and Magnesium as I am becoming more Osteoporotic each year? > > I have tried Fosimax, Actonel, increased Ca++, Mag, Vit D, Boron, Vit C > and things I have forgotten to write down. > > What else can I do to put the Ca++ back into the bone? > > Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Yes, the informed nutrient and bio-identical hormone option- fused-- seems to do great. Schaller, MD Re: Osteoporosis question > Lee, > > I also have osteoporosis. Have you had your vitamin D levels checked by > the > vitamin D, 25-hydroxy test? It's a newer, more accurate one than the old > vitamin D test. Mine were at the bottom range of normal -- not at all > optimum. I consulted with a nutritionist who specializes in osteoporosis > who > recommended way more vitamin D than your average doctor understands to > recommend. It took 3000 to 4000 IUs to get me up to optimum levels. > Vitamin > K2, silica, strontium, lactoferrin, are also recommended. Bringing > progesterone levels up to normal is supposed to help, although now I'm > beginning to hear otherwise. It's very complicated. If you have heavy > metals > poisoning, that's going to make it harder, too. > > Fosamax and Actonel can have really serious short- and long-term side > effects. > > See:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_ui\ ds=12646685 & dopt=Abstract > > Also do a search on " Fosamax " in this group's archives. > > Ellen > > >>I have Osteoporsis despite medical treatment... >> >> A recent 24 hour urine showed excessive Ca++ in the Urine on two >> separate tests. My hair analysis shows deranged mineral transport with >> a lot of Ca++ and Magnesium being thrown off in the hair. >> >> My question is does anyone know what I might try to hold on to the Ca++ >> and Magnesium as I am becoming more Osteoporotic each year? >> >> I have tried Fosimax, Actonel, increased Ca++, Mag, Vit D, Boron, Vit C >> and things I have forgotten to write down. >> >> What else can I do to put the Ca++ back into the bone? >> >> Lee > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 I did have the vitamin D, 25-hydroxy test done. The Vit. D level was okay but I suppose it could raise it some. My progesterone was tested and it was okay too. I will print out your suggestions and see what else I can work on. I know that Fosamax and Actonel aren't a great idea but I really not sure what else to do. I have Actonel but have stopped taking it. Heavy Metals are thought to be a problem and I am working on those now with Cutler's protocol. Lee -- Re: Osteoporosis question Lee, I also have osteoporosis. Have you had your vitamin D levels checked by the vitamin D, 25-hydroxy test? It's a newer, more accurate one than the old vitamin D test. Mine were at the bottom range of normal -- not at all optimum. I consulted with a nutritionist who specializes in osteoporosis who recommended way more vitamin D than your average doctor understands to recommend. It took 3000 to 4000 IUs to get me up to optimum levels. Vitamin K2, silica, strontium, lactoferrin, are also recommended. Bringing Progesterone levels up to normal is supposed to help, although now I'm beginning to hear otherwise. It's very complicated. If you have heavy metals poisoning, that's going to make it harder, too. Fosamax and Actonel can have really serious short- and long-term side effects. See:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12646685 & dopt=Abstract Also do a search on " Fosamax " in this group's archives. Ellen >I have Osteoporsis despite medical treatment... > > A recent 24 hour urine showed excessive Ca++ in the Urine on two > separate tests. My hair analysis shows deranged mineral transport with > a lot of Ca++ and Magnesium being thrown off in the hair. > > My question is does anyone know what I might try to hold on to the Ca++ > and Magnesium as I am becoming more Osteoporotic each year? > > I have tried Fosimax, Actonel, increased Ca++, Mag, Vit D, Boron, Vit C > and things I have forgotten to write down. > > What else can I do to put the Ca++ back into the bone? > > Lee This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 I may have already posted this, but will say it again anyway. I have been on Ezorb for a year. If fingernails are any indication, I now have strong ones. Prior to this they would split and break right down to the quick. I'm due for my next test soon so will find out if my bones have benefited as well. This, without ingesting toxic substances that have horrendous side-effects. Ballady > I also have osteoporosis. Have you had your vitamin D levels checked by the > vitamin D, 25-hydroxy test? It's a newer, more accurate one than the old > vitamin D test. Mine were at the bottom range of normal -- not at all > optimum. I consulted with a nutritionist who specializes in osteoporosis who > recommended way more vitamin D than your average doctor understands to > recommend. It took 3000 to 4000 IUs to get me up to optimum levels. Vitamin > K2, silica, strontium, lactoferrin, are also recommended. Bringing > Progesterone levels up to normal is supposed to help, although now I'm > beginning to hear otherwise. It's very complicated. If you