Re: Diabetes or Toxoplasmosis

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

You're confusing commonly known diabetes 1 & 2 for diabetes insipidus(DI). DI

has nothing to do with blood sugar levels and problems with insulin which is

what your doc, like everyone's does routinely, tested for in you.

You seem to have missed Dawn's noted positivity for the tilt table test, which

means she has some form of orthostatic intolerance(OI) and almost certain low

blood volume, both connected to DI. You may have unknowingly cleared up DI

in yourself by use of Chinese herbs.

Used in robust enough quantities over a long period, I think there is some

evidence that certain combinations of herbs, Chinese and/or Ayurvedic, leading

to reduced oxidative stress test levels. This does correlate to improved

glutathione status and consequent reduction of potentional active infections.

I just happen to like the direct, clear cut and easy to use product called

RenewPro to effectively provided glutathione precursors. It's what got rid of

my DI, OI and ME/CFS related hypothyroidism in one fell swoop this past year!

" Doyon " <prd34@...> wrote:

>

> Dawn,

>

> I had the same symptoms when I first got sick. I was drinking tons of

> water and other fluids all the time and pissing like crazy - about

> every ten minutes. I was tested for diabetes a number of times but it

> always came up negative.

>

> Finally, my doctor, Dr. Yayama, using his Zero Search machine said I

> had toxoplasmosis. I told him that I had already had a blood test for

> this and he responded that it doesn't always come up on the blood

> test. He said that most PWCs have toxoplasma and mycoplasma

> infections. After taking his Chinese medicine formula for infections

> the symptoms went completely away.

>

> peace,

>

> paul

> davidhall@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi, Dawn.

> >

> >

> >

> > I conquered ME/CFS related diabetes insipidus. Check out my post

> at message#90019 by punching in this number in the box above for this

> and hitting " GO " . I think it answers completely what you're asking

> of Rich here.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Dawn Munn " <dawnmunn@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rich,

> > >

> > > Is there a test available for diabetes insipidus? I am

> constantly thirsty (I drink about a gallon of water a day),

> constantly peeing, get dizzy, light headed and nauseated if I can't

> drink, have had a positive tilt table test... I am just wondering

> if this couldn't be a missing piece for me. Is there any recognized

> treatment for it?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the information. It also seems that DI can often be a

manifestation of toxoplasmosis (and other things like cytomegavirus):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed &

list_uids=10919191 & dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=9572376 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=8907349 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=7732347 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=2792124 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=6866497 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=5768600 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=13647541 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=13170815 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

Also, things like electromagnetic radiation affect blood flow as well

as lower resistance to infection so you might also want to look into

this factor.

Be well,

paul

> > > >

> > > > Rich,

> > > >

> > > > Is there a test available for diabetes insipidus? I am

> > constantly thirsty (I drink about a gallon of water a day),

> > constantly peeing, get dizzy, light headed and nauseated if I

can't

> > drink, have had a positive tilt table test... I am just

wondering

> > if this couldn't be a missing piece for me. Is there any

recognized

> > treatment for it?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Dawn

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn, my thirst went down considerably after I started i.v.

glutathione. I can now leave the house without carry water

with me and I no long feel panicked if I don't have

immediate access to water.

Hope this helps,

Kathy F.

> " Dawn Munn " <dawnmunn@> wrote:

>

> Rich,

>

> Is there a test available for diabetes insipidus? I am

> constantly thirsty (I drink about a gallon of water a

> day),

> constantly peeing, get dizzy, light headed and nauseated

> if I can't

> drink, have had a positive tilt table test... I am just

> wondering

> if this couldn't be a missing piece for me. Is there any

> recognized

> treatment for it?

>

> Thanks,

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Used in robust enough quantities over a long period, I think there is some

evidence that certain combinations of herbs, Chinese and/or Ayurvedic, leading

to reduced oxidative stress test levels. This does correlate to improved

glutathione status and consequent reduction of potentional active infections.

have you personally known any ? I'm wondering if somethign like that might

help me bypass the whey probs and other stuff not working for me and manage to

bring up the glut from some other 'method or direction'. I did get a liver

cleanse herb combo with Bupleurum, I had taken that earlier in my cfs years

(well, like 8 yrs into it) and seemed to help a little, but that was when I was

younger and still had more strength. I think just taking small doses a short

time has helped me feel al ittle better actually and help get through this week

from hell. altho during these times I know I pump and live on adrenaline and the

week after is likely to be another week from h.

I just happen to like the direct, clear cut and easy to use product called

RenewPro to effectively provided glutathione precursors. It's what got rid of

my DI, OI and ME/CFS related hypothyroidism in one fell swoop this past year!

Well, since I have a whole jar of the renewpro and 'renewed hope' I can tolerate

this whey prot (finally) and I'll take the bupleurum combo too, will see what

that does.

To confuse matters more, I had ordered some NT factor a couple weeks ago and

that came too, I dont' want to start too many new things at once, so prob won't

start that for a couple wks tho. ANybody here taking that? is it doing

anything? I prob can't afford to get it again anyway now, but I got 2 bottles of

it.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Hi Marcia,

I saw the RenewPro, but thought too expensive as I'm paying for the ProBoost.

So, on RenewPro it took a whole year to see results? I do a cheaper brand of

Whey and haven't noticed a difference. What's your experience.. Thanks!

Marcia <mgrahn@...> wrote:

Used in robust enough quantities over a long period, I think there is some

evidence that certain combinations of herbs, Chinese and/or Ayurvedic, leading

to reduced oxidative stress test levels. This does correlate to improved

glutathione status and consequent reduction of potentional active infections.

have you personally known any ? I'm wondering if somethign like that might

help me bypass the whey probs and other stuff not working for me and manage to

bring up the glut from some other 'method or direction'. I did get a liver

cleanse herb combo with Bupleurum, I had taken that earlier in my cfs years

(well, like 8 yrs into it) and seemed to help a little, but that was when I was

younger and still had more strength. I think just taking small doses a short

time has helped me feel al ittle better actually and help get through this week

from hell. altho during these times I know I pump and live on adrenaline and the

week after is likely to be another week from h.

I just happen to like the direct, clear cut and easy to use product called

RenewPro to effectively provided glutathione precursors. It's what got rid of

my DI, OI and ME/CFS related hypothyroidism in one fell swoop this past year!

Well, since I have a whole jar of the renewpro and 'renewed hope' I can tolerate

this whey prot (finally) and I'll take the bupleurum combo too, will see what

that does.

To confuse matters more, I had ordered some NT factor a couple weeks ago and

that came too, I dont' want to start too many new things at once, so prob won't

start that for a couple wks tho. ANybody here taking that? is it doing

anything? I prob can't afford to get it again anyway now, but I got 2 bottles of

it.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Hi Marcia,

I saw the RenewPro, but thought too expensive as I'm paying for the ProBoost.

So, on RenewPro it took a whole year to see results? I do a cheaper brand of

Whey and haven't noticed a difference. What's your experience.. Thanks!

Marcia <mgrahn@...> wrote:

Used in robust enough quantities over a long period, I think there is some

evidence that certain combinations of herbs, Chinese and/or Ayurvedic, leading

to reduced oxidative stress test levels. This does correlate to improved

glutathione status and consequent reduction of potentional active infections.

have you personally known any ? I'm wondering if somethign like that might

help me bypass the whey probs and other stuff not working for me and manage to

bring up the glut from some other 'method or direction'. I did get a liver

cleanse herb combo with Bupleurum, I had taken that earlier in my cfs years

(well, like 8 yrs into it) and seemed to help a little, but that was when I was

younger and still had more strength. I think just taking small doses a short

time has helped me feel al ittle better actually and help get through this week

from hell. altho during these times I know I pump and live on adrenaline and the

week after is likely to be another week from h.

I just happen to like the direct, clear cut and easy to use product called

RenewPro to effectively provided glutathione precursors. It's what got rid of

my DI, OI and ME/CFS related hypothyroidism in one fell swoop this past year!

Well, since I have a whole jar of the renewpro and 'renewed hope' I can tolerate

this whey prot (finally) and I'll take the bupleurum combo too, will see what

that does.