have heavy metals > poisoning, that's going to make it harder, too. > > Fosamax and Actonel can have really serious short- and long-term side > effects. > > See:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query > fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12646685 & dopt=Abstract > > Also do a search on " Fosamax " in this group's archives. > > Ellen > > > >I have Osteoporsis despite medical treatment... > > > > A recent 24 hour urine showed excessive Ca++ in the Urine on two > > separate tests. My hair analysis shows deranged mineral transport with > > a lot of Ca++ and Magnesium being thrown off in the hair. > > > > My question is does anyone know what I might try to hold on to the Ca++ > > and Magnesium as I am becoming more Osteoporotic each year? > > > > I have tried Fosimax, Actonel, increased Ca++, Mag, Vit D, Boron, Vit C > > and things I have forgotten to write down. > > > > What else can I do to put the Ca++ back into the bone? > > > > Lee > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Ballady, Last time you posted you didn't actually say you were using it; that makes a big difference! I asked around about it, but the product hasn't been around for a long time and nobody knew whether it actually did what the company said it did. For comparison's sake, were you taking any type of calcium before you started using Ezorb? How much have you been taking? Thanks, Ellen > > > I may have already posted this, but will say it again anyway. I have > been on Ezorb for a year. If fingernails are any indication, I now > have strong ones. Prior to this they would split and break right down > to the quick. I'm due for my next test soon so will find out if my > bones have benefited as well. This, without ingesting toxic substances > that have horrendous side-effects. > > Ballady > > > >> I also have osteoporosis. Have you had your vitamin D levels checked > by the >> vitamin D, 25-hydroxy test? It's a newer, more accurate one than the old >> vitamin D test. Mine were at the bottom range of normal -- not at all >> optimum. I consulted with a nutritionist who specializes in > osteoporosis who >> recommended way more vitamin D than your average doctor understands to >> recommend. It took 3000 to 4000 IUs to get me up to optimum levels. > Vitamin >> K2, silica, strontium, lactoferrin, are also recommended. Bringing >> Progesterone levels up to normal is supposed to help, although now I'm >> beginning to hear otherwise. It's very complicated. If you have > heavy metals >> poisoning, that's going to make it harder, too. >> >> Fosamax and Actonel can have really serious short- and long-term side >> effects. >> >> See:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query >> fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12646685 & dopt=Abstract >> >> Also do a search on " Fosamax " in this group's archives. >> >> Ellen >> >> >> >I have Osteoporsis despite medical treatment... >> > >> > A recent 24 hour urine showed excessive Ca++ in the Urine on two >> > separate tests. My hair analysis shows deranged mineral transport > with >> > a lot of Ca++ and Magnesium being thrown off in the hair. >> > >> > My question is does anyone know what I might try to hold on to the > Ca++ >> > and Magnesium as I am becoming more Osteoporotic each year? >> > >> > I have tried Fosimax, Actonel, increased Ca++, Mag, Vit D, Boron, > Vit C >> > and things I have forgotten to write down. >> > >> > What else can I do to put the Ca++ back into the bone? >> > >> > Lee >> >> >> >> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences > with each >> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any > treatment >> discussed here, please consult your doctor. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Some would call a progesterone of 3 " OK " and some 15 is the target and others 25. Free testosterone? Dr J www.personalconsult.com Re: Osteoporosis question > > Lee, > > I also have osteoporosis. Have you had your vitamin D levels checked by > the > vitamin D, 25-hydroxy test? It's a newer, more accurate one than the old > vitamin D test. Mine were at the bottom range of normal -- not at all > optimum. I consulted with a nutritionist who specializes in osteoporosis > who > recommended way more vitamin D than your average doctor understands to > recommend. It took 3000 to 4000 IUs to get me up to optimum levels. > Vitamin > K2, silica, strontium, lactoferrin, are also recommended. Bringing > Progesterone levels up to normal is supposed to help, although now I'm > beginning to hear otherwise. It's very complicated. If you have heavy > metals > poisoning, that's going to make it harder, too. > > Fosamax and Actonel can have really serious short- and long-term side > effects. > > See:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query > fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12646685 & dopt=Abstract > > Also do a search on " Fosamax " in this group's archives. > > Ellen > > >>I have Osteoporsis despite medical treatment... >> >> A recent 24 hour urine showed excessive Ca++ in the Urine on two >> separate tests. My hair analysis shows deranged mineral