To confuse matters more, I had ordered some NT factor a couple weeks ago and

that came too, I dont' want to start too many new things at once, so prob won't

start that for a couple wks tho. ANybody here taking that? is it doing

anything? I prob can't afford to get it again anyway now, but I got 2 bottles of

it.

Marcia

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

That's strange, not a single one of the many pubmed addresses I clicked on that

you copied here brings up a reference to support your comments. Eitherway,

chronic infections, particularly ones that would be managed by cell mediated

immunity or the Th1 side of immune system can lower glutathione status, which in

a system that is already low in GSH, to begin, could contribute to getting DI.

As far as electromagnetic radiation contributing to ME/CFS symptomatology, I

don't have any personal experience, sensory or intuitive, that this is

relevant or true. I did explore this over ten years ago with a doc I was seeing

and despite alterations in environment to eliminate or reduce sources of this

radiation as well as having moved several times to locations with discernibly

different levels of exposure, I experienced no difference to my health

condition.

That said, I like many do prefer secluded environments closer to if not in

nature. Getting into cleaner air, more quiet away from city noise and other

forms of urban/suburban overstimulation, I think in general is good for health,

just not a panacea for my ME/CFS.

It " Doyon " <prd34@...> wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for the information. It also seems that DI can often be a

> manifestation of toxoplasmosis (and other things like cytomegavirus):

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed &

> list_uids=10919191 & dopt=Abstract

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

> dopt=Abstract & list_uids=9572376 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

> dopt=Abstract & list_uids=8907349 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

> dopt=Abstract & list_uids=7732347 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

> dopt=Abstract & list_uids=2792124 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

> dopt=Abstract & list_uids=6866497 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

> dopt=Abstract & list_uids=5768600 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

> dopt=Abstract & list_uids=13647541 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed &

> dopt=Abstract & list_uids=13170815 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

>

> Also, things like electromagnetic radiation affect blood flow as well

> as lower resistance to infection so you might also want to look into

> this factor.

>

> Be well,

>

> paul

> davidhall@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi, .

> >

> >

> >

> > You're confusing commonly known diabetes 1 & 2 for diabetes

> insipidus(DI). DI has nothing to do with blood sugar levels and

> problems with insulin which is what your doc, like everyone's does

> routinely, tested for in you.

> >

> >

> >

> > You seem to have missed Dawn's noted positivity for the tilt table

> test, which means she has some form of orthostatic intolerance(OI)

> and almost certain low blood volume, both connected to DI. You may

> have unknowingly cleared up DI

> > in yourself by use of Chinese herbs.

> >

> >

> >

> > Used in robust enough quantities over a long period, I think there

> is some evidence that certain combinations of herbs, Chinese and/or

> Ayurvedic, leading to reduced oxidative stress test levels. This

> does correlate to improved glutathione status and consequent

> reduction of potentional active infections.

> >

> >

> >

> > I just happen to like the direct, clear cut and easy to use product

> called RenewPro to effectively provided glutathione precursors. It's

> what got rid of my DI, OI and ME/CFS related hypothyroidism in one

> fell swoop this past year!

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Hi, .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You're confusing commonly known diabetes 1 & 2 for diabetes

> > insipidus(DI). DI has nothing to do with blood sugar levels and

> > problems with insulin which is what your doc, like everyone's

does

> > routinely, tested for in you.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You seem to have missed Dawn's noted positivity for the tilt

table

> > test, which means she has some form of orthostatic intolerance

(OI)

> > and almost certain low blood volume, both connected to DI. You

may

> > have unknowingly cleared up DI

> > > in yourself by use of Chinese herbs.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Used in robust enough quantities over a long period, I think

there

> > is some evidence that certain combinations of herbs, Chinese and/

or

> > Ayurvedic, leading to reduced oxidative stress test levels. This

> > does correlate to improved glutathione status and consequent

> > reduction of potentional active infections.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just happen to like the direct, clear cut and easy to use

product

> > called RenewPro to effectively provided glutathione precursors.

It's

> > what got rid of my DI, OI and ME/CFS related hypothyroidism in

one

> > fell swoop this past year!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

,

You may or may not be affected by the emfs, but there is also always

the possibility that you did not remove yourself enough from the

sources of EMFs/Microwaves to notice much of a difference. And there

is also the possibility that you were so mercury toxic that you

wouldn't have noticed a difference. If you look at the following map

- America is pretty much completely covered

http://www.cellular-news.com/coverage/usa.php

And from what I understand these maps have not kept up with the pace

of things. And then there is digital broadcasting, wi-fi, and the 3G

system, not to mention other sources of emfs like hair dryers,

refrigerators, computers, TVs, dimmer lights, etc..

I moved to a place that was both out of both cellular phone range and

television range - and immediately started to notice a dramatic

reduction in and/or elimination of symptoms.

The second most important factor in my recovery I believe to have

been intensive and extensive chelation using first a Chinese herbal

formula, but then adding oral ALA and DMSA, and finally adding ten

once-a-week treatments of IV EDTA to the protocol. So I would say you

are on the right track with the chelation.

Dr. Young states:

" When we are exposed to lower frequencies - ranging between 10 hertz

and 100 hertz - those particular frequencies have a tendency to

disturb cells significantly that they start disorganizing, breaking

apart, and giving birth to ... viruses, bacteria, yeasts, and molds. "

http://www.qlinkworld.co.uk/media/london.html

cheers,

paul

> As far as electromagnetic radiation contributing to ME/CFS

symptomatology, I don't have any personal experience, sensory or

intuitive, that this is

> relevant or true. I did explore this over ten years ago with a doc

I was seeing and despite alterations in environment to eliminate or

reduce sources of this radiation as well as having moved several

times to locations with discernibly different levels of exposure, I

experienced no difference to my health condition.

>

>

>

> That said, I like many do prefer secluded environments closer to if

not in nature. Getting into cleaner air, more quiet away from city

noise and other forms of urban/suburban overstimulation, I think in

general is good for health, just not a panacea for my ME/CFS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> It " Doyon " <prd34@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Thanks for the information. It also seems that DI can often be a

> > manifestation of toxoplasmosis (and other things like

cytomegavirus):

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=

PubMed &

> > list_uids=10919191 & dopt=Abstract

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=

pubmed &

> > dopt=Abstract & list_uids=9572376 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=

pubmed &

> > dopt=Abstract & list_uids=8907349 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=

pubmed &

> > dopt=Abstract & list_uids=7732347 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=

pubmed &

> > dopt=Abstract & list_uids=2792124 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=

pubmed &

> > dopt=Abstract & list_uids=6866497 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=

pubmed &

> > dopt=Abstract & list_uids=5768600 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=

pubmed &

> > dopt=Abstract & list_uids=13647541 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

> >

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=

pubmed &

> > dopt=Abstract & list_uids=13170815 & query_hl=2 & itool=pubmed_docsum

> >

> > Also, things like electromagnetic radiation affect blood flow as

well

> > as lower resistance to infection so you might also want to look

into

> > this factor.

> >

> > Be well,

> >

> > paul

> > davidhall@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi, .

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You're confusing commonly known diabetes 1 & 2 for diabetes

> > insipidus(DI). DI has nothing to do with blood sugar levels and

> > problems with insulin which is what your doc, like everyone's

does

> > routinely, tested for in you.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You seem to have missed Dawn's noted positivity for the tilt

table

> > test, which means she has some form of orthostatic intolerance

(OI)

> > and almost certain low blood volume, both connected to DI. You

may

> > have unknowingly cleared up DI

> > > in yourself by use of Chinese herbs.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Used in robust enough quantities over a long period, I think

there

> > is some evidence that certain combinations of herbs, Chinese and/

or

> > Ayurvedic, leading to reduced oxidative stress test levels. This

> > does correlate to improved glutathione status and consequent

> > reduction of potentional active infections.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I just happen to like the direct, clear cut and easy to use

product

> > called RenewPro to effectively provided glutathione precursors.

It's

> > what got rid of my DI, OI and ME/CFS related hypothyroidism in

one

> > fell swoop this past year!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

" Doyon " <prd34@...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> You may or may not be affected by the emfs, but there is also always

> the possibility that you did not remove yourself enough from the

> sources of EMFs/Microwaves to notice much of a difference.

***I certainly removed myself enough to match what you've desribed as having

removed yourself from EMFs that you attribute to your felt symptom improvement.

My experience of benefit is does not remotely match yours so it seems to me to

get past argument you would need to come up with a more quantifiable way for

people to duplicate what you did to see for themselves is you EMFs attribution

has any merit. I hope you know here are alternative explanations, such as

having one of the COMT gene variants to name one, for your experience of

improvement that are at least as equally as valid to your EMF attibution. Have

you had your had any of your gene variants tested such as can be done at

Genovations.com?

And there is also the possibility that you were so mercury toxic that you

wouldn't have noticed a difference.

***Lead, mercury and nickle stick out in urine challenge testing as well as

testing low for glutathione and testing positive for three gene variants

predisposing low glutatione status.

If you look at the following map.

- America is pretty much completely covered

>

> http://www.cellular-news.com/coverage/usa.php

***The problem with this is proof of relevance. I have two family members, one

a grandmother and another a great grandmother, whose health when alive echo my

health with ME/CFS. I think my great grandmother had literally the same exact

condition. They didn't get sick in the era of cell phones and great grandmom

got sick well before tv or any of the common electrical products around now.

And from what I understand these maps have not kept up with the pace

> of things. And then there is digital broadcasting, wi-fi, and the 3G

> system, not to mention other sources of emfs like hair dryers,

refrigerators, computers, TVs, dimmer lights, etc..

I moved to a place that was both out of both cellular phone range and

> television range - and immediately started to notice a dramatic

> reduction in and/or elimination of symptoms.

***Like I said, a COMT gene variant in your biochemistry, is as least as valid

as what you and some others are attributing to sources of EMFs.

The second most important factor in my recovery I believe to have been

intensive and extensive chelation using first a Chinese herbal formula, but then

adding oral ALA and DMSA, and finally adding ten once-a-week treatments of IV

EDTA to the protocol. So I would say you are on the right track with the

chelation.

***I would give high marks to use of DMSA and IV EDTA, not to forget IV DMPS

too. ALA is not too impressive to me nor are Chinese herbs traditionally, for

someone who has been as sick as me, except for a few new formulations I've heard

about that may help boost antioxidant levels. Protandim is an ayurvedic blend

that seems to have been scientifically proven to do this as well, producing

significant improvements in TBAR testing in people using this stuff compared to

controls.

> Dr. Young states:

>

> " When we are exposed to lower frequencies - ranging between 10 hertz

> and 100 hertz - those particular frequencies have a tendency to

> disturb cells significantly that they start disorganizing, breaking

> apart, and giving birth to ... viruses, bacteria, yeasts, and molds. "

***Do you have any published journal references for this. The ones from pubmed

you provided showed non of this.

http://www.qlinkworld.co.uk/media/london.html

***A well thought out swift debunking of the q-link product is made at this web

address:

http://www.randi.org/jr/091302.html

***Q-link comes across as pure bogus crap given the way they market the thing to

unsuspecting customers using modern scientific concepts that have already gained

traction to associate to this unproven and unprovable product.

It doesn't disprove the potential significance EMFs may or may not have on life

forms, but it gimmicks like this that can readily undermine credible research on

them from going forth.

<> _That's strange, not a single one of the many pubmed addresses I clicked

on that you copied here brings up a reference to support your comments._

***I saw the mistake I was making at pubmed and did finally pull them up and

read them. My bad!

<> , that's very strange that you did not see the following: " Diabetes

insipidus (DI) is uncommon and has been related to drugs and infections of the

central nervous system (toxoplasmosis, cryptococcic meningitis, cytomegalovirus

encephalitis). "

<> Eitherway, chronic infections, particularly ones that would be managed

by cell mediated immunity or the Th1 side of immune system can lower glutathione

status, which in a system that is already low in GSH, to begin, could contribute

to getting DI.