transport with >> a lot of Ca++ and Magnesium being thrown off in the hair. >> >> My question is does anyone know what I might try to hold on to the Ca++ >> and Magnesium as I am becoming more Osteoporotic each year? >> >> I have tried Fosimax, Actonel, increased Ca++, Mag, Vit D, Boron, Vit C >> and things I have forgotten to write down. >> >> What else can I do to put the Ca++ back into the bone? >> >> Lee > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Actually, I think I did indicate that I had been using it. Visit the Osteoporosis board at Healthboards.com and you will see that others have tried it with positive results. I tried lots of different kinds of calcium before Ezorb and my Dexa numbers were going higher and higher and my fingernails were getting weaker and weaker. I started Ezorb on their suggested dose for 3 months; that is, double dosing. Now I am on the maintenance dose. > > Ballady, > > Last time you posted you didn't actually say you were using it; that makes a > big difference! I asked around about it, but the product hasn't been around > for a long time and nobody knew whether it actually did what the company > said it did. For comparison's sake, were you taking any type of calcium > before you started using Ezorb? How much have you been taking? > > Thanks, > Ellen > > > > > > > > I may have already posted this, but will say it again anyway. I have > > been on Ezorb for a year. If fingernails are any indication, I now > > have strong ones. Prior to this they would split and break right down > > to the quick. I'm due for my next test soon so will find out if my > > bones have benefited as well. This, without ingesting toxic substances > > that have horrendous side-effects. > > > > Ballady > > > > > > > >> I also have osteoporosis. Have you had your vitamin D levels checked > > by the > >> vitamin D, 25-hydroxy test? It's a newer, more accurate one than the old > >> vitamin D test. Mine were at the bottom range of normal -- not at all > >> optimum. I consulted with a nutritionist who specializes in > > osteoporosis who > >> recommended way more vitamin D than your average doctor understands to > >> recommend. It took 3000 to 4000 IUs to get me up to optimum levels. > > Vitamin > >> K2, silica, strontium, lactoferrin, are also recommended. Bringing > >> Progesterone levels up to normal is supposed to help, although now I'm > >> beginning to hear otherwise. It's very complicated. If you have > > heavy metals > >> poisoning, that's going to make it harder, too. > >> > >> Fosamax and Actonel can have really serious short- and long-term side > >> effects. > >> > >> See:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query > >> fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12646685 & dopt=Abstract > >> > >> Also do a search on " Fosamax " in this group's archives. > >> > >> Ellen > >> > >> > >> >I have Osteoporsis despite medical treatment... > >> > > >> > A recent 24 hour urine showed excessive Ca++ in the Urine on two > >> > separate tests. My hair analysis shows deranged mineral transport > > with > >> > a lot of Ca++ and Magnesium being thrown off in the hair. > >> > > >> > My question is does anyone know what I might try to hold on to the > > Ca++ > >> > and Magnesium as I am becoming more Osteoporotic each year? > >> > > >> > I have tried Fosimax, Actonel, increased Ca++, Mag, Vit D, Boron, > > Vit C > >> > and things I have forgotten to write down. > >> > > >> > What else can I do to put the Ca++ back into the bone? > >> > > >> > Lee > >> > >> > >> > >> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences > > with each > >> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any > > treatment > >> discussed here, please consult your doctor. > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Thanks very much for this information. Please post the results from your next DEXA scan. Thanks, Ellen > Actually, I think I did indicate that I had been using it. Visit the > Osteoporosis board at Healthboards.com and you will see that others > have tried it with positive results. I tried lots of different kinds > of calcium before Ezorb and my Dexa numbers were going higher and > higher and my fingernails were getting weaker and weaker. I started > Ezorb on their suggested dose for 3 months; that is, double dosing. > Now I am on the maintenance dose. > > >> >> Ballady, >> >> Last time you posted you didn't actually say you were using it; that > makes a >> big difference! I asked around about it, but the product hasn't been > around >> for a long time and nobody knew whether it actually did what the > company >> said it did. For comparison's sake, were you taking any type of calcium >> before you started using Ezorb? How much have you been taking? >> >> Thanks, >> Ellen >> >> >> > >> > >> > I may have already posted this, but will say it again anyway. I have >> > been on Ezorb for a year. If fingernails are any indication, I now >> > have strong ones. Prior to this they would split and break right down >> > to the quick. I'm due for my next test soon so will find out if my >> > bones have benefited as well. This, without ingesting toxic