<> I agree with that statement completely and it is being shown that EMFs do

indeed affect cell-mediated immunity:

***Non of the references you provided below have any test results showing EMFs

impacting cell-mediated immunity, oxidative stress, glutathione status, etc.

what so ever. Given the confidence of your assertion that they do, did you

somehow miss listing the pubmed evidence you thought you had?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & ;

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=11549888 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_docsum

Some other research relating to immunity/endocrine system:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & ;

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=15804752 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & ;

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=10956232 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & ;

dopt=Abstract & list_uids=8986359 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_docsum

***There is no evidence in these as your suggest about EMFs. In fact, the one

from Stanford pretty much makes the argument that it is the functional status of

the organism that fundamentally determines the varied results that may be

produced by a stimilus such as EMFs, not the other way around. If I'm

interpreting it fairly, this doesn't seem to bode well for proving EMFs having a

causal impact towards bad health.

Cheers,

paul

[Guest guest]

OK, , you are absolutely right. I wish you the best of luck with

your recovery.

Be well,

paul

> >

> > ,

> >

> > You may or may not be affected by the emfs, but there is also

always

> > the possibility that you did not remove yourself enough from the

> > sources of EMFs/Microwaves to notice much of a difference.

>

>

>

> ***I certainly removed myself enough to match what you've desribed

as having removed yourself from EMFs that you attribute to your felt

symptom improvement. My experience of benefit is does not remotely

match yours so it seems to me to get past argument you would need to

come up with a more quantifiable way for people to duplicate what you

did to see for themselves is you EMFs attribution has any merit. I

hope you know here are alternative explanations, such as having one

of the COMT gene variants to name one, for your experience of

improvement that are at least as equally as valid to your EMF

attibution. Have you had your had any of your gene variants tested

such as can be done at Genovations.com?

>

>

>

> And there is also the possibility that you were so mercury toxic

that you

> wouldn't have noticed a difference.

>

>

>

> ***Lead, mercury and nickle stick out in urine challenge testing as

well as testing low for glutathione and testing positive for three

gene variants predisposing low glutatione status.

>

>

>

> If you look at the following map.

> - America is pretty much completely covered

> >

> > http://www.cellular-news.com/coverage/usa.php

>

>

>

> ***The problem with this is proof of relevance. I have two family

members, one a grandmother and another a great grandmother, whose

health when alive echo my health with ME/CFS. I think my great

grandmother had literally the same exact condition. They didn't get

sick in the era of cell phones and great grandmom got sick well

before tv or any of the common electrical products around now.

>

>

>

> And from what I understand these maps have not kept up with the

pace

> > of things. And then there is digital broadcasting, wi-fi, and the

3G

> > system, not to mention other sources of emfs like hair dryers,

> refrigerators, computers, TVs, dimmer lights, etc..

>

>

>

>

> I moved to a place that was both out of both cellular phone range

and

> > television range - and immediately started to notice a dramatic

> > reduction in and/or elimination of symptoms.

>

>

>

> ***Like I said, a COMT gene variant in your biochemistry, is as

least as valid as what you and some others are attributing to sources

of EMFs.

>

>

>

> The second most important factor in my recovery I believe to have

been intensive and extensive chelation using first a Chinese herbal

formula, but then adding oral ALA and DMSA, and finally adding ten

once-a-week treatments of IV EDTA to the protocol. So I would say you

are on the right track with the chelation.

>

>

>

> ***I would give high marks to use of DMSA and IV EDTA, not to

forget IV DMPS too. ALA is not too impressive to me nor are Chinese

herbs traditionally, for someone who has been as sick as me, except

for a few new formulations I've heard about that may help boost

antioxidant levels. Protandim is an ayurvedic blend that seems to

have been scientifically proven to do this as well, producing

significant improvements in TBAR testing in people using this stuff

compared to controls.

>

>

> > Dr. Young states:

> >

> > " When we are exposed to lower frequencies - ranging between 10

hertz

> > and 100 hertz - those particular frequencies have a tendency to

> > disturb cells significantly that they start disorganizing,

breaking

> > apart, and giving birth to ... viruses, bacteria, yeasts, and

molds. "

>

>

>

> ***Do you have any published journal references for this. The ones

from pubmed you provided showed non of this.

>

>

>

> http://www.qlinkworld.co.uk/media/london.html

>

>

>

> ***A well thought out swift debunking of the q-link product is made

at this web address:

>

>

>

> http://www.randi.org/jr/091302.html

>

>

>

> ***Q-link comes across as pure bogus crap given the way they market

the thing to unsuspecting customers using modern scientific concepts

that have already gained traction to associate to this unproven and

unprovable product.

> It doesn't disprove the potential significance EMFs may or may not

have on life forms, but it gimmicks like this that can readily

undermine credible research on them from going forth.

>

>

>

> <> _That's strange, not a single one of the many pubmed

addresses I clicked on that you copied here brings up a reference to

support your comments._

>

>

>

> ***I saw the mistake I was making at pubmed and did finally pull

them up and read them. My bad!

>

>

>

> <> , that's very strange that you did not see the

following: " Diabetes insipidus (DI) is uncommon and has been related

to drugs and infections of the central nervous system (toxoplasmosis,

cryptococcic meningitis, cytomegalovirus encephalitis). "

>

>

>

> <> Eitherway, chronic infections, particularly ones that would

be managed by cell mediated immunity or the Th1 side of immune system

can lower glutathione status, which in a system that is already low

in GSH, to begin, could contribute to getting DI.

>

>

>

> <> I agree with that statement completely and it is being shown

that EMFs do indeed affect cell-mediated immunity:

>

>

>

> ***Non of the references you provided below have any test results

showing EMFs impacting cell-mediated immunity, oxidative stress,

glutathione status, etc. what so ever. Given the confidence of your

assertion that they do, did you somehow miss listing the pubmed

evidence you thought you had?

>

>

>

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=

pubmed & ; dopt=Abstract & list_uids=11549888 & query_hl=3 & itool=

pubmed_docsum

> Some other research relating to immunity/endocrine system: http://

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & ; dopt=

Abstract & list_uids=15804752 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_docsum http://

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & ; dopt=

Abstract & list_uids=10956232 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_docsum http://

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & ; dopt=

Abstract & list_uids=8986359 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_docsum

>

>

>

> ***There is no evidence in these as your suggest about EMFs. In

fact, the one from Stanford pretty much makes the argument that it is

the functional status of the organism that fundamentally determines

the varied results that may be produced by a stimilus such as EMFs,

not the other way around. If I'm interpreting it fairly, this

doesn't seem to bode well for proving EMFs having a causal impact

towards bad health.

>

>

> Cheers,

>

>

>

> paul

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Since I live in the US, and as far as I know, we don't have the Zero Search

machine here, do you know if there is a conventional way to determine if I have

toxoplasmosis or mycoplasma? I would certainly be very interested in finding

out. Also, are you aware of any conventional treatments for these illnesses?

(While I am a big supporter of natural medicine, as long as I am lactating

and/or pregnant, I have to be really careful about anything that has not been

well tested).

Thanks,

Dawn

Dawn, > > I had the same symptoms when I first got sick. I was drinking tons of

> water and other fluids all the time and pissing like crazy - about > every ten

minutes. I was tested for diabetes a number of times but it > always came up

negative.> > Finally, my doctor, Dr. Yayama, using his Zero Search machine said

I > had toxoplasmosis. I told him that I had already had a blood test for > this

and he responded that it doesn't always come up on the blood > test. He said

that most PWCs have toxoplasma and mycoplasma > infections. After taking his

Chinese medicine formula for infections > the symptoms went completely away.> >

peace,> > paul

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Hi Dawn,

Yes, there are blood tests that you can do for these. For

toxoplasmosis, I think a regular hospital should be able to take care

of that - though it seems as if there are false negatives with this

test. For the mycoplasma there are some specialty labs that can do

this for you. Dr. Nicolson, who developed the PCR mycoplasma test,

recommends Medical Diagnostic Laboratories in New Jersey

http://www.mdlab.com

http://www.mdlab.com/fees & servs/serv-mycoplasma.html

The Dudleys have a page on Myco Testing at

http://www.shasta.com/cybermom/myco_testing.htm

One thing is that it is important to have your blood tested a soon as

possible after having it drawn.

If you are anywhere near New York, you might try Dr. Yurkovsky, who

uses bioresonace and homeopathy. I think what he is doing is close to

what Dr. Yayama is doing here in Japan. I know a woman in Irleand who

was sick for years with CFS, tried all kinds of expensive treatments

and finally found success with this healing modality. Apparently, Dr.

Yurkovsky developed his method after embarking on a search to cure

his son of Autism:

http://www.yurkovsky.com/

For mycoplasma, antibiotics is the conventional treatment.

Doxycylcine seems to be the one of choice. There are some other

recommended but I would stay away from the ones containing flouride

and I have heard some horror stories about these while other people

seem to be ok with them. I personally took Doxy for two months and

then switched to erythromycin, which Dr. Yayama recommended for the

following two months.

I finally brought in a product called Myco (by Raintree Nutrition)

for Dr. Yayama to test with his Zero Search machine and he said that

it was better than the antibiotics and that I should just continue

with that. Actually, Dr. Nicolson, also recommends this product.

Regarding, toxoplasmosis, it is a blood parasite, and from what I

have read one just has to let it take its course - which can be

anywhere from 6 months to a year if I remember correctly

Anyway, my theory is that if you can return your blood back to its

normal state by (1) getting out of the electrosmog, (2) chelating out

the metals, and (3) practicing Chigong, then you should be able to

increase your body's cellular immunity and thus your body will be

able to take care of the infections. Did you see the following photos

I posted earlier from a German study and how the blood changes when

exposed to microwaves:

http://www.buergerwelle.de/pdf/cluster.jpg

The first picture is of normal healthy blood, the second picture is

the blood drawn immediately after someone makes a 90 second cell

phone call, the third picture twenty minutes later, and the forth

forty minutes later.

The last two pictures are of the blood of a bystander standing 1.7

meters away with the first drawn during the phone call, and the

second drawn 20 minutes later.

Now if your blood looks like the above, you can bet that it will

become much more susceptible to all kinds of infections - which is

exactly what happens in CFS. There is a decrease in both white blood

cells and red blood cells - the same thing that happens in radiation

sickness - and since microwaves are a form of radiation...

Now, I have seen before and after pictures of people who have had

medical qigong treatments and you see the opposite thing happening.

Their blood goes from looking horrible and unhealthy to looking very

nice and healthy after the qigong treatment. There must be something

here that we just don't understand completely yet. In the following

video, without even having to really believe in whether the q-link

works or not - we can see what is happening to the blood of people

working around electrical equipment:

http://www.qlinkworld.co.uk/media/london.html

" The human body, like all living things, has its own electromagnetic

frequency. Cells in the brain, for example, communicate

electronically. But as technology progresses we surround ourselves

with more and more equipment which emit their own electromagnetic

frequencies - with the potential to interfere with our own. <Dr.

Young> 'When we are exposed to lower frequencies ranging between 10

hertz and 100 hertz, those particular frequencies have a tendency to

disturb cells significantly that they start disorganizing, breaking

apart, and giving birth to perceived viruses, bacteria, yeasts, and

molds.' "

Hope that helps.

Good luck with it all! If you keep clear and open, I am sure that you

will be able to lick this CFS.

Cheers,

paul doyon

>

> Hi ,

>

> Since I live in the US, and as far as I know, we don't have the

Zero Search machine here, do you know if there is a conventional way

to determine if I have toxoplasmosis or mycoplasma? I would

certainly be very interested in finding out. Also, are you aware of

any conventional treatments for these illnesses? (While I am a big

supporter of natural medicine, as long as I am lactating and/or

pregnant, I have to be really careful about anything that has not

been well tested).

>

> Thanks,

> Dawn

>

>

> Dawn, > > I had the same symptoms when I first got sick. I was

drinking tons of > water and other fluids all the time and pissing

like crazy - about > every ten minutes. I was tested for diabetes a

number of times but it > always came up negative.> > Finally, my

doctor, Dr. Yayama, using his Zero Search machine said I > had

toxoplasmosis. I told him that I had already had a blood test for >

this and he responded that it doesn't always come up on the blood >

test. He said that most PWCs have toxoplasma and mycoplasma >

infections. After taking his Chinese medicine formula for infections

> the symptoms went completely away.> > peace,> > paul

>

>

>

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http://www.diagnostechs.com/ do a saliva test for toxoplasma.