substances >> > that have horrendous side-effects. >> > >> > Ballady >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 HI Lee, When you had your progesterone checked was it during days 18-21 of your cycle? Was it a blood test or saliva. JUst about every woman I know with thyroid disease has bone issues, including my mother-in-law who had a full hip replacement at 63, and she fell in the tub and totally shattered her shoulder also, which has left her unable to lift the arm higher than waist high. Also, gluten intolerance contributes to bone loss and many hypo folk are also gluten intolerant. > > > > I did have the vitamin D, 25-hydroxy test done. The Vit. D level was okay > but I suppose it could raise it some. My progesterone was tested and it > was okay too. I will print out your suggestions and see what else I can > work on. > > I know that Fosamax and Actonel aren't a great idea but I really not sure > what else to do. I have Actonel but have stopped taking it. > > Heavy Metals are thought to be a problem and I am working on those now with > Cutler's protocol. > > Lee > > -- Re: Osteoporosis question > > Lee, > > I also have osteoporosis. Have you had your vitamin D levels checked by the > vitamin D, 25-hydroxy test? It's a newer, more accurate one than the old > vitamin D test. Mine were at the bottom range of normal -- not at all > optimum. I consulted with a nutritionist who specializes in osteoporosis who > recommended way more vitamin D than your average doctor understands to > recommend. It took 3000 to 4000 IUs to get me up to optimum levels. Vitamin > K2, silica, strontium, lactoferrin, are also recommended. Bringing > Progesterone levels up to normal is supposed to help, although now I'm > beginning to hear otherwise. It's very complicated. If you have heavy metals > poisoning, that's going to make it harder, too. > > Fosamax and Actonel can have really serious short- and long-term side > effects. > > See:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query > fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12646685 & dopt=Abstract > > Also do a search on " Fosamax " in this group's archives. > > Ellen > > > >I have Osteoporsis despite medical treatment... > > > > A recent 24 hour urine showed excessive Ca++ in the Urine on two > > separate tests. My hair analysis shows deranged mineral transport with > > a lot of Ca++ and Magnesium being thrown off in the hair. > > > > My question is does anyone know what I might try to hold on to the Ca++ > > and Magnesium as I am becoming more Osteoporotic each year? > > > > I have tried Fosimax, Actonel, increased Ca++, Mag, Vit D, Boron, Vit C > > and things I have forgotten to write down. > > > > What else can I do to put the Ca++ back into the bone? > > > > Lee > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Understood about what is target. Most of my labs were posted today at 11:57 A.M., if you want to review them. Progesterone .32ng/mL, range 0.1-0.8 Free Test was one of the few things that was Lo .64ng/dl, range 0.07-5.1 But I just looked and this closer and the range was for PRE-menopause. I am post-menopause so maybe this is considered in range. Kaiser still thinks I am 48 and I am not. I am 55. Lee -- Re: Osteoporosis question Some would call a progesterone of 3 " OK " and some 15 is the target and others 25. Free testosterone? Dr J www.personalconsult.com Re: Osteoporosis question > > Lee, > > I also have osteoporosis. Have you had your vitamin D levels checked by > the > vitamin D, 25-hydroxy test? It's a newer, more accurate one than the old > vitamin D test. Mine were at the bottom range of normal -- not at all > optimum. I consulted with a nutritionist who specializes in osteoporosis > who > recommended way more vitamin D than your average doctor understands to > recommend. It took 3000 to 4000 IUs to get me up to optimum levels. > Vitamin > K2, silica, strontium, lactoferrin, are also recommended. Bringing > Progesterone levels up to normal is supposed to help, although now I'm > beginning to hear otherwise. It's very complicated. If you have heavy > metals > poisoning, that's going to make it harder, too. > > Fosamax and Actonel can have really serious short- and long-term side > effects. > > See:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query > fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12646685 & dopt=Abstract > > Also do a search on " Fosamax " in this group's archives. > > Ellen > > >>I have Osteoporsis despite medical treatment... >> >> A recent 24 hour urine showed excessive Ca++ in the Urine on two >> separate tests. My hair analysis shows deranged mineral transport with >> a lot of Ca++ and Magnesium being thrown off in the hair. >> >> My question is does anyone know what I might try to hold on to the Ca++ >> and Magnesium as I am becoming more Osteoporotic each year? >> >> I have tried Fosimax, Actonel, increased Ca++, Mag, Vit D, Boron, Vit C >> and things I have forgotten to write down. >> >> What else can I do to put the Ca++ back into the bone? >> >> Lee